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Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 18 2006, 07:14 PM

OK, it's about time to start some REAL documentation of these original cars! This'll be a nailed thread. If this one works out OK, & it's for rear trunks(boots) only, we'll expand to other areas. This is for the person who's trying to determine if the boot is correct, comparing to other years, etc. I expect some transitional differences in the early years, so disagreements may ensue - we're here to learn, so who cares. Show use what you have & it doesn't have to be concours. I'm going to try to keep this somewhat calendar-based.

Here's what we're looking for first: 914 four & six boots from start of production through 1971. If you have photos, send them. If possible, show the unsulation pad also. Multiple pic's OK.

Show us what you have!

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jun 19 2006, 11:34 AM

How's this? A 914/4, build date 01/70.


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Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 19 2006, 03:38 PM

Paul,
what about your insulation pad - where is it?

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jun 19 2006, 03:58 PM

The insulation pad(wots it supposed to insulate against? heat noise ) is a pale yellow-beige foam material that is totally unremarked and not deserving of using up my digital camera "space" Subsequent to the above photo, it has been re-installed by a highly competent Porsche technician, who further re-installed the "mouse fuzz" carpet pad. If you would like me to post pictures of the aforementioned 914 "parts", we will have to wait for my digital camera to be returned by the factory, as it has needed some "service" work.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 19 2006, 04:11 PM

Ahh, but it DOES make a difference! As you'll see in the ensuing years 914's, there is a difference of opinions on which is correct. Besides, we want anyone seeking information to get the full package. So, jack too!

Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 20 2006, 06:44 AM

How about a 1972 rear trunk 916 now?


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Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 20 2006, 05:35 PM

Geoff,

Thanks for a great post - whose car?

I'll be nailing another "Level 1" for 72-74 cars, so I'll eventually move your post there. Thanks!!!!! Pat

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 20 2006, 06:55 PM

OK, now for the next group - 1972-1974. Please include insulation pads in your photos - this could get interesting.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 20 2006, 06:58 PM

Here's the place for '75-'76 trunks (rear). Please include photos of the insulation pad.

Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 21 2006, 02:06 PM

Its the Alaska Blue 916 which I think was sold in the last year or so. I am not sure who owns it nowdays or if it really did sell. I saw it once, incredible car.


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Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 22 2006, 07:02 AM

1972 914-4. June 72 production.


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Posted by: boxstr Jun 23 2006, 08:59 AM

I spoke to the owner early this year. Motor was apart and car was not for sale at the time.
CCL

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 24 2006, 06:34 AM

These photos are really a great way to show the trunk Pat. SO MANY times the photographs are taken from behind the car and the rear trunk wall hides the most critical lowest portions of the trunk where the any damage can be hidden. Your trunk is awesome and shows all the detail.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 24 2006, 04:07 PM

Thanks for the compliment, Jeff.
One thing I'm trying to do by showing my rear trunk is that it has the short foam piece & it's a fairly late '72. Per Brett Johnson's book I shouldn't have it - should be a full, black foam pad (per his book). Brett's book is a VERY valuable source, but you can't take it as gospel for all things. This non-club is a far more reliable source of originality info & I want to make certain that the nuances are documented.

Now, who HAS a '72 with the full foam pad? If you do, please send pic's & we'll sort it out. Your photos are for documentation - it doesn't have to be a perfect trunk. Let's see the '73 &'74 cars too.

Posted by: BS Chairman Jun 25 2006, 01:28 PM

This is my 1970/6s trunk. As many shots as I thought you might want before bordem. Yes I know, I also saw the spot in the right corner will address right away. Why two colors of paint? Camera setting!
Gary


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Posted by: BS Chairman Jun 25 2006, 01:33 PM

Here's the rest of the story.
Gary


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Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jun 25 2006, 05:33 PM

Question:

What's that square (yellow) hole cut out on the driver side padding showing the yellow trunk metal in the trunk padding?? What's the purpose & why??? Just curious??

Tom
Nice looking trunk!!!!

Posted by: BS Chairman Jun 25 2006, 05:52 PM

So the pad sets fulsh with floor and the carpet will lay flat.
Gary

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 25 2006, 06:54 PM

This is why I wanted to do this!!!!!! Thanks Gary!

Everything in place, so the newbie can see what they're up against - beautiful. If it had been filthy, I wouldn't have cared - the parts are there. Love it!

