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Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 27 2017, 09:46 AM

Trying to find motivation to keep her going and use her before I run out of time. I moved her to the workshop yesterday and today I put her transmission back in her. Need to change the gas tanks out as she has a 6 gallon tank in her now and I have a nice little 1.5 gallon tank for her. Only good for about 5 minutes of run time.

I backdated the picture because she looks totally deferent now. So I guess I should do that more often.

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This picture is by Carl La Fong, sorry if I miss spelled it Carl. She has Carerror script on her side. At that time I had just decided to make her my race car.

While driving the freeways of LA dressed in that livery she was passed in her lane by 911's 3 times. No one takes the time to read Carerror they only see Carrera.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 29 2017, 10:08 AM

Yesterday I got most of the parts back in Carerror and put her on the scale. She always puts a smile on my face.
LF 320. RF 321
LR 497. RR 478
Total. 1616
Those numbers will help to motivate me.
I know, I know...
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I need to get a new laptop.

Posted by: stownsen914 Aug 30 2017, 06:18 PM

I like the weight. Can you post a pic of 'er?

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 30 2017, 06:42 PM

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I like the weight. Can you post a pic of 'er?


Wish I could. Phone is so slow it times out before it can send a pic. Laptop doesn't talk to the phone. mad.gif

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Now I can.

Posted by: Cracker Aug 31 2017, 05:39 AM

Joe: Do you care to clarify what you mean by this statement?

PS: That is a CRAZY light teener - bravo! smilie_pokal.gif

Tony

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Trying to find motivation to keep her going and use her before I run out of time.


Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 1 2017, 06:34 PM

QUOTE(Cracker @ Aug 31 2017, 07:39 AM) *

Joe: Do you care to clarify what you mean by this statement?

PS: That is a CRAZY light teener - bravo! smilie_pokal.gif

Tony

QUOTE(914 Ranch @ Aug 27 2017, 11:46 AM) *

Trying to find motivation to keep her going and use her before I run out of time.


69 years old. I don't know how much longer I'll be able to work on the cars.
I did put a tranny in last week by hand. So I'm good to go for now.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 18 2017, 03:25 AM

Carerror is back up on the stands and I am about to finish the details for start up.
She has about 100 laps on her and I have about 3 A/X's behind the wheel.
One of the hardest things I had to do was getting the tire temperatures within 10°. The 911 guys running the same tire were running 31 psi so that is where I started. She likes to swap ends with that much air.
So at this time I have 15 psi in the rear and 14.5 in the front. The rear has nice scuffing on the edge near the first marker line and that is turning a nice blue.
The front shows no scuffing on the inside edge so I would like to have a little less camber. Running 3/4° now and I really don't want to run less air than 14 psi. Going to take a big rattail file to clearance the strut for less camber to try to get the inner edge to get scuffed.
I take the temps in 3 spots on each tire as the car comes back in. At the last race she only had an 8° difference in all 12 readings I took. I'm thinking that the temps were about 230 maybe that's too high.
Somehow it seems to me that I need about 15 more pounds of weight in the front of the car.
Maybe I should move my seat.

Joe Sharp
Team Sharp

Posted by: Cracker Sep 18 2017, 06:10 AM

So Joe, what are your hot pressures?

Tony

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 18 2017, 01:15 PM

Hey Tony, I am sorry, I kept my notes on blue tape on the fenders. I'll have to keep better track of p/t in a log.
Joe Sharp

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 19 2017, 04:47 PM

Today finished the shift linkage, clutch linkage, throttle linkage, muffler, starter wiring, battery location hot lead to the starter. Still have the carbs to clean and fuel lines in the engine bay, a bunch of electrical issues, change the tires and maybe next week have start up.
Joe

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 20 2017, 07:04 PM

Getting more things hooked up today. Pulled old fuel lines in preparation for new lines. Battery Terminal and wiring, found and installed ignition switch and connected it to the circut board under the dash, installed the steering wheel,
Gotta check the wiring under the dash, make sure it is ready and won't short out when I go to start it. Fuel lines, charge the battery and change the tires. Put some fuel in her.
Joe Sharp
Team Sharp

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 21 2017, 07:21 AM

Got fuel pump, tach jumped...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 24 2017, 12:00 PM

Sometimes I think my name is Homer. Dur...
Trying to stop push in the car I kept putting weight on the right front of the car. Finally getting the car dailed in I'm still thinking I needed another 15 pounds in the front of the car. When I was building the car I mounted the Sparco on adjustable tracks. Not legal in SCCA but is with the PCA. Next time she's up on the scales I'll put me in the car and move the seat back and forth and post the numbers.

Joe Sharp
Team Sharp



Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 25 2017, 06:10 PM

Changed the battery and got the motor to turn over. Hadn't heard that in a year and a half. Tidied up the cables under the car. Now need fuel lines from the fuel regulator to the carbs. Put some fuel in and she should fire right up.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 9 2017, 07:50 AM

Hopefully pic

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 9 2017, 12:14 PM

Carerror is a rust free California car.
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Skillfully patched and welded repairs. If Thomas would have seen this he would of cut the car up.

