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Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 12 2007, 02:10 PM

So if you take a serious look at this mish-mash of mostly OEM stockness, can you tell what it is & what's not right? By my own count it's at least 13 different things that just are not "Kosher" . What belongs & what does not? Or, can you tell what it's supposed to look like fully restored?




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Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 12 2007, 02:12 PM

another CW incorrect, yet mostly OEM view


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Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Sep 12 2007, 02:53 PM

What year car? Four or Six? Some things jump right out,others....it depends.

Paul

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 12 2007, 04:03 PM

Paul- the throttle control lever in front of the stick shift is a dead give-a-way that she's a six. That means 70 or 71.

There are so many things "CW wrong" with the insides & yet it's almost all period correct & OEM.

I am a renegade purist . Another shot for study. Pat? Dave? Dr914? Gustl? Andy? Eric?


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Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 12 2007, 04:14 PM

For comparison only- a near perfect, OEM, CW approved, 74 LE interior (not including the floor mat):


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Posted by: Travis Neff Sep 12 2007, 04:15 PM

door handle cups should be chrome
gauges in center depot, radio
porsche crest on steering wheel
later model passenger seat
mismatched color on map pocket and passenger door pull
black sill (door seal retainer)
door panels should be smooth rather than basketweave
seat adjuster handles not stock
speaker pods in kick panels not stock
no center vent on dash (unless that was an early -4 only thing)

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Sep 12 2007, 04:20 PM

The wiper control stalk made me think it was a /6 but the adjustable passengers' seat made me think it might be MY72. So the seat, of course, is incorrect then for the year.

The s/w crest shouldn't be painted.

I've never seen factory console gauges like that in a /6.

The radio !

I can't really make out the window winders, but the door pull surrounds look black, my '70/4 has chrome.

It looks like the carpet is of the "loop" variety, that would be wrong.

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 12 2007, 04:22 PM

yes- but OEM
yes- but OEM, yes- Blaupunkt Sacramento
yes- but OEM
yes- but OEM
not that I'm aware of
yes- not plastic, painted aluminum
yes- but OEM
yes- Camp 914 SS handles
yes- Sonys
no idea

excellent observations!

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 12 2007, 04:25 PM

Yes
It's not painted, it's a OEM 356 hood emblem, flatened & mounted
YES
Yes, Blaupunkt Sacramento
Window winders are period correct for 1970, wrong for 1974. All black in 74. Door pulls are 74, wrong for 70.
Carpet is supposed to be factory loom, only it's a lot more brown than Cinnamon/Tan.

Posted by: Travis Neff Sep 12 2007, 04:29 PM

From the look of the center depot, the carpets should be the grey perlon and the vinyl should be black (from the dash face and map pocket/pass door pull)

Posted by: Travis Neff Sep 12 2007, 04:31 PM

And the steering wheel looks like it has been rewrapped in leather (looks thicker than an OEM one)

Missing dog bone footrest

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 12 2007, 04:32 PM

No & yes.

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 12 2007, 04:33 PM

YES Now a 73 911 RSR steering wheel, w/ 356 hood crest.
Yes ! Did they make one in Cinnamon/Tan?

Posted by: orthobiz Sep 12 2007, 04:42 PM

Maybe I missed it: do you have a personal interest in this car or is it just a fun Where's Waldo Husker Du kinda find & match game???

Paul

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 12 2007, 04:46 PM

Paul- yes & yes It's not right, but it is. Call it a CW nightmare Another shot for study-


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Posted by: orthobiz Sep 12 2007, 07:12 PM

Well, if it's a nightmare, at least it's a very well put together one! For a driver, that car is easily lived in. In fact, you don't have to kick yourself if there's a piece of dirt on your shoe!

Paul

Posted by: orthobiz Sep 12 2007, 07:28 PM

Left dash gauge is wrong: oil temp on top, fuel on bottom for 914/6.

Paul

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 12 2007, 07:37 PM

YES! 1970 911S Oil Temp & Press

Posted by: Pat Garvey Sep 12 2007, 09:02 PM

So........
Can we assume that this is the 2.7 in your byline?
Pat

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 12 2007, 09:25 PM

Umm, yes

Posted by: sixerdon Sep 12 2007, 09:32 PM

The entire dash sub-assembly has been replaced.
Anyone know why?

Don

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 12 2007, 09:38 PM

Dash sub-assembly? Not sure what you mean.

Posted by: sixerdon Sep 12 2007, 09:43 PM

Let's see if someone else can pick up on it. If you did not build this car, you may not even realize it.

Don

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 12 2007, 09:47 PM

I didn't build this car, but I am re-building it. Curious what you're refering to, because I am quite familiar with the car.