Are all early 914's yellow? Not that I dislike it, but red really is better (heh, heh).

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 25 2006, 06:57 PM

Y'know, I've never tried to figure out why that "square" is there, & I'm not crawling under the car to figure it out - I'm old y'know. So, what's underneath?

Posted by: BS Chairman Jun 25 2006, 08:07 PM

Damn, If I know! I'm old too.

Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jun 25 2006, 08:42 PM

Let me put this in better words.

An old dude asks two old farts to get off their rocking chair to look under the 914.
We now need help from one of you younger guys. Help

Tom

Posted by: McMark Jun 26 2006, 01:36 AM

I have this thing in my head saying that the bump is provisions for the SportO tranny. But I can't remember for sure.

Posted by: McMark Jun 26 2006, 01:38 AM

One additional bit of info that I would think is pertinent is the application of the seam sealer. Most cars have it sprayed in, some have it brushed in. I don't know if it's an early/late thing or a 4/6 thing. Detail shots?

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jun 26 2006, 09:46 AM

Since I'm acutely aware of rear trunk finishes, I've noticed that the "finish" on some of the seams in the trunk of Gary's /6 is very different from those on my /4. Look especially around the areas for the shock mounting points. Attributable to /6 vs /4 construction techniques? Difference in build dates? Change in specification? Difference in the individual who actually "finished" off the trunk seams? We need more original pics of these early cars.

BTW, Gary, what's the build date on your /6? My /4 was built 01/70.

Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 26 2006, 09:56 AM

The 4's had the seam sealer sprayed on but the sixes have it gooped on. I guess Porsche didn't have a seamsealer spray rig....so on a handmade car slop it on with your hands.

Posted by: BS Chairman Jun 26 2006, 09:58 AM

'1970 Neun vierzehn', I have a build date of 4/70. I think because of my years in Fisher Body that it could be all the above, but thats just my thoughts.
Gary

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 26 2006, 05:23 PM

I don't know about sprayed or brushed. Mine looks like it was applied like household caulking - "gooshed" from a tube & lathered.

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jun 27 2006, 09:46 AM

The round bump for the sporto is towards the front of the trunk. You can see it in this photo.

The small square bump is over the muffler...what could it be?


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Posted by: SirAndy Jun 27 2006, 11:02 AM

i have a '70 /4 and a '70 /6 and the /4 has the seam sealer sprayed on, the /6 had it brushed on.

also, the /6 generally has *much* less seam sealer than the /4.
Andy

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jun 27 2006, 11:25 AM

Well then, maybe my car got the "wrong" engine! From the minimalist application of "seam sealer", to its obvious hand application, I must have a /6 chassis. Now, where's my 2 liter "6" engine?

Posted by: tod914 Jun 27 2006, 04:48 PM

12/74 build year light ivory 2.0 carpet

Posted by: tod914 Jun 27 2006, 04:50 PM

foam pad and jack

Posted by: tod914 Jun 27 2006, 04:55 PM

various shots bare trunk

Posted by: tod914 Jun 27 2006, 04:57 PM

other and exterior

Posted by: tod914 Jun 27 2006, 05:01 PM

Pat feel free to delete what you want, figured more is better than less.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 27 2006, 05:24 PM

Thank you, thank you! Now we're rolling.

Check 'em out folks - look at the differences. Look & learn - these are great!

Posted by: 73Phoenix20 Jun 27 2006, 06:24 PM

These are old photos...I will try to shoot some better ones soon. 03/1973 production. Full foam trunck pad...

Posted by: RustyWa Jun 27 2006, 07:47 PM

My old '75 2.0L... Build date 01/75

With carpet..


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Posted by: RustyWa Jun 27 2006, 07:48 PM

Of pad...




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Posted by: sixerdon Jun 28 2006, 05:55 AM

Nice pictures Todd,
Two things of note.
1. Notice the wiring harness running along the floor of the trunk, up against the rear bulkhead where a lot of water can collect. Early models ran along the rear shelf. When was the change over? (Mine is like yours Todd)

2. Notice the aluminum rivets holding the white roof top storage bracket. Early models were fastened by 2 10mm bolts. When those brackets break on later cars, where do you get the rivets? When was the change over?

Don

Posted by: tod914 Jun 28 2006, 07:04 AM

Not another rivet quest! Don, only 1 side on mine has the rivets, the other is bolts like you stated. I guess somewhere along the line one side was replaced.