Posted by: SirAndy Oct 14 2017, 12:16 PM

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If Thomas would have seen this he would of cut the car up.

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Posted by: wndsrfr Oct 14 2017, 07:41 PM

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Hopefully pic

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You can drop at least 20-25 pounds from the ass end of the car if you switch to a set of megaphones from that big heavy muffler.....I have a pair I'll let you try...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 16 2017, 03:32 PM

Finished the carbs and got ready for fuel. Maybe tomorrow.

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Gosh, I love this car.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 21 2017, 05:16 PM

Carerror got start up today.

Posted by: campbellcj Oct 23 2017, 06:38 AM

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Carerror got start up today.


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Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 5 2017, 02:29 PM

Working on the interior of Carerror again and made up a cover for the tach. I thought the wires looked ugly. And I made up a new floorboard.
Old floorboard.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 5 2017, 02:31 PM

New tach cover and floorboard.

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Posted by: Cracker Nov 5 2017, 02:45 PM

Nice. Is the tach cover a re-purposed bike fairing?

Tony

Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 6 2017, 08:20 AM

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Nice. Is the tach cover a re-purposed bike fairing?

Tony


Thanks Tony, yeah, 05 GPZ 500, $28 on eBay.

Posted by: Cracker Nov 6 2017, 09:27 AM

In the name of flattery...I may follow your lead! I like it.

Tony

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QUOTE(Cracker @ Nov 5 2017, 04:45 PM) *

Nice. Is the tach cover a re-purposed bike fairing?

Tony


Thanks Tony, yeah, 05 GPZ 500, $28 on eBay.


Posted by: campbellcj Nov 7 2017, 11:15 AM

Cool idea - I have a more factory gauge cluster so I cut-down one of those stock-style ABS dash caps and only used that portion of it.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 7 2017, 11:09 PM

QUOTE(Cracker @ Nov 6 2017, 11:27 AM) *

In the name of flattery...I may follow your lead! I like it.

Tony

QUOTE(914 Ranch @ Nov 6 2017, 10:20 AM) *

QUOTE(Cracker @ Nov 5 2017, 04:45 PM) *

Nice. Is the tach cover a re-purposed bike fairing?

Tony


Thanks Tony, yeah, 05 GPZ 500, $28 on eBay.



Thanks Tony, not my idea, some guy named Richie from Culver City, did it back in the 70's. I just used less plastic.
But if I had a pizza oven...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 7 2017, 11:12 PM

Dam, now I am going to have to put a pizza​ oven in my next Bar-B-Q build.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 7 2017, 11:38 PM

Excuse me Tony, the tach cover is around the tach and covers the wires behind it. I like the windscreens too.

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Changed the switches and installing street legal lights.
Carerror is becoming an Outlaw again.

Posted by: rhodyguy Nov 17 2017, 11:16 AM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 20 2017, 04:26 AM

Hey Kevin...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 20 2017, 04:29 AM

Got some circuits in, lots of progress.

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New horns are awesome.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 22 2017, 01:31 PM

Getting ready to fill the box. That should take a day or two.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 22 2017, 01:33 PM

I like this picture.

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Posted by: 98101 Nov 25 2017, 06:17 PM

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I like this picture.

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Me too.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 3 2017, 07:47 AM

Stuff going in the box.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 5 2017, 05:08 PM

Got the E-box closed today and working on the fuel system. Gas tank going in.

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Have to change some things at the battery but that will just eliminate 2 big wires.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 7 2017, 03:23 PM

Inside the box.

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I have to put 8 mounting screws in and it's done.
One BFE (big fucken elephant) bites the dust...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 13 2017, 01:41 AM

Put in the 8 screws and cleaned up the wires a bit. Going to have to get back in there once more. I can still see some things that I can clean up.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 13 2017, 01:49 AM

Some progress uh? About a month​ ago.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 17 2017, 07:32 PM

Tonight

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Posted by: Justinp71 Dec 18 2017, 12:18 PM

popcorn[1].gif Looking Good!

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 18 2017, 12:43 PM

Finished the box in the engine bay today. Now comes the hard part, trouble shooting. Had a start up a couple of weeks ago.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 18 2017, 12:44 PM

This case is open and closed...

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 20 2017, 08:37 AM

More this morning, tidied up in the engine bay. Waiting for the CDI from CA.

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Hopefully that will lead to start up.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 20 2017, 05:22 PM

Off the jackstand, starts but doesn't idle. Tomorrow is another day.

