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Posted by: SirAndy Jul 22 2007, 06:34 PM

So, after having had the pleasure to drive this beautiful, unmolested, all original, 37k miles 914-6 today, i can't help but wonder if we should attempt to list all the differences between an early /6 and early /4 in terms of originality.

I believe it would be of tremendous help to have a list of things "to look for" when doing a PPI on such a time-capsule.

What do ya'all think?
idea.gif Andy

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Posted by: SirAndy Jul 22 2007, 06:40 PM

i'll start ... biggrin.gif

- it should have a flat /6, 2.0L motor (doh!)
- firewall center engine mount
- no /4 mounts
- factory oil-tank
- different relay board
- "hook" for the oil-line on drivers side rear long
- 911 style ignition switch and column for '70/'71 models
- *no* hole in the front trunk for the /4 air hose to the spare tire
- black "tar" around the front upper shock towers
- different windshield washer bottle
- electric washer pump
- real 5-lug axles
- "914-6" badge
- handthrottle in front of the shifter
- different throttle cable routing, using a tranny mounted pivot
- different paint code on the karman badge
- different VIN, starting with "914" (doh! again)
- no rain-tray under engine lid.
- Dash top has no center vent


- "dogbone" pass. side footrest (did early /4s have those too?) - Yes
- different center console (did early /4s have those too?) - Yes


what else?
idea.gif Andy

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Jul 22 2007, 07:30 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 22 2007, 08:40 PM) *

i'll start ... biggrin.gif

- it should have a flat /6, 2.0L motor (doh!)
- firewall center engine mount
- no /4 mounts
- factory oil-tank
- different relay board
- "hook" for the oil-line on drivers side rear long
- 911 style ignition switch and column for '70/'71 models
- *no* hole in the front trunk for the /4 air hose to the spare tire
- black "tar" around the front upper shock towers
- different windshield washer bottle
- electric washer pump
- real 5-lug axles
- "914-6" badge
- handthrottle in front of the shifter
- different throttle cable routing, using a tranny mounted pivot
- different paint code on the karman badge
- different VIN, starting with "914" (doh! again)

- "dogbone" pass. side footrest (did early /4s have those too?)
- different center console (did early /4s have those too?)


what else?
idea.gif Andy


That crap is stock? I still have it w/ @ least 3 layers of paint on top of it sad.gif . stromberg.gif !

Posted by: orthobiz Jul 22 2007, 07:42 PM

No plastic drip pan under engine cover.

Paul

Posted by: BS Chairman Jul 22 2007, 07:49 PM

Tool kit
Steel wheels - 6/10solts 4/8solts
Dash top no center vent
Headliner or not for the 6 or 4 ?
Bigger master brake cyl
Different center console (did early /4s have those too?) - yes

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Gary

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 22 2007, 08:08 PM

The pass side dogbones were an option on early fours.

Andy.....GREAT thread - way past due!
Pat

ps: what's that strange looking Schwartzeneger kinda 914 in the background of the photo? Hmmm?
Pat

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 22 2007, 09:39 PM

QUOTE(orthobiz @ Jul 22 2007, 05:42 PM) *

No plastic drip pan under engine cover.


good one, i'll add it to the list ... thumb3d.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 22 2007, 09:43 PM

QUOTE(BS Chairman @ Jul 22 2007, 05:49 PM) *

Tool kit - what are the differences?
Steel wheels - 6/10solts 4/8solts - good call, anybody got pictures?
Dash top no center vent - added to the list
Headliner or not for the 6 or 4 ? - this car had headliner, so had my '70 /4
Bigger master brake cyl - dunno? anybody?
Different center console (did early /4s have those too?) - yes - ok, list updated

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Jul 22 2007, 09:58 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 22 2007, 11:43 PM) *

Tool kit - what are the differences?


tool kit for the six from previous post. 65-70 911 tool kit w/ 914 towing eye added.



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Posted by: BS Chairman Jul 23 2007, 08:50 AM

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Gary

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jul 23 2007, 09:38 AM

QUOTE(BS Chairman @ Jul 22 2007, 05:49 PM) *


Headliner or not for the 6 or 4 ?

Gary


My '70/4, build date 01/1970, was delivered w/o the tethered footrest and did not have a headliner.

Another difference between the /4s and /6s.......the brakes!

Paul

Posted by: Jasfsmith Jul 23 2007, 12:03 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 22 2007, 08:40 PM) *

i'll start ... biggrin.gif

- different center console (did early /4s have those too?) - Yes


what else?
idea.gif Andy


My "plain Jayne" '70 914-4 did not have a center console.

Neither the '4 or '6 had a headliner.

Posted by: BS Chairman Jul 23 2007, 12:14 PM

QUOTE(Jasfsmith @ Jul 23 2007, 10:03 AM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 22 2007, 08:40 PM) *

i'll start ... biggrin.gif

- different center console (did early /4s have those too?) - Yes


what else?
idea.gif Andy


My "plain Jayne" '70 914-4 did not have a center console.

Neither the '4 or '6 had a headliner.


My six had no headliner also, but I bought it in 1997 so who knows. Now Dr.914 told me at parade it was the way it came from factory! HELP!!! Who's right.

Gary

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Jul 23 2007, 01:35 PM

QUOTE(BS Chairman @ Jul 23 2007, 11:14 AM) *

QUOTE(Jasfsmith @ Jul 23 2007, 10:03 AM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 22 2007, 08:40 PM) *

i'll start ... biggrin.gif

- different center console (did early /4s have those too?) - Yes


what else?
idea.gif Andy


My "plain Jayne" '70 914-4 did not have a center console.

Neither the '4 or '6 had a headliner.


My six had no headliner also, but I bought it in 1997 so who knows. Now Dr.914 told me at parade it was the way it came from factory! HELP!!! Who's right.

Gary

You are right. No headliner in the early sixes from the factory. Do not when it changed but all 71 and 72 sixes had a headliner installed

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Jul 23 2007, 05:27 PM

antenna = radio? What kind if I may ask?


BTW: post # 908 biggrin.gif


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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jul 23 2007, 05:40 PM

QUOTE(Johny Blackstain @ Jul 23 2007, 03:27 PM) *

antenna = radio? What kind if I may ask?


It appears that most early 914s, /4 or /6, had a radio/antenna installed by the dealer. I can't remember seing an original early car that didn't have a Hirschman antenna, if one was installed. I'd imagine that the P+A dealer would be more likely to put a Blaupunkt or Becker radio in a /6, as opposed to the dealer installed Motorola that came in my /4.

Paul

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Jul 23 2007, 06:11 PM

QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Jul 23 2007, 07:40 PM) *

It appears that most early 914s, /4 or /6, had a radio/antenna installed by the dealer. I can't remember seing an original early car that didn't have a Hirschman antenna, if one was installed. I'd imagine that the P+A dealer would be more likely to put a Blaupunkt or Becker radio in a /6, as opposed to the dealer installed Motorola that came in my /4.

Paul



I'm sportin a Frankfurt USA, or @ least I will be after I pull out the Sacramento CD player. I hope it still works... blink.gif dry.gif



BTW: post # 909 for me biggrin.gif



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Posted by: mikey Jul 23 2007, 11:42 PM

You can't see them, but the 914-6 rear axles and CV joints have one more spline than the 914-4s do. (Not much use knowing this for a PPI though)

Rear brake caliper & handbrake is way different than the 914-4.

Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jul 24 2007, 10:22 PM

Hi guys,

I have a serious question. popcorn[1].gif

Can a late 1970 914-6 with a 0 after the 914 on the vin # and titled as a 1971 be converted to a factory 1971 M-471 option car????
Example: vin # 91404321?? (late#'s) and titled as 1971 be a real 1971???

Inquiring minds want to know, because I know of a 914-6 that's for sale??? Need answer ASAP.

Wolfgang are you interested?? unsure.gif

Tom

Posted by: Gustl Jul 25 2007, 12:12 AM

QUOTE(Thomas J Bliznik @ Jul 25 2007, 05:22 AM) *

Hi guys,

I have a serious question. popcorn[1].gif

Can a late 1970 914-6 with a 0 after the 914 on the vin # and titled as a 1971 be converted to a factory 1971 M-471 option car????
Example: vin # 91404321?? (late#'s) and titled as 1971 be a real 1971???

Inquiring minds want to know, because I know of a 914-6 that's for sale??? Need answer ASAP.

Wolfgang are you interested?? unsure.gif

Tom


Tom, it might be my lack of knowing english, but unfortunately I didn't get the point of your question - I've no idea what you're asking confused24.gif sad.gif

but the VIN you showed is incomplete

there is always a rumor, that the factory might have built M471 cars in MY'70 (914.0.43.xxxx), but only at special request - not as a standard procedure
remember - they also built the competition cars from the very beginning of the production
BUT - there's no proove yet

for sure - if there is a MY'70 914-6 with the M471 option, I would be the 1st who's interested in boldblue.gif

wavey.gif Gustl

Posted by: Lawrence Jul 25 2007, 12:54 AM

The shift linkage cover (a small boxy looking thing) at the transmission is a different part on a 914-6... and the part is NLA!

Posted by: mikey Jul 25 2007, 01:09 AM

I've been told that the original interior mirror on a 914-6 is smaller (like looking through a mail slot) than a 914-4 mirror.

I've got two of them and they both are shot, so if anyone knows where to get one in good shape let me know.

Posted by: Gustl Jul 25 2007, 01:52 AM

QUOTE(mikey @ Jul 25 2007, 08:09 AM) *

I've been told that the original interior mirror on a 914-6 is smaller (like looking through a mail slot) than a 914-4 mirror.


I might be wrong, but AFAIK this is not a "914-4 vs 914-6", but a "early cars vs late cars" thing idea.gif

Posted by: mikey Jul 25 2007, 02:17 AM

QUOTE(Gustl @ Jul 25 2007, 12:52 AM) *

QUOTE(mikey @ Jul 25 2007, 08:09 AM) *

I've been told that the original interior mirror on a 914-6 is smaller (like looking through a mail slot) than a 914-4 mirror.


I might be wrong, but AFAIK this is not a "914-4 vs 914-6", but a "early cars vs late cars" thing idea.gif


Great! boldblue.gif boldblue.gif boldblue.gif

Hopefully that will make it easier to find a good one!
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Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jul 25 2007, 06:14 AM

QUOTE(Gustl @ Jul 24 2007, 10:12 PM) *

QUOTE(Thomas J Bliznik @ Jul 25 2007, 05:22 AM) *

Hi guys,

I have a serious question. popcorn[1].gif

Can a late 1970 914-6 with a 0 after the 914 on the vin # and titled as a 1971 be converted to a factory 1971 M-471 option car????
Example: vin # 91404321?? (late#'s) and titled as 1971 be a real 1971???

Inquiring minds want to know, because I know of a 914-6 that's for sale??? Need answer ASAP.

Wolfgang are you interested?? unsure.gif

Tom


Tom, it might be my lack of knowing english, but unfortunately I didn't get the point of your question - I've no idea what you're asking confused24.gif sad.gif

but the VIN you showed is incomplete

there is always a rumor, that the factory might have built M471 cars in MY'70 (914.0.43.xxxx), but only at special request - not as a standard procedure
remember - they also built the competition cars from the very beginning of the production
BUT - there's no proove yet

for sure - if there is a MY'70 914-6 with the M471 option, I would be the 1st who's interested in boldblue.gif

wavey.gif Gustl


Hi Wolfgang,

I didn't want to list the owners full vin # for security reasons. What I was trying to find out if a late 1970 vin # on an original 6 that sold in 1971 is a true factory 1971?

It was titled with a 1971 title when sold in early to mid 1971 with a 1970 vin #. My question, is it a true 1971?? The reason for asking, I understand the M-471 option is a true factory option from Porsche on 1971 & 72 models only? This car does not have flares or anything M-471, but I am interested if it could be made into a real factory M-471 option car.

Tom

Posted by: Gustl Jul 25 2007, 07:40 AM

o.k. - now it's clear to me

as you know, the
MY'70 started somewhen in August 1969 and lasted to about June 1970
and the
MY'71 started somewhen in August 1970 and lasted to about June 1971
(btw - does anybody know the exact dates ??)

if it has a 914.0.43.xxxx VIN, it should be built before July 1970

a helpful, additional info would be the Karmann body number - with this, we can determine the exact day of the body production

when you tell us, that the car in question was sold in early to mid 1971, I don't think that this will make it a 1971 car
it seems more likely to me, that it was a nonseller


I know a guy, who has a 1968 Renault, which was sold by a Renault dealer in 1976 - that's a real nonseller laugh.gif

wavey.gif Gustl

Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jul 25 2007, 10:30 AM

QUOTE(Gustl @ Jul 25 2007, 05:40 AM) *

o.k. - now it's clear to me

as you know, the
MY'70 started somewhen in August 1969 and lasted to about June 1970
and the
MY'71 started somewhen in August 1970 and lasted to about June 1971
(btw - does anybody know the exact dates ??)

if it has a 914.0.43.xxxx VIN, it should be built before July 1970

a helpful, additional info would be the Karmann body number - with this, we can determine the exact day of the body production

when you tell us, that the car in question was sold in early to mid 1971, I don't think that this will make it a 1971 car
it seems more likely to me, that it was a nonseller


I know a guy, who has a 1968 Renault, which was sold by a Renault dealer in 1976 - that's a real nonseller laugh.gif

wavey.gif Gustl


Hi Gustl.

You are correct, this is really a 1970 that was a nonseller and finally sold in 1971 & titled with a 1971 title. Thank's for your input. You are one of our 914-6 expert students and your knowledge is valuable to this forum. pray.gif Your information was also confirmed by a personal friend (Gary) this morning. I got more information on this car & it will probably surface FS in the classified's soon. I am going to pass for various reasons. Watch for it, it's a repaint black over green & very original with 56K orig. miles. Price ????