Posted by: sixerdon Jun 28 2006, 10:01 AM

Love it! Which side is your 10 mm bolts on??

Don

Posted by: tod914 Jun 28 2006, 10:45 AM

Right side plastic latch

Posted by: sixerdon Jun 28 2006, 08:26 PM

Tod, I checked my '76 parts car and my '75 and they have those rivets. Or are they? They can also be plugs. Whatever they are, I have never taken them off.
My '74 parts car has the 10mm bolts with a square nut welded to the backside of the engine bulkhead. That seems to be same with all the earlier cars.
If your 10mm bolt is fastened to a removeable nut, then sometime in the past, the rivet (or plug) was drilled out to replace a broken clip.
Is there anyone else who can add to this?

Don

Posted by: tod914 Jun 28 2006, 09:10 PM

Don, the rivets where drilled out and replaced with the bolts and nuts. I guess I get 1 demerit lol.

Posted by: McMark Jun 30 2006, 02:29 AM

I'm guessing it's a 75/76 thing because the rear shelf got blocked by extra braces with the addition of rubber bumpers.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jun 30 2006, 06:35 PM

Love it! New ground here! Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm bein edified!




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Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 30 2006, 11:26 PM

Heck, I like looking at pics of RustyWa ole car. Can't say I am edified...what the heck is that?

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 1 2006, 04:11 PM

Means I learned something (sorry, my hillbilly slipped out)

Posted by: tod914 Jul 1 2006, 05:21 PM

Better than being munsoned

Posted by: Dion Jul 26 2006, 03:17 PM

73' 1.7 (now with 2.0) same ol' trunk.


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Posted by: Dion Jul 26 2006, 03:25 PM

Still need marathon blue on the bottom. What is this number on the lower right corner in the boot?


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Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 26 2006, 06:36 PM

VERY nice trunk! Paint the bottom!

Number in the RR corner is Karmann's production numer and does not necessarily run in sequence to final production. Looks good Dion!

Posted by: Dion Jul 26 2006, 10:40 PM

Thank you Pat. I appreciate the compliment. Thanks for the info on the trunk #. Waiting for this humidity to drop so the gentleman who did the body work and paint can coat this area. Needed to repair some rust in the trunk edge/floor near the rt. tail-light. Cheers,Dion

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 27 2006, 05:34 PM

Hear what your saying about the humidity!

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jul 28 2006, 01:21 PM

Does everyone know that the chassis number is actually a code with embedded meaning about your 914?

Posted by: Series9 Jul 28 2006, 01:46 PM

Manufactured 3/05:




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Posted by: Leo Imperial Jul 28 2006, 02:33 PM

Not possible. They didn't offer the crossbar until 4/05.
Please don't post false info in this forum

Posted by: boxstr Jul 29 2006, 09:13 PM

Here are a few rear trunk shots.
Craig


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Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 30 2006, 10:59 AM

Hey Craig,

Could that possibly be Body Shutz under the paint?
Pat

Posted by: type4org Jul 30 2006, 02:52 PM

Here's some shots from my all-original 1976 2.0 (build date late November 1975) which I bought just a few weeks ago with 24,500 miles. A few of them came out a little dark I'm afraid. I'm not really a concours type of guy, but I'm posting because at a recent get-together a fellow 914 owner who knows about originality told me it could be concours material with a little cleaning

Trunk with carpet in place:


Trunk with insulation mat in place, notice the unsightly blobs of unmatching paint left over after ripping out the rear reflector and temporarily closing up the holes it left. Lesson: After 30 years the touch-up paint stick may not match the original color anymore


Naked trunk:


Jack and jack mounts closeup:

Posted by: Bleyseng Jul 30 2006, 05:15 PM

Yes, another Nepal Orange 76!

Nice car. I have the rear reflector still in place as its a pain to fix those holes! Yours still has the decals atleast as mine were ripped off leaving a shadow mark.

Posted by: type4org Jul 30 2006, 05:23 PM

Thanks! My reflector just had to go, with the intermittent solenoid it was impossible to take off the top and store it in the trunk.

I'll try to find a little paint that matches better to at least hide the holes more. I'm a bit afraid of the work involved in fixing this for good, with welding and respraying that area...