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If she runs I'm going to unleash her onto the streets. I'm sure she has put on a few pounds, all that wireing isn't light. Fusch, there's 50 pounds of fuel now. I'll be lucky if she comes in under 1700.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 23 2017, 06:19 AM

Well she doesn't run, saved for the moment by the fuel system. The regulator is not happy with the fuel pump. Ordered a new one from CB and should be after Christmas.
Passenger seat and seatbelts are in. Got to check out the scales, I know that 2 of them are reading light. I need to check the pen inside the back up lights switch, I think it is in backwards. Figure out why the turn signals don't blink.
driving.gif to the insurance company,
driving.gif to the DMV.
Then just driving.gif

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 27 2017, 05:27 AM

Carerror got a speedo yesterday and today I got the paint scheme. Way Kool...

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 31 2017, 04:25 PM

Drove her today, nice....

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Posted by: Cracker Dec 31 2017, 07:03 PM

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Posted by: plays with cars Jan 1 2018, 12:02 PM

Nice job! The engine compartment is looking very tidy.

Bet it's a blast on the road and gets lots of funny looks. You should wear a leather helmet and old school aviator goggles. lol-2.gif

Posted by: campbellcj Jan 2 2018, 01:45 PM

Congrats! There's nothing quite like that first shakedown drive after completing a ton of work!

Posted by: stownsen914 Jan 3 2018, 09:12 AM

Can we get a shot of the car outside the garage? smile.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 3 2018, 10:10 AM

Before shot, she lost some weight. Was 1632# in this picture. Now at 1610#, changed the seat, tires and gas tank. Added lots of wire and headlights.

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Will post new pictures after the DMV.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 4 2018, 01:35 PM

Not letting me post pics.

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Got this one through

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 4 2018, 01:39 PM

And

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Really giving me a hard time posting pics.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 6 2018, 04:23 PM

Adjusting the head lights today, sun is about to go down.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 12 2018, 04:04 AM

Haven't had much time for Carerror lately but I did get her some new shoes. B F Goodrich 225 50 Pro Comp 2 AS all around. Only ten miles on them so I no idea what they are like.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 4 2018, 02:31 AM

Been working on everything but Carerror. Got the ceiling done and had some left over foam so I figured I could play with the car with it. We'll see how it goes. The last time I didn't have any idea what I was going to do to the car I wound up with a cowling and 2 windscreens. Nice... She does not have roll over showing scuff marks on the inside edges of the front tires. the front tires are down to 14.5 psi and I am thinking that less camber and air might do the trick but another 15 pounds of weight might help. Look, I am not thinking of down force just breaking up the air flow and adding about 15 pounds of wing out in front of the nose of the car. Any down force would be a bonus. I just want to see the inside edges of the front tires turning blue like the rears.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 8 2018, 02:57 PM

Kind of taking shape, what I had in mind but I got a long way to go.

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Click on the pic, sorry.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 8 2018, 03:01 PM

Another pic, probably just as bad.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 9 2018, 03:34 AM

I wanted to have the foil in the shape of the nose of the car so I bent a piece of 1" square aluminum, getting the lines from the hood. So far I like it. Got a piece of 1/4" plate for the goosenecks to hang the foil on and a location in the headlight bucktes to bolt them to. If I like this anymore I'll have to build another foil for the rear. I'm thinking aluminum. Not much body back there, have to put it over the wheel wells.


Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 11 2018, 08:08 PM

Got the foil rough sanded today. Working on getting the PC to talk to my camera so I can post pictures right side up.

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Wing looks good, wish my picture taking abilities where better than than my computer skills.

Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop Dec 12 2018, 06:56 AM

I can't figure out where your going with this foil but I'm looking forward to seeing it done... biggrin.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 12 2018, 05:47 PM

Thanks Shane, had to look up Marco Island.
Going to hang it out in front of her nose from goose necks mounted in the headlight buckets.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 15 2018, 04:54 PM

Looking at how the foil sits on the goosenecks.

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I don't know any more about what I'm doing than I do about posting these sideways ass pictures.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 15 2018, 06:13 PM

I think I like this one better.

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Out 1.5" and down 1". More in front of the nose.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 16 2018, 09:38 AM

More sideways pics. Mocking up the foil. I still like it.

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Posted by: stownsen914 Dec 16 2018, 10:38 AM

Good idea to put it out front in clean air. If you want to be more daring, you could mount it lower to the ground to get some additional downforce boost from ground effect aerodynamics!

In short, if you put the wing close to the ground (like an F1 front wing), you can up to double the downforce. I pulled out my racecar aero book by Joseph Katz to remind myself of the details, but the wing has to be 1-2 inches off the ground to take advantage of this, so it's not trivial to do well.

I'm pasting below an article I found that shows some data on boosting a wing's downforce using the ground effect. Figure 5a shows the downforce vs. height info.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6437/5e8d4494f64380e68d355ab92cca2f3de407.pdf

Posted by: sixnotfour Dec 17 2018, 05:09 AM

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Posted by: sixnotfour Dec 17 2018, 05:14 AM

QUOTE(stownsen914 @ Dec 16 2018, 09:38 AM) *

Good idea to put it out front in clean air. If you want to be more daring, you could mount it lower to the ground to get some additional downforce boost from ground effect aerodynamics!