Tom



Posted by: Gustl Jul 25 2007, 12:14 PM

QUOTE(Thomas J Bliznik @ Jul 25 2007, 05:30 PM) *
Hi Gustl.

You are correct, this is really a 1970 that was a nonseller and finally sold in 1971 & titled with a 1971 title. Thank's for your input. You are one of our 914-6 expert students and your knowledge is valuable to this forum. pray.gif Your information was also confirmed by a personal friend (Gary) this morning. I got more information on this car & it will probably surface FS in the classified's soon. I am going to pass for various reasons. Watch for it, it's a repaint black over green & very original with 56K orig. miles. Price ????

Tom

Hi Tom,

many thanks for your kind words.

I'd love to see it in the classifieds. If the overall condition is good, I'd expect a price between 30~33k. Although, the repaint in non-original colour might dampen the price?
We'll see ...

wavey.gif Gustl

Posted by: davep Jul 26 2007, 02:37 PM

The VIN is the true indicator of the model year. Date of title means nearly nothing.

Andy, to modify your list, the paint code changed to the VW 914/4 code about 9141430400. There is an exact changeover listed officially, however we all know that the bodies were painted in a different sequence from the VIN. That is why there was a changeover period for the body number styles in 1975 model year.

Posted by: Pat Garvey Jul 26 2007, 08:37 PM

It is so refreshing to see the six people come out ot the woodwork! Please, keep it up. And please - don't forget the nailed areas for pics - please. History here & we don't want to miss it!

Pat

Posted by: mikey Jul 26 2007, 08:45 PM

QUOTE(Gustl @ Jul 25 2007, 12:52 AM) *

QUOTE(mikey @ Jul 25 2007, 08:09 AM) *

I've been told that the original interior mirror on a 914-6 is smaller (like looking through a mail slot) than a 914-4 mirror.


I might be wrong, but AFAIK this is not a "914-4 vs 914-6", but a "early cars vs late cars" thing idea.gif


Verified with John at EASY today... the difference in mirror shape is an "early car vs late car" thing not a "6 vs 4" thing.

Posted by: sixerdon Jul 26 2007, 09:22 PM

OK Guys, I'm back after a long absence. I can discuss the "six" issue until I drop.

Getting back to SirAndy's original statement,"things to look for" when comparing an early original /6 to an early original /4.

Brakes were mentioned as being different. To elaborate further, the /6 has a 19mm MC and the /4's have a 17mm. The /6's have vented front rotors and larger calipers in the front right from the 911T. The /4's are solid rotors and smaller calipers. The rear rotors and calipers on a /6 are larger and unique /6 components. They are not interchangeable with a /4 without a major overhaul.
The e-brake system is shared between the /6 and /4 for the early years.

Visually, don't forget that the steering column on a six is unique to itself. Other than the horn pad everything is different including the 3 speed wiper arm on the right side of the column. The early /4's have a knob on the dash panel.

And we can't forget the gauges. Nothing is shared with any of the /4's.

At the time of introduction, any of the 5-1/2 inch wheels (steel, chrome, Fuchs 14" and Mahle's) supplied by Porsche for a 911 would fit the /6. Remember the best tire size of the day for Porsche was a 185/70.

Also, the transmissions were different. The /6 had 3 different gears. 2nd, 3rd, and 5th.

Everything mentioned here can be found in the 914 factory parts manual.
Enjoy. "There is no substitute"

Don

Posted by: xsurfer Jul 29 2007, 10:56 PM

I believe there is a rubber "anti bump" device on the six engine cover to prevent the trunk from hitting it. Brakes are different, window washing different, Chrome bumpers (back is shaped differently)


Posted by: McMark Jul 29 2007, 11:20 PM

Anti-bump rubber was for all early rain try models.
Angular chrome bumpers were for all 1970 models.

Good thinking though! Gotta catch all those little ones.

Posted by: davep Aug 24 2007, 08:44 PM

The north american cars have the VIN on a plate in the front windshield. The 914/6 numbers are recessed into the plate while the 914/4 numbers are raised.

The dash on the 914/6 had its own serial number similar to the 914/6 body number, while the 914/4 had the same number as the body.

The wiring harness was different due to all the electrical differences, and of course there were differences in the body most due to engine mounting. There was also the hump in the rear trunk if you had the Sportomatic option.

Posted by: SirAndy Aug 24 2007, 10:14 PM

QUOTE(davep @ Aug 24 2007, 06:44 PM) *

There was also the hump in the rear trunk if you had the Sportomatic option.


i don't think that was unique to the /6. the early /4s have the same placeholder where the sporto hump goes and there's factory literature that suggests that the sporto was an option for the /4s as well ...

bye1.gif Andy

Posted by: davep Aug 25 2007, 08:25 AM

Yeah, yeah.

But show me a 914/4 Sportomatic, PLEASE!

I'm pretty sure a prototype was made judging from information in the literature I have. However there is no evidence to suggest even one production car was ever built. We do know that about 25 914/6 had this option.

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On another note, can anyone explain what possible differences a 914/6 front strut would have compared to a 911 front strut? The 914/6 strut had a 914 part #, but why? The 914/6 front suspension was almost completely different from the 914/4. Stuts, A-arms, torsion bars, brake system were the same as or similar to the 911.

Posted by: T H O M A S Sep 4 2007, 08:23 PM

i looked at 4 914/6 and they all had the hole for the airhose in the front trunk
picture of my /6 with the factory plug


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Posted by: T H O M A S Sep 4 2007, 08:25 PM

the /6 drive shaft has less splines,left is /4 ,right is /6


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Posted by: T H O M A S Sep 4 2007, 08:27 PM

/6 cv has a notch ,left is /4 right is /6


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Posted by: T H O M A S Sep 4 2007, 08:29 PM

transmission case on the /6 has a 911 #,same case as 911/01 70 and 71 only


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Posted by: T H O M A S Sep 4 2007, 10:17 PM

the hump is missing on /6 rear calipers ,left is /4 ,right is /6 in this picture


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Posted by: MoveQik Sep 19 2007, 05:38 PM

Ignition key location?

Posted by: sixerdon Sep 19 2007, 07:28 PM

QUOTE(MoveQik @ Sep 19 2007, 03:38 PM) *

Ignition key location?


Yes, indeed. The ignition switch is on the dash to the left of the steering column for '70 & '71 sixes. Unless you own a rare '72 six with the switch back on the column.

Don

Posted by: Pat Garvey Sep 19 2007, 08:00 PM

QUOTE(davep @ Aug 24 2007, 08:44 PM) *

The north american cars have the VIN on a plate in the front windshield. The 914/6 numbers are recessed into the plate while the 914/4 numbers are raised.



This is so interesting! Very logical too.

Never picked that out before!

This thread may be "oh, yeah, I know that" to sixers, but me, a "fourer", it is a very good education!

Thanks guys & keep it coming!

Pat

Posted by: mel reckling May 12 2008, 08:26 AM

QUOTE(sixerdon @ Sep 19 2007, 05:28 PM) *

QUOTE(MoveQik @ Sep 19 2007, 03:38 PM) *

Ignition key location?


Yes, indeed. The ignition switch is on the dash to the left of the steering column for '70 & '71 sixes. Unless you own a rare '72 six with the switch back on the column.

Don


One of them 72s you speak of.




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Posted by: 6freak May 12 2008, 09:52 AM

QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Jul 23 2007, 04:40 PM) *

QUOTE(Johny Blackstain @ Jul 23 2007, 03:27 PM) *

antenna = radio? What kind if I may ask?


It appears that most early 914s, /4 or /6, had a radio/antenna installed by the dealer. I can't remember seing an original early car that didn't have a Hirschman antenna, if one was installed. I'd imagine that the P+A dealer would be more likely to put a Blaupunkt or Becker radio in a /6, as opposed to the dealer installed Motorola that came in my /4.

Paul

My 1970 914-6 as no radio therefor no antenna no holes for it and the dash weave thingy is one solid piece from the colume too the glove box (no seams).One hole for the lighter and a square hole for the heater controls. I heard that was rare??flag.gif

Posted by: 6freak May 12 2008, 09:55 AM

QUOTE(T H O M A S @ Sep 4 2007, 09:17 PM) *

the hump is missing on /6 rear calipers ,left is /4 ,right is /6 in this picture


Double bleeders on the 4 model!!!

Posted by: Lavanaut Jun 10 2008, 02:02 PM

Didn't see that anyone had yet mentioned the fact the that Fours have the "hub-centric" rotor, with the integrated hub/rotor assembly. Hopefully I've got that terminology correct...

Quick aside ~ I'm looking for a thread similar to this, but one that compares the differences of the Sixes across the '70-'72 model years. Does one exist?

thanks

Posted by: 70Sixter Jun 10 2008, 02:35 PM

Try RoadGlue. There is a lot of historical info. And a list of known -6s.

Posted by: 6freak Jun 10 2008, 03:11 PM

QUOTE(mel reckling @ May 12 2008, 07:26 AM) *

QUOTE(sixerdon @ Sep 19 2007, 05:28 PM) *

QUOTE(MoveQik @ Sep 19 2007, 03:38 PM) *

Ignition key location?


Yes, indeed. The ignition switch is on the dash to the left of the steering column for '70 & '71 sixes. Unless you own a rare '72 six with the switch back on the column.

Don


One of them 72s you speak of.

.how can you tell thats a 72-6 i sure cant confused24.gif

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jun 10 2008, 03:28 PM

QUOTE(6freak @ Jun 10 2008, 01:11 PM) *

How can you tell thats a 72-6 i sure cant confused24.gif


The car that's depicted is Mel's, he owns the '72 /6. Further clues include the higher redline tach and the combo gauge just to the left of the aforementioned rev counter.

Paul

Posted by: davep Jun 11 2008, 10:37 AM

QUOTE(Lavanaut @ Jun 10 2008, 12:02 PM) *

Didn't see that anyone had yet mentioned the fact the that Fours have the "hub-centric" rotor, with the integrated hub/rotor assembly.

The front suspension in the 914/6 is substantially different from the 914/4. The 911T donated the front suspension for the 914/6. The 914/4 used a strut design that was somewhat similar, but the brakes were VW411, the A-arms & torsion bars used a different spline count, and the steering rack was very similar. Ball joints and tierod ends were 911.
The 914/4 rotor (VW411) combined the hub and bearings. There were three versions of the rotor: early and mid were not hub-centric, the last one was. Mid and late had a different offset from the early version; this matched the changes to the front strut, ball joint & calipers in very late 1972 MY. Late calipers had two bleed screws and thicker pads. The thicker pads required the rotor to be set out a little farther. The introduction of hub-centric required modifications to many rims as well.

Posted by: carr914 Jun 13 2008, 09:15 PM

Engine lid had smaller diameter (lighter) torsion springs since no drip tray. Rare to get Factory installed radio/antenna on 70's (1 of mine has it). Although it has been said that a Heated/Tinted rear window did not exist. Mine has it.

T.C.

Posted by: Eric_Shea Jun 13 2008, 10:23 PM

QUOTE
Double bleeders on the 4 model!!!


Only the later -4's (73-76) had double bleeder.

Posted by: Eric_Shea Jun 13 2008, 10:24 PM

QUOTE
Didn't see that anyone had yet mentioned the fact the that Fours have the "hub-centric" rotor, with the integrated hub/rotor assembly


Only the later -4's (73-76) had "hub-centric" rotor.

Posted by: 6freak Jun 20 2008, 02:52 PM

QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Jun 13 2008, 09:24 PM) *

QUOTE
Didn't see that anyone had yet mentioned the fact the that Fours have the "hub-centric" rotor, with the integrated hub/rotor assembly


Only the later -4's (73-76) had "hub-centric" rotor.


So i have two ? whats HUB-centric rotor and did all 914have the vinyl sail panels i see so many without the vinyle panel and i was told they all came with the panels covered confused24.gif

Posted by: Eric_Shea Jun 24 2008, 03:37 PM

QUOTE
whats HUB-centric rotor


A rotor with a circular ridge to center the front wheel. Later model 911 rears have this on the hub as well.

QUOTE
did all 914have the vinyl sail panels


No. I'd be willing to bet 90% or more came with the vinyl but LE's and others came without. Vinyl was considered an option but... again, almost all cars came with it (statistically).

Posted by: 6freak Jun 24 2008, 03:39 PM

QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Jun 24 2008, 02:37 PM) *

QUOTE
whats HUB-centric rotor


A rotor with a circular ridge to center the front wheel. Later model 911 rears have this on the hub as well.

QUOTE
did all 914have the vinyl sail panels


No. I'd be willing to bet 90% or more came with the vinyl but LE's and others came without. Vinyl was considered an option but... again, almost all cars came with it (statistically).



still learning every day thanks

Posted by: smontanaro Jul 12 2008, 06:29 AM

QUOTE(6freak @ May 12 2008, 10:52 AM) *
My 1970 914-6 as no radio therefor no antenna no holes for it and the dash weave thingy is one solid piece from the colume too the glove box (no seams).One hole for the lighter and a square hole for the heater controls. I heard that was rare??


I don't know how rare it is, but my /6 also apparently never had a radio. It's as you describe and the speaker boxes are empty.

Skip


Posted by: 6freak Jul 23 2008, 01:14 PM

QUOTE(smontanaro @ Jul 12 2008, 05:29 AM) *

QUOTE(6freak @ May 12 2008, 10:52 AM) *
My 1970 914-6 as no radio therefor no antenna no holes for it and the dash weave thingy is one solid piece from the colume too the glove box (no seams).One hole for the lighter and a square hole for the heater controls. I heard that was rare??


I don't know how rare it is, but my /6 also apparently never had a radio. It's as you describe and the speaker boxes are empty.

Skip


Speaker box`s are empty on mine as well .....and the steering wheel is not strait (as in square with the dash)its got something to do with the 911 steering column.And the real 70 six`s have a windshield washer pump.Not the spear tire air pressure supply! at least mine does and it works

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 25 2008, 03:11 PM

QUOTE(6freak @ Jul 23 2008, 11:14 AM) *

and the steering wheel is not strait (as in square with the dash)its got something to do with the 911 steering column.