Posted by: Pat Garvey Oct 12 2006, 07:42 PM

Jeff,

Enlighten the masses, pleas?

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Posted by: Bleyseng Oct 13 2006, 09:39 AM

What about the 914's that don't have this stamped code anywhere??

Nothing on my 76....

Posted by: Pat Garvey Oct 14 2006, 07:24 PM

Jeff,
That's pretty cool!

Fits perfectly w/my numbers.

Thanks to Dave too, who will soon become the member of the fugliest set of foglight grills!

Pat

Posted by: dmenche914 Oct 15 2006, 06:35 PM

i have had two 1970 914's (four cylinders) the first was about serial #1600 or so, and the latest is serial #1300.

On both of the them, the muffler heat shield is screwed to the trunk floor, later cars got them wleded in place.

Both early cars I had had minimal seam sealer in the trunk. The earliest had almost no sealer at all, many seams on the shock mount tower had none what so ever!

Is this a sign of an early car, or variation during production (ie Hans the sealer guy took the day off) i do not know?

But lack of sealer or minimal sealer was found on both my early cars. The 1600+/- serial number car had a build bate of nov or Oct 1969 per the door sticker, the #1300 car door sticker is not present.

On my #1600 car, dispite a letter from the factory (per my request) stating it was a USA spec car, had no vapor recovery system, no carbon can, no hoses, no holes for hoses, even the fan housing boss for the vapor line was not drilled out.

Forget if the 1300 car has vapor system of not, it is not at my house right now, so I will need to check it out too.

I bet the early cars rust more, with the lack of seam sealer.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Oct 16 2006, 06:59 PM

I would think so.

I've seen 914's w/almost NO sealer & my '72, which "Hans" must have been having a good day with the sealer - looks like he used more than his alottment!

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Oct 16 2006, 11:18 PM

Maybe DaveP will chime in to verify...I dont think the 76 cars had the chassis # stamped into the rear trunk floor ...but it does appear on the skinny riveted plate on the pass side wheel well (below the tire board) in the front trunk and also on the Karmann drivers door pillar plate. The decoder above works on the the late cars too.

Posted by: brant Nov 14 2006, 10:56 AM

I wanna post in this forum at least once:


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Posted by: Pat Garvey Nov 14 2006, 08:09 PM

Umm, Brant - gorgeous finish!
Now, what about the rest of the car.....

BTW, you're missing some trunk plugs & what is up with the lights wiring?

Posted by: brant Nov 14 2006, 09:41 PM

oops..
sorry pat, I was crashing the thread.
the rest of the car is featured ad naseum right:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=19706

the wiring is because its a race car.
single strand of airplane wiring runs 4 rear brake bulbs...
(air plane grade wiring has a lighter insulation and the car was built with weight in mind!)

for example:


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Posted by: Pat Garvey Nov 16 2006, 08:00 PM

Brant - interesting. I keep learning here!

With that in mind (and I know ounces are important in racing), how did you determine the spots to be drilled on the hood? Obviously, structural rigidity is not paramount for a hood.

Yeah, I know, this isn't CW stuff, but I'm curious!
Pat

Posted by: brant Nov 16 2006, 10:59 PM

Pat,

I'm sorry this has turned into such a hijack...
regarding the front hood....
I first tried to remove the bracing on the rear hood: (see below)
in doing that I learned that the sheetmetal alone is way too flimsy to support itself.
I had to go back with balsa wood strips on the rear hood to give its shape back.
(it was sagging 6 inches from its own weight)

so when I got around to doing the front hood, I knew it would never withstand the aero force at speed with all of the bracing gone. I knew that I couldn't gut it completely... so decided to drill.

the diagonal braces seemed to be all of the real strength from my observations
this is backed up by the fact that they are the first thing to kink or show damage from any accident, and that the diagonals support all of the frontal force.

so the diagonals were left alone.

and then all of the rest of it, was just drilled to the biggest hole I could fit relative to the size of the area being drilled.



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Posted by: brant Nov 16 2006, 11:00 PM

and when in place:




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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Nov 25 2006, 12:03 PM

Lookit, not much seam sealer........


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Posted by: rhodyguy Jan 8 2007, 09:50 AM

same Scarlet (Mars) Red car. check out the condition of the 2 white floor plugs. the rear trunk pad and carpet are as new but not pictured. boner.

k


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Posted by: Pat Garvey Jan 8 2007, 08:53 PM

Rhody,

VERY nice finish! I'd guess that yours is a late '72 or later car. But, what's with the rear lighting wiring? Should be tucked away up in the taillight/lock asembly area.