In short, if you put the wing close to the ground (like an F1 front wing), you can up to double the downforce. I pulled out my racecar aero book by Joseph Katz to remind myself of the details, but the wing has to be 1-2 inches off the ground to take advantage of this, so it's not trivial to do well.

I'm pasting below an article I found that shows some data on boosting a wing's downforce using the ground effect. Figure 5a shows the downforce vs. height info.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6437/5e8d4494f64380e68d355ab92cca2f3de407.pdf


great info.. low in front on z 914 there is a brick behind it though ..unless its out front far enough??

Posted by: stownsen914 Dec 18 2018, 10:42 AM

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great info.. low in front on z 914 there is a brick behind it though ..unless its out front far enough??


Good point. Low in front of a 914 would be tricky for multiple reasons - clearance issues, and also challenges about getting the air out the backside of a low-mounted wing. May not make sense.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 18 2018, 04:29 PM

To close to the body will cause flow problems with the foil. If I knew what I was doing I probably never would have started this. If it dose not give down force it still adding weight to the front wheels and that should help with the tire readings. It's been a fun project so I'll just see where I go with it.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 19 2018, 12:01 AM

Maybe I should have done a swan's neck like when it's feeding off the bottom of a shallow lake. I once saw a big cardboard splitter on the front of a 914 that got me thinking. Now I'm thinking too much. The bracket for the swan's neck would have to be thick enough to pick up the front of the car. Has anyone ever seen a foil and splitter? I'm a fucken fuel fool fucken with front foils.

Posted by: stownsen914 Dec 19 2018, 05:01 PM

The side mounts like you're mocking up are probably your best bet. Make them a little bigger - a taller end plate will keep the air from spilling over the sides.

Cool project!

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 23 2018, 04:28 AM

OK I got this, wait hold my beer... 2" off the ground, that's tough but I accept the challenge. The weight will be a little more but I was doing this for the weight from the start.
So I need to lower the front of the car, which I wanted to do that anyway. I'll be pulling the front suspension apart to move the spindles up 30 mm and weld it in place. Should not change anything but the tow.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 24 2019, 02:16 AM

For a bump, my other car is not a real Porsche.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 24 2019, 02:21 AM

My other other car is not a real Bug.

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Lately I have been working on the front end of Carerror for the mounting of the front spoiler but no pics yet. Life has also been getting in the way.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 6 2019, 05:55 AM

This is coming along nicely. Can't wait to get to the bracketing. Got to drop the front end first.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 13 2019, 04:57 AM

Still sanding and have about 6 or 8 layer's of fiberglass to go. I might even be able to put some paint on it.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 13 2019, 05:46 AM

Yesterday I blocked the front foil up on the floor just to check it out. I put it about 2" off the floor tilted at about 10° and the leading edge is parallel to the ground. I stole the line for the beam from the front hood. I measured 10.5" up from the front edge which is just above the headlight well and drew the line.
Kind of tough making a compound curved square tube round would have been much more challenging. The foil has a little twist in it (about1°) but it is from not looking close enough before gluing all the foam pieces together. You'll never be able to see it when it's done.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 14 2019, 06:19 AM

Taking the front suspension apart today, going to move the spindles up 30mm.
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You can't do that on my front suspension. The housing on my suspension has shoulder above the spindle casting. There is a 2mm difference between the bottom and the top of the strut housing.
Regroup, put the car back together and build the brackets and fix the suspension later.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 16 2019, 09:35 AM

Reglass the end caps now that they are straight. I have more epoxy and some 1.5 cloth on order and that should finish the wing.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 18 2019, 05:15 AM

The wheels arrived so now I am installing them. I have 4 so 2 per side. Going to mount them to the end caps at the leading edge, the cap is 1/4 so I can tap it. One of them will be inside the foil.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 20 2019, 02:45 PM

Not much but I did make the cut out for the right side wheels.

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Right now I'm looking for a way to make a bump in the fiberglass.

Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop Feb 20 2019, 04:10 PM

Looking forward to seeing this finished.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 20 2019, 06:09 PM

Thanks Shane, I can't wait either. Working on it all the time. More fiberglass work inside the wheel cut out.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 22 2019, 04:21 PM

Got the wheels mounted. A few more layer's of fiberglass and I will have to build the Swansneck

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Coming out much better than I expected.

Posted by: stownsen914 Feb 23 2019, 08:49 PM

Are the wheels to protect the wing from hitting the ground?

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 24 2019, 02:28 PM

Yes, I plan on mounting the wings nose 3" off the ground. This is supposed to be an A/X only car but I have seen front wheels off the ground at PCA events. Sometime or another it is going to rub on the ground. I still plan on lowering the car an inch in the feature.
Today I made up these templates for the brackets to hang the Swansnecks on.