Posted by: sixerdon Sep 12 2007, 09:53 PM

OK. To confirm my statement, open the front hood and take a picture under the cowl in either corner.
Don

Posted by: sixerdon Sep 12 2007, 09:56 PM

OK Al,
My bad. I saw that last picture and thought it was your six. It's your LE.
Time for bed.
Don

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 12 2007, 10:01 PM

Still not sure what you mean & the car has been repainted so what should I be looking for under the cowl?


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Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 12 2007, 10:09 PM

No, it is my six, not my LE. LE should cruise through any concours, anywhere. The six looks far from original, but is still very factory looking. The dash is a 914 dash & I suspect it's the original. The instruments however, are far from 914. Only one 914 gauge in the car. Half are 1970 period correct & all OEM.

Posted by: jd74914 Sep 12 2007, 10:56 PM

I don't believe that for that color interior the door arm rests/pockets should be black on the bottom half.

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 13 2007, 06:34 AM

I know what you're referring to, but they're also all black in my 100% stock LE. I don't know what year 914s had the interior-matching, Cinnamon/Tan door pockets. In any case the originals were black so they do belong. Be nice to find some Cinnamon/Tan pockets & see how they look . Photo is supposed to be a 73.


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Posted by: sixerdon Sep 13 2007, 06:43 AM

The 4th picture down is what I was looking at. I was fooled initially by the tan interior of both your cars. Isn't that 4th picture of your LE dash?
Don

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 13 2007, 06:55 AM

Yes Don, 4th pic is the LE. I put it in the thread as a reference. I'm still confused though, the dash has not been removed from the LE, ever. All the gauges in the LE belong & are the original instruments. However the six is still the subject of this thread. Her interior is a mix of OEM 70 & 74 interiors, w/ a pinch or two of 924, 911 & 356 parts added for flavor .

Posted by: jd74914 Sep 13 2007, 07:47 AM

Interesting . . . on my brown car the bottoms are color matched to the interior. I bet the /6 would look good with some Tan pockets

Posted by: sixerdon Sep 13 2007, 08:15 AM

I'm the one who was confused. I thought the 4th picture was that of your six. Nothing wrong with your LE dash unless it was in the six. Just ignore my original statement.
Don

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 13 2007, 09:23 AM

To be honest, I belive the door pockets in the six are brown & have been dyed black in a previous, umm "upgrade"... . Door pockets in the LE are real black, always have been. I really would like to find the Cinnamon door pockets, just to make the six a little more different than the LE. I think it was a 73 thing. I kept the 70 black & chrome window cranks in the six, for that reason. Previous incarnation also had retractable seat belts poorly installed. Very period correct, non-retractable ones now. The previous re-design also included the small, non-914 (1975 & up Porsche, VW, BMW, etc...) VDO gauges. They were also installed, although not working right, in the 1970 center console, and w/ a brown vinyl face plate . Only 1 gauge is a 914 gauge, the tach is also 1970 911. Spedo is the only original gauge in the car. A previous post stated that the carpet should have been Grey because of the center console. Close, but no- should be black. That color, early console, came w/ a lot of the darker colored carpeting, not just the grey needle loom.

So to recap:
Gauges- only 1 is correct & there are not supposed to be any in the center console.
Steering wheel is wrong.
Carpet was not available in that color loom in 1970
Passenger seat updated.
Interior leatherette color not available in 1970.
Wrong year arm rest/center compartment.
Black thresholds.
Door handle/lock cups.
Camp914 seat adjuster handles.
Floor mats, radio & speakers.
Can't see:compartment light made in Mexico, Engman aluminum pedal plate & JWest fuse box.

Anything else I'm not aware of

Posted by: TedK Sep 13 2007, 11:24 PM

Al, what is involved in converting the passenger seat to adjusting? Any body mods(welding, etc) reqired?

Thanks

Ted K

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Sep 14 2007, 07:55 AM

Ted-
A previous owner had the right half of the floor pan replaced after it rusted out. It was replaced with a later model, factory floor pan (stamped & coated w/ a thick white resin). These have the 2 rear seat, floor reinforcements already attached. So when this pan was welded in, all that was missing was the front tilt bracket mount, which was welded onto the crossmember & the rear hinges that hold the back of the seat (welded onto the reinforcements). I don't know if original six pans, sans seat reinforcements, are even available.

Once the floor brackets are all in place a later style interior can be plopped right in. Not CW correct, but this car has already been bastardized & it's much more comfortable for the passenger over the original. I like to modify w/ OEM parts for the "factory" look. Confuses the CWs'


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