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Posted by: RhodyRanger Mar 30 2014, 03:20 PM

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Posted by: Johny Blackstain Mar 30 2014, 04:08 PM

The bumpers & the vinyl on the sail panels are correct for the 73 appearance group package. Not sure about the wheels. Lower rocker panels are aftermarket. Front turn signals are Euro, not US. Front lower spoiler is aftermarket & I'm not convinced that is the correct lower rear valance. The addition of those extra gauges in the center console, movement of the battery to the front, rear reflector installation should mean addition of an electric lock release & that giant horn button makes me wonder about the electrical system in this car. This car was originally fuel injected & has had the injection system replaced w/ carburetors, again making me wonder about the electrical system. The hell hole needs further inspection, as well as the longitudinal member directly underneath it. Also, the crest on the hood was added & did not come from the factory that way. Looks like the car might have been all or partially repainted. Overall the car looks OK from the photos you've provided, but more photos would be most helpful in getting a better estimate of what to offer.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Mar 30 2014, 05:26 PM

OK, let's take this car apart.
Number one - the wheels are bogus - not Fuchs
Number two - carbs. Fuel injection should be ther.
Number three - drivers door does not even come close to the painnt of tthe rest of the car.
Numer four - battery in wrong place!
Number five - agree with Blackstain criticisms.
Lots of tother problems here.
Walk away!

Posted by: dlkawashima Mar 30 2014, 07:20 PM

Yes, there just seems to be a lot of things that aren't factory original

1. The dash appears to be capped
2. Speedometer should be a silver button model
3. Temp Gauge appears to be from a '74-'76
4. Window Cranks should be thinner
5. Steering Wheel should be wrapped
6. The dash knob to the left of the horn button is not original
7. The shape of the center cushion does not appear to be original
8. Are the windshield washer nozzles black?
9. Wheel center caps are aftermarket

As for value, really a hard call. Rust will make a huge difference. It "feels" like a car in the $5K-$8K range, but again, really hard to say.

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Mar 30 2014, 08:55 PM

Posted by: orthobiz Mar 31 2014, 04:27 AM

Agree something odd about the center cushion, like it might not be hinged and the gauges were all added later because of the steering wheel not being wrapped. Wonder if it has a monotone horn? Should be two tone if appearance group from the factory.

Also, Euro turn signals were not original.

Lots of little things to nitpick, I agree. For me the "originality" deal breakers are the carbs, the center Porsche reflector (leaves lots of holes), moving the battery to the front and the extra holes in the dash. Would take a bit of work to "undo" those things. You can always buy another set of wheels and the lookalikes have some value.

This thread might have had a little more action in the Garage section of this website. As it stands, you did get an "earful!"

Paul

Posted by: orthobiz Mar 31 2014, 04:28 AM

Also, it looks like there's a third brake light. I'd be interested in a closeup of it...

Paul

Posted by: RhodyRanger Apr 2 2014, 07:54 AM

Thx for all the feedback. I hoped you could all "school" me and yes I feel schooled. I am going to upload the rest of the photos for your review, but I think I am going to pass especially since the seller wants 12k I think would buy it for 7k and make the easy period correct updates myself. thx for everything - rltw

Posted by: RhodyRanger Apr 2 2014, 08:33 AM

here is the first of several more photos for my continued "schooling". Thx in advance guys.

Posted by: RhodyRanger Apr 2 2014, 08:38 AM

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Posted by: RhodyRanger Apr 2 2014, 08:39 AM

and even more photos


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and even more again?


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Posted by: Johny Blackstain Apr 2 2014, 09:01 AM

Ya, I'd pass as well... $12k? No way. Best I'd offer is at the most 1/2 of that. Also suspicious of the trunks being painted black w/ that thick stuff.

Posted by: RhodyRanger Apr 4 2014, 07:45 AM

I think I would offer 8k tops. Obviously not sight unseen or without a local mechanics inspection for compression etc. thx for the feedback so far.

Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 4 2014, 08:38 AM

accessing the spare will be a pita. even just to check to see if it holds air. a bit more care could have been used when the front trunk was bombed. the pass side hellhole is weaker than it looks. ignition wiring is a mess. what function does the piece of flat steel in the lower left of the picture in #12 serve? visible fuel lines need to be rethought, at a minimum. you should look underneath the car. among other areas, the connection point where the lower rear fire wall meets the floor. if you go back for another look take an ice pick with you and invest 30 minutes probing for rust. @ $12k i would want to see the longitudinals behind the rocker covers. don't be blinded by shinny paint.

Posted by: bdstone914 Apr 12 2014, 05:51 PM

Two things I see that do not look right.
The engine compartment has the resister for a 1.8l Fi engine that was not available until 74. The gas tank has a plastic expansion tank and it should be steel with a charcoal canister filter on the drivers side. Did you check the engine code? Not a bad looking car but not highly original.
Bruce

Posted by: mepstein Apr 12 2014, 06:28 PM

To me, it's a $5-6K car. Check for rust or it will be an expensive car no matter what you get it for. The spray bombed trunks would turn me off. If it has carbs, chances are the engine will have issues or not be quite "right".

Posted by: orthobiz Apr 13 2014, 02:20 PM

I agree with mepstein.
Too many odd things done. 5 or 6 K tops.
Wonder if it's a member's car? Perhaps a rationale for
some of the changes...

Paul

Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 13 2014, 05:58 PM

Why, oh why, do people do that to the trunks? It's just plain ugly and huge red flag.

Posted by: mrgreenjeans May 20 2014, 11:34 AM

Its done to deceive and hide. Cover up everything cheaply so the bad stuff doesn't show. And in the process becomes equally bad in a different sort of way.

You guys are far more generous in evaluation than me.

I wouldn't be interested in it for even 4.000, but then I have been known to be a bit Scotch. Because I am......( in both spirit and nationality )

The things is, with the blight in both trunks, this car would never be something I would have an interest in. Factor in any hidden surprises that always come to the surface, and it is merely a shiny driver. Something to drive while the good one is preserved. Frankly, I would be a bit embarrassed to be seen even showing an interest in it, let alone driving it.

Sorry for being so blunt. In a way, it really kind of offends me, that so many hideous things have been done, it has now become registered as a bit "off the chart". The guys who created this monstrosity deserve some equal treatment.

Maybe a day at the Spa of Sh!t.....

Posted by: MikeInMunich Nov 22 2014, 01:00 PM

Sounds like expert feedback to me!

Posted by: SirAndy Nov 22 2014, 04:16 PM

Rear trunk floor has been replaced (or covered up) and if my eyes aren't failing me, i see pop-rivets in there!

Posted by: beech4rd Nov 29 2014, 05:38 PM

I think there is a line of pop rivets in the trunk. They're probably the attachments for the heat shield above the muffler. Does this car have two Targa tops- one red and shiny and a conventional black one?