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Posted by: Pat Garvey May 24 2006, 07:04 AM
Some discussion recently about the rocker panel/door sill rivets, indicated the white ones are NLA. I bought a large supply of these in the eraly 80's, because I remove the rockers every couple of years for cleaning & replace them because they seem to be good for one use only.
I have 4 left & need to do my removal/clean operation, so I obviously will have to change. I'm assuming that the factory replacement rivets are readily available, but color are they? Anyone get these recently? What's pricing like? Do they do a job equal to the orig's, or are they better (better, I hope)?
Posted by: sixerdon May 24 2006, 07:25 AM
Pat,
The translucent/clear ones seem to be the ones still available. I had to use them on one of my sixes when I was restoring it some 7 years ago. I think I bought them from Stoddard at the time. I still see them listed with Performance Products so I'm sure they are out there. I was pleased with the design to match up with original whites or blacks. It's just a neutral color that you'll have to deal with by dying or painting them. I have done neither on my six. Visually they look white at 1st glance, but they are not the original white.
I do not fully remove my rockers for that reason. I just remove the lower screws and pull back the panel without disturbing the rivets. If it's dry underneath, then you can use an air compressor to blow it out.
Don
Posted by: rdauenhauer May 29 2006, 02:13 PM
So the OE fasteners for the TOP of the rockers were those push pin plastic rivits in
White or black? How about a Pic?
Posted by: tod914 Jun 11 2006, 07:42 AM
I asked the owner of this car here if he wouldnt mind checking when he had the opportunity. http://www.sloancars.com/vs1/detail.asp?CarID=80
He said next time he goes to his warehouse he'll take a look for us.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 11 2006, 08:31 AM
I asked the owner of this car here if he wouldnt mind checking when he had the opportunity. http://www.sloancars.com/vs1/detail.asp?CarID=80
He said next time he goes to his warehouse he'll take a look for us.
Too bad about the chrome strips down the sides! Hope those are glued on, rather fitted with clips. Ruins a perfect car.
Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jun 11 2006, 11:59 AM
Hi Pat,
I am 99% sure those chrome side strips are glued on. They were on my 74 when I bought mine (dealer installed). They peeled off & just had to remove the sticky stuff with solvent. I still have them & available "free" to anyone who puts them on his 914 
.
Tom
Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jun 11 2006, 12:10 PM
BTW guys,
Here's a picture of black rivets for the rockers. I posted once before & here's another pic. They are a bugger to install because when you push the pin they have a tendency to bend. I believe the factory probably had a special tool to install. Don't know how many I damaged when installing mine with damaged ones thrown in the garbage can. I should have kept them. I believe I paid $1.25 each about (8) years ago. Now NLA. I have a few left if someone wants to use as samples to find replacements???? Pat???? or ????
Tom
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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 11 2006, 12:13 PM
I heard that these were available at NAPA auto parts. The black ones.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 11 2006, 12:16 PM
BTW guys,
Here's a picture of black rivets for the rockers. I posted once before & here's another pic. They are a bugger to install because when you push the pin they have a tendency to bend. I believe the factory probably had a special tool to install. Don't know how many I damaged when installing mine with damaged ones thrown in the garbage can. I should have kept them. I believe I paid $1.25 each about (8) years ago. Now NLA. I have a few left if someone wants to use as samples to find replacements???? Pat???? or ????
Tom
Tom,
I'd love to have one for a sample. Hope to find at least the transluscent ones, but will go with black if I need to. What do you suppose it would take for someone to repro these things?
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 11 2006, 12:18 PM
I heard that these were available at NAPA auto parts. The black ones.
I'll try to see if NAPA has them. By the way, I've always used a small drift pin to install mine & had no real problems - just slow & steady.
Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jun 11 2006, 12:24 PM
Jeff & Pat
I'll send both you guys a sample (East Coast & West Coast).
I have Jeff's address but need Pat's.
Pat, send me your address to my personal email tjbliznik@ameritech.net
Tom
Posted by: tod914 Jun 11 2006, 12:32 PM
Tom here's an earier thread on that car... Im under the impression they are riveted on. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=16987&hl=berber
probally a few more threads on it, that was the 1st one I came upon.
Regarding the black rivets at NAPA, I tried 2 years ago and was a no go. Maybe you'll have better luck.
Posted by: BS Chairman Jun 11 2006, 12:41 PM
I asked the owner of this car here if he wouldnt mind checking when he had the opportunity. http://www.sloancars.com/vs1/detail.asp?CarID=80
He said next time he goes to his warehouse he'll take a look for us.
Too bad about the chrome strips down the sides! Hope those are glued on, rather fitted with clips. Ruins a perfect car.
Pat,
The ones on my 75 were not glued but, pop rivet. When removed we spot welded the holes up and the job turn out like they were never there! I do have pics before and after if someone would like to see.
