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914World.com _ The Paddock _ Turkey Bowl 2012 - Summit Point
Posted by: MikeSpraggi Dec 7 2012, 10:17 PM
Here is a short in-car video of the second race of my 3 day race weekend at Summit Point Motorsports Park in W.Va. This race was black flagged on the second lap. I was down on power and torque, but ran the event anyway (getting that taken care of this off season). There were about 6 914's in the Group 2 (2 liter and greater) races with a lot of other nice vintage racers.
I built the yellow car specifically for vintage racing and this was my first vintage event that ever I raced in. What a rush!
Oh yea, that green 914 in front of me on the start is a real GT. The #19 Max Moritz car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TD6PeZritI
Posted by: john rogers Dec 7 2012, 11:41 PM
Sounds like a 4 cylinder? If you are going to do many of these races I would suggest getting a 6 and putting that in it. A 2 liter six will last for years possibly as long as it is not over revved and has a good oil system/cooler and in the long run will be cheaper. The 4 cylinder engines I had would last 2 or 3 race weekends max and the first 2L six I had lasted 26 race weekends! That is usually 6 20 or 30 minute sessions a weekend. The down side is it used double the gas a 4 did BUT was a much better idea! Besides there are only a very few GT bodies type fours and they all raced IMSA I think?
Posted by: MikeSpraggi Dec 8 2012, 01:49 AM
Sounds like a 4 cylinder? If you are going to do many of these races I would suggest getting a 6 and putting that in it. A 2 liter six will last for years possibly as long as it is not over revved and has a good oil system/cooler and in the long run will be cheaper. The 4 cylinder engines I had would last 2 or 3 race weekends max and the first 2L six I had lasted 26 race weekends! That is usually 6 20 or 30 minute sessions a weekend. The down side is it used double the gas a 4 did BUT was a much better idea! Besides there are only a very few GT bodies type fours and they all raced IMSA I think?
It's a 2.2 six.
Posted by: bulitt Dec 8 2012, 05:51 AM
Did the 914/6 blow his engine?
Posted by: brant Dec 8 2012, 08:20 AM
Nice.
vintage racing is so addicting
all racing is great, but in vintage there is so much competition for a 914, unlike PCA club racing. the 6 or 7 years I ran it.
Great for you
The max owner was on the board a while back
I still think the 914's are growing in numbers for vintage
Did they run you out of class because of the bigger motor?
usually the wrong motor equates to exhibition...
if you are planning on motor work, you may want to reduce your bore and go legal. its such a great sport its important to honor it
you did a great job
it sounds like a little bit of jetting transition is in your future
you can work with the air corrections to adjust that transition and maybe play with the e-tubes also.
fun
b
Posted by: zymurgist Dec 8 2012, 10:09 AM
Very cool. Rather "interesting" events on that run.
Posted by: john rogers Dec 8 2012, 07:49 PM
Opps, sorry, the RPMs sounded a bit low and that is what you were talking about with being down on power. When I had the 2L six it was cammed to run up to about 8400 RPM in "emergencies" and normally shifted about 7200 to 7400 RPMs. I found that keeping the revs about 5000 in any corner made the car accelerate much better with little lag time. You will find the race sessions are much harder on the running gear and frequent oil changes (after every race weekend) and trans fluid changes will be the norm. I used to buy my 15-50 Mobile 1 oil in the big jugs at Walmart when they had them on sale and that was a huge help. I will imagine a trans cooler will be in your future also????
Posted by: gsomersjr Dec 11 2012, 04:42 PM
Congratulations on your first event! Sounds like you completed the main objective for your first time....bringing it home in one piece. Summit was where I raced my 914 with SCCA. You can brake much much later and carry more speed into the corners but creep up on it. Don't try to get it all in one weekend. Try not to track behind a smoking car...they can spin you before you know what's happening. A few tips I picked up at Summit...stay tight on the start, this is where you will gain most of your positions for the whole race...don't lift going down the chute or you could visit the drivers left tire wall, backwards....a lot of drivers don't like to pass in 5 so if you see a chance, take it, they'll let you have it but run like hell so they can't get you back going up 8....10 is where all your lap time comes from. You have to go through here fast because you're entering a 3000' straight. It should scare you a little bit. If you've got a car you can't get around lay off him a bit and get a run on him through 10. You should pass him between start and 1. Also when you go through 8 aim your car to track center under the bridge. You can't see the entry for 10 until you crest tthe hill but this will take you straight to it. A good reference point for turn-in at 3 is the access road. It feels too late but you get used to it. Enjoy!
Posted by: MikeSpraggi Dec 12 2012, 12:15 AM
Did the 914/6 blow his engine?
The /6 ended up not blowing his engine, I heard it was the oil return tube, butl I don't remember seeing him run anymore that weekend.
Posted by: MikeSpraggi Dec 12 2012, 12:24 AM
Nice.
vintage racing is so addicting
all racing is great, but in vintage there is so much competition for a 914, unlike PCA club racing. the 6 or 7 years I ran it.
Great for you
The max owner was on the board a while back
I still think the 914's are growing in numbers for vintage
Did they run you out of class because of the bigger motor?
usually the wrong motor equates to exhibition...
if you are planning on motor work, you may want to reduce your bore and go legal. its such a great sport its important to honor it
you did a great job
it sounds like a little bit of jetting transition is in your future
you can work with the air corrections to adjust that transition and maybe play with the e-tubes also.
fun
b
No, I didn't get run out of class. For VRG, Group 2 which I ran in the Turkey Bowl, or more specifically class C1 (part of Group 2) permits 1.6 to 2.5 liters production sports cars up to 1972. Most of the 914's were a "little" above 2 liters if you know what I mean. But you're right, the teeners with the larger engines run with the Big Bore production sports cars. VRG is a very good group to run with.