*not* specific to the /6 ... all 914 steering columns are mounted in a slight angle ...
bye1.gif Andy

Posted by: 6freak Jul 25 2008, 03:30 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 25 2008, 02:11 PM) *

QUOTE(6freak @ Jul 23 2008, 11:14 AM) *

and the steering wheel is not strait (as in square with the dash)its got something to do with the 911 steering column.

*not* specific to the /6 ... all 914 steering columns are mounted in a slight angle ...
bye1.gif Andy


Thats not what i heard confused24.gif but i could be wrong i have been b4...anyone else

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jul 25 2008, 07:47 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 25 2008, 01:11 PM) *


*not* specific to the /6 ... all 914 steering columns are mounted in a slight angle ...
bye1.gif Andy


Sir Andy is correct, the top of the instrument cowl is not parallel to the steering wheel plane.


Paul


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Posted by: mikez Jul 26 2008, 10:08 AM

OK, two questions....leather was the 914/6 dash...what's the material behind it under the windshield? Vinyl?

Also, 15x5.5 inch wheels...what's the stock tire size?

Posted by: Gustl Jul 26 2008, 10:47 AM

QUOTE(mikez @ Jul 26 2008, 05:08 PM) *

Also, 15x5.5 inch wheels...what's the stock tire size?

165 HR 15

Posted by: mikez Jul 26 2008, 10:56 AM

Yer kidding? That's what they used on the 4.5 wheels, right?

BTW, if in Germany does the TUV require stock sized tires?

Posted by: mikey Jul 26 2008, 11:50 AM

QUOTE(mikez @ Jul 26 2008, 09:08 AM) *

OK, two questions....leather was the 914/6 dash...what's the material behind it under the windshield? Vinyl?


My original 914-6 didn't have leather on or anywhere near the dash. Might have been an option? - I don't know.

The material behind the dash is vinyl.

Posted by: Gustl Jul 26 2008, 12:43 PM

QUOTE(mikez @ Jul 26 2008, 05:56 PM) *

Yer kidding? That's what they used on the 4.5 wheels, right?

NO - there were no 4.5 wheels on the 914-6

factory original wheel combos were:
165 HR 15 on 5.5 x 15 steel rims (standard)
165 HR 15 on 5.5 x 15 chromed steel wheels (option M976)
165 HR 15 on 5.5 x 15 Mahle Gasburners (option M485)

185 HR 14 on 5.5 x 14 Fuchs alloys (option M975)

especially for the M471 cars:
185/70-15 on 6 x 15 Fuchs "deep six" alloys

and especially for the 916 cars:
185/70-15 on 7 x 15 Fuchs alloys

bye1.gif Gustl

Posted by: Gustl Jul 26 2008, 12:47 PM

QUOTE(mikez @ Jul 26 2008, 05:56 PM) *

BTW, if in Germany does the TUV require stock sized tires?

AFAIK German TÜV is very liberal - they could use almost everything ...

Austrian TÜV is very close to originality
they're not very tolerant
maybe if you personally know the technician at the TÜV - but not as a standard procedure ...

bye1.gif Gustl

Posted by: mikez Jul 26 2008, 12:58 PM

Thanks Gustl.....I meant on the 356 models with 4.5 wheels.....

Wider wheels mean wider tires in most cases....one would assume.

BTW, offline, via email...would you give me an idea what you paid for your 914/6?

356@cox.net

We plan on exporting one and would like to get an idea what they are bringing back in the Fatherland....

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 28 2008, 05:23 PM

QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Jul 25 2008, 05:47 PM) *

Sir Andy is correct, the top of the instrument cowl is not parallel to the steering wheel plane.


actually, what i meant is left/right not up/down. up/down is obvious, left/right not so much.

*All* 914 steering columns are in a slight angle to the left ...
bye1.gif Andy

Posted by: Gustl Jul 29 2008, 01:17 AM

you can see it at this photo (Tapiro = 914-6)



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Posted by: 6freak Jul 29 2008, 09:41 AM

QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Jul 25 2008, 06:47 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 25 2008, 01:11 PM) *


*not* specific to the /6 ... all 914 steering columns are mounted in a slight angle ...
bye1.gif Andy


Sir Andy is correct, the top of the instrument cowl is not parallel to the steering wheel plane.


Paul


Maybe its the car thats crooked and the steering wheel is strait av-943.gif Next ? what about the washer pump i know some had it supplyed by the spare tire..And i dont think my dash is leather i think its the same material as the door panels and the rear fire wall pad?? Thanks for being UP on the wheel Andy ..soda speak laugh.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 29 2008, 06:32 PM

QUOTE(6freak @ Jul 29 2008, 07:41 AM) *

what about the washer pump


Washer Pump is /6 only ...

Tech TIP of the day: Don't pay stupendous prices for an original 914/6 washer pump. A 911 washer pump from the same period looks surprisingly similar to the /6 pump at a fraction of the cost ...

bye1.gif Andy

Posted by: 6freak Jul 30 2008, 08:21 AM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 29 2008, 05:32 PM) *

QUOTE(6freak @ Jul 29 2008, 07:41 AM) *

what about the washer pump


Washer Pump is /6 only ...

Tech TIP of the day: Don't pay stupendous prices for an original 914/6 washer pump. A 911 washer pump from the same period looks surprisingly similar to the /6 pump at a fraction of the cost ...

bye1.gif Andy

good to know ...Thanks Andy

Posted by: johannes Jul 31 2008, 01:34 PM

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Don't pay stupendous prices for an original 914/6 washer pump. A 911 washer pump from the same period looks surprisingly similar to the /6 pump at a fraction of the cost ...


Don't pay stupendous prices for an original 914/6. A 914/4 from the same period looks surprisingly similar to the /6 at a fraction of the cost ... av-943.gif

Posted by: Justin Fischer Aug 4 2008, 03:30 PM

Anyone mentioned the shift linkage differences between -4 and -6 tailshifters:
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Posted by: davep Aug 8 2008, 02:39 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 29 2008, 04:32 PM) *

Tech TIP of the day: Don't pay stupendous prices for an original 914/6 washer pump. A 911 washer pump from the same period looks surprisingly similar to the /6 pump at a fraction of the cost ...

I believe the VW Rabbit also used a similar pump. I picked up a few while working as a VW parts jockey back about 1985.

Posted by: dug Jun 26 2009, 09:55 PM

There are some more minor front suspension differences that I have noticed with four and six parts side by side. The six cross member has a squared off end at the adjusting screw locations, while the vw made four parts are round. The six A-arms are made by porsche and therefore have the triangle-P logo on them. Even the front and rear bushing carriers that mount the A-arm to the car have the triangle-P logo and have nicer looking edges and welds. The torsion bars on a six have the L and R markings cast into the ends, while the four parts have them stamped in the end. The steering rack is different as well.

I am in no way saying that the -4 parts are functionally inferior in any way. VW just produced them on a 10x larger scale than Porsche and so found little ways to make them more efficiently (cheaper?). I haven't put the A-arms on a scale yet, but they feel identical.

Posted by: Bullethead Jun 27 2010, 09:28 PM

I recently purchased a clean 1970 914/6 roller from a well-known Porsche restorer, with what appear to be factory installed GT flares. While I'm waiting on the kardex, can anyone explain why the Karmann tag would be missing the body number, and only show two digits of the paint code? I've found examples of this
on GTs, per this photo. All body panel numbers (including hand-written ones) match with the VIN stampings, tags and door decal. Thanks for the clarification
if there is one!


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Posted by: Mr.242 Jun 27 2010, 10:30 PM

QUOTE(carr914 @ Jun 13 2008, 08:15 PM) *

Engine lid had smaller diameter (lighter) torsion springs since no drip tray. Rare to get Factory installed radio/antenna on 70's (1 of mine has it). Although it has been said that a Heated/Tinted rear window did not exist. Mine has it.

T.C.


My dad's 914-6 has the rear window defroster too! Mine does not.

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Posted by: Gustl Jun 27 2010, 11:01 PM

QUOTE(Bullethead @ Jun 28 2010, 04:28 AM) *

... with what appear to be factory installed GT flares.

what makes you think so?


QUOTE(Bullethead @ Jun 28 2010, 04:28 AM) *

... can anyone explain why the Karmann tag would be missing the body number, and only show two digits of the paint code? ...

that's exactly the way it has to be on a factory /6




btw - what's the VIN of this car?


and


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Posted by: smg914 Jun 27 2010, 11:23 PM

QUOTE(Bullethead @ Jun 27 2010, 07:28 PM) *

I recently purchased a clean 1970 914/6 roller from a well-known Porsche restorer, with what appear to be factory installed GT flares. While I'm waiting on the kardex, can anyone explain why the Karmann tag would be missing the body number, and only show two digits of the paint code? I've found examples of this
on GTs, per this photo. All body panel numbers (including hand-written ones) match with the VIN stampings, tags and door decal. Thanks for the clarification
if there is one!

914-6's were made by Porsche and 914-4's were made at the Karmann factory. That is why your 914-6 doesn't have a chassis number on the Karmann tag.

All 1970-71 914-6's show a 2 digit paint number on the door jam tag.

Unless your 1970 914-6 is a factory GT, your six more than likely didn't originally have flares. You would know if your car was a real factory GT (many interior differences, front oil cooler, engine, unique engine lid, 100 liter gas tank, etc. etc. etc.). All the flared bodied 914-6's produced in 1970 were GT's. The 914-6 M471 optioned (homologation, Street GT's) were only available in model years 1971 and 1972.

Posted by: Bullethead Jun 29 2010, 10:36 PM

Thank you, Steve and Wolfgang. Finally found B. Johnson's 914-6 resto guide and authenticity book my wife got me a couple of years ago, a big help. The car was steam-cleaned today in prep for disassembly, will take some photos this week to post. There is no cooler now but the front pan has a louvered floor. The flares were skillfully butt welded... both front and rear decklids have been replaced; they are different colors. The tach is missing as well, replaced with a 914-4 unit. What interior pieces there are seem to have been to someone's taste, brown cord-insert seats and wooden dash inserts. It has 908 front brakes, but the bumpers are chrome. There's still some stuff to collect from the seller. Regardless of how it got the mods, my intention is to build a GT clone.

VIN #9140431396 was built 4/70 and is 1410 Signal Orange.

While waiting for info on the car I posted the VIN here and found a Texas member had already, so assume he was a PO. He hasn't yet responded to a PM sent and unfortunately listed no email address. The Arkanas title is from 1997 but I didn't find that person's name in the membership rolls. If anyone knows of this car, any history available is appreciated.

Much obliged, looking forward to learning more about these great Porsches, and patiently building an accurate example of the GT.

Posted by: smg914 Jun 29 2010, 11:02 PM

You're probably aware of this website but just in case your not.....

http://www.pbase.com/9146gt

The best 914-6 GT website on the net.

Posted by: Gustl Jun 30 2010, 08:59 AM

QUOTE(Bullethead @ Jun 30 2010, 05:36 AM) *

If anyone knows of this car, any history available is appreciated.


this car sold via eBay on August 26, 2007

here's the vehicle description from the auction:
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This is a factory 914-6 # 1396 manufactured April 1970. It has factory steel flares and was raced for a number of years before going into storage. I don’t know the extent of its racing history, however there are IMSA, SCCA and PCA stickers on the windshield. The previous owner was an active member of the Porsche community, but I have been unable to get in touch with him to get more history on the car.

My plan was to restore it to be street legal with factory racer look. While there is currently no drivetrain, it does include very hard to find items like the factory 914-6 oil tank, factory 914-6 oil cooler, and factory engine mount, as pictured. The car also comes with freshly rechromed front and rear bumpers. The bumper tops are just ok.

When the car was retired many of the race spec parts were removed, like the fiberglass hood and deck lids, so they have been replaced with stock steel parts, and were given a quick coat of orange. The pedal assembly, calipers, and rear rotors were also removed. Replacements are readily available. The only part that would be difficult to find are the original rear calipers, but later 911 calipers are very affordable and perform much better. The master cylinder is still there, as well as front rotors, and stainless brake lines. It also has turbo tie rods. There is an adjustable proportioning valve that’s still in the center tunnel.

The body is very straight and the doors both open and close easily. It looks like someone started sanding it down for a repaint. There were a couple spots where the paint/primer got thin, so I hit those areas with orange paint just to keep corrosion at bay until it was time to restore it. The only ding worth mentioning is towards the front of the hood on the passenger’s side, and it’s small.

While the car is solid, there was a repair done to the passenger’s side longitudinal that is clearly non-factory. The work appears to have been done a long time ago, and perhaps the factory repair panels were not available at the time. In any event, I’ve included pictures of the area in question, and I would personally consider replacing the section with a factory piece from restoration design or from a donor car. The door gap and alignment is excellent, and while a bit creative, it has evidently been strong enough to withstand the rigors of racing. It’s hard to tell if it was replaced as a result of corrosion like most of them have, or as a result of an accident. If I had to guess I’d say probably an accident, as the car does not
appear to have been particularly rusty.

I did find a little bit of rust in the front trunk, where the wiring harness exits the firewall (see pic) and it appears to be fairly minor. There is a small spot at the bottom of the windshield on the driver's side where some pitting took place, but the steel is still solid. There's a small area on the pass. fender, near where an antanna hole would be where some filler was used. I don't know if it was related to corrosion or not, but worth mentioning.

I would strongly suggest removing all the suspension and inspecting all the load bearing mounting points, as they are subject to fatigue with track use, and even with spirited road use. I would personally consider doing a chemical dip/strip on the entire chassis. That way it reveals the good, the bad, and the ugly.