Gary
Posted by: tod914 Jun 11 2006, 12:43 PM
Just alittle spot paint in the area then Gary?
Posted by: BS Chairman Jun 11 2006, 12:51 PM
Just alittle spot paint in the area then Gary?
Nope, a hole repaint but there is more to the story and we can save that for another day when we want to talk fire and 914s!
Gary
Posted by: tod914 Jun 12 2006, 11:24 AM
I'll check with some plastic manufacturers and see if any of them have a match or can reproduce it. Maybe just the black being the clear are close enough to the white??
Posted by: dcheek Jun 12 2006, 01:48 PM
I had a discussion about the rivets on my 76 at the Danbury CT Zone One event last month. Sorry, I don't remember who I was talking too, but he noticed I had standard aluminum "pop" rivets. He asked me whether I had changed them and I told him it's been like that since I bought the car new. Is there anyone else out there with a 76 with the same thing?
Dave
Posted by: Jasfsmith Jun 12 2006, 02:27 PM
I had a discussion about the rivets on my 76 at the Danbury CT Zone One event last month. Sorry, I don't remember who I was talking too, but he noticed I had standard aluminum "pop" rivets. He asked me whether I had changed them and I told him it's been like that since I bought the car new. Is there anyone else out there with a 76 with the same thing?
Dave
How soon we forget.
What spurred my question was that the threshold piece has secured with the black plastic push pin, and the rocker with the aluminum rivet. I would have expected both to be the same.
Posted by: tod914 Jun 12 2006, 03:44 PM
Odd that Porsche would use white on a black rockers while using black on threshold plates. Thats way mine was anyway. early 75. Be interesting to note with production dates when some of these changes took place.. rivets, coil being moved to fan shroud, ECU moved to firewall etc.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 12 2006, 07:07 PM
Tom here's an earier thread on that car... Im under the impression they are riveted on. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=16987&hl=berber
probally a few more threads on it, that was the 1st one I came upon.
Regarding the black rivets at NAPA, I tried 2 years ago and was a no go. Maybe you'll have better luck.
Tried 2 NAPA stores today. Both pimple-faced guys had NO idea what I was talking about. Asked to talk to the manager, who was all of 20 - he didn't even know what a 914 is! I run into these problems all the time - is it just because I live outside Philly & these guys only know zoomy Hondas? Or is it because the 914 to them is like a '40 Ford was to me when I got my 914? Either way, write NAPA off on the east coast.
Posted by: GWN7 Jun 12 2006, 07:35 PM
I gave the picture of them to my son. He's going to ask the parts guys at work and see what they come up with.
Posted by: sixerdon Jun 12 2006, 08:06 PM
Late breaking news!
In my mini parts bin, I found a small package of push pin rivets I bought a few years ago at my local Auto Zone. When I first saw them in the store, I thought they were about the right size and they were (are) white! I bought a packet of 4 (cheap) to measure up to the real thing. They are close but not exactly the same.
The rounded head is slightly flatter than original.
Here's the info on the box;
on the front;
RIVET-TITE push rivet nylon .187 dia.
#47901 qty 4
on the back they indicate they are available in 4 different sizes; 3/32", 1/8", 5/32", 3/16"
(now the key)
MADE IN USA
BY MOTOMITE Mfg. Div of R&B, Inc.
P.O. Box 1800 Colmar, PA 18915-1800
copyright 1992
So who knows where this place is?? Who wants to initiate first contact?
Don
Posted by: GWN7 Jun 12 2006, 11:51 PM
It's 1/2 way between Philly and Allentown (Mapquest)
No phone numbers listed for either business name
Posted by: Part Pricer Jun 13 2006, 05:24 AM
The Motomite line of parts is now owned by Dorman. Here is a link to the rivets:
http://www.dormanproducts.com/cgi-bin/vm91corp30r/item-dtl.w?sid=0x001e0027&item=47901&clt=hwrap1&vsrch_str=47901&vsrch_brand=ALL&vsrch_cat=ALL&st_amount=&end_amount=&start=&vfrom=&prev=&vnext=&category_list=:0
Posted by: tod914 Jun 13 2006, 06:56 AM
I have a couple other sources I'll follow through on. I'll mail out the samples tomorrow and see if they can match them with something in their product line.
Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jun 13 2006, 06:59 AM
Hey, any of you guys who need a sample rivet contact me & I'll send you one.
Tom
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 13 2006, 03:14 PM
The Motomite line of parts is now owned by Dorman. Here is a link to the rivets:
http://www.dormanproducts.com/cgi-bin/vm91corp30r/item-dtl.w?sid=0x001e0027&item=47901&clt=hwrap1&vsrch_str=47901&vsrch_brand=ALL&vsrch_cat=ALL&st_amount=&end_amount=&start=&vfrom=&prev=&vnext=&category_list=:0
Little clarification here. Motormite is the house brand name for R&B Corp, of Colmar Pa. R&R bought Dorman in 1995. Long story short - I was Dorman's controller & that's how I wound up in Pa. My affiliation w/R&B lasted a few short months after the takeover & we parted ways with no love lost on either side.
