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914World.com _ The Paddock _ 914 Crash at Pikes Peak
Posted by: Britain Smith Jul 1 2013, 10:33 AM
This may be one reason I have yet to compete in a hillclimb event.
Posted by: pcar916 Jul 1 2013, 10:44 AM
Did this driver make it out alive?
Posted by: yeahmag Jul 1 2013, 10:53 AM
Holy Crap!
Posted by: Randal Jul 1 2013, 11:34 AM
This may be one reason I have yet to compete in a hillclimb event.
That is terrible, hope the driver came out without injury.
Looks like he went off on the lower section and hit a rock or tree.
Just from the picture, no rear bars in the car and it doesn't look like he had front bars going to the shock towers, then forward to the torsion bar locations. The front just wadded up like there was nothing there.
I wouldn't run hill climbs without a complete end to end cage. And at Pikes Peak this is even more important as the average speeds are high (75mph for the fast guys) and now it's all paved.
And the car was running street tires.
Posted by: brant Jul 1 2013, 11:53 AM
Depending on class it may have been in a vintage class most of the local vintage classes do not allow cages that tie into the suspension
Posted by: brant Jul 1 2013, 12:27 PM
I know that car.
it was always called the "killer bee" back when it was a 4cylinder car
it changed hands 5 times and ended up at a shop in colorado springs
German Motor Craft.
I think Jack Heaveys assistant build it up and put a 6 into it
he claimed it to be a 2.0, but it had manifolds and case ID showing it to be a 2.4 if memory serves...
he added the flares and cage when he converted it. No vintage log book, so I'm not sure about the cage construction.
brant
Posted by: R8CERX Jul 1 2013, 01:19 PM
Oh my....
I do hope the driver is ok--if anyone has more updates, please advise.
Posted by: Woody Jul 1 2013, 02:03 PM
Holy shit.
Posted by: URY914 Jul 1 2013, 02:52 PM
Where'd you find the picture?
Posted by: Randal Jul 1 2013, 03:35 PM
Depending on class it may have been in a vintage class most of the local vintage classes do not allow cages that tie into the suspension
Someone should change the rules.
Posted by: brant Jul 1 2013, 05:19 PM
Na. Better to have rules that line up with national rules. Makes it possible to get into things like the historics at Laguna.
Vintage racing needs to stay vintage
Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 1 2013, 05:58 PM
electricc
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1db_1372700254
Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 1 2013, 06:00 PM
Evo
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1078439_jeremy-foleys-insane-pikes-peak-crash-video
Posted by: brant Jul 1 2013, 06:57 PM
160mph..
full run http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130701/CARNEWS/130709994
Posted by: Randal Jul 1 2013, 09:14 PM
160mph..
full run http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130701/CARNEWS/130709994
That's the average speed, right. Wow.
Posted by: grantsfo Jul 1 2013, 11:36 PM
Yep he survived and no he wasn't in vintage class. Pikes peak open class. I think this particular crash it was a good thing he was in soft 40 yea old flexy flyer as it absorbed all energy of hitting rock on passenger side. A more rigid car may have injured him.
I posted YouTube of crash on axpaddock.com on thread there
Posted by: bulitt Jul 2 2013, 05:37 AM
Posted by: carr914 Jul 2 2013, 06:14 AM
2 Things stick out for me
1 It always amazes me where spectators watch Rallies & Hill Climbs - that could have easily taken someone out
2 the Driver kicks the car like it's at Fault, when it is obviously he ran out of Talent
Posted by: Woody Jul 2 2013, 06:37 AM
2 Things stick put for me
1 It always amazes me where spectators watch Rallies & Hill Climbs - that could have easily taken someone out
2 the Driver kicks the car like it's at Fault, when it is obviously he ran out of Talent
Its amazing more spectators don't get hurt at these events. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz_GqTeI4U0
Posted by: grantsfo Jul 2 2013, 06:47 AM
160mph..
full run http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130701/CARNEWS/130709994
That's the average speed, right. Wow.
Average was 87 but that's still amazing. He laid waste to old record. And he beat Millen. It was cool to watch it live this year.
Posted by: Woody Jul 2 2013, 07:08 AM
In the 914 crash video, did you see how many guys were standing in the street so they could take pictures? Idiots.
Posted by: grantsfo Jul 2 2013, 07:23 AM
This may be one reason I have yet to compete in a hillclimb event.