The 914-6 is finally going up enough in value that it makes financial sense to do a thorough restoration. With the chassis stripped it would be fairly straight forward to graft in any needed parts from a nice west coast donor car. It’s not uncommon to see a solid 914-4 chassis sell for a few hundred dollars and provide all the necessary factory sheet metal. The two other areas I noticed were a small repair in the front left corner under the head light that was pretty well done and the sheet metal apron behind the rear bumper looks to have been bent up at some point and then straightened. Access is very good and it would be easy to repair.

The rear spoiler is not currently mounted, and no holes have been drilled in the lid. The wheels are factory forged 15x8’s in the rear, and 15x7 pseudo fuchs in the front. The front targa seal is in nice condition, as are the side seals on the targa bar. The wiring looks to be in very good condition. The rear valance and rocker panels are stock steel pieces. The oil tank should be cleaned by a radiator shop before use, but appears in excellent condition. The oil cooler has been cleaned and pressure tested, so should be fine to use as is.

The interior is really quite nice and in good condition. Obviously no carpets, but the car still retains the factory non-movable passenger seat. I should also note that the car still has the correct 914-6 steering wheel. These wheels are sought after by the 911 crowd to make a correct 911 RS wheel. They typically sell between $350 and $500 unrestored, and are very difficult to find. The part number is 914.347.803.10 and is dated 10/69.

The rear wheel bearings were just replace using new FAG bearings. The hubs and stub axles were converted to use the more commonly available 914-4 CV joints and axles. The 914-6 joints have been unavailable for some time. Both joints are the same size, but have a different axle spline count. The stub axles have been torqued to 225 ft lbs. The bearings were replaced because someone didn’t realize the stub axle has to be in and torqued to prevent the bearings form being damaged when the car is moved.

I guess that about covers it. I’ve taken pictures of all the areas I’d like to see if I was looking at a car in person. The life of a race car is not an easy one, but this one should be pretty easy to bring back to life. It’s not uncommon to see vintage racers where the vin plate is the only thing left of the original car. There is a lot of debate as to whether those cars are really worth the financial premium they command considering there isn’t much left of the original chassis.
Fortunately this car isn’t in that category.

With a little sweat equity, this car should make a lot of financial sense for whoever finishes it. While the chassis will need some work, it’s still considerably better than doing the extensive rust repair than so many 914’s need. Please let me know if you have any questions, I’ll do my best to answer in a timely manner. I always suggest inspecting a car in person, but I know that’s not always possible, so I’ve taken lots of pictures. If you or a friend would like to inspect the car I’ll do my best to accommodate your schedule.

The car has a clean and clear title. I’ll be happy to work with a shipping company if the buyer makes the arrangements. I’ll also offer to transport the car for about $1 per loaded mile. That means $275 to Phoenix or LA, $500 to the Bay Area, etc. I hope that helps. Of course the car will have to be paid for in full prior to being loaded on a transport or me delivering it. A cashier’s check is probably the most common form of payment, but I’ll have to cash it before releasing the vehicle or title. I’ll be happy to take cash in person should that be preferable. I can give plenty of references of people I’ve both bought and sold high dollar items to.

My feedback and ultimately your satisfaction are very important to me, so please only bid if you are a serious buyer. I take my responsibilities seriously, please do the same.

If you are new to ebay, please contact me and I’ll do my best to walk you through it and explain the process. I do reserve the right to cancel any bids I feel may compromise the integrity of the auction, and to end the auction early should a
local sale occur.
Thanks, and good luck

Posted by: Bullethead Jul 4 2010, 12:34 AM

QUOTE(smg914 @ Jun 30 2010, 01:02 AM) *

You're probably aware of this website but just in case your not.....

http://www.pbase.com/9146gt

The best 914-6 GT website on the net.


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Without a doubt! Have emailed Armando about some details and parts, glad there are folks like him around.
Thanks, Wolfgang... really appreciate the sales link & photos. Looks exactly as I bought it.

Accumulating GT specific parts for now, will start the chassis mods and paint prep soon and post them to a build thread.
Here's the manual headlight accuators, purchased from a gentleman in Austria. He has a couple of sets if anyone is interested... PM me for his contact info.
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Posted by: Bullethead Jul 21 2010, 05:54 PM

Recently bought a couple of cheap steering wheels, both with 914 part numbers. The hub extensions are different... which is correct for 914/6?
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The wheel currently on the car has the full horn covering, and is not pictured. As shown above one of these wheels came with the hockey puck.
I believe from the date, that wheel is also correct for 911RS. The leather cleaned up very nicely.

Thanks in advance...

Posted by: Gustl Jul 21 2010, 10:27 PM

QUOTE(Bullethead @ Jul 22 2010, 12:54 AM) *

... one of these wheels came with the hockey puck.

wow - you're the lucky dog of the day !!! clap56.gif

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Posted by: dug Jan 22 2011, 10:18 AM

Several have mentioned all the front end differences, but everyone leaves out the cross member. I have two complete 914-6 front ends. Both have front cross members that differ from 4 cylinder ones that I have. At the ends where the A-arm adjusters are inserted, the six parts are squared off, while the 4 cylinder parts are rounded. Sorry I don't have a photo.

Posted by: porbmw Feb 7 2011, 06:01 PM

This may have been covered somewhere already. If so, sorry.

I am hunting for carpet for my 1970 6 (710). Have wanted to get as close to OEM as possible. One possibility (I thought) would have been OEM. For example, AA has a drivers OEM carpet, advertised as 914 914-6 factory new nos drivers carpet.

Knew I couldn't afford OEM (if you have to ask, you can't afford it), but thought I'd at least ask AA what they had that was their next best thing.

Their response.

The 1970 914-6 is unique re interior carpet. It came with PERLON felt, like the front and rear trunks. The LOOP carpet (as per their item advertised) was for 914s 1970-74, and 914-6s, 71 and 72.

Is there anybody out there with OEM carpet for a 1970 914-6.....I'm sure that AA is on, re facts, but very peculiar....

Is perlon less, or more, durable than loop (although I'll have to go with what is closest to factory....) I would have thought the first year 6 would get a product superior to the 4s...(sorry, 914 owners...just a reflection of sticker price on the car)

Thanks

Posted by: racerbvd Apr 3 2011, 06:15 PM

QUOTE(porbmw @ Feb 7 2011, 04:01 PM) *

This may have been covered somewhere already. If so, sorry.

I am hunting for carpet for my 1970 6 (710). Have wanted to get as close to OEM as possible. One possibility (I thought) would have been OEM. For example, AA has a drivers OEM carpet, advertised as 914 914-6 factory new nos drivers carpet.

Knew I couldn't afford OEM (if you have to ask, you can't afford it), but thought I'd at least ask AA what they had that was their next best thing.

Their response.

The 1970 914-6 is unique re interior carpet. It came with PERLON felt, like the front and rear trunks. The LOOP carpet (as per their item advertised) was for 914s 1970-74, and 914-6s, 71 and 72.

Is there anybody out there with OEM carpet for a 1970 914-6.....I'm sure that AA is on, re facts, but very peculiar....

Is perlon less, or more, durable than loop (although I'll have to go with what is closest to factory....) I would have thought the first year 6 would get a product superior to the 4s...(sorry, 914 owners...just a reflection of sticker price on the car)

Thanks

We are in the same boat, the guy who is doing most of the rest-o on our "six" says he can match the factory carpet.
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Posted by: McMark Apr 21 2011, 04:31 PM

QUOTE(dug @ Jan 22 2011, 09:18 AM) *

Several have mentioned all the front end differences, but everyone leaves out the cross member. I have two complete 914-6 front ends. Both have front cross members that differ from 4 cylinder ones that I have. At the ends where the A-arm adjusters are inserted, the six parts are squared off, while the 4 cylinder parts are rounded. Sorry I don't have a photo.

I do! And the pictures are even of your crossmember. tongue.gif
The adjusting screw is different (allen versus hex) and the torsion bar has the arrow embossed instead of stamped.


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Posted by: SirAndy Apr 22 2011, 03:22 PM

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I do!

Well, at least the dirty looks the same on the /4 and the /6 ... biggrin.gif

Posted by: JMKnight Nov 22 2011, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 22 2007, 04:40 PM) *

i'll start ... biggrin.gif

- it should have a flat /6, 2.0L motor (doh!)
- firewall center engine mount
- no /4 mounts
- factory oil-tank
- different relay board
- "hook" for the oil-line on drivers side rear long
- 911 style ignition switch and column for '70/'71 models
- *no* hole in the front trunk for the /4 air hose to the spare tire
- black "tar" around the front upper shock towers
- different windshield washer bottle
- electric washer pump
- real 5-lug axles
- "914-6" badge
- handthrottle in front of the shifter
- different throttle cable routing, using a tranny mounted pivot
- different paint code on the karman badge
- different VIN, starting with "914" (doh! again)
- no rain-tray under engine lid.
- Dash top has no center vent


- "dogbone" pass. side footrest (did early /4s have those too?) - Yes
- different center console (did early /4s have those too?) - Yes


what else?
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Rear valance has a hole in which the exaust pipe pokes through, rather than a slot like on the 4's!

Posted by: 6freak Nov 22 2011, 09:11 AM

rear bumpers?? i do believe...


wireing harness for the intire car.....color codes

and the 6 wheel base is actually wider then the 4 .....if memory serves its 3mm wider...cause of the brake hubs off the 911 ??????I THINK

Posted by: Lavanaut Nov 22 2011, 09:17 AM

QUOTE(6freak @ Nov 22 2011, 08:11 AM) *

rear bumpers?? i do believe...

Rear bumpers were different on very early cars (MY '70 and at least part of '71), but this was true of both the 4s and the 6s.

Posted by: 6freak Nov 22 2011, 11:17 AM

QUOTE(Lavanaut @ Nov 22 2011, 07:17 AM) *

QUOTE(6freak @ Nov 22 2011, 08:11 AM) *

rear bumpers?? i do believe...

Rear bumpers were different on very early cars (MY '70 and at least part of '71), but this was true of both the 4s and the 6s.

RIGHT ON smile.gif

did the 4 s come with a red valet key??

Posted by: eric9144 Nov 22 2011, 02:10 PM

QUOTE(6freak @ Nov 22 2011, 09:17 AM) *

RIGHT ON smile.gif

did the 4 s come with a red valet key??


Yes

Posted by: pete000 Dec 27 2011, 10:52 AM

Not sure if it was mentioned, I did not see it.

The early 914 glove box door pull is smaller on my 70 914-6.


Posted by: sixerdon Dec 27 2011, 08:18 PM

QUOTE(pete000 @ Dec 27 2011, 08:52 AM) *

Not sure if it was mentioned, I did not see it.

The early 914 glove box door pull is smaller on my 70 914-6.


They are the same on /4's & /6's for '70 & '71.
Don

Posted by: 6freak Dec 28 2011, 07:23 AM

wheel base is wider.... by 4MM

Posted by: ArtechnikA Dec 28 2011, 08:44 AM

QUOTE(6freak @ Dec 28 2011, 08:23 AM) *

wheel base is wider.... by 4MM

track.
(wheel base is distance from front wheel center to rear wheel center.)

Posted by: 6freak Dec 28 2011, 11:18 AM

QUOTE(ArtechnikA @ Dec 28 2011, 06:44 AM) *

QUOTE(6freak @ Dec 28 2011, 08:23 AM) *

wheel base is wider.... by 4MM

track.
(wheel base is distance from front wheel center to rear wheel center.)

ok works for me smile.gif

Posted by: sixerdon Dec 28 2011, 04:33 PM

QUOTE(6freak @ Dec 28 2011, 09:18 AM) *

QUOTE(ArtechnikA @ Dec 28 2011, 06:44 AM) *

QUOTE(6freak @ Dec 28 2011, 08:23 AM) *

wheel base is wider.... by 4MM

track.
(wheel base is distance from front wheel center to rear wheel center.)

ok works for me smile.gif


There are actually two "track" dimensions for any vehicle......Front & Rear. The factory spec comparing 914/4 vs. 914/6 were as follows;
Front Rear
914/4 1341 mm 1377 mm
914/6 1361 mm 1382 mm

The differences were due to "stock" wheel width (4-1/2" vs 5-1/2") and the /6 having vented discs up front.
The spec changed again when the /4's got 5-1/2" wheels;
1343 mm 1383 mm
Keep in mind this information is when they were new with stock equipment.

Don


Posted by: sixerdon Jan 8 2012, 09:41 AM

A few other notable dimensions:
The overall height of the /6 was higher than the /4.
Factory specs were;
Height (unladen)
/6 = 48.4"
/4 = 48.0" (thru '72)
Ground Clearance (loaded):
/6 = 5.4"
/4 = 4.7" (thru '72)

The dimensions for the /4 changed beginning in '73.

Don

Posted by: pete000 Jul 27 2012, 08:29 PM

I did not see it mentioned. Did all the early 914's receive the white head light surrounds. I have seen it mentioned on othe fourms the six cars got black??

I have seen several early photos of six cars with white lamp surrounds.

I assumed the black ones came later?

Posted by: mikey Jul 27 2012, 08:53 PM

QUOTE(pete000 @ Jul 27 2012, 07:29 PM) *

I did not see it mentioned. Did all the early 914's receive the white head light surrounds. I have seen it mentioned on othe fourms the six cars got black??



Mine are original and they're tan/beige, not white.

Posted by: tod914 Jul 27 2012, 08:55 PM

Black surrounds came out in mid 1973.

Posted by: 6freak Jul 27 2012, 10:29 PM

QUOTE(mikey @ Jul 27 2012, 07:53 PM) *

QUOTE(pete000 @ Jul 27 2012, 07:29 PM) *

I did not see it mentioned. Did all the early 914's receive the white head light surrounds. I have seen it mentioned on othe fourms the six cars got black??



Mine are original and they're tan/beige, not white.

Mine are original and they`re white, not tan/beige.... lol-2.gif

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Posted by: pete000 Jul 28 2012, 01:15 AM

Its interesting on the internet how some spout off facts, but they are actually quite clueless.