I do still have many friends @ Dorman & I'll see what I find out. Regardless, R&B and Dorman are strictly packaging operations & do not manufacture. So, if those are still active parts they're probably made in the third world. By the way, Pep Boys also carries the line from R&B/Dorman so that's another posibility.
Can't believe all these posts about a stupid plastic rivet!
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 13 2006, 03:21 PM
It's 1/2 way between Philly and Allentown (Mapquest)
No phone numbers listed for either business name
It's bout 5 miles from me (R&B), but that place is not where the fasteners are packaged - they're packaged by Dorman Products in Warsaw, Ky. Anyone in that area? That's the place to get them. Forget Colmar.
Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jun 13 2006, 03:22 PM
Hi Guys,
I did a little more research on rivets. I stopped at my local Porsche dealer and special ordered (12) black rivets for my car. The dealer checked Porsche and said white are NLA, but the black ones part # P999-591-550-40 will be in next week. Paid .96 cents each. I'll let you know next week if they match the ones I have in my car.
Note: Dealer had some larger ones in stock, part # P999-507-499-40 @ .30 cents each so I took them at that price. Never know if they can be used in a pinch. Hey, Judge Gary is half blind anyway.
Summary: Looks like 914 original size rivets (black only) are still available from Porsche. White ones are the problem, so keep looking.
Tom
BTW: Here's a copy of my invoice for reference.
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Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jun 13 2006, 03:24 PM
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Posted by: Part Pricer Jun 13 2006, 04:34 PM
Stoddard has those in stock. $0.80 each.
http://stoddard.com/shop/shopsearch.asp?search=Yes&keyword=99959155040
Posted by: BS Chairman Jun 13 2006, 05:41 PM
Stoddard has those in stock. $0.80 each.
http://stoddard.com/shop/shopsearch.asp?search=Yes&keyword=99959155040
Part Pricer, By the time you add shipping say $4.50 USPM or more you might just go to a dealer and pick them up! Tell them that Stoddard has them $.80 and see why theirs is more. But if no Porsche dealer is in driving distance
, ship away.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 13 2006, 06:30 PM
better picture
Man those DO look big! Maybe not much diff when in place & they may even hold tighter. S'pose a halfay good judge would notice?
Posted by: tod914 Jun 13 2006, 07:03 PM
pricey little buggers, i thought the clear ones where fairly inexpensive. I'll follow through on aftermarket as well... white and black
Posted by: tod914 Jun 14 2006, 10:36 AM
The samples went out today to various vendors. I'll keep you all posted and see if they have a match.
Posted by: 914runnow Jun 14 2006, 06:18 PM
I had a discussion about the rivets on my 76 at the Danbury CT Zone One event last month. Sorry, I don't remember who I was talking too, but he noticed I had standard aluminum "pop" rivets. He asked me whether I had changed them and I told him it's been like that since I bought the car new. Is there anyone else out there with a 76 with the same thing?
Dave
Hmmmmmmm
Well pulled some rockers a while back on a friends Nov 75 car...And they were aluminum..BUT did not know if they were original...Looked as if they had NOT been drilled before..
Hmmmmm the mystery thickens....
They seemed to be pretty small and 'black'.....
Couldah been factory....
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 14 2006, 06:27 PM
I was wondering how long it would take for this to come up. Seems there are differentt definitions of what the 'rockers' are. Rockers...what an undescriptive name.
There are the 'side valences', the long black exterior metal trim panels under the doors that need periodic cleaning. I cannot for the life of me understand why these are called rockers...somebody help me out and tell me. the side velences are attached with aluminum rivets and screws from beneath.
Then there are the 'threshold plates' or 'door sill plates' at the door opening sill, bright aluminum in the early cars, black plastic on the later cars. These were installed with the plastic rivets.
Posted by: sixerdon Jun 15 2006, 08:30 PM
I had a discussion about the rivets on my 76 at the Danbury CT Zone One event last month. Sorry, I don't remember who I was talking too, but he noticed I had standard aluminum "pop" rivets. He asked me whether I had changed them and I told him it's been like that since I bought the car new. Is there anyone else out there with a 76 with the same thing?
Dave
Hmmmmmmm
Well pulled some rockers a while back on a friends Nov 75 car...And they were aluminum..BUT did not know if they were original...Looked as if they had NOT been drilled before..
Hmmmmm the mystery thickens....
They seemed to be pretty small and 'black'.....
Couldah been factory....
I also have a '75 (11/74) with the black aluminum rivets on the rockers. Unmolested car. At some point between '74 and '75 the factory made a change from plastic to aluminum. My '74 parts manual still calls for the plastic ones. Now we need some unmolested '74 owners to step forward.