Definitely not a sport for those with limited high speed track driving skills. I wouldn't even consider Pikes peak as its way too fast for my blood. Our regional events don't get anywhere near speeds they see on that mountain.
Posted by: Woody Jul 2 2013, 07:58 AM
Classic lift throttle oversteer. 
Posted by: Mr.242 Jul 2 2013, 08:14 AM
Looks like the driver made a small adjustment due to the dude who was kneeling near the fog line; clearly didn't help him.
But the biggest WOW. Check out the red lawn chair at the right front corner of the car after the car comes to rest. YIKES!
Posted by: Woody Jul 2 2013, 08:40 AM
Yeah when I watched the video again it appears the driver may have reacted to the guy taking pictures.
Posted by: 1stworks Jul 2 2013, 08:48 AM
Yeah when I watched the video again it appears the driver may have reacted to the guy taking pictures.
Good call...
Posted by: Randal Jul 2 2013, 09:06 AM
Yeah when I watched the video again it appears the driver may have reacted to the guy taking pictures.
Good call...
Sure looks like he lifted and turned a bit to move away from the guy in the blue shit. He was really cooking around that corner, like 4th gear.
Pikes Peak, now that it's totally paved, is fast driving everywhere. But unlike most tracks, where you could train yourself for that kind of speed, it will throw different weather at you on the way up. Super tough to do at 8 or 9 tenths!
Posted by: Randal Jul 2 2013, 09:35 AM
Looks like the driver made a small adjustment due to the dude who was kneeling near the fog line; clearly didn't help him.
But the biggest WOW. Check out the red lawn chair at the right front corner of the car after the car comes to rest. YIKES!
That is really unbelievable (red lawn chair). Guess people don't realize which way a car goes when it spins.
At Cascade Lakes I am always behind a tree, some obstacle, up on a hill or on the opposite side of the road from where a car will spin, when doing course work.
Posted by: Randal Jul 2 2013, 09:49 AM
Yep he survived and no he wasn't in vintage class. Pikes peak open class. I think this particular crash it was a good thing he was in soft 40 yea old flexy flyer as it absorbed all energy of hitting rock on passenger side. A more rigid car may have injured him.
I posted YouTube of crash on axpaddock.com on thread there
Having all the suspension point tied down with a complete cage would have allowed him to recover that over steer situation.
I'll take the complete cage and the ability for the car to do what I need it to do.
You really never know how much flex is there until you correct it.
Posted by: yeahmag Jul 2 2013, 10:25 AM
He absolutely steered to avoid the person taking pictures. That sucks.
Posted by: r_towle Jul 2 2013, 11:18 AM
2 Things stick out for me
1 It always amazes me where spectators watch Rallies & Hill Climbs - that could have easily taken someone out
2 the Driver kicks the car like it's at Fault, when it is obviously he ran out of Talent
Posted by: Rand Jul 2 2013, 11:55 AM
I'm not convinced he was trying to avoid a spectator. He was already drifting before he enters the frame of the video.
Not that it matters at this point. Sad that it happened.
Posted by: carr914 Jul 2 2013, 12:29 PM
I'm not convinced he was trying to avoid a spectator. He was already drifting before he enters the frame of the video.
Not that it matters at this point. Sad that it happened.
I Agree - if he had kept at his original angle, he might have dropped the right front off the pavement and hooked it outside. He either corrected because of his angle or the guy taking pictures, but he definately made a move. He should have kept his Right Foot in after he corrected.
Posted by: Randal Jul 2 2013, 12:55 PM
160mph..
full run http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130701/CARNEWS/130709994
That's the average speed, right. Wow.
Average was 87 but that's still amazing. He laid waste to old record. And he beat Millen. It was cool to watch it live this year.
87 is crazy fast.
Fastest time at Cascade is like 68mph average. I'm at 64mph.
Posted by: Randal Jul 2 2013, 12:56 PM
I'm not convinced he was trying to avoid a spectator. He was already drifting before he enters the frame of the video.
Not that it matters at this point. Sad that it happened.
I Agree - if he had kept at his original angle, he might have dropped the right front off the pavement and hooked it outside. He either corrected because of his angle or the guy taking pictures, but he definately made a move. He should have kept his Right Foot in after he corrected.
Early apex?
Posted by: URY914 Jul 2 2013, 02:18 PM
That car is fucked.
Posted by: yeahmag Jul 2 2013, 02:27 PM
The emblems on the back might be good still.