Posted by: MikeSpraggi Dec 12 2012, 12:26 AM
Opps, sorry, the RPMs sounded a bit low and that is what you were talking about with being down on power. When I had the 2L six it was cammed to run up to about 8400 RPM in "emergencies" and normally shifted about 7200 to 7400 RPMs. I found that keeping the revs about 5000 in any corner made the car accelerate much better with little lag time. You will find the race sessions are much harder on the running gear and frequent oil changes (after every race weekend) and trans fluid changes will be the norm. I used to buy my 15-50 Mobile 1 oil in the big jugs at Walmart when they had them on sale and that was a huge help. I will imagine a trans cooler will be in your future also????
Yes on the trans cooler in the future, assuming that the Mayan calendar perdiction doesn't come to pass on Dec. 21 this year.
Posted by: MikeSpraggi Dec 12 2012, 12:37 AM
Congratulations on your first event! Sounds like you completed the main objective for your first time....bringing it home in one piece. Summit was where I raced my 914 with SCCA. You can brake much much later and carry more speed into the corners but creep up on it. Don't try to get it all in one weekend. Try not to track behind a smoking car...they can spin you before you know what's happening. A few tips I picked up at Summit...stay tight on the start, this is where you will gain most of your positions for the whole race...don't lift going down the chute or you could visit the drivers left tire wall, backwards....a lot of drivers don't like to pass in 5 so if you see a chance, take it, they'll let you have it but run like hell so they can't get you back going up 8....10 is where all your lap time comes from. You have to go through here fast because you're entering a 3000' straight. It should scare you a little bit. If you've got a car you can't get around lay off him a bit and get a run on him through 10. You should pass him between start and 1. Also when you go through 8 aim your car to track center under the bridge. You can't see the entry for 10 until you crest tthe hill but this will take you straight to it. A good reference point for turn-in at 3 is the access road. It feels too late but you get used to it. Enjoy!
Thanks for the advice. After having many DE's at Summit main, although not with this 914/6, but a stock one instead, I've learned some of the suggestions you mentioned. I've stopped tapping the brake before turn 4 and now maintain/accelerate going through the chute. Took a little bit to get used to this (a lot of DE instructors suggest tapping the brake here), but once you get it, it's amazing how fast you close on cars coming into 5. The carousel through turn 1 is my favorite part of the track. When the car is running well, I believe I will "make up some lost time" there. Braking late into turn one is also great for the teeners as it's amazing how many cars we can outbrake! This whole vintage racing experience is such a rush.
Posted by: cambum4 Jan 12 2013, 05:58 PM
looked like you having fun - I am starting a new project and still looking to sell my 3.2 in the spring - glad you got to run.
Bill Smith
Posted by: jeff Jan 14 2013, 08:50 PM
A pinto.... I know they were fast but....
Posted by: MikeSpraggi Feb 21 2013, 02:48 AM
A pinto.... I know they were fast but....
Yea, I know .... I was really, really down on power and the had an issue with the floats in the carbs going around turns sputtering. Wait 'til next season, I'll pass a few Pintos
.
Posted by: brant Feb 21 2013, 08:16 AM
A pinto.... I know they were fast but....
Yea, I know .... I was really, really down on power and the had an issue with the floats in the carbs going around turns sputtering. Wait 'til next season, I'll pass a few Pintos
.Mike do you run an A/F meter?
that would clarify for sure... but usually sputtering is rich in the corners
there can be multiple reasons after working on the floats and jetting, I'd start to look at percolation modifications, and phenolic blocks on the manifolds
Posted by: MikeSpraggi Feb 21 2013, 07:19 PM
A pinto.... I know they were fast but....
Yea, I know .... I was really, really down on power and the had an issue with the floats in the carbs going around turns sputtering. Wait 'til next season, I'll pass a few Pintos
.Mike do you run an A/F meter?
that would clarify for sure... but usually sputtering is rich in the corners
there can be multiple reasons after working on the floats and jetting, I'd start to look at percolation modifications, and phenolic blocks on the manifolds
No A/F meter right now. It's at a shop that comes very highly regarded, especially for air cooled P-cars. Those are good points to address. Thanks.
Posted by: Randal Feb 22 2013, 09:52 AM
Looks like you're having way to much fun.
Nice machine and great workmanship!
Posted by: MikeSpraggi Feb 28 2013, 03:54 AM
Here's a link to the first practice session. Cold track, cold tires, first time driving this car more than a couple of laps, blah, blah, excuse, excuse .......
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeloUcWaYGs
Posted by: pcar916 Mar 19 2013, 03:22 PM
Truly the wrong link Mike.
Posted by: tscrihfield Mar 19 2013, 06:02 PM
Anyone else notice the hood fly up on the MG on the left @ 33 seconds in?
Posted by: MikeSpraggi Mar 21 2013, 08:35 PM
Truly the wrong link Mike.
What the ....... who is that guy??!!!
Try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeloUcWaYGs
Posted by: MikeSpraggi Mar 21 2013, 08:38 PM
Fixed the earlier link. Here's the correct link to the practice session.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeloUcWaYGs
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