Don
Posted by: sixerdon Jun 15 2006, 08:50 PM
I was wondering how long it would take for this to come up. Seems there are differentt definitions of what the 'rockers' are. Rockers...what an undescriptive name.
There are the 'side valences', the long black exterior metal trim panels under the doors that need periodic cleaning. I cannot for the life of me understand why these are called rockers...somebody help me out and tell me. the side velences are attached with aluminum rivets and screws from beneath.
Then there are the 'threshold plates' or 'door sill plates' at the door opening sill, bright aluminum in the early cars, black plastic on the later cars. These were installed with the plastic rivets.
Well Jeff, you are the first one I've heard using the term "side valance". The term "front and rear valance" is used all the time. Rockers is just a short for rocker panel or rocker cover. No big deal. It's in all the books I've read. Been around since '69. P. Paternie uses the phrase in his book as well as numerous articles I've read over the years. Or, we can always call it what the factory called them. "Outer covering for longitudinal member".
Also, not all were attached with aluminum rivets along the top as you state. Only the later ones as we are discussing. The early cars had white plastic rivets (NLA) for the first several years. Check out Johnson's book which is consistant with my cars.
Don
Posted by: rdauenhauer Jun 15 2006, 09:33 PM
so now im confused,
the black plastic rifvits are for the threshold plates only ?
and standard alum pop rivets were OE to secure the the tops
of the rockers
I can only recall ever seeing the Alum rivits but just assumed that
they had been replaced at suome time.
Jeff what about on the LE's?
Posted by: sixerdon Jun 16 2006, 06:03 AM
so now im confused,
the black plastic rifvits are for the threshold plates only ?
and standard alum pop rivets were OE to secure the the tops
of the rockers
I can only recall ever seeing the Alum rivits but just assumed that
they had been replaced at suome time.
Jeff what about on the LE's?
Rich,
Black plastic rivets for black threshold plates only. (If that's what your car has)
We are trying to determine when plastic rivets were changed to aluminmum "pop" rivets on the rocker panels. Maybe an unmolested '74 LE could provide an answer.
Don
Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jun 16 2006, 02:11 PM
This is getting very interesting ![popcorn[1].gif](style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
Today I picked up the rivets ordered from the Porsche dealer. I expected them to be black, but they are clear. Now what?? How do we judge rivets now that Porsche only supply's clear????
Tom
BTW: We are becoming the new 356 crowd.
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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 16 2006, 02:29 PM
Here are my 100% original 74 Bumblebee rivets, the day I picked it up. Black plastic on the threshold plate, aluminum for the side valence. I bought it from the son of the original owner, he confirmed that the side valences had never been removed until I removed them to inspect the car before purchase. The car was from dry SoCal and the longs are pristine...whew...!
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Posted by: tod914 Jun 16 2006, 02:30 PM
I went through this 3 years ago. I was told by a Porsche Parts personnel that black is NLA and was superceeded by clear. I was surprised to hear that there "were" black in stock @ .80 per. It was suggested to me that dying the clear ones might be an option. I'll see how they turn out with a permanent ink marker if the vendors fail to come up with a match.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 16 2006, 03:45 PM
Well now, ain't this a fine kettle of fish? (my grandmother's saying, not mine - but suits the meaning). We now have a plethora of potential rivets!
By my recollection, so far:
a) white plastic
black plastic
c) opaque plastic
d) clear plastic
e) natural aluminum
f) black aluminum
I wish my parts manual went beyond 73. Anyone have a more usable revision level? Might help if someone had a revision through the end of production.
I think we can safely assume that these parts, for the thresholds and "side valences" (I like that term) were plastic through at least 73, maybe into 74. Then came the dawn of aluminum, which makes better sense for the "side valences" only - valences remained plastic, though black. I've noticed the aluminum rivets on some 75/6 cars at concours events but (not knowing they were supposed to be aluminum) never deducted for them because they were on topside-only cars & the competition wasn't that heavy that that level of scrutiny was necessary - glad I didn't!
What we need badly is to know just when the transition from plastic to metal took place.
From a hardcore standpoint, does it really matter what color the plastic is, so long as it's a Porsche replacement part? If I were to put the clear rivets on my 72 (assuming I changed ALL of them to clear), should I be gigged? They are an authorized replacement part, and surely a better part by virtue of their more recent manufacture. Sure, I'd rather stay with white, but unless someone has a stockpile of them & wants to let some go, I have no choice. True, I could leave my "side valences" alone for now, but sooner or later they'll need to come off for cleaning.
That said, Nomex on - let the flames begin!
Posted by: sixerdon Jun 16 2006, 07:46 PM
I went through this 3 years ago. I was told by a Porsche Parts personnel that black is NLA and was superceeded by clear. I was surprised to hear that there "were" black in stock @ .80 per. It was suggested to me that dying the clear ones might be an option. I'll see how they turn out with a permanent ink marker if the vendors fail to come up with a match.