I had an idea all the early 914s including the sixes were white or now aged off white...!

Posted by: 6freak Jul 29 2012, 09:25 AM

QUOTE(pete000 @ Jul 28 2012, 12:15 AM) *

Its interesting on the internet how some spout off facts, but they are actually quite clueless.

I had an idea all the early 914s including the sixes were white or now aged off white...!


Did you just call me clueless!....If so why??...and that`s not very nice
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Posted by: ArtechnikA Jul 29 2012, 10:07 AM

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Did you just call me clueless!

Not unless you were one of the ones claiming /6's got back headlight surrounds...

QUOTE
I have seen it mentioned on othe fourms the six cars got black??

Posted by: 6freak Jul 29 2012, 11:03 AM

QUOTE(ArtechnikA @ Jul 29 2012, 09:07 AM) *

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Did you just call me clueless!

Not unless you were one of the ones claiming /6's got back headlight surrounds...

QUOTE
I have seen it mentioned on othe fourms the six cars got black??


My bad slap.gif .. I should have read farther back
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Posted by: Pat Garvey Aug 1 2012, 06:33 PM

OK, with the bickering removed, let's just come to the realization that ALL 914's thru 1973 had white headlight surrouds. Four or Six didn't matter - white.

Undoubtedly, many white surroubds have been altered in hue by age and UV, but they were once bone white.

No exceptions known.

BTW, the yellowed white surrounds are easily restored.

Posted by: 6freak Aug 1 2012, 09:43 PM

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BTW, the yellowed white surrounds are easily restored.

How?...would`nt hurt to make mine look new again
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Posted by: rhodyguy Aug 3 2012, 10:10 AM

mike, go mclendon's and buy some "30second Miracle" cleaner. wash both surrounds lightly with detergent and put them both, yes at the same time, in a bucket with a diluted solution. make sure they are COMPLETELY covered. rinse and check every 5 minutes or so and swish them around. really rinse them well when they are white enough for you. the surrounds will look great.

k

Posted by: tumamilhem Nov 19 2012, 09:50 AM

QUOTE(Johny Blackstain @ Jul 22 2007, 10:58 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 22 2007, 11:43 PM) *

Tool kit - what are the differences?


tool kit for the six from previous post. 65-70 911 tool kit w/ 914 towing eye added.


I don't have the factory tool kit for my car, but would like to put one together. If yours is complete, can you please tell me everything that came with the tool kit?

I have a 1975 914 (that I am selling in the classifieds (http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=197510&st=0&gopid=1769486&#entry1769486) and obtaining a 1974. Thank you! beerchug.gif

Posted by: DM71SIX Mar 9 2013, 05:00 PM

QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Jul 23 2007, 11:35 AM) *

QUOTE(BS Chairman @ Jul 23 2007, 11:14 AM) *

QUOTE(Jasfsmith @ Jul 23 2007, 10:03 AM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 22 2007, 08:40 PM) *

i'll start ... biggrin.gif

- different center console (did early /4s have those too?) - Yes


what else?
idea.gif Andy


My "plain Jayne" '70 914-4 did not have a center console.

Neither the '4 or '6 had a headliner.


My six had no headliner also, but I bought it in 1997 so who knows. Now Dr.914 told me at parade it was the way it came from factory! HELP!!! Who's right.

Gary

You are right. No headliner in the early sixes from the factory. Do not when it changed but all 71 and 72 sixes had a headliner installed
I have a 71-6 Euro and there is no fur under the top.


Posted by: lalee914 Mar 22 2013, 01:19 PM

Are you Still looking for information on this car?

Larry Lee
Vestal, NY.

Posted by: lalee914 Mar 22 2013, 01:20 PM

QUOTE(Gustl @ Jun 30 2010, 09:59 AM) *

QUOTE(Bullethead @ Jun 30 2010, 05:36 AM) *

If anyone knows of this car, any history available is appreciated.


this car sold via eBay on August 26, 2007

here's the vehicle description from the auction:
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This is a factory 914-6 # 1396 manufactured April 1970. It has factory steel flares and was raced for a number of years before going into storage. I don’t know the extent of its racing history, however there are IMSA, SCCA and PCA stickers on the windshield. The previous owner was an active member of the Porsche community, but I have been unable to get in touch with him to get more history on the car.

My plan was to restore it to be street legal with factory racer look. While there is currently no drivetrain, it does include very hard to find items like the factory 914-6 oil tank, factory 914-6 oil cooler, and factory engine mount, as pictured. The car also comes with freshly rechromed front and rear bumpers. The bumper tops are just ok.

When the car was retired many of the race spec parts were removed, like the fiberglass hood and deck lids, so they have been replaced with stock steel parts, and were given a quick coat of orange. The pedal assembly, calipers, and rear rotors were also removed. Replacements are readily available. The only part that would be difficult to find are the original rear calipers, but later 911 calipers are very affordable and perform much better. The master cylinder is still there, as well as front rotors, and stainless brake lines. It also has turbo tie rods. There is an adjustable proportioning valve that’s still in the center tunnel.

The body is very straight and the doors both open and close easily. It looks like someone started sanding it down for a repaint. There were a couple spots where the paint/primer got thin, so I hit those areas with orange paint just to keep corrosion at bay until it was time to restore it. The only ding worth mentioning is towards the front of the hood on the passenger’s side, and it’s small.

While the car is solid, there was a repair done to the passenger’s side longitudinal that is clearly non-factory. The work appears to have been done a long time ago, and perhaps the factory repair panels were not available at the time. In any event, I’ve included pictures of the area in question, and I would personally consider replacing the section with a factory piece from restoration design or from a donor car. The door gap and alignment is excellent, and while a bit creative, it has evidently been strong enough to withstand the rigors of racing. It’s hard to tell if it was replaced as a result of corrosion like most of them have, or as a result of an accident. If I had to guess I’d say probably an accident, as the car does not
appear to have been particularly rusty.

I did find a little bit of rust in the front trunk, where the wiring harness exits the firewall (see pic) and it appears to be fairly minor. There is a small spot at the bottom of the windshield on the driver's side where some pitting took place, but the steel is still solid. There's a small area on the pass. fender, near where an antanna hole would be where some filler was used. I don't know if it was related to corrosion or not, but worth mentioning.

I would strongly suggest removing all the suspension and inspecting all the load bearing mounting points, as they are subject to fatigue with track use, and even with spirited road use. I would personally consider doing a chemical dip/strip on the entire chassis. That way it reveals the good, the bad, and the ugly.

The 914-6 is finally going up enough in value that it makes financial sense to do a thorough restoration. With the chassis stripped it would be fairly straight forward to graft in any needed parts from a nice west coast donor car. It’s not uncommon to see a solid 914-4 chassis sell for a few hundred dollars and provide all the necessary factory sheet metal. The two other areas I noticed were a small repair in the front left corner under the head light that was pretty well done and the sheet metal apron behind the rear bumper looks to have been bent up at some point and then straightened. Access is very good and it would be easy to repair.

The rear spoiler is not currently mounted, and no holes have been drilled in the lid. The wheels are factory forged 15x8’s in the rear, and 15x7 pseudo fuchs in the front. The front targa seal is in nice condition, as are the side seals on the targa bar. The wiring looks to be in very good condition. The rear valance and rocker panels are stock steel pieces. The oil tank should be cleaned by a radiator shop before use, but appears in excellent condition. The oil cooler has been cleaned and pressure tested, so should be fine to use as is.

The interior is really quite nice and in good condition. Obviously no carpets, but the car still retains the factory non-movable passenger seat. I should also note that the car still has the correct 914-6 steering wheel. These wheels are sought after by the 911 crowd to make a correct 911 RS wheel. They typically sell between $350 and $500 unrestored, and are very difficult to find. The part number is 914.347.803.10 and is dated 10/69.

The rear wheel bearings were just replace using new FAG bearings. The hubs and stub axles were converted to use the more commonly available 914-4 CV joints and axles. The 914-6 joints have been unavailable for some time. Both joints are the same size, but have a different axle spline count. The stub axles have been torqued to 225 ft lbs. The bearings were replaced because someone didn’t realize the stub axle has to be in and torqued to prevent the bearings form being damaged when the car is moved.

I guess that about covers it. I’ve taken pictures of all the areas I’d like to see if I was looking at a car in person. The life of a race car is not an easy one, but this one should be pretty easy to bring back to life. It’s not uncommon to see vintage racers where the vin plate is the only thing left of the original car. There is a lot of debate as to whether those cars are really worth the financial premium they command considering there isn’t much left of the original chassis.
Fortunately this car isn’t in that category.

With a little sweat equity, this car should make a lot of financial sense for whoever finishes it. While the chassis will need some work, it’s still considerably better than doing the extensive rust repair than so many 914’s need. Please let me know if you have any questions, I’ll do my best to answer in a timely manner. I always suggest inspecting a car in person, but I know that’s not always possible, so I’ve taken lots of pictures. If you or a friend would like to inspect the car I’ll do my best to accommodate your schedule.

The car has a clean and clear title. I’ll be happy to work with a shipping company if the buyer makes the arrangements. I’ll also offer to transport the car for about $1 per loaded mile. That means $275 to Phoenix or LA, $500 to the Bay Area, etc. I hope that helps. Of course the car will have to be paid for in full prior to being loaded on a transport or me delivering it. A cashier’s check is probably the most common form of payment, but I’ll have to cash it before releasing the vehicle or title. I’ll be happy to take cash in person should that be preferable. I can give plenty of references of people I’ve both bought and sold high dollar items to.

My feedback and ultimately your satisfaction are very important to me, so please only bid if you are a serious buyer. I take my responsibilities seriously, please do the same.

If you are new to ebay, please contact me and I’ll do my best to walk you through it and explain the process. I do reserve the right to cancel any bids I feel may compromise the integrity of the auction, and to end the auction early should a
local sale occur.
Thanks, and good luck




Are you still looking for information on this car?

Larry Lee
Vestal, NY

Posted by: mountainroads Jul 11 2013, 11:27 PM

OK - Serious question for the experts, please. Did the 1970 914-6 have the same charcoal canister fuel evaporative control system that the -4 did? I ask, because my -6 doesn't, and I'm trying to determine if that's the reason for the rather strong gas smell in the cockpit. All fuel lines have either been checked out or replaced, including the tunnel. The other obvious suspect is the gas cap, but it looks in pretty good condition. Any suggestions/ideas seriously appreciated. Thanks.

- MR

Posted by: R8CERX Jul 11 2013, 11:29 PM

Check your rear window seals....??


QUOTE(mountainroads @ Jul 11 2013, 10:27 PM) *

OK - Serious question for the experts, please. Did the 1970 914-6 have the same charcoal canister fuel evaporative control system that the -4 did? I ask, because my -6 doesn't, and I'm trying to determine if that's the reason for the rather strong gas smell in the cockpit. All fuel lines have either been checked out or replaced, including the tunnel. The other obvious suspect is the gas cap, but it looks in pretty good condition. Any suggestions/ideas seriously appreciated. Thanks.

- MR


Posted by: mountainroads Jul 12 2013, 08:08 PM

QUOTE(R8CERX @ Jul 11 2013, 10:29 PM) *

Check your rear window seals....??


QUOTE(mountainroads @ Jul 11 2013, 10:27 PM) *

OK - Serious question for the experts, please. Did the 1970 914-6 have the same charcoal canister fuel evaporative control system that the -4 did? I ask, because my -6 doesn't, and I'm trying to determine if that's the reason for the rather strong gas smell in the cockpit. All fuel lines have either been checked out or replaced, including the tunnel. The other obvious suspect is the gas cap, but it looks in pretty good condition. Any suggestions/ideas seriously appreciated. Thanks.

- MR



You know, that's a really good idea. I've had it looked at by 2 well-respected local professionals and they didn't bring that idea up. They did agree that the smell was stronger than it should be. Still begs the question: did the stock -6 have the same charcoal canister system? Thanks.

- MR

Posted by: Mr.242 Jul 13 2013, 10:24 AM

QUOTE(mountainroads @ Jul 12 2013, 07:08 PM) *

QUOTE(R8CERX @ Jul 11 2013, 10:29 PM) *

Check your rear window seals....??


QUOTE(mountainroads @ Jul 11 2013, 10:27 PM) *

OK - Serious question for the experts, please. Did the 1970 914-6 have the same charcoal canister fuel evaporative control system that the -4 did? I ask, because my -6 doesn't, and I'm trying to determine if that's the reason for the rather strong gas smell in the cockpit. All fuel lines have either been checked out or replaced, including the tunnel. The other obvious suspect is the gas cap, but it looks in pretty good condition. Any suggestions/ideas seriously appreciated. Thanks.

- MR



You know, that's a really good idea. I've had it looked at by 2 well-respected local professionals and they didn't bring that idea up. They did agree that the smell was stronger than it should be. Still begs the question: did the stock -6 have the same charcoal canister system? Thanks.

- MR

Mine did not have it when I picked it up. confused24.gif It could have been removed. However, my Dad's SIX does not have one. I'd have to say "nope", but I've go no proof.

Posted by: sixerdon Jul 13 2013, 05:46 PM

QUOTE(mountainroads @ Jul 12 2013, 06:08 PM) *

QUOTE(R8CERX @ Jul 11 2013, 10:29 PM) *

Check your rear window seals....??


QUOTE(mountainroads @ Jul 11 2013, 10:27 PM) *

OK - Serious question for the experts, please. Did the 1970 914-6 have the same charcoal canister fuel evaporative control system that the -4 did? I ask, because my -6 doesn't, and I'm trying to determine if that's the reason for the rather strong gas smell in the cockpit. All fuel lines have either been checked out or replaced, including the tunnel. The other obvious suspect is the gas cap, but it looks in pretty good condition. Any suggestions/ideas seriously appreciated. Thanks.