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Like I said before, "If I knew what I was doing I probably would never have started this project."

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 27 2019, 07:20 AM

Apparently I like to do things twice.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 27 2019, 07:24 AM

I've come to a dilemma about the wings. The targa bar is the problem. If I put a wing in the back of the car it has to be high enough to get clean air behind the targa. And then there is trying to make it disappear. Like rigging on a sail boat, put a foil on it.
How about make it a foil. There must be a reason nobody has made a foil out of a targa bar.
That's pretty wild, let's see where the Falcon I go with that.

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Posted by: stownsen914 Feb 27 2019, 01:29 PM

For the wheels on the front wing, just make sure that they never really touch the ground, at least during normal usage/runs. Agreed that a wheel touching is better than the wing hitting, but when the wheels hit the ground it will put massive forces on your mounts and where they attach.


Re: the targa bar, what about just putting a fairing/teardrop shape covering over it instead of making it a wing? I'm woindering if a mid-mounted wing would direct airflow upward and diminish the effectiveness of the rear wing.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 27 2019, 04:34 PM

I was thinking that it needs to have a pivot and something to push It back down when bumped up.

Posted by: Cracker Feb 27 2019, 09:15 PM

Hey Joe. If I am understanding correctly you are thinking of placing a wing in the center of the car...is that accurate? If so, I believe there would be no real benefit - it might even slow you down. Below is the sister car of my SCCA P1 - it is only used for hillclimbs and has been fitted with the front and rear wings. You're going to do what you want - as it should be too - but this system (as you know) is tried and proven. Keep up the great work!

T


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Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 28 2019, 06:35 AM

Thanks Tony, nice car. I like your 914 too. Unlike mine your's is very clean. I think I have decided on a color that your going to love. A '56 Ford color Spartacus firemist blue, had a Ghia I put a 356 motor in and painted that color when on emergency leave from Vietnam. It was nice to come home to a finished car, VW hot rod.

Posted by: Cracker Feb 28 2019, 07:57 AM

Cool Joe...I do like blue!

T

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 4 2019, 09:52 AM

Working on the brackets today. Some progress.

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Finally got my camera talking to my computer.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 5 2019, 03:01 PM

More of the Swansneck, got the rough patterns done. kind of like it but it might not be massive enough.

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i have to put a pivot in with a stop and a gas shock to push it back down when it gets bumped and I'll just figure it out as I go.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 5 2019, 03:27 PM

Oh and I'm working on a fairing for the targa bar.

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Need to cut the top of that seat down. All of this concern about aero started with the Sparco seat. It's headrest is bigger than my pilot chute on my skydiving rig. I want the air to flow through the car. These are the patterns for cutting out the foam pieces that will be glassed over just like the foil.

Posted by: stownsen914 Mar 6 2019, 09:31 AM

Looking good so far! Make sure there is room behind the front wing for the air to escape behind the wing, or you won't get good airflow under the wing.

Another aero thing you can do if you're so inclined - put a fairing behind driver's head, mounted to the engine lid. I did this on my 914. If memory serves, I bought one intended for an airplane and modified it to suit.

Posted by: stownsen914 Mar 6 2019, 09:45 AM

I couldn't find a good pic with my car's headrest/fairing in place, but there are a few pics of my car in the thread below to give you an idea. The first pic shows the engine lid with the headrest/fairing sitting on top of the rollcage while I was working on the car.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=320084&hl=stownsen914

Posted by: sixnotfour Mar 6 2019, 06:50 PM

smilie_pokal.gif cool man

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 7 2019, 11:32 AM

You know I expected someone to sound me about "Hold my beer" as I only drink Cazadores. And anyone that says I got this, hold my beer is usually about to do something really stupid. Well I think I was correct.

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Now to do it in metal…

I do GOT this. whers that beer???

Posted by: stownsen914 Mar 7 2019, 01:45 PM

Are the wing mounts attaching underneath the wing? Maybe you could mount at the end plates?

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 7 2019, 08:06 PM

I must have been confused, forgot what I had to say. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 8 2019, 04:29 AM

Really coming out much better than I thought it would. I'm planning on sandwiching a plate of aluminum (6" x 12") in between the Swansneck and the end caps about 3/8" above bottom of the wheels, about 2" off the ground. I can drill through the Swansneck, the plate and tap the end caps for adjusting the angle of attack of the wing. WOW!!! piratenanner.gif
For now it will be painted trim black.

Posted by: stownsen914 Mar 9 2019, 09:01 AM

Looking good! Will be looking forward to hearing how it works.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 14 2019, 10:47 AM

Got the pivot worked out this morning. Now I have the 2 templets that I need to finish them in aluminum.

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Posted by: euro911 Mar 14 2019, 02:17 PM

Is the support structure beefy enough to handle the lateral stress? ... Will it handle the recurring side-loads whipping through tight turns?