I'm with Tod. That was my experience 8 years ago doing my resto. After install, The rivets look like white anyway.
Jeff has the best info on an original LE for '74 even if my '74 parts manual says "plastic rivets" on the rocker panels.
And I agree with you Pat that I wouldn't gig any car with the latest Porsche replacement part.
I'm satisfied with the findings. Confirms my suspicions for many years. The '74 was the change over year.
Don
Posted by: tod914 Jun 20 2006, 06:55 PM
Should have some samples in white and black by next week.
Posted by: McMark Jun 24 2006, 02:05 AM
McMaster car lists http://www.mcmaster.com/ctlg/DisplCtlgPage.asp?ReqTyp=CATALOG&CtlgPgNbr=3152&RelatedCtlgPgs=3153,3152,3167&term=Plastic+Rivets&sesnextrep=501021966160963&ScreenWidth=1024&McMMainWidth=766&ToolsetID=ToolMultiPageNav&ToolsetAct=. Inch sizes only, but might be worth a shot to order a few. They also list a tool to install them, but no picture of it.
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 24 2006, 08:27 AM
Here are two rivets I found that might be good matches:
http://www.kent-automotive.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/KentHome?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001
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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 24 2006, 09:06 AM
And how about these from Skiffy...
http://www.skiffy.com/docs/menufr.cfm?ID=xyxz852720A8&taal=gb&pagina=imgindex2.cfm&img_id=12
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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 24 2006, 09:08 AM
And these:
http://www.plasticsfasteners.com/PolyDriveRivets.html
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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 24 2006, 09:24 AM
These available in Black...
http://www.efc-panelfasteners.com/productspec.asp?63,219,03706
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Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 24 2006, 04:37 PM
These available in Black...
http://www.efc-panelfasteners.com/productspec.asp?63,219,03706
Boy, you did your homework!
I see LOTS of possibilities with ALL the info provided. Wish we had dimensional info for some of them, but the last on (efc) seems to be the best & has the best info. Did you by any chance request samples?
I don't know how important this is, but the number of prongs should be 4. However, there's no judge in the world that could tell if the number of prongs was wrong, nor would he probably care.
Cool stuff - think I'll try to order from EFC.
Posted by: tod914 Jun 24 2006, 05:18 PM
I doubt you'll find a prong match. The problem I have found with most of the manufacturers,are the heads are the wrong circumferance or too flat. Jeff, could you send in a sample for them to match to?
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 24 2006, 10:04 PM
Tom sent me a sample and I need to measure it and I will probably order samples next week.
Posted by: tod914 Jun 26 2006, 09:05 PM
Jeff that kt12317 looks like a perfect match.. it's just a matter of sizing. Im still waiting on my samples to show up. I'll post all the info once I get them and see how well they match.
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 26 2006, 09:45 PM
Cool Tod. I ordered some samples from EFS in black and natural (nylon). Fingers crossed. They have a $100 minimum order though....
Posted by: tod914 Jun 27 2006, 06:02 PM
Ok guys I got a perfect match for the black. The white ones she sent are semi translucent white (midway between the Porsche clear and Porsche nla white ones ). So, I asked her to see if they have pure white or whats involved in a production run of pure white (costs & quanity). I'm waiting on pricing from her. Maybe a bulk buy would be a better rate for us, and I can compile 1 order and then mail them out. Let's see what she says. I will call her tomorrow.
Posted by: sixerdon Jun 27 2006, 06:11 PM
That's great Tod! If you are successful in getting a bulk buy, count me in to purchase enough white ones for 3 cars. I'll keep watching this thread.
Don
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 27 2006, 06:23 PM
Ok guys I got a perfect match for the black. The white ones she sent are semi translucent white (midway between the Porsche clear and Porsche nla white ones ). So, I asked her to see if they have pure white or whats involved in a production run of pure white (costs & quanity). I'm waiting on pricing from her. Maybe a bulk buy would be a better rate for us, and I can compile 1 order and then mail them out. Let's see what she says. I will call her tomorrow.
Tod,
I'm in for a hundred black, though I'd prefer white. At least the black can't be blinked at.
Yeah, I mean a hundred - don't ever want to have to fool with this again. But I'll still wait to see about the white ones. Lemmee know.
Pat
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 27 2006, 07:08 PM
Which supplier was the winner Tod? Pat maybe you could start an admin-only list of aftermarket replacement parts/suppliers for NLA parts? No random posting allowed, it would be just for reference.
Posted by: tod914 Jun 27 2006, 07:58 PM
http://www.product-components.com/rivets_nails.html
B14002 nylon blind drive rivet. POC is Mary.