Posted by: rhodyguy Jan 9 2007, 10:30 AM

door jam production sticker reads 11/74. not my car, YET. don't know what the deal is with the wiring. i noticed it too. rear trunk lock is absent as well.

k

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jan 9 2007, 11:27 AM

Rhody,
This comment may be out of line, as I haven't examined any late model 914s recently, but, the paint finish on the rear trunk surface looks to be mighty thick and not too smooth. That, coupled with the out-of-place wiring and missing lock hardware would cause me to look closer at the integrity of rear trunk. 914s are noteworthy for having water collect in the low areas back there by the tail lights. For comparison, examine the thin, smooth paint applications on some of the original, pristine trunks presented in this thread.

Posted by: Jasfsmith Mar 5 2007, 08:19 AM

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One thing I'm trying to do by showing my rear trunk is that it has the short foam piece & it's a fairly late '72. Per Brett Johnson's book I shouldn't have it - should be a full, black foam pad (per his book). Brett's book is a VERY valuable source, but you can't take it as gospel for all things. This non-club is a far more reliable source of originality info & I want to make certain that the nuances are documented.
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My 1970 914-4 (purchased used in '73) had a rectangular piece of Perlon placed loose in the hole area of the yellow pad. Can anyone confirm that this was typical? I can't image the former owner chopping up the carpeting (Perlon) elsewhere in the car just to fill the hole.

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 5 2007, 11:26 AM

James,
My '70/4 has the original foam insert identical to the one pictured in Pat's post #11 in this thread topic. Gary's '70/6 (post #15) is similar, though the pictures seem to depict it as having a a 'brown" shade to it, as opposed to Pat and mine, which are a pale, dingy "yellow".

Paul

Posted by: 9146986 Mar 5 2007, 01:07 PM

I'm with Paul on Rhody's car, sorry but that's not an original finish. But then what was supposed to be a thread about original finishes has turned out to be......

Posted by: Jasfsmith Mar 5 2007, 01:36 PM

Was there a piece of Perlon placed in the rectangular opening?

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Mar 5 2007, 03:36 PM

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Gary's post (#15 of this thread) shows the (what I refer to as "mouse fuzz) trunk carpet fitment. The entire bottom of the rear trunk received this single piece of carpet. I've never seen this carpeting in anything but full size. The dense foam padding beneath it was used (probably) for heat and perhaps noise abatement. That foam piece nestled in the rearmost section of the trunk as seen in our thread #s 11 and 15.

Gary's pictures appear identical to my '70/4 with regards to fitment. I can't really tell from his photos as to the type of manufacture/weave of the carpet material. The carpet in the f & r trunk is identical to what is fitted in the passenger compartment.


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Posted by: Pat Garvey Mar 5 2007, 08:23 PM

Sounds like this car had the "Porsche" refelctor panel between the tail lights and and electric lock.

BTW, Mars Red was never a Porsche color - VW. Nice color though.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Mar 5 2007, 08:28 PM

James,

Sure would like to see a pic of the placement of the carpet piece!

I've never seen such a thing, but I know yours is an early Euro car & anything may have taken place! Any chance for a pic? I know your ailing (to say the least), but it might help the forum with new info.

Pat

Posted by: Pat Garvey Mar 5 2007, 08:32 PM

Ooops! Sorry, though we were discussing your six! But...I have a late '72 four & still don't know what you'r referring too. Pic possible?
Pat

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Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 1 2007, 09:24 PM

I'm not trying to be overly picky here, because I know this is a special 914. I've also had zero experience with light colored 914's. But, isn't there something that can be done to remove the seepage of oxidation on this rear trunk? It's far from serious, but it's hurting the overall value of the car.

Anyone have ideas?
Pat

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Apr 2 2007, 03:00 PM

Pat, I hear you. I hate that little oxidation in the trunk however since she lives in a garage & has for over 30 years, it still looks the same as it did back in '78. George @ AA said not to touch my trunks, door jambs or engine compartment so I listened to him & left well enough alone. I was thinking of using CLR to clean up the stains & maybe scratch & touch up the micro spot on the upper right corner of the re-enforcing plate. Thoughts?