- MR



You know, that's a really good idea. I've had it looked at by 2 well-respected local professionals and they didn't bring that idea up. They did agree that the smell was stronger than it should be. Still begs the question: did the stock -6 have the same charcoal canister system? Thanks.

- MR


Some did,.......most did not. I have 2 /6's,....one of each. The systems are very similar. Only the location of the vent lines within the engine compartment are different. If yours does not have it, chances are it came that way from the factory. One of my /6's was sold in the Cali market which has the charcoal canister system, the other sold here in Mass does not. Do you know where your /6 was originally sold?
You must remember that /6 carbed engines are vented to the atmosphere, anyway. They are not closed systems like the /4's. Some early /4's did not come equipped with them, either. You may have a slow leak that is evaporating somewhere.
What is your VIN, if I may ask?
Oh, and welcome to the club.
Don


Posted by: Hec Jul 14 2013, 07:21 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 22 2007, 04:34 PM) *

so, after having had the pleasure to drive this beautiful, unmolested, all original, 37k miles 914-6 today, i can't help but wonder if we should attempt to list all the differences between an early /6 and early /4 in terms of originality.

i believe it would be of tremendous help to have a list of things "to look for" when doing a PPI on such a time-capsule.

what do ya'all think?
:idea: Andy

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Hello Sir Andy!... The Silver Metallic 914-6 is beautiful!... Mine has to look very close to that when finished, the car was silver originally but my father painted it red in his mid-life crisis... here´s the blog (sorry it is in spanish) with pics of the process. Congrats on your 914-6!

Héctor Coss

Posted by: mountainroads Jul 14 2013, 11:08 PM

QUOTE(sixerdon @ Jul 13 2013, 04:46 PM) *

QUOTE(mountainroads @ Jul 12 2013, 06:08 PM) *

QUOTE(R8CERX @ Jul 11 2013, 10:29 PM) *

Check your rear window seals....??


QUOTE(mountainroads @ Jul 11 2013, 10:27 PM) *

OK - Serious question for the experts, please. Did the 1970 914-6 have the same charcoal canister fuel evaporative control system that the -4 did? I ask, because my -6 doesn't, and I'm trying to determine if that's the reason for the rather strong gas smell in the cockpit. All fuel lines have either been checked out or replaced, including the tunnel. The other obvious suspect is the gas cap, but it looks in pretty good condition. Any suggestions/ideas seriously appreciated. Thanks.

- MR



You know, that's a really good idea. I've had it looked at by 2 well-respected local professionals and they didn't bring that idea up. They did agree that the smell was stronger than it should be. Still begs the question: did the stock -6 have the same charcoal canister system? Thanks.

- MR


Some did,.......most did not. I have 2 /6's,....one of each. The systems are very similar. Only the location of the vent lines within the engine compartment are different. If yours does not have it, chances are it came that way from the factory. One of my /6's was sold in the Cali market which has the charcoal canister system, the other sold here in Mass does not. Do you know where your /6 was originally sold?
You must remember that /6 carbed engines are vented to the atmosphere, anyway. They are not closed systems like the /4's. Some early /4's did not come equipped with them, either. You may have a slow leak that is evaporating somewhere.
What is your VIN, if I may ask?
Oh, and welcome to the club.
Don


Thanks to Don, and others who've provided feedback. Car has always been located in Washington. Originally purchased at Humphrey's, in Everett. A slow leak is possible, but 2 experienced professionals have not been able to locate it. I'll probably replace the gas cap as a next step. VIN = 91404311482. Thanks again for input and welcoming me to club.

- MR

Posted by: mountainroads Jul 24 2013, 09:30 PM

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OK. Certainly not an originality contender, but a fun car to drive when I feel the need to go over to the dark side.

- MR

Posted by: mountainroads Aug 12 2013, 11:29 PM

Update: It's been pretty much confirmed that this car did not originally come with the charcoal canister evaporative control

system. The fuel smell was traced to an approximately 2 in. hole a previous owner cut in the forward firewall, about knee

height, under the dash. Reason unknown, but likely when the car was being auto-crossed. This hole was conveniently placed

near where the (stock) gas tank vent tube opened underneath the car. Mechanic meticulously checked all possible fuel leak

sources, replaced gas cap and tank gaskets, and neatly patched this hole with a rubber plug. Magically, the fuel smell went

away. The hole in the firewall was ID'd as the biggest culprit. Thanks for all the useful suggestions.

- MR

Posted by: sshex Oct 22 2013, 05:31 PM

I have been told that 914-6's had no sound deadening pad in the engine compartment on the firewall. Does anybody know if that is true?

Posted by: SirAndy Oct 22 2013, 06:09 PM

QUOTE(sshex @ Oct 22 2013, 04:31 PM) *
I have been told that 914-6's had no sound deadening pad in the engine compartment on the firewall. Does anybody know if that is true?

That is correct, but not exclusive to the 914/6.

Early cars, both /4 and /6 did not have the sound padding on the engine side.
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Posted by: Pat Garvey Oct 22 2013, 07:31 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Oct 22 2013, 06:09 PM) *

QUOTE(sshex @ Oct 22 2013, 04:31 PM) *
I have been told that 914-6's had no sound deadening pad in the engine compartment on the firewall. Does anybody know if that is true?

That is correct, but not exclusive to the 914/6.

Early cars, both /4 and /6 did not have the sound padding on the engine side.
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Andy is correct (as usual). My recollection is that sound deadening did not appear until the 74 model. It may have been a good idea, but it turned into a bad one because water vapor could be trapped behind the barrier and cause corrosion.

Besides, who wants to hide the glorious notes of either motor? Why I never put an antenna on mine (well, drilling holes in the body makes my ass pucker).

Posted by: dlestep Oct 23 2013, 06:54 AM

My '73 had all the stuff that became options in 1974.
It included a thick barrier on the cabin side of the firewall, AND a tar barrier on the
engine side of the firewall.
I removed the engine side tar barrier because of the passenger side horizontal
split that ingested water like a scoop.
My '74 had a thinner barrier (about half the thickness of the '73) cabin side,
but no tar barrier on the engine side.

Posted by: 6freak Oct 23 2013, 07:35 AM

QUOTE(mountainroads @ Jul 24 2013, 08:30 PM) *

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OK. Certainly not an originality contender, but a fun car to drive when I feel the need to go over to the dark side.

- MR

NICE CAR MR!, and yet another six in the PNW seems to be more around here then anywhere :confused:will we see ya at AX next year?

smile.gif and no canister on my car

Posted by: rgalla9146 Nov 8 2013, 09:22 PM

A Six has only one fuel line entering upper engine compartment.
Because a six has no rain tray on engine lid it also does not have funnels and tubes to carry water out of engine comp.
Don't know if it's a six thing or an early car thing but all sixes have wires in harness for rear de-fog.
The bellcrank at the 6 gas pedal is different. It has a "wing" on it that is pushed by the hand throttle rod.
No electric switch on six cyl. tunnel mounted heater lever. Because the six had no heater blower motor. But it does have a very big belt driven heat blower motor !

Posted by: ConeDodger Nov 8 2013, 10:24 PM

Forgive me, I'm having trouble taking a picture of it right now. But, I have had a combination gauge for a long time that is reportedly specific to the 6. It has a 914 841 101 10 part number. So, what I'm saying, is that this gauge at least was specific to the 6...

I took it out of storage to sell it recently, then saw this thread.

I'll figure out why I'm not able to take a picture of it and then post it here...


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Posted by: tumamilhem Nov 18 2013, 08:46 PM

How's this for originality?! The VERY FIRST 914-6 to come off the production line, only 6,237 miles on it (when this picture was taken in 2011)! drooley.gif All OG, all matching numbers and found in a BARN! blink.gif
I guess this would be VIN 9140430011 w/ engine 901.36 640 0001? Thought this was pretty cool and wanted to share. beerchug.gif

Hey Tony, if you're here, smilie_pokal.gif smilie_pokal.gif smilie_pokal.gif smilie_pokal.gif smilie_pokal.gif smilie_pokal.gif smilie_pokal.gif smilie_pokal.gif smilie_pokal.gif smilie_pokal.gif

Here's where I came across it. Page 5: http://www.sportscardigest.com/porsche-race-car-classic-2011-report-and-photos/?nggpage=5

Porsche Race Car Classic 2011
The inaugural Porsche Race Car Classic was held Sunday, October 16, 2011 on the grounds of the Quail Lodge in Carmel, California. The Porsche Race Car Classic 2011 honored Porsche cars from 1950-1965 and included purpose-built race cars and production cars with significant race history during that period. They were arranged in 18 groups, with each representing another step in Porsche’s march to the top ranks of the racing world. From Gmünd coupes to the 911–and everything in between–the show field at the Porsche Race Car Classic displayed a wonderful array of the finest examples from the German automaker. Among the highlighted cars were the following:

- Pair of Porsche Typ 540 Aluminum Sport Roadsters
- 1960 Porsche RS60 that was the overall winner at the 12 Hours of Sebring in 1960 at the hands of Hans Herrmann and Olivier Gendebien
- Porsche 718 Formula 2 and 804 Formula 1, both from the Porsche Museum
- 1960 Porsche Carrera 2/2000GS GT Coupe from the Porsche Museum
- Both of the 1963 Porsche 2000GS Carrera 2 GT Dreikantschaber in existence
- Jerry Seinfeld’s 1973 Porsche 911 Carrera 2.8 RSR
- Jerry Seinfeld’s 1960 Porsche-Abarth 356B Carrera GTL driven in 1963 by Gewrhard Koch to class wins at Targa Florio and Nurburgring
- 1961 Porsche-Abarth 356B Carrera GTL that place first in class at Le Mans, Sebring and Targa Florio
- 1969 Porsche 911 GT factory rally car
- Ex-Pete Lovely 1955 Porsche Cooper “Pooper” that Pete raced to five class wins and the F-Modified National Championship in 1955.
- First Porsche 914/6 factory show car with only 6,237 miles
- Prototype 911R that set world speed records at Monza driven by Jo Siffert, Rico Steinemann, Charles Vogele and Dieter Spoerry

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1970 Porsche 914-6 - First of the 3352 produced. Factory show car. Barn find with 6237 miles. Owned by Tony Samojen

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Nov 18 2013, 09:07 PM

If these two are both #9140430011, then the "before" and "after" photos merit some sort of disclosure as to who did such a fantastic job in preserving the "originality" blink.gif


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Posted by: johnaz Dec 3 2013, 05:56 PM

No one listed the passenger footrest on -6 cars? Only on those?

Posted by: Pat Garvey Dec 3 2013, 07:58 PM

QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Nov 18 2013, 10:07 PM) *

If these two are both #9140430011, then the "before" and "after" photos merit some sort of disclosure as to who did such a fantastic job in preserving the "originality" blink.gif

Oh, you are the devil Paul! How dare you question!

Posted by: Pat Garvey Dec 3 2013, 07:59 PM

QUOTE(johnaz @ Dec 3 2013, 06:56 PM) *

No one listed the passenger footrest on -6 cars? Only on those?

No - fours had them through 1970 (maybe '71)

Posted by: Jonathan Livesay Dec 4 2013, 12:32 PM

QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Dec 3 2013, 05:58 PM) *

QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Nov 18 2013, 10:07 PM) *

If these two are both #9140430011, then the "before" and "after" photos merit some sort of disclosure as to who did such a fantastic job in preserving the "originality" blink.gif

Oh, you are the devil Paul! How dare you question!

Nah, that'll buff out.

Posted by: puffinator Dec 6 2013, 02:56 PM

What is the color of the engine fan shroud and was it the same for all years?

Posted by: porbmw Dec 20 2013, 10:50 PM

QUOTE(davep @ Aug 24 2007, 06:44 PM) *

The north american cars have the VIN on a plate in the front windshield. The 914/6 numbers are recessed into the plate while the 914/4 numbers are raised.


Does this mean that the Euro versions (including GTs)did NOT have the VIN on a plate in the front windshield....if so, did the VIN on the Euro appear only on as stamped on the inner fender, and on the rectangular plate mounted in the right front of the headlight area?

Posted by: sbsix Dec 21 2013, 02:32 PM

QUOTE(porbmw @ Dec 20 2013, 08:50 PM) *

QUOTE(davep @ Aug 24 2007, 06:44 PM) *

The north american cars have the VIN on a plate in the front windshield. The 914/6 numbers are recessed into the plate while the 914/4 numbers are raised.


Does this mean that the Euro versions (including GTs)did NOT have the VIN on a plate in the front windshield....if so, did the VIN on the Euro appear only on as stamped on the inner fender, and on the rectangular plate mounted in the right front of the headlight area?



Correct, my euro 914-6 has never had a windshield VIN plate. Other VIN locations are the same as all others.

Posted by: larryM Dec 21 2013, 09:42 PM

correct

- i have owned two euro 914-6's imported from Germany (still have the '70 GT)

- the USA DOT required windshield ID tags - Canada & RoW cars did not have them

- i also recently had a via Canada import '80 SC - no windshield tag

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QUOTE(porbmw @ Dec 20 2013, 08:50 PM) *

QUOTE(davep @ Aug 24 2007, 06:44 PM) *

The north american cars have the VIN on a plate in the front windshield. The 914/6 numbers are recessed into the plate while the 914/4 numbers are raised.


Does this mean that the Euro versions (including GTs)did NOT have the VIN on a plate in the front windshield....if so, did the VIN on the Euro appear only on as stamped on the inner fender, and on the rectangular plate mounted in the right front of the headlight area?

Posted by: porbmw Dec 22 2013, 05:30 PM


- the USA DOT required windshield ID tags - Canada & RoW cars did not have them

- i also recently had a via Canada import '80 SC - no windshield tag
th
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Hi Larry

Not sure re the Canada part.....I should have paid more attn when I had one that I bought new, years ago, in Canada.

But to my recollection every teener I have seen up here has had a tag....and they couldn't be imported here, used, till not THAT long ago....I could be wrong...