Posted by: GWN7 Jun 27 2006, 09:44 PM
anouther possible source
http://www.bondo-online.com/catalog_item.asp?itemNbr=541
Posted by: Jasfsmith Jun 28 2006, 07:09 AM
Ok guys I got a perfect match for the black. The white ones she sent are semi translucent white (midway between the Porsche clear and Porsche nla white ones ). So, I asked her to see if they have pure white or whats involved in a production run of pure white (costs & quanity). I'm waiting on pricing from her. Maybe a bulk buy would be a better rate for us, and I can compile 1 order and then mail them out. Let's see what she says. I will call her tomorrow.
Put me down for three sets of white ones.
Posted by: spunone Jun 28 2006, 07:33 AM
Guys ever tried a company called Micro Plastics inc. There in ArK and manufacture alot of what your looking for
Posted by: tod914 Jun 28 2006, 08:59 AM
Guys ever tried a company called Micro Plastics inc. There in ArK and manufacture alot of what your looking for
I tried them 2 years ago... nogo at the time.
Posted by: tod914 Jun 28 2006, 09:20 AM
Here's pictures of oem with the samples, think this is as good as it gets. Priceing and quanity info still pending. 24 black and 12 white required.
Posted by: tod914 Jun 28 2006, 09:37 AM
I just spoke with Mary, she is looking into having the white ones produced and will get back to us hopefully by the end of the week with pricing. We can do a bulk purchase and divey them out or individual. She said either way is fine.
Posted by: tod914 Jun 28 2006, 10:50 AM
I tried putting a few in.. the prongs are slightly thicker than the OEM ones. What I had to do was cut off one prong with a razor blade for it to work. Visually from the pov of the round head, they are indistinguishable. They go in easier with just 2 prongs remaining and seem to be very secure. Seems worth the xtra effort to get the right color. I have a new founded respect for the rivet man at the Karman plant.. man even the OEM ones are pia. Thats the scoup.
Posted by: michaelmoo Jun 29 2006, 07:55 AM
I'll take a set in white and black!!!!!!
Thanks!! Mike
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 12 2006, 04:17 PM
I just spoke with Mary, she is looking into having the white ones produced and will get back to us hopefully by the end of the week with pricing. We can do a bulk purchase and divey them out or individual. She said either way is fine.
Hey Tod,
Any pdates on the rivet front?
Posted by: tod914 Jul 12 2006, 04:42 PM
Hey Pat yah sorry been side tracked... they can not do white. They just have the bone colored ones and black ones. She just got back to me 2 days ago. 14,000 left in their inventory. I was going to buy a bunch in black and some in bone color until a better substitute is found for the white. The issue with these are, 1 or 2 of the prongs in the back need to be cut off for them to fit. Not a big deal really, but just something you should be aware of. The round heads are exact to the factory ones. Im going to check a couple other places cause I really want the white, but will be buying a bunch from her in both colors just incase (mostly black).
Posted by: tod914 Jul 12 2006, 05:00 PM
with the white ones on the rockers, i plan on shortening the pegs and prongs. my intent is to just have the rivets on the outer rocker and not attatch into the body so removal of the outer rocker is easy without haveing to replace them each time i want the rockers off for cleaning.
hows that for a run on sentence lol
Posted by: rdauenhauer Jul 13 2006, 12:11 AM
I need a bunch of Black!
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jul 13 2006, 01:33 PM
My samples for the black rivets from EFC turned out to be the incorrect size...too large, not close enough.
Posted by: tod914 Jul 13 2006, 05:43 PM
I'll put in an order for 1000 rivets first thing tomorrow morning; 640 in black and 360 in bone. This will make up 20 kits of which 18 will be for sale. Each kit will have 32 black and 18 bone for a total of 50 per kit. Required are 24 and 12 respectively. Oem costs are .80 cents each for a total of $28.80 for 36 clear rivets. Keep in mind, althought the heads are a perfect match, one or two prongs might have to be razored/cut off for it to fit being they are slightly thicker. Hence the xtras. Likely priceing will be around $6 a kit. I'll know better once I get the shipping costs and final priceing tomorrow.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 13 2006, 05:51 PM
I'll put in an order for 1000 rivets first thing tomorrow morning; 640 in black and 360 in bone. This will make up 20 kits of which 18 will be for sale. Each kit will have 32 black and 18 bone for a total of 50 per kit. Required are 24 and 12 respectively. Oem costs are .80 cents each for a total of $28.80 for 36 clear rivets. Keep in mind, althought the heads are a perfect match, one or two prongs might have to be razored/cut off for it to fit being they are slightly thicker. Hence the xtras. Likely priceing will be around $6 a kit. I'll know better once I get the shipping costs and final priceing tomorrow.
I'm in, for whatever I can get!
Good work Tod!!!!!!!!! Thanks for hangin in. Guarantee you won't be left holding the bag for extras.
Pat
Posted by: tod914 Jul 14 2006, 01:12 PM
Ok the order has been placed. I should have them late next week for those interested. Will be $6 per kit which includes shipping. PM me if your interested for payment/mailing info.