Edit: BTW- George repainted her back in '03

Posted by: Pittelli Apr 8 2007, 12:37 PM

Hello,
I just got a '71 914. Sorry for the very basic question, but how the heck do I get the back trunk open? I see a lever for the engine compartment and the front trunk and that's it. It doesn't have a push button like I see in most of the pictures here.java script:emoticon(':headbang:', 'smid_29')

Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 8 2007, 02:20 PM

Sounds strange! Does your 914 have a reflector panel between the taillights with "PORSCHE" script? Can you send a photo?

Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 8 2007, 02:28 PM

Johnny,

I wouldn't try CLR, particularly because it could potentially seep into seam areas. I also wouldn't be all that worried about the stains.

One thing you may try is a Mister Clean Eraser (not the heavy duty one), with plenty of water & very light rubbing - I've had good luck with this product for removing the tire stains in the front well. Rub very lightly & see if it does any good - if not, you're out a couple of bucks. If it does work, be sure to put some heavy paste wax on afterward. They act like a very mild rubbing compound, so it will have to be waxed/polished afterwards.

If you try, let us know whether or not it works.
Pat

Posted by: Pittelli Apr 8 2007, 03:37 PM

Yes, it does.
I'll send a pic if I can figure out how to do so. I called the guy who sold it to me and he said "it just opens up. If not, there's a switch under the steering wheel." It doesn't just open up. Presumably, there is a latch that would keep it from doing so. I tried pushing, pulling, jiggling. The only switches under the steering wheel are little things that don't seem to have anything to do with the back trunk. The guy was a little hard to deal with when I bought it from him and I don't know if he's giving me the bum's rush. He opened it while I was there, but I was busy looking for things like rust and didn't pay attention to how he did it.

Posted by: Pittelli Apr 8 2007, 04:23 PM

Here, I hope is a pic:
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Posted by: Pittelli Apr 8 2007, 04:25 PM

Oh well.

Posted by: Pittelli Apr 8 2007, 04:28 PM

Sorry, I'm new at this. I think this link by itself will take you to the pic:
http://bp1.blogger.com/_AGQAJEG62C0/Rhlbo3nz-PI/AAAAAAAAACs/kU9YZ_BNlCs/s1600-h/Porsche+Trunk.JPG

Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 9 2007, 07:52 PM

Your problem comes from the aftermarket reflector the previous owner put on the car. These kits cames with an electric latch opener for the trunk, which apparently has gone bad in your 914.

Regretfully, I have no answer for you, since I've never had the part in question. Hoever, i know it is a common problem with these modifications. I'd suggest you take the question to the Garage Forum. You'll get a fast answer there.
Pat

Posted by: mrhurtalot Apr 9 2007, 08:51 PM

my answer for this...

PUNCH OUT A TAIL LIGHT!


er... i had the same problem...

Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 10 2007, 07:51 PM

OUCH!
Harsh, expensive & really tough on the knuckles. There are other ways, so I'm told. Just don't remeber them.

Posted by: BS Chairman Apr 11 2007, 08:32 PM

Pat, Back in the 90's at a 914 show in W.Va. there was a six with a deck lid that they couldn't open. The fix was a flashlight and a few loong extension threw the top cup opening! Oh yes, it takes two bodys to do this job and 12 bystanders! But, it did work in about a half hour.
Gary

Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 12 2007, 06:26 PM

Well, in South Philly it only takes one guy - usually Vince or Moik (that's South Philly for "Mike") or, if you're really hard up - Guido. You say - "hey xxxxx, there's a cheesesteak stuck in the trunk o 'dat car" Simple crowbar action & it's open - no big deal, until you try to explain the how the cheesesteak thing was a joke. People have been known to "disappear" because of this, but it's effective in the short run. Oh yeah, metal damage - forgot about that. But, it's a concours - whatever it takes.

Just having fun guys - I LOVE this town!
Pat

Posted by: sendjonathanmail Apr 16 2007, 11:14 AM

heres the 914 that I just bought, and is being shipped to me from california...this is the ONLY rust on the car...tell me what you think...and what is the best way to fix it...

Posted by: mrhurtalot Apr 16 2007, 03:13 PM

yeck! thats worse than my OKLAHOMA car. but im sure i have you beat every where else...

Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 16 2007, 08:12 PM

To me, it doesn't look like more than severe surface rust on the top side, but that's from here!