Posted by: grantsfo Jul 2 2013, 07:05 PM
I'm not convinced he was trying to avoid a spectator. He was already drifting before he enters the frame of the video.
Not that it matters at this point. Sad that it happened.
I Agree - if he had kept at his original angle, he might have dropped the right front off the pavement and hooked it outside. He either corrected because of his angle or the guy taking pictures, but he definately made a move. He should have kept his Right Foot in after he corrected.
Early apex?
Yep way early and he held it and entered faster than he was capable of driving. He would have lost it regardless of guy taking picture. Classic example of running out of talent in a poorly setup car. He held way too tight of a line given his speed. He had tons of room and didn't use it. He also lifted to try to slow car down late exit. He was steering car rather than guiding it with brakes and throttle. All classic mistakes. He was driving on streets like he was on race tires too. He just misunderestimated turn entry and then lack of experience paid him back. That was entirely savable mistake.
Also listen to revs. He's completely off throttle. If I had been in seat next to him I would have been yelling throttle throttle throttle to save myself from that rock.
Posted by: championgt1 Jul 2 2013, 11:20 PM
Amazing he climbed out of that car.
Posted by: Randal Jul 3 2013, 12:06 AM
I'm not convinced he was trying to avoid a spectator. He was already drifting before he enters the frame of the video.
Not that it matters at this point. Sad that it happened.
I Agree - if he had kept at his original angle, he might have dropped the right front off the pavement and hooked it outside. He either corrected because of his angle or the guy taking pictures, but he definately made a move. He should have kept his Right Foot in after he corrected.
Early apex?
Yep way early and he held it and entered faster than he was capable of driving. He would have lost it regardless of guy taking picture. Classic example of running out of talent in a poorly setup car. He held way too tight of a line given his speed. He had tons of room and didn't use it. He also lifted to try to slow car down late exit. He was steering car rather than guiding it with brakes and throttle. All classic mistakes. He was driving on streets like he was on race tires too. He just misunderestimated turn entry and then lack of experience paid him back. That was entirely savable mistake.
Also listen to revs. He's completely off throttle. If I had been in seat next to him I would have been yelling throttle throttle throttle to save myself from that rock.
Those two offs on my corner worker shift at turn 9 at Cascade Lakes happened for the same exact reason. Drivers were both hugging the right hand side, for an upcoming right hand corner and early apexed before the road opened up. Turn 9 is pretty fast, but not a fourth gear corner like that guy was trying to take.
I told all the new guys I worked with on course that the safest way on any mountain road is to stay in the middle of the road (from Dan Thompson), do your braking in a straight line and don't turn in until you can see the exit of the corner. So important on mountain roads as the entry to corners can sometimes seem to go on forever and depending upon terrain and trees you can't just look ahead. Actually 9 at Cascade Lakes is a perfect example.
Posted by: grantsfo Jul 3 2013, 11:51 AM
Those two offs on my corner worker shift at turn 9 at Cascade Lakes happened for the same exact reason. Drivers were both hugging the right hand side, for an upcoming right hand corner and early apexed before the road opened up. Turn 9 is pretty fast, but not a fourth gear corner like that guy was trying to take.
I told all the new guys I worked with on course that the safest way on any mountain road is to stay in the middle of the road (from Dan Thompson), do your braking in a straight line and don't turn in until you can see the exit of the corner. So important on mountain roads as the entry to corners can sometimes seem to go on forever and depending upon terrain and trees you can't just look ahead. Actually 9 at Cascade Lakes is a perfect example.
Yeah that Miata guy was way over his head and trying to get class record. Or was it somone else?
I was in 3rd most of uspper section. But then I get 92 MPH in 3rd gear. You would have known if I was in 4th as I would have been in the trees!
Im getting psyched for Hoopa! Although stockish motor just doesnt pull like blown one. Hoopa rewards big power and im donw 150 ponies.
Posted by: brant Jul 3 2013, 12:57 PM
I don't know about this year...
but I know in years past they would only have enough time to shut down the road in order to practice just one section at a time....
so it was something like 2-3 runs up one-third of the course on wed
another couple of runs up the middle third on thursday
and finally a couple of runs up the top section on friday....
hard to learn the course that way
so with 156 corners on the course, only the guys that have been there year after year really know what kind of corner they are coming up to next...
new guys don't know if its an early or late apex.. if its decreasing or increasing radius...
Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 3 2013, 02:01 PM
Thanks to Robert for the pics. You can google him and see more from PPIHC 2013
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Posted by: Trekkor Jul 3 2013, 02:32 PM
That's not "real" roll cage padding.
KT
Posted by: Trekkor Jul 3 2013, 02:33 PM
Why go up the hill on street tires?
KT
Posted by: OU8AVW Jul 3 2013, 02:38 PM
2 Things stick put for me
1 It always amazes me where spectators watch Rallies & Hill Climbs - that could have easily taken someone out
2 the Driver kicks the car like it's at Fault, when it is obviously he ran out of Talent
Its amazing more spectators don't get hurt at these events. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz_GqTeI4U0
That's crazy Woody, but did you see this one on the same page? Title: Car crashes into humping cows! enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCGe2E6p_Yg
Posted by: SirAndy Jul 3 2013, 03:17 PM
Did anybody get the VIN?
Posted by: grantsfo Jul 3 2013, 04:12 PM
Why go up the hill on street tires?
KT
Perhaps he heard it was raining at the top and didn't have proper grooved race tires? Who knows. I see a real mixed bag of cars at Hillclimbs. I don't think pikes peak is immune to hee haw factor.
Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 4 2013, 10:35 AM
Red Chair Guy...
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DGTAzC6mNduU%26feature%3Dyoutu.be&h=3AQEmDeVi
Posted by: Woody Jul 4 2013, 10:52 AM
"That's my chair, that's my chair" Yeah, yer a lucky dumbass.
Posted by: carr914 Jul 4 2013, 10:57 AM
Was that Aaron from Gas Monkey's next to him?
Posted by: Randal Jul 4 2013, 11:04 AM
Was that Aaron from Gas Monkey's next to him?
Yup.
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Jul 4 2013, 11:33 AM
Happy that the driver walked away.
Did you notice the R-front Fuchs wheel...although it is munched ,it is all there.
This would not be the same story with your basic Chinese knock-off cast aluminum copy. The Fuchs copies are sold by several big catalogue companies.
I wonder how many club tech staffers miss this important part of the inspection.
Marty
Posted by: bulitt Jul 5 2013, 03:19 PM
"That's my chair, that's my chair" Yeah, yer a lucky dumbass.
He can sell it on Ebay, brown spot and all.
Posted by: grantsfo Aug 5 2013, 01:46 PM
looks like I have joined the proud ranks of running out of talent crowd. LOL!
Posted by: grantsfo Aug 5 2013, 01:59 PM
But my crash was relatively cheap to fix. $400 new roof going back on soon. Was palnning to do plexi windshield. With rood off cage build will go easier too. LOL!
Posted by: brant Aug 5 2013, 02:45 PM
ouch ... I hope you didn't get injured
Posted by: Woody Aug 5 2013, 03:44 PM
Damn it. Well at least its not that bad and you came out unscathed. I've been watching the build of this car and it's quite a neat project.
Posted by: grantsfo Aug 5 2013, 04:59 PM
ouch ... I hope you didn't get injured
Fortunately not a scratch. While car was not fully caged (just a 4 point rollbar I use all safety gear, restraints, good Harness etc. Car was getting way too fast not to be caged and it was going to be last event with just rollbar before I put full cage in. ....oooops had to just laugh. Now we are going crazy with aluminum floors, removing nonstructural metal, etc.
Car is being built into an enduro racer. It runs on e85 and will have a stroker 4.0 liter motor., flat bottom , etc.
Posted by: bulitt Aug 5 2013, 06:49 PM
Glad you are ok! I rolled a Triumph Spitfire once. I guess if you dont push the limits you never find them.
That car has some strong roof pillars!
Posted by: grantsfo Aug 6 2013, 08:43 PM
Damn it. Well at least its not that bad and you came out unscathed. I've been watching the build of this car and it's quite a neat project.He he he its only just started. Next phase will be bonkers.
Posted by: Woody Aug 7 2013, 05:19 AM
If its going in the direction of the boxster it should be pretty mean. Looks like you're going tube frame. I think y'all got confused, squishing the roof shouldn't require taking out the floor to fix.
Posted by: bulitt Oct 7 2013, 06:53 PM
OOPS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq53IsrpOVc
Driver walked swam away unharmed.
Posted by: whitetwinturbo Jul 25 2016, 10:36 PM
.........is it just me or do I kinda wish the red chair guy just stayed in the chair during the whole ordeal 
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