Thanks for you interest
Posted by: tod914 Jul 16 2006, 07:01 PM
Hey all, just wanted to point out that the kits I'm making up are for 73 1/2 + model year cars where the thresholds are black plastic. According to Dr. Johnson, pg. 78 in his restorers guide to authenticty, the model years prior would be all white rivets (aluminun thresholds and outer rocker panels). Once these sell if there is more interest I can do 70-73 1/2 year kits.
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jul 17 2006, 02:52 PM
Every 74-76 car I have seen has the black rivets for the black plastic threshold plates, including an early 1974 car VIN 1465 (Aug 1974), which has several 1973 model year features. Was it the earlier years that had the white rivets?
Hey all, just wanted to point out that the kits I'm making up are for 73 1/2 + model year cars where the thresholds are black plastic. According to Dr. Johnson, pg. 78 in his restorers guide to authenticty, the model years prior would be all white rivets (aluminun thresholds and outer rocker panels). Once these sell if there is more interest I can do 70-73 1/2 year kits.
Posted by: lapuwali Jul 17 2006, 04:20 PM
My '71 has white rivets holding on the sill plates, phillips screws holding on the "carpet plate" (the inner plate that covers the carpet edge). I can't remember what's holding on the rockers/valences, I'll have to check when I get home.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 17 2006, 07:01 PM
Which supplier was the winner Tod? Pat maybe you could start an admin-only list of aftermarket replacement parts/suppliers for NLA parts? No random posting allowed, it would be just for reference.
Jeff,
Sounds like a decent idea. When (and/if) I get over the admin problems with this forum I'll set something up.
Pat
Posted by: tod914 Jul 25 2006, 06:33 PM
Rivets came in guys.. place your orders
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 25 2006, 07:32 PM
Rivets came in guys.. place your orders
Hey Tod - excellent!
Let me know what I can have in the bone color - don't want to be a hog, but I'll take as many as you want to give me.
Thanks for hanging in there on this!
Pat
Posted by: tod914 Jul 25 2006, 07:35 PM
Rivets came in guys.. place your orders
Hey Tod - excellent!
Let me know what I can have in the bone color - don't want to be a hog, but I'll take as many as you want to give me.
Thanks for hanging in there on this!
Pat
I added the 100 bone you wanted to the order as per your request. Did you want a black & bone kit too, or will the 100 bone suffice? I'm going to make up 18 of the kits for anyone interested.. 1 shot deal buying these things for me... figured Id keep 2 kits and be good to go.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 25 2006, 07:56 PM
Rivets came in guys.. place your orders
Hey Tod - excellent!
Let me know what I can have in the bone color - don't want to be a hog, but I'll take as many as you want to give me.
Thanks for hanging in there on this!
Pat
I added the 100 bone you wanted to the order as per your request. Did you want a black & bone kit too, or will the 100 bone suffice? I'm going to make up 18 of the kits for anyone interested.. 1 shot deal buying these things for me... figured Id keep 2 kits and be good to go.
Good idea! Better to have a black kit, just in case. Yeah, add one to 100 bones & let me know what I owe. Zip code 19422.
Pat
Posted by: tod914 Jul 30 2006, 09:41 AM
Install instructions here...
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=57428
Posted by: tod914 Aug 3 2006, 10:29 AM
For those interested they are 10 cents per rivet plus $1 shipping per order. Click the link in my signature for details.
Posted by: sixerdon Aug 4 2006, 07:33 AM
Thanks Tod,
Mine arrived yesterday. I think they are a very good facsimile of the original. They look to be the same design as the ones sold by Stoddard that I bought 8 years ago. The bone colored ones are better looking than the clear/translucent ones. I'll compare them closer this weekend with the original ones on my '70.
Don
Posted by: rdauenhauer Aug 5 2006, 11:42 PM
I got mine as well thanks.
installed on threshold on the LE just to test them out ...
WHAT A BYATCH!!
They are tought to install unless you remove one of the prongs.
you really need some sort of small cylinder/plunger tool with a conical cutout to position the rivit.
But I got'er done. Looks good!
I dont need the Bone though just the black.
Posted by: tod914 Aug 6 2006, 07:07 AM
Abit tight, but with one prong removed I didn't have much trouble. I used the back of an ink pen to push the pin in.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Aug 6 2006, 05:54 PM
I got mine as well thanks.
installed on threshold on the LE just to test them out ...
WHAT A BYATCH!!
They are tought to install unless you remove one of the prongs.
you really need some sort of small cylinder/plunger tool with a conical cutout to position the rivit.
But I got'er done. Looks good!
I dont need the Bone though just the black.
Pic's?
Posted by: Pat Garvey Aug 6 2006, 05:57 PM
Abit tight, but with one prong removed I didn't have much trouble. I used the back of an ink pen to push the pin in.