If so, it shouldn't be a major problem. I would take it to a professional though.

What's the rest of the car look like? Assume it's a '74?

Posted by: sendjonathanmail Apr 16 2007, 09:08 PM

the rest of the car looks superb, and its original paint, 1.8L... tell me what you think

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Jul 15 2007, 03:58 PM

Ya know, Andy says I need wheel spacers I get wheel spacers. Pat tells me my trunk looks like Kimshi & well, I cleaned it. See previous page/post for a before shot.





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Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 15 2007, 08:17 PM

Kimshi? WTF is that?

Whatever....it looks pretty slick now!
Keep up the good work - you may geta concours car out of the beast yet!
Pat

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Jul 15 2007, 08:25 PM

Fermented Korean cabbage... smells like . In DC, where politically correct means everything, instead of saying happens, people say "Kimshi occurs".

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 15 2007, 08:42 PM

Ewwwh!

Posted by: amallagh Feb 16 2008, 07:58 AM

Does anyone know if the 914 rear deck gerney spoiler was available as a factory or dealer option when the cars were sold? I'm told they were but can't find any period pictures or evidence of this.
Anyone got any period pictures or weblinks ?
This is the type of spoiler I mean
I've only just fitted this spoiler as part of my GT conversion but I'm being told I will need to remove it for some of the classic rally events I do unless I can prove that it was a 'period modification or accessory'

Help ?
Andrew

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Feb 16 2008, 01:46 PM

Andrew,
I don't recall that type spoiler (or any spoiler, for that matter) being fitted to a 914 that was raced from 1970 to (about) 1975/76. I recall seeing small spoilers like the one that you've posted advertised in the US in aftermarket catalogs around 1976/77.

The first pic that I have showing a spoiler similar dates from 1978. If you are supposed to be compliant with specs dating from 1973 or prior, I don't think that they will allow your rear appliance.

Paul

Below is a /6 from 1978......


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Posted by: Pat Garvey Feb 16 2008, 08:24 PM

Agrre, for the US. Don't know about the ROW though.
Pat

Posted by: amallagh Feb 16 2008, 08:39 PM

When I bought my rear gerney spoiler I was told that it was similar to a US dealer option available at the time.
I would have to get my whole trunk lid resprayed and fill the holes to remove it. Not good !
No body else heard of these spoliers being offered in the 70s that can show any evidence to the fact ?
Andrew

Posted by: amallagh Feb 17 2008, 01:55 PM

Paul,
I notice the front spoiler on the picture you posted. I was told that these were also an aftermarket (or dealer) option and were supposed to be the equivalent to the rear 'ducktail' and front apron that appeared on the 911 RS in 1973. I was told that the 914 equivalents became available some time after that.
If I could even get any evidence that they were sold '76/'77 then that might satify the scrutineers as it is still broadly 'in period'. Do you have anything you could scan/copy ? Like an original catalogue ?
If the picture you attached is all you have then is there any way to demonstrate the date ? Where did you find it ?
Your help is very much appreciated. Your picture is the best lead I've found so far.
Regards
Andrew

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Feb 17 2008, 10:41 PM

Andrew,
The photo of the yellow /6 was taken in July 1978 near Aspen Colorado at the annual Porsche Club of America "Parade". At the end of this post, I'll attach a photo that our forum moderator, Pat Garvey, took showing the same car at the "welcome lot" for that event. As luck would have it, the "Welcome" banner displays the year!

Additionally, I've been searching old books and publications (Road & Track, for one), looking for any advertisement that might show or feature the type of spoiler that you are concerned with. For the 1976 calendar year, I've found photos showing such a spoiler on the trailing edge of Datsun/Nissan 240Zs. Looking at pictures showing US racing (SCCA and IMSA), I've not come across a photo showing a 914 with such a device. In the '70s, there were quite a number of accessory catalogs published that were aimed at the sports car enthusiast market. MG Mitten, Imparts, Automotion, Performance Products, and many others advertised in R&T and many offered free catalogs. Air dams and front spoilers were fairly common and I remember rear appliances being offered as well, but alas, I no longer have 30 year old brochures. I am, howeever, not finished looking. I still need to go through my 70s era Porsche Panorama collection to see what I can find.
Paul


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Posted by: amallagh Feb 18 2008, 06:12 PM