... 'asking for a friend' laugh.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 15 2019, 12:51 AM

Hey Mark, probably over thinking all of this but I don't believe that I am over building it. Hows Dianne?
I have said this before and probably will again. If I knew what I was doing I would never have started this project. It has been a really fun project though and not very expensive. I know that I don't think along the lines of the average person but I really don't mind…
I started all of this to add a little weight to the front of Carerror. Now it looks like I might be the recipient of the bonus of some Mystical Downforce. May The Downforce be with me. When I lower the front end I might have to raise the wing. Easy by just moving the bolt hole and the stop at the pivot down.

Off the wall, out of my mind, out in left field or just thinking out of the box????

Probably another month before I get to drive her. evilgrin.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 15 2019, 09:48 AM

More pics, the wing is setting 2 3/4" off the ground with an angle of attack at 10 degrees, 9" from the bumper. The end of the Swansneck has a hole in it that will bolt to the plug I will fill the square tube with. Back to making parts.
Swansneck, I guess I can call it anything I want. It's a Big Falcon Swansneck.

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Posted by: euro911 Mar 16 2019, 12:46 AM

QUOTE(914 Ranch @ Mar 14 2019, 11:51 PM) *
Hey Mark, probably over thinking all of this but I don't believe that I am over building it. Hows Diane?
I have said this before and probably will again. If I knew what I was doing I would never have started this project. It has been a really fun project though and not very expensive. I know that I don't think along the lines of the average person but I really don't mind…
I started all of this to add a little weight to the front of Carerror. Now it looks like I might be the recipient of the bonus of some Mystical Downforce. May The Downforce be with me. When I lower the front end I might have to raise the wing. Easy by just moving the bolt hole and the stop at the pivot down.

Off the wall, out of my mind, out in left field or just thinking out of the box????

Probably another month before I get to drive her. evilgrin.gif
Dianne is doing fine - had a surprise birthday gig for her big 60th after I got back from AZ last fall. Rented a theater from the city and had a friend's band play - had a great time.

Glad to see you're keeping busy and goofing around on stuff in the garage - I'm doing the same, never gets boring. I'm currently converting the v-nose trailer into a multi-purpose toy-box of sorts.

Currently working on the 'bathroom'

Fold-down shower pan, 'deployed'

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Have you thought about adding some gas-shocks or springs on the wing assembly? ... so it articulates with body roll?

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 16 2019, 02:27 AM

Yes, but that was a secret cause I haven't got that far yet. Something from behind the wing up to just above the pivot. Going to cut out the brackets today. I plugged the box beam yesterday need to drill and tap it and I will be ready to do the end caps. Still have to do some more glass work on the wing to make it finished then I can mount this beautiful piece of mechanical artistry. poke.gif

Carerror does not have much body roll to speak of but putting the wing that close to the ground it needs to be flexible.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 16 2019, 11:35 AM

Picture sucks but this is the progress on Carerror. Mock-up of the front wing is almost done. Not sure about the location of the pivot yet, my want to move it lower.

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Posted by: sixnotfour Mar 16 2019, 03:05 PM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 19 2019, 12:43 PM

Plates... I was thinking that I could put a spring behind the bumper between the bumper and the valance and just pull the wing back down when bumped up. It would only show as a wire.

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Posted by: euro911 Mar 19 2019, 01:48 PM

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Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop Mar 19 2019, 05:42 PM

So cool.

Posted by: Cracker Mar 19 2019, 07:28 PM

Joe,

I am not trying to be a negative-nancy but those brackets will need some serious reinforcement...it took me about a year to fine tune set-up. I see flexing (in every which way) wing struts often.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 19 2019, 09:15 PM

Thanks Tony, you are someone I would seriously like to impress. Everything I am doing here can be beefed up as it's all 1/4" and to tell the truth, if I wasn't doing this I would be board to death doing nothing.
Unless I go to Qualcomm I don't think the car will ever see the north side of 100. I am worried about flex on the rear wing but I haven't even started it yet.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 21 2019, 01:42 AM

Getting ready to cut out the brackets. Let's see how the picture came out. Ordered a new camera this morning really need to make this easier.

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Showed this picture to my brother and he called them, "Horse head brackets." I really like it but you just can't see it on the Carerror. So it's lost in the translation. I didn't plan any of this, it just happens.
Love the swoopiness of the Swansneck and it sounds os much better than Horse head bracket.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 21 2019, 02:04 AM

Making up the templates except for the straight lines I did it all freehand and scribing. My work has come along way. We'll see when I go to bolt them in.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 21 2019, 01:43 PM

Difficult, yes but unlike turbo charging a 914 it can be done.
The Brackets for the Swansneck now in aluminum. A lot of detail left to do but you got the point and I got the Force. Down Force.

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This has been fun and there is a lot of people watching.

Posted by: sixnotfour Mar 21 2019, 02:03 PM

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Posted by: stownsen914 Mar 22 2019, 08:40 PM

Looking very nice ... One question - will there be load on the end plates with your design that requires them to be made from the 1/4" stuff?

