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Posted by: DennisV Sep 14 2022, 03:06 PM

We have an original 914-6 engine, sans the fan shroud (aka upper air guide) and tin. Can someone educate me on fitment and availability? Is there a definitive fan shroud article or post? If so, I could not find it.

What I understand is correct would be a 911-106-901-00 Air Guide Upper Black. This appears to be shared with 1969-71 911T with carbs.

What we do have is a red shroud, which appears to be off of a 1977 911 Turbo. It has a couple cracks and some bolt holes broken open. I have no doubt it could be salvaged with some effort, but even then I am wondering if it would fit correctly. There’s a https://ww.early911sregistry.org/forums/showthread.php?107758-Color-code-fan-shroud, which suggests there are differences beside the color but doesn't go into much detail.


It seems like they are hard to come by. I did find https://www.ebay.com/itm/223984990561 that says it has been “modified”. It this my best current option? Does anyone recognize the modifications?


Of the after market vendors I found http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=86331&hl=#, it appears that http://series900.com may still be selling them. I am waiting to hear back from them. Does anyone have first hand experience with the quality and fit of their product compared to original?

Thank you.

Posted by: sixnotfour Sep 14 2022, 03:18 PM

blk one on Ebay is a year too early,,, but could work if you had the grey oil cooler duct wich the 914-6 Has.
Should look like this, But Blk .



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Posted by: brant Sep 14 2022, 03:28 PM

jeff,

doesn't your yellow example have the injector cut outs?

I don't know crap about the right one for a -6
but assumed it was probably not an injector cut out version.

they do show up from time to time on pelican for sale in the classifieds...
I haven't looked lately.. but bought a few over the years from there.
brant

Posted by: DennisV Sep 14 2022, 03:32 PM

That would be consistent with the https://ww.early911sregistry.org/forums/showthread.php?107758-Color-code-fan-shroud&p=783396&viewfull=1#post783396.


That's a good suggestion. I see one was up a few months ago, but without the grey oil cooler duct. Is that something that can be added on, or do you need to find one with it already attached?

Posted by: mb911 Sep 14 2022, 03:53 PM

I have a black on on my car currently. Wanted to go to amber at some point

Posted by: DennisV Sep 14 2022, 04:28 PM

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=2744

I think I see what you mean by this now. According the parts catalogs, 911-106-406-00 Air Guide for Oil Cooler was on:
* All 914-6
* 1972-89 911

Are we talking about the same thing? It looks like that part can still be bought from Porsche. Is it retrofittable to the older style main shroud?

The subtle distinctions on the 914-6 combined with 911 could drive a person mad!

Posted by: sixnotfour Sep 14 2022, 04:46 PM

yes yellow has mech injector holes ,,reason i didnt mention it ,,There is no blk with injector holes, and the Red 930 shroud has wrong shape intake also.. CIS

Posted by: sixnotfour Sep 14 2022, 04:52 PM

The short shroud, islate 72-89,
You need the long grey one..as my picture.

you could buy the blk early version find a green or yellow shroud that has the long grey oil cooler shroud and add it to the blk one

Posted by: Retroracer Sep 14 2022, 05:35 PM

Check out the two photos. The first is the shroud that would be correct for your 914-6, from my car. It should have the long grey oil cooler feed riveted on, no injector cut outs and black in color:



Mine has been subject to fire damage from a previous life and a "racers" repair executed to get it functional. Another one I have is from a later air cooled 911, showing the "shorter" grey snout on the oil cooler feed, and a large section of the duct now molded into the main "bump":



This is not correct if you're looking for originality.

Also note that there should be a curious inner cowl that fits around the alternator with some air directing vanes that help cool the LHS cylinder bank. Hopefully you have this already, if not it is worth sourcing one for even cooling to all cylinders.

- Tony

PS. Either of the above could be for sale, if needs be....

Posted by: sixnotfour Sep 14 2022, 06:02 PM

the second shroud is a 74 non S shroud , pretty rare ,,but where as doesnt have injector circles it has CIS port Configuration

Posted by: BillJ Sep 14 2022, 06:33 PM

Damon made me a brand new one that i am very pleased with fit wise. He also understands the variations year to year with the different ducting. He even can fabricate the inner ducting that helps divert air to the cylinders for proper cooling. He takes a minute to respond but is worth it. It will not be cheap

Posted by: brant Sep 14 2022, 08:38 PM

I went to look in the parts stash

I think 2 early? And 2 later

The amber is on the racecar

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Posted by: sixnotfour Sep 14 2022, 09:48 PM

the last red one of the Groupe can e modified to accept the Grey oil cooler duct....Holly Molly You have alot of red fan shrouds..

Posted by: oldie914 Sep 15 2022, 02:32 AM

I am fairly certain that the 914/6 fan shroud was the same as the 911T from 1970-71. I made a factory tour in 1971 and saw a 914/6 engine on the assembly line in the middle of all the 911 engines and there was no reason for a different shroud. The 914/6 I drove from 1970 until 1973 had a black shroud.
The early 911 engines had the long gray runner to the oil cooler. There was an improvement in the early 1970's with a removable piece to allow access to the oil cooler bolts without removing the shroud. I don't remember exactly when this happened.

Posted by: DennisV Sep 15 2022, 05:53 AM

Thanks everyone for the info.

Has anyone done a retrofit of the grey piece to a black shroud that didn't come with it?

I think I finally get it with the side-by-side photos. I wish Porsche made a distinction. In the PDF parts catalogs, it appears to me that they list the same 911-106-406-00 part number for all 914-6 and also the 1972-89 911. Clearly not the same!

Is this what I'm looking for? Photo courtesy eBay.

Posted by: DennisV Sep 15 2022, 06:03 AM

This is very cool! I think there should be a whole post detailing this experience.

Posted by: mlindner Sep 15 2022, 07:03 AM

I purchased a early shroud (carb holes). It was pretty bad shape, fiber glassed broken areas, then did a gel-coat over sanded glass and painted red for my 2.2 E with S pistons. Then added duck to oil cooler. Best, Mark

Posted by: johnhora Sep 15 2022, 10:51 AM

Same as a 911 2.2T carbureted

Posted by: DennisV Sep 15 2022, 12:14 PM

Sorry. I know this is getting beat to death, but it's quite confusing. Regarding:

There is the photo I posted above with what appears to be integrated curved pieces.

Today I found this photo (courtesy TheSamba) that is said to be from a 911 2.2 T, but with a metal flap at the edge. Different looking vanes. Which is correct, if either?

Posted by: johnhora Sep 15 2022, 02:23 PM

Stock Real 914-6 Shroud

Early 70s were parts changing years due to emissions and FI...lots of different styles

Posted by: Retroracer Sep 15 2022, 04:40 PM

Wow, more complicated than I thought; so here goes:

1) The extra vanes attached to the non-914/6 shroud (earlier post) are for a different model year shroud. The curved ones I was referring to are a separate piece which bolts around the alternator (which I think you are chasing down in a different thread)? ;-)

2) The Samba pic is correct for what you are looking for - that pic shows the rectangular cut out for the longer plastic duct; the bent metal flange at the end just locates the shroud and makes sure the directed air hits the oil cooler core. This is part of the shroud, NOT the alternator thingy referred to in 1) , above. If you buy a shroud, this 90deg bracket should be there present.

Feel free to DM me if you have further questions,

- Tony