Paul, what a stroke of luck !
Really appreciate your efforts here. Anything else you can get hold of that confirms the date or shows it was available earlier would be very useful.
What a star !
Andrew

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Feb 19 2008, 12:01 PM

Andrew,
Last evening I went through every issue of the Porsche Club of Americas' monthly publication "Panorama" for 1976 and 1977. I found neither photos nor commercial advertising for rear spoilers for the 914. There were lots of ads for front spoilers, but no references whatsoever to those to be fitted on the rear. However, I ran across a private "classified" ad in October 1977 for a 914/6 that was listed as being "all yellow....with front and rear spoilers...." The car for sale listed a California owner. The yellow car that I've posted pictures previously was from California. Same car, perhaps?!?. At any rate, that ad from October 1977 tells me that somebody had a spoiler on a 914 by late 1977. I can't imagine that could be of much use to you, however.
Lastly, may I suggest that you post your question on the Main Forum page, where it will get more readership exposure. Perhaps someone has an early accessory catalog or some other documentation that can prove the existence/use of your spoiler prior to the 1978 photos that I've posted. Good luck in your quest.

Paul

Posted by: HOF porsche914 Jul 26 2009, 08:53 PM

Can someone please post a pic of what the rear of my 1976 914 should have between the tail lights, mine has the aftermarket "PORSCHE" piece between

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 27 2009, 09:26 PM

Check out the first page of this thread. Your help is there.
Pat

Posted by: HOF porsche914 Jul 27 2009, 11:02 PM

I didn't see it, rear of a 1976??

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 28 2009, 09:19 PM

Sorry, bad reference.

Check this one out. You aren't the only person who's had this problem:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&showtopic=54222&view=findpost&p=741449
Pat

Posted by: 70_914 Dec 4 2009, 05:35 PM

My #1002 car has a build date of 12/69..... 1600+ with build date of Oct 1969?

I am confused here.

Kevin

Posted by: larss Mar 15 2011, 02:21 PM

My '72, 1.7 just painted.


/Lars S

Posted by: Pat Garvey Mar 15 2011, 07:00 PM

Lars - just absolutely gorgeous!
Pat

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Aug 28 2011, 06:59 PM

So, yeah, it took 5+ years to get the picture posted


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Posted by: Eric_Shea Aug 24 2012, 07:40 PM

On later cars (say 74 and up), there's an indentation along the upper edge of the rear panel by the right side roof carrier. It seems to have an M6 fastener in it.

Does anyone know what this is for?

Early cars do not have this.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Aug 31 2012, 05:07 PM

Do you have a pic?

Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 5 2014, 05:35 PM

Eric, I repeat, do you have a pic of this location? Would help.
Pat

Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 5 2014, 05:35 PM

Eric, I repeat, do you have a pic of this location? Would help.
Pat

Posted by: Pat Garvey Apr 5 2014, 05:36 PM

Eric, I repeat, do you have a pic of this location? Would help.
Pat

Posted by: robkammer Oct 27 2021, 03:45 PM

So: 15 years later I stumble across this trunk fest. I'm new the the Teener world and am trying to sort out my new to me 74 LE. It came with a rear reflector which I thought was OK when I saw it in the photos. But after realizing it was an afterthought, and that the trunk release relies on good electrical service to open the trunk I'm not so sure I like it. (I heard rumors about random electrical glitches).
I'm thinking that I have two viable options: Remove the reflector and get bumperplugs.com to provide some covers and replace the original latch and button. Or, figure out a way to have an emergency release wire to open the trunk in the event of an electrical failure or latch failure.
I've seen some frunk emergency cables in the forums and will add that as time allows too.
Looking forward to hearing from some of the 914 veterans!

Posted by: whipcity76 Aug 16 2022, 01:53 PM

Hi,

Just learning the ropes here. Finally got my 914/6 back from a very long restoration.

On my punch list is to figure about what to do with the floor of my rear trunk. Does anyone know what is correct? Have seen wonderful pics of different applications from this blog. My big concern would be if the car’s being judged, would the carpet/mat need to be removed.

Also have seen a “wooden” panel installed in many trunks. Was/is this to protect rear lights from anything heavy crashing into them because of a sudden stop?

I know I’ve been a “newbie” since enrolling back in 2016. Thought my car was going to be finished. Boy, was I wrong or what!