I'm sure that Speed Metal Army may have one or two parts cars that were originally sold here, will see if he can chime in/verify.

Is there any chance the '80SC was a grey market car from Euro...there was a fair amount of that going on around here, for a while....?

Have a great Christmas

Paul

Posted by: speed metal army Dec 23 2013, 12:39 AM

QUOTE(porbmw @ Dec 22 2013, 03:30 PM) *

- the USA DOT required windshield ID tags - Canada & RoW cars did not have them

- i also recently had a via Canada import '80 SC - no windshield tag
th
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Hi Larry

Not sure re the Canada part.....I should have paid more attn when I had one that I bought new, years ago, in Canada.

But to my recollection every teener I have seen up here has had a tag....and they couldn't be imported here, used, till not THAT long ago....I could be wrong...

I'm sure that Speed Metal Army may have one or two parts cars that were originally sold here, will see if he can chime in/verify.

Is there any chance the '80SC was a grey market car from Euro...there was a fair amount of that going on around here, for a while....?

Have a great Christmas

Paul

I have had 5 Canadian '14's in my shop and all have the windshield tag...Plus every other 914 I have seen up here also sports the VIN tag.

Posted by: Targa70 Apr 1 2014, 08:37 PM

do the sixes have a decal on the fuel evaporator tank up front? Cant find any pics of one and mine did not have it when I bought it.

Posted by: porbmw Apr 1 2014, 10:32 PM

QUOTE(Targa70 @ Apr 1 2014, 07:37 PM) *

do the sixes have a decal on the fuel evaporator tank up front? Cant find any pics of one and mine did not have it when I bought it.


Don't think so. No decals on my rather original 6....fuel tank is in remarkable shape, no sign of any work or changes to it....but don't want to say it definitively....

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Apr 2 2014, 09:07 AM

QUOTE(Targa70 @ Apr 1 2014, 10:37 PM) *

do the sixes have a decal on the fuel evaporator tank up front? Cant find any pics of one and mine did not have it when I bought it.

I can't say for sure because my six has been heavily modified but my tank is also bare (no decals)

Posted by: dlkawashima Apr 6 2014, 01:23 PM

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Makes no sense to remove the original but leave the link in the quoted messages. You should remove the last three messages, including this one.

Posted by: SirAndy May 22 2014, 05:39 PM

QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Nov 18 2013, 08:07 PM) *

If these two are both #9140430011, then the "before" and "after" photos merit some sort of disclosure as to who did such a fantastic job in preserving the "originality" blink.gif

That is indeed the same car, before and after ...
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Posted by: larryM May 24 2014, 10:37 PM

QUOTE(carr914 @ Jun 13 2008, 08:15 PM) *

Although it has been said that a Heated/Tinted rear window did not exist. Mine has it.

T.C.


mine had it as well, and it is documented in letters i have from the factory

unfortunately, it got broken while in storage when the car was stripped to metal

interesting to know about the weaker lid torsions - - ! so that's why the damned lid won't stay up after i added the rallye badges!


Posted by: sshex May 26 2014, 08:54 AM

My 1970 914-6 has a leather covered shift knob with the Porsche crest on top. I assume that this is not correct and that it should have the shift knob with the shift pattern on top. Can anybody confirm that?

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Jun 3 2014, 08:41 PM

QUOTE(sshex @ May 26 2014, 10:54 AM) *

My 1970 914-6 has a leather covered shift knob with the Porsche crest on top. I assume that this is not correct and that it should have the shift knob with the shift pattern on top. Can anybody confirm that?

You're right- leather covered w/ a crest is very aftermarket & there is no difference between any stock 914 knobs, they're all the same w/ the pattern on top. The 916 had a different knob because the pattern of the 915/916 transmission is not like the 901 transmission.

Posted by: DM71SIX Jun 15 2014, 05:54 PM

George, My 71-6 Euro did not have the top liner. It also has a different front valence with two rectangular cutouts. It is a factory valence. There was no charcoal filter.

Posted by: rgalla9146 Feb 15 2015, 10:45 AM

Different mounts at transaxle.
4cyl. mounts had open areas in the rubber. 914 375 025 00
6 cyl. mounts were solid rubber. 914 375 026 00
6 cyl. mounts pictured


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Posted by: rgalla9146 Feb 15 2015, 09:12 PM

Muffler hangars for 6 and 914 2.0 appear the same but differ in a small detail and have different part numbers.
6 cyl. 901 111 152 00
4 cyl. 039 251 067
Notice the angle of the ends.
The 4 is cut on an angle to reach the bolt below the inside exhaust tube.
The 6 is square because the inside bolt is on the side of the exhaust flange.
Also the slot for the 6 is larger ... for a 10 mm bolt ...4 cyl an 8mm bolt


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Posted by: Kaeferfreund Sep 18 2015, 04:01 AM

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.... Neither the '4 or '6 had a headliner.
My six had no headliner also, but I bought it in 1997 so who knows. Now Dr.914 told me at parade it was the way it came from factory! HELP!!! Who's right.
You are right. No headliner in the early sixes from the factory. Do not when it changed but all 71 and 72 sixes had a headliner installed



The "Headliner" you were discussing is the felt carpet at the inner side of the targa roof, I think.

Well, I also have such a carpet in mine, which is a MY 70, with a realtive high production number. Apart from this I think the car got a later roof during restoration in the states. Are there some more differences of the roof between the MYs from 1970 on?

I'm not sure if it is a complete targa roof of a later MY 914 or somebody has sticked in a carpet/headliner.....

The carpet looks very wavy now, that is why I have to do anything. Throwing out (a) or "restoring" it (b)? Alternative (a) would also raise the question regarding the glue. How to clear the rests of that?
Restoring it with a new headliner...how/where to get the original felt (of a "6" MY71 then?

Thanks in advance!

Best regards
Kaeferfreund

Posted by: 914-6-GT Jan 12 2016, 06:38 PM

QUOTE(Gustl @ Jul 25 2007, 12:12 AM) *

QUOTE(Thomas J Bliznik @ Jul 25 2007, 05:22 AM) *

Hi guys,

I have a serious question. popcorn[1].gif

Can a late 1970 914-6 with a 0 after the 914 on the vin # and titled as a 1971 be converted to a factory 1971 M-471 option car????
Example: vin # 91404321?? (late#'s) and titled as 1971 be a real 1971???

Inquiring minds want to know, because I know of a 914-6 that's for sale??? Need answer ASAP.

Wolfgang are you interested?? unsure.gif

Tom


Tom, it might be my lack of knowing english, but unfortunately I didn't get the point of your question - I've no idea what you're asking confused24.gif sad.gif

but the VIN you showed is incomplete

there is always a rumor, that the factory might have built M471 cars in MY'70 (914.0.43.xxxx), but only at special request - not as a standard procedure
remember - they also built the competition cars from the very beginning of the production
BUT - there's no proove yet

for sure - if there is a MY'70 914-6 with the M471 option, I would be the 1st who's interested in boldblue.gif

wavey.gif Gustl


My car for example 914-043-1340 had the M-471 on it back in 1972 when I first saw it. Whether or not it was done at the factory or at the dealer I couldn't tell you. But those flares were on the car along with a few other racing things back as early as 1972.

I was 4 at the time and the car was my across the street neighbor's car for a number of years before he passed away.

Back then he always either parked it in our drive way or in front of our house so he would not get a ticket for having it on his side of the street when the street sweepers came by.

The original owner would often take me for rides, as I kept bugging the hell out him just like my own kid bugs the hell out of me to take him out in my Viper.

I simply would not take NO from the guy and he would always cheerfully take me for a spin.

After one of those rides, my mother clearly remembers me telling her momma one day I'm going to have a Porsche like that and a blonde with big boobs.

The original owner had an outrageously beautiful blonde girlfriend with amazing boobs very hard to ignore even at a young age. blink.gif

Thankfully I grew out of the blonde with big boob thing in my 20's and found me a hot Filpina. lol-2.gif

I got the car in early 1982 and had it til Dec 1986 when my dad sold it.

He got pissed at me for running up his phone bill to double of what his mortgage was trying to get parts out of Germany. Back then there was no internet no nothing, all we had back then were German magazines so you can imagine trying to communicate with someone not knowing how to speak German.

I was a teen back then so don't laugh. Kids do stupid shit, and I was no different.

In August 2005 I found her in a barn after an extensive almost 15+ year hunt.

I had her totally restored and a few bad things happened along the way that were out of my control where she's gone again.

The person that was working on her concocted a story that I had died to the most recent owner, and sold the car illegally without my knowledge.

I know she was sold because of the eBay ad in late November led me to speak with Kevin in Idaho who ended up selling her to a dealer in NY last month (12/15).

Now I'm on the hunt to get her back, she is rightfully mine and I hope to grow old and die owning my little car.

I have it written in my will when I die my 914 is going to lead my funeral procession. After I'm laid to rest my son will get a cd with a video message from me along with the keys.

I posted a thread here, please go look at it and if any of you guys see or hear ANYTHING about my car please let me know. There's been quite a few people talking "Little Lilac" over the past few weeks.

Thanks in advance. beerchug.gif


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Posted by: larryM Jan 17 2016, 12:27 AM

re: 914-043-1340 here it is/was in Advert - pictures include the body shell with the flares apparently being welded on during - (claimed) - 2013 Build by Patrick Motorsports,

http://topclassicsforsale.com/porsche/66515-1970-porsche-9146.html

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that does not correspond to the story that it had flares in 1972

it is also in Lee's list - so ask him what info he has
"If you find your VIN on this list, send an email to llee50@stny.rr.com with the VIN and I will send you whatever information I have on your car."
http://p914-6info.net/list_file-4-column.htm



QUOTE(914-6-GT @ Jan 12 2016, 04:38 PM) *
My car for example 914-043-1340 had the M-471 on it back in 1972 when I first saw it. Whether or not it was done at the factory or at the dealer I couldn't tell you. But those flares were on the car along with a few other racing things back as early as 1972.

Posted by: bruinbro Oct 15 2016, 02:49 AM

Newbie on this forum, previous -6 owner.

I'm buying 1970 -6 (from Leamon, if you know him it's the black one). I'm on the hunt for the matching engine and intend to return it to it's original color. What I would like to know if adding steel flares would reduce the car's value. If not, I would like to do that prior to the repaint while I have it stripped.

Wonderful website, I'm happy I can be back in the 914-6 world.

Thanks,
Steve

Posted by: Coondog Nov 16 2016, 09:20 AM

QUOTE(bruinbro @ Oct 15 2016, 12:49 AM) *

Newbie on this forum, previous -6 owner.

I'm buying 1970 -6 (from Leamon, if you know him it's the black one). I'm on the hunt for the matching engine and intend to return it to it's original color. What I would like to know if adding steel flares would reduce the car's value. If not, I would like to do that prior to the repaint while I have it stripped.

Wonderful website, I'm happy I can be back in the 914-6 world.

Thanks,
Steve



Congrats, that's a xlint car. If you want a flared 914 then you bought the wrong car.....don't mess with a 6. As for the paint and finding the original engine my advise is to drive it and enjoy it for at least a year. Leamon is a walking 914 encyclopedia so I would make him your new best friend.
Hope to see you at events.

Posted by: DM71SIX Nov 17 2016, 08:27 AM

QUOTE(Coondog @ Nov 16 2016, 07:20 AM) *

QUOTE(bruinbro @ Oct 15 2016, 12:49 AM) *

Newbie on this forum, previous -6 owner.

I'm buying 1970 -6 (from Leamon, if you know him it's the black one). I'm on the hunt for the matching engine and intend to return it to it's original color. What I would like to know if adding steel flares would reduce the car's value. If not, I would like to do that prior to the repaint while I have it stripped.

Wonderful website, I'm happy I can be back in the 914-6 world.

Thanks,
Steve



Congrats, that's a xlint car. If you want a flared 914 then you bought the wrong car.....don't mess with a 6. As for the paint and finding the original engine my advise is to drive it and enjoy it for at least a year. Leamon is a walking 914 encyclopedia so I would make him your new best friend.
Hope to see you at events.

Originality is the key to value, especially with the 914 as people cannot keep from modifying these cars. A true original is extremely rare as I just finished restoring an unmodified 914-6 numbers matching Euro car which I have had since 1991. We redid everything and used NOS parts and original materials. I documented everything down to every nut and bolt. The original wheels are not on the car now, but stored for shows DanielAttached Image

Posted by: Jason 914-6 Mar 21 2017, 10:29 PM

Hi have just found this very helpful info I see that there was a link there to check vin number for vehicle history it has expired now is there still a way to find this out. would be nice to know were my 914-6 was before it got to Australia.

Thanks

Posted by: DM71SIX Mar 22 2017, 06:45 AM

QUOTE(Jason 914-6 @ Mar 21 2017, 08:29 PM) *

Hi have just found this very helpful info I see that there was a link there to check vin number for vehicle history it has expired now is there still a way to find this out. would be nice to know were my 914-6 was before it got to Australia.

Thanks

My vin is in the data base on the club site. My car was purchased in Germany by a serviceman and brought to the US by him. It went to Gunnar racing, then the crew chief, then me.

Posted by: pete000 May 23 2017, 12:42 AM

914-6 NOS fuel lines for the engine compartment.

NOS and NFS !


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Posted by: EJ1970914/6 Feb 19 2018, 04:59 PM

QUOTE(rgalla9146 @ Feb 15 2015, 10:12 PM) *

Muffler hangars for 6 and 914 2.0 appear the same but differ in a small detail and have different part numbers.
6 cyl. 901 111 152 00
4 cyl. 039 251 067
Notice the angle of the ends.
The 4 is cut on an angle to reach the bolt below the inside exhaust tube.
The 6 is square because the inside bolt is on the side of the exhaust flange.
Also the slot for the 6 is larger ... for a 10 mm bolt ...4 cyl an 8mm bolt



Thumbs up !