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 23 2019, 01:53 PM

No, it's just what I had laying around.

Posted by: sixnotfour Mar 23 2019, 06:00 PM

mock up

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 23 2019, 06:47 PM

No longer in mock up. I have the pieces for the other side and this is what I am going to use. Now I have to make it all fit together.
More pictures tomorrow.

Posted by: euro911 Mar 23 2019, 11:39 PM

It's not engineered ... he's just winging it poke.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 24 2019, 08:12 AM

Yeah what he said!!! agree.gif
The first time I ever heard of an unsponsored racer they were called a privateer, lately I heard TC call them underfunded. My hole life is underfunded. I scrounge material where ever I can find it. All I needed for this project is the wheels and stuff for the fiberglass. It has been a really cool project and even though it isn't complete yet I believe it is going to make the car appear much more intimadating. Especially when I finish the fairing and the rear wing.

Posted by: euro911 Mar 24 2019, 01:55 PM

It's already scary black, so if you make it look even more intimidating, you're gonna have to classify it an AR-914, assault teener.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 24 2019, 08:00 PM

She is not going to stay black, at some point in time I would like to be able to put some color on her. Thomas and Dan wanted her flat black, I was thinking flat primer yellow. At this point I am thinking about a blue and orange. It seems my time estimates are much worse than Eions. You know, Island time, Elon time and Joe Sharp's time. The slowest.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 25 2019, 04:31 AM

OK so I got curious and asked Google. Looked up the information on a Piper cub and it can lift 14.2 pounds per square foot of wing area. I have 3.8 sf of foil for a grand total of 53 pounds of force. I'll weigh all of the parts and post it later. Right now some resin is drying and it will be a few hours before I can move it.
The foil weighed 7 lbs and the brackets weighed in at 11 and at this time there is no hardware. So roughly 20 pounds added to the front of the car. When I started this project I was thinking about 15 would be good.

Posted by: euro911 Mar 25 2019, 05:24 AM

It would be cool to have the ability to control the angle of attack from the cockpit idea.gif

... kind of like when I could adjust the ignition timing's advance/retard settings on my '67 bus to find that 'sweet spot' (when heading over the Grapevine on the way up to the Kern River) aktion035.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 25 2019, 04:20 PM

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It would be cool to have the ability to control the angle of attack from the cockpit


Damn Mark, I was just getting to the point that I could actually start fitting the brackets to Carerror. Maybe I can make it adjustable later, good idea though.
Pics from a new camera. No idea how this is going to come out. Last time I changed cameras the pics came out sideways.
Too Falcon big…
Changed cameras back

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Posted by: euro911 Mar 25 2019, 04:33 PM

Joe, go into the camera's menu and reduce the image file size - or save the image(s) on your computer and reduce the pixel size(s) in there

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 25 2019, 10:44 PM

Thanks Mark, done in camera. I'll do a test pic in the morning.

Posted by: yeahmag Mar 26 2019, 09:51 AM

Very cool project. Love the DIY aspects. I'm a total dumpster diver for parts too.

Team Underfunded!

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 26 2019, 02:38 PM

Ummmm

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 27 2019, 02:57 AM

Trying a new camera out, so bear with me please.

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OK lets see how this came out.

I like it….

Posted by: euro911 Mar 27 2019, 03:16 AM

Cool. So are the 'hinges' there so you can fold the assembly up over the front trunk?

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 27 2019, 03:55 PM

The hinge is to keep from doing damage to the car when the wing gets slammed by some drainage gutter or bump on course. The wing is only 2" off the ground and I have seen cars with their front wheels off the ground from uneven payment. This morning I got the spring worked out for the power to pull the wing back down when it gets bumped.
Latest picture.

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Posted by: euro911 Mar 27 2019, 08:46 PM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 31 2019, 07:18 PM

I worked on the wires until I got board then I started to do the targa bar fairing. The wires are looking really good but at one time I got burned out working on them continually and haven't been able to work on them for months. I have some Fiberglass work to do also. So maybe by changing up the projects I'll be able to avoid burnout.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 2 2019, 03:27 PM

So I have been working on the wire looms doing heat shrink and there is little reason to take pictures because as you progress the colors disappear. Got the license plate light wire done.

Posted by: euro911 Apr 2 2019, 03:38 PM

So, in essence, you're saying you had wiring issues that were 'looming' ? poke.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 3 2019, 04:27 PM

Yes this is a Looming event. Only have under the dash to go. Already sorted into 3 groups and ready for heat shrinking.

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Hopefully I can finish this tomorrow.

Posted by: euro911 Apr 3 2019, 11:06 PM

Are you going to wrap the harness(es) in some of that corrugated split loom stuff ... or ?