"back of an ink pen" ? Show us how it works, please?
tried my usual method of a drift pin, but destoyed 2 of them (that's why I bought a hundred!). Pic's of your method, Tod?
Posted by: tod914 Aug 7 2006, 09:05 AM
Pat did you slice off one of the prongs at the base of the head before you tried? I managed to get them in with 4, but removeing one prong is the easier solution. I didn't have that much difficulty installing them. The pen type I used was a Paper Mate white plastic pen you find just about any where. The back of the pen is concave. Push the pin in prior to install, then remove the pin again. The opening is snug to begin with, just like the OEM ones. So if you seat the pin first, it will go in easier when you go to do your install. Shouldn't be that much of an issue to get them in if you follow the suggestions. Pictures are posted if you click the link under my name. When I get my car back this week, I'll post more pictures of how to do it if it's unclear.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Aug 7 2006, 07:51 PM
Pat did you slice off one of the prongs at the base of the head before you tried? I managed to get them in with 4, but removeing one prong is the easier solution. I didn't have that much difficulty installing them. The pen type I used was a Paper Mate white plastic pen you find just about any where. The back of the pen is concave. Push the pin in prior to install, then remove the pin again. The opening is snug to begin with, just like the OEM ones. So if you seat the pin first, it will go in easier when you go to do your install. Shouldn't be that much of an issue to get them in if you follow the suggestions. Pictures are posted if you click the link under my name. When I get my car back this week, I'll post more pictures of how to do it if it's unclear.
Tod,
Got it now. Will try again this week (without the drift pin) & send pics of a rocker with the bone rivets.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Aug 24 2006, 05:09 PM
One side finished! Nedd to move the car for the other. This weekend.
Hey Tod - your instructions were great, but I didn't need to trim anything! All 4 prongs slipped in easily - used a wooden dowel to push in the tips. Changed all 18 on the pass side w/no problems. Interestingly, though it's only been 12 years since I did this before, the old rivets broke into pieces when removed! Must have been too much age on the plastic. Glad I bought so many this time!
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Posted by: tod914 Aug 24 2006, 06:01 PM
Nice job Pat, looks great. Mine in the thresholds were alittle tight. I took a tiny phillips and "cleared" the holes in the metal abit better. Probally do mine in a couple weeks. Last time I spoke with the vendor, they said once their stock on this size is gone they, won't be making it anymore. I plan on keeping a fair amount in both colors as well for future use.
Posted by: tod914 Jun 20 2009, 12:21 PM
Source for metal rivets from Sears from member Wilcheck
check this out http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...c=25978&hl=
This is what I posted back in 2005
I just put my rockers back on today. I was going to use screws, but to keep it looking original, I put the rivits back in. Took five minutes to do. Use 1/8 (1/8x1/4 to be exact) rivets with any rivet gun. Just put the rivert in the hole with the long end of the nail pointing up. Put the nail point in the rivet gun hole and squeeze the handle a couple of times. On the second or third squeeze the nail part will break off and the rivet will be flush. It is a lot easire than it sounds. GOOD LUCK
EDIT: Oh yeah, The bolts on the bottom of the rocker covers are 6MM X 12 (or 16 mm long) and the two screws in the fender well are #8X3/4. I used a hex head for both, as I think they are less prone to strip out. The bottom three bolts are tight with the hex head, but fit. I was unable to find stainless 6MM bolts so I ended up with zinc and stainless washers. GOOD LUCK
RIVET GUN:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_0...ters+%26+Rivets
RIVETS:
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?...pid=00974618000
Posted by: sendjonathanmail Jun 20 2009, 07:50 PM
so for my '74 that has the original metal rivets, should i use tods plastic ones that i have at home or go out and get the metal ones?
Posted by: tod914 Jun 21 2009, 06:28 PM
Johathan, the part number according to Porsche is the same for sill covers (outer rocker covers) as they are for the scuff plates for all 914 model years. Porsche superceeded from white to black, and now to clear. You'll be correct no matter which way you go. If I was to replace mine, I would go with the metal rivets in covers being that's what it had originally. You would think there would be a different part number for the metal ones. But there isn't. 999 591 530 40 Would be curious if it's the same on the original microfiche.
Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 22 2009, 08:31 PM
Johathan, the part number according to Porsche is the same for sill covers (outer rocker covers) as they are for the scuff plates for all 914 model years. Porsche superceeded from white to black, and now to clear. You'll be correct no matter which way you go. If I was to replace mine, I would go with the metal rivets in covers being that's what it had originally. You would think there would be a different part number for the metal ones. But there isn't. 999 591 530 40 Would be curious if it's the same on the original microfiche.
Tod,
Yeah, you would think so.
Some years back, I put metal rivets on my 914 for strength. Then realized that these covers need to come off every so often. The metal rivets are a bear to remove, but the plastics take only a drift punch, so I went back to original plastic thanks to you.
Regardless, original is original. Put on what you originally had.
Pat
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