Posted by: David Billo Mar 18 2019, 06:47 AM

Here's something I've noticed from following many restoration threads on the forum:

Sometimes, I notice a set of anchors on the floor pan, located each side of the tunnel and near the firewall. They look like seat belt anchors but I've never seen a picture of anything fastened to them, and there is always also the typical seatbelt anchors on the sides of the tunnel. I have not really checked, but I think I only see them on the floor pans of factory sixes. They are not on my four.

Anybody know what these are for, and if it is unique to sixes?

See attached pics. The topside one is Cairo's six, which we know is a factory six. The underside one, well I forget where that came from, so I don't know for sure what it is. I see the cutouts in the longs where the four cylinder engine mounts would go.

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Posted by: altitude411 Mar 18 2019, 08:55 AM

Early cars were listed as "3- seater" and had option for center seat belt. I believe those are for the lap belt attachment points for the center seat belt. Omitted in '72

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 27 2019, 08:53 PM

QUOTE(altitude411 @ Mar 18 2019, 07:55 AM) *

Early cars were listed as "3- seater" and had option for center seat belt. I believe those are for the lap belt attachment points for the center seat belt. Omitted in '72

That is correct, those are the mounting holes for the 3rd center seatbelt.

Not unique to the /6, all early chassis had the 3rd seat option ...
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Posted by: Speedo Apr 22 2019, 07:34 AM

Getting ready to put my six back together. I had some parts powder coated a few years ago, but my struts were incorrectly plated grey. My understanding is that the struts were essentially 69 911 T struts. Would that make them Boge (black) or Bilstein (green)? And would it not be a good idea to upgrade the front suspension to 3.5 inch Konis (orange) and S calipers? My rear shocks are orange Konis, are they original? My rear trailing arms need to be refinished also...I presume black?
I am also going to run a lot of hardware to be plated. Is there an easy rule of thumb as to what hardware should be yellow zinc vs white zinc? If there is a thread, please send me the link.

Posted by: mepstein Apr 22 2019, 07:45 AM

914-6 struts were grey.

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=7170

An easy upgrade (recommended by Eric Shea) would be to use Alfa Romeo aluminum Brembo front calipers. Bolt right on to 3" calipers, cuts weight in half and pads are almost the same size as S calipers.

Posted by: Speedo Apr 22 2019, 07:25 PM

QUOTE(mepstein @ Apr 22 2019, 05:45 AM) *

914-6 struts were grey.

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=7170

An easy upgrade (recommended by Eric Shea) would be to use Alfa Romeo aluminum Brembo front calipers. Bolt right on to 3" calipers, cuts weight in half and pads are almost the same size as S calipers.


Thanks! A good source for the AR Brembo calipers? If I remember the previous owner was using Willwood calipers?
Glad I didn't attempt to rattlecan the struts a different color. sad.gif

Who manufactured the struts...so that I can get inserts?


Posted by: mepstein Apr 22 2019, 07:34 PM

QUOTE(Speedo @ Apr 22 2019, 09:25 PM) *

QUOTE(mepstein @ Apr 22 2019, 05:45 AM) *

914-6 struts were grey.

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=7170

An easy upgrade (recommended by Eric Shea) would be to use Alfa Romeo aluminum Brembo front calipers. Bolt right on to 3" calipers, cuts weight in half and pads are almost the same size as S calipers.


Thanks! A good source for the AR Brembo calipers? If I remember the previous owner was using Willwood calipers?
Glad I didn't attempt to rattlecan the struts a different color. sad.gif

Who manufactured the struts...so that I can get inserts?

They are Boge struts that will take Bilstein inserts.

Posted by: Chi-town Apr 23 2019, 01:45 PM

PMB has re-released the 3" Alfa style Brembo calipers after eating up every core he could find in the Alfa world laugh.gif

Posted by: rgalla9146 Sep 23 2020, 08:14 PM

Some interesting original details for absolute correct restoration.
Notice the black paint on the inside ends of the muffler valence.
Ignore the extra hole in the one valence.
Notice the 3M dumdum in the corners of the engine seals to prevent air leaks.
Also staples to attach the rubbers to each other in the corners,


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Posted by: Bullethead Feb 1 2021, 01:42 PM

It's been a few years but after completing a couple of other cars, I'm finally back to restoring #1396. It's just been sitting, but parts accumulation has continued.... I was fortunate to recently acquire a few NOS items, including this GT tank.
Some shelf wear and the foam collar has shrunk a bit, but finding these things and being able to buy them felt like winning the lottery!

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Posted by: mepstein Feb 1 2021, 03:19 PM

WOW! Congrats. Great score.

Posted by: Bullethead Feb 1 2021, 08:44 PM

Thanks Mark, it really was... posted an image of the balsa lid signature on ESR under Satanic Details, always found it intriguing. Does anyone here know who this guy was?

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BTW, these parts were sold new by Art Bunker. The shipping receipts show the values as a couple hundred bucks.

Posted by: davep Feb 2 2021, 10:40 PM

That GT fuel tank is really rare. Very few cars in North America ever used one since a fuel cell was a required piece of equipment. I suspect a few were ordered but found no buyers due to the rules. Fitting the fuel cell also had the consequence of the typical GT oil cooler being in the way, so alternative methods were quickly found.
I was lucky to acquire an original GT rear bumper; NOS.

Posted by: Bullethead Feb 8 2021, 05:58 PM

Cleaned up pretty nice... would you keep the original finish, or repaint?

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Posted by: porschenstock Sep 8 2021, 09:06 AM

May be not the right thread but I give it a try, I just got one of the 16 914/6 in sportomatic gearbox built, I am getting the car into manual gearbox but keeping the original parts just in case I would like to put it back to original some day, if anyone has under engine, side under engine, fire wall, mainly around the engine pictures of a 6 I would be grateful to share, I don't know where the clutch cable is getting out and on mine there isn't any hole to have it fitted, also will need to get the gear stick replaced and the pedal box.
Or even where I could find factory pictures or PET.

Many thanks for your help.
Chris

Posted by: Arno914 Oct 7 2021, 04:03 AM

Hi Chris,

just my 2 cents...if you have one of the original sportomatic 6ers...well, that would be an awesome rare, rare car! Leave it original and be the hero on every 914 meet. smile.gif

Arno

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Posted by: SirAndy Oct 9 2021, 09:59 AM

QUOTE(Arno914 @ Oct 7 2021, 03:03 AM) *

Hi Chris,
just my 2 cents...if you have one of the original sportomatic 6ers...well, that would be an awesome rare, rare car! Leave it original and be the hero on every 914 meet. smile.gif

agree.gif


@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=8921

The sport-o-matic cars are about as rare as a 914-6 can get.

I think you'll be much better off keeping it stock.
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Posted by: mepstein Oct 9 2021, 11:20 AM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Oct 9 2021, 11:59 AM) *

QUOTE(Arno914 @ Oct 7 2021, 03:03 AM) *

Hi Chris,
just my 2 cents...if you have one of the original sportomatic 6ers...well, that would be an awesome rare, rare car! Leave it original and be the hero on every 914 meet. smile.gif

agree.gif


@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=8921

The sport-o-matic cars are about as rare as a 914-6 can get.

I think you'll be much better off keeping it stock.
bye1.gif

I’ll disagree, if you want manual, make the switch and keep the sporto parts on a shelf.

Posted by: Bullethead Oct 9 2021, 04:18 PM

QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 9 2021, 01:20 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Oct 9 2021, 11:59 AM) *

QUOTE(Arno914 @ Oct 7 2021, 03:03 AM) *

Hi Chris,
just my 2 cents...if you have one of the original sportomatic 6ers...well, that would be an awesome rare, rare car! Leave it original and be the hero on every 914 meet. smile.gif

agree.gif


@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=8921

The sport-o-matic cars are about as rare as a 914-6 can get.

I think you'll be much better off keeping it stock.
bye1.gif

I’ll disagree, if you want manual, make the switch and keep the sporto parts on a shelf.


agree.gif As an owner of a '68 911 Sporto which ISN'T that rare, I would certainly agree that a manual swap is up to the owner. It is in this case, too... but Sportomatic 6ers are like unicorns!

Leave it as is and you'll always be the only one at any show or event. Plus, a well-sorted Sporto is really fun to drive. Keep it the way it was delivered.

BTW, if you ever consider selling it, please let me know. I'd love to have it.

Posted by: porschenstock Oct 28 2021, 04:13 AM

QUOTE(Bullethead @ Oct 9 2021, 02:18 PM) *

QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 9 2021, 01:20 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Oct 9 2021, 11:59 AM) *

QUOTE(Arno914 @ Oct 7 2021, 03:03 AM) *

Hi Chris,
just my 2 cents...if you have one of the original sportomatic 6ers...well, that would be an awesome rare, rare car! Leave it original and be the hero on every 914 meet. smile.gif

agree.gif


@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=8921

The sport-o-matic cars are about as rare as a 914-6 can get.

I think you'll be much better off keeping it stock.
bye1.gif

I’ll disagree, if you want manual, make the switch and keep the sporto parts on a shelf.


agree.gif As an owner of a '68 911 Sporto which ISN'T that rare, I would certainly agree that a manual swap is up to the owner. It is in this case, too... but Sportomatic 6ers are like unicorns!

Leave it as is and you'll always be the only one at any show or event. Plus, a well-sorted Sporto is really fun to drive. Keep it the way it was delivered.

BTW, if you ever consider selling it, please let me know. I'd love to have it.



Apparently based on factory archives, only 16 sportomatic ahed been built, 4 were kept for the factory, 4 for the Porsche family and the remaining 8 sold through German dealer and 2 in France, so it's one out of two sold by Soanuto Porsche dealer.

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Hi Chris,
just my 2 cents...if you have one of the original sportomatic 6ers...well, that would be an awesome rare, rare car! Leave it original and be the hero on every 914 meet. smile.gif

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@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=8921

The sport-o-matic cars are about as rare as a 914-6 can get.

I think you'll be much better off keeping it stock.
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I’ll disagree, if you want manual, make the switch and keep the sporto parts on a shelf.


agree.gif As an owner of a '68 911 Sporto which ISN'T that rare, I would certainly agree that a manual swap is up to the owner. It is in this case, too... but Sportomatic 6ers are like unicorns!

Leave it as is and you'll always be the only one at any show or event. Plus, a well-sorted Sporto is really fun to drive. Keep it the way it was delivered.

BTW, if you ever consider selling it, please let me know. I'd love to have it.



Apparently based on factory archives, only 16 sportomatic ahed been built, 4 were kept for the factory, 4 for the Porsche family and the remaining 8 sold through German dealer and 2 in France, so it's one out of two sold by Soanuto Porsche dealer.



Here it is


From the factory archives in 82:

3 cars reserved for use of the factory

2 cars for the Porsche family

3 sold in Germany by Glocker in Frankfurt

1 sold by Hahn in Stuttgart

2 cars sold by Sonauto in France, so this is one of the two

1 car sold by Amag in Switzerland

2 cars sold by Raffay in Hamburg

2 cars sold at Schullz in Lintorf.

Posted by: DennisV Sep 8 2022, 02:08 PM

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So, after having had the pleasure to drive this beautiful, unmolested, all original, 37k miles 914-6 today

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Is there a photo gallery for this car, or other all original examples that can be used for reference? I have the authenticity book, which is a big help. There's so much more I'm curious about.

Posted by: DennisV May 23 2023, 08:55 AM

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Still begs the question: did the stock -6 have the same charcoal canister system?

In short, yes. It appears to be another early vs late model cars change. Not 914-4 vs 914-6.

According to the current Porsche Factory Parts catalog (pdf version) there was one part number for the components of the Tank ventilation with carbon canister for both models Bis Ende Mod. 73 (through 1973):For 1974- the canister and strap part numbers changed.

Posted by: fixer34 May 25 2023, 07:24 PM

QUOTE(DennisV @ May 23 2023, 09:55 AM) *

QUOTE(mountainroads @ Jul 12 2013, 07:08 PM) *

Still begs the question: did the stock -6 have the same charcoal canister system?

In short, yes. It appears to be another early vs late model cars change. Not 914-4 vs 914-6.

According to the current Porsche Factory Parts catalog (pdf version) there was one part number for the components of the Tank ventilation with carbon canister for both models Bis Ende Mod. 73 (through 1973):
  • 113-201-801-A Carbon canister
  • 914-201-061-10 restraining strap
For 1974- the canister and strap part numbers changed.
  • 171 201 801 carbon canister (a couple variations on this number)
  • 113-809-169 Support with restraining strap

Happened across this thread. I've seen other discussions about the charcoal canister on the fuel tank. My March '70 -6 did NOT have one when I bought it in July 1977 and I didn't/don't see anything that looks like it was removed. It is a US spec car.

Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 12 2023, 08:55 AM

QUOTE(fixer34 @ May 25 2023, 08:24 PM) *

QUOTE(DennisV @ May 23 2023, 09:55 AM) *

QUOTE(mountainroads @ Jul 12 2013, 07:08 PM) *

Still begs the question: did the stock -6 have the same charcoal canister system?

In short, yes. It appears to be another early vs late model cars change. Not 914-4 vs 914-6.

According to the current Porsche Factory Parts catalog (pdf version) there was one part number for the components of the Tank ventilation with carbon canister for both models Bis Ende Mod. 73 (through 1973):
  • 113-201-801-A Carbon canister
  • 914-201-061-10 restraining strap
For 1974- the canister and strap part numbers changed.
  • 171 201 801 carbon canister (a couple variations on this number)
  • 113-809-169 Support with restraining strap

Happened across this thread. I've seen other discussions about the charcoal canister on the fuel tank. My March '70 -6 did NOT have one when I bought it in July 1977 and I didn't/don't see anything that looks like it was removed. It is a US spec car.



IIRC.. I think the 914-6 charcoal canister was only on cars sold in California. Mine has a canister, but the lines back to the engine were removed somewhere in the past. I know it was originally sold in LA, based on the research I did.


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