I started on some electrical wiring stuff today too ... in the trailer though - the 120VAC part. Installed and wired up a small breaker box, transfer switch and a 3kW (RMS) power inverter. Will get the outlet boxes and Romex and run tomorrow, then on to the DC/solar stuff ...

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 4 2019, 07:55 AM

Hey Mark, I'm putting heat shrink on everything.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 4 2019, 09:46 PM

Pulled the dash apart to expose the next to the last of the wires need attention. The last wires will be the ones in the front trunk, the headlights and the turn signals.


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Going to order some new gauges for her in the morning.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 4 2019, 10:17 PM

i really want to clean her but in a few days I'm just going to do some more sanding and she will just wind up just like she is again. Oh and yes, the LN-1 is coming out. For the life on me I could not remember what I had done to hold the dash face to the top of the dash. Duck tape, I had put the dash in place, marked it, turned it up-side down and taped the face to the dash top, the inside corners of the dash were held in by the dash top and the door panel. The dash top was held down by the mirrors. The interior looked incomplete until I made up the inside corners and put them in.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 5 2019, 06:52 AM

OK. Here we go again. Now that I have the dash apart I think it is time to do some other stuff that I was thinking about. Like the seat and the targa bar. For a while now I have been thinking about a cold air intake for Carerror. But I am getting ahead of myself.
l would like to thank this board for all the input that you guys have given me. Pushed me Right out of my comfort zone and brought out more creativity than I knew that I had in me.

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Making a cold air intake makes the rear view mirrors useless. The mirrors hold the dash in place. i need to make up some sort of bracket to move the mirrors out word. something swopy I hope.

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Posted by: sixnotfour Apr 5 2019, 10:13 AM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 5 2019, 01:03 PM

More cold air to the engine gotta be a good thing.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 5 2019, 04:00 PM

So the other day I was checking out some you-tube stuff about F1. I saw a vid about the differences between Hamilton's 18 and 19 rides. One of the things they pointed out was the point at the top of the roll hoop that they pick up broken cars with. use to be like a cross, Now it is in the shape of a teardrop with yellow caution lights on it that tells everyone do not touch the car as the car is charged.
I'd like to thank Scott for the inspiration about the front wing and for being correct about the targa bar fairing.

Patterns.
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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 7 2019, 07:08 PM

Got a lot done today, just about ready to install the switches. All the wires except the dash are in heat shrink. Whats left is the lights on the dash, Tach, Idiot lights, Oil pressure gauge, Oil temp gauge, high beam and the turn signal indicators and the shift light.

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All that extra lights and stuff not needed for a sub 1600 pound A/X ax is there so when I get busted for driving her on the streets I'll at least be legal.

Posted by: falcor75 Apr 8 2019, 06:46 AM

Do you really need the cold air intake to stick out on the side of the car?
I'm guessing you wont run a rear windscreen so why not just put the scoop between the seats under or above the targa bar?

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 8 2019, 11:14 AM

Yeah Mat, I probable don't need cold air intake. Just like I don't need stuffed peanut butter cookies either. But there awsom and I can build them.



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Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop Apr 8 2019, 02:33 PM

I agree with Matt.

With that said I'd love to see what you plan on for the side intakes. piratenanner.gif

Cool build

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 9 2019, 02:55 AM

This morning I got all the wires located, I know where all the wires go. Didn't know that when I put the box together. I have 2 more batches to heat shrink and a few more wires to cover. I'm doing the trouble shooting in the front trunk. I usually install every thing into the car and then do the trouble shooting. This should go much quicker.

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I will really be glad to be done with this. It has been a lot of work.


Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 9 2019, 06:07 AM

Gotta change out that fuel tank. The other one is much more cool looking.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 11 2019, 12:16 AM

Found a bad relay. Order a new one but won't be here till Friday. Still have plenty to do. Wash Carerror. Change the fuel tank and lines. Funny that I don't use methanol fuel except in the cars, I keep the boat full with none meth and fill the tools and toys from it. Still the fuel lines in Carerror have gotten hard in just 2 years. I guess when we switch over to electrons Methanol will go away.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 11 2019, 05:26 PM

Got the last of the heat shrink done, some small things to take care of. Still have to reassemble the dash. But pretty much the wiring loom is complete.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 12 2019, 09:07 PM

So I totally forgot about the fit of the small fuel tank with the E-Box. It is going to work.

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I liked this tank from the moment I saw it. First saw it at a boat show in LA, knew it was perfect for an Auto Cross car. Used in Drag Boat racing and made in So Cal. Holds 1.5 galons, about enough for 5 minutes of fast driving. Perfect for tag teaming the car. You get 4 laps and come in and refuel the car while the next driver takes care of tire temp and pressure.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 14 2019, 03:20 PM

A little more progress today. Installed the fuel tank and switches and put the dash cover and the gauges back in. Still have about 4 single wires to heat shrink left.
Some more pictures.

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Really looking good which helps me to do more.
Thanks for watching.

Posted by: euro911 Apr 14 2019, 10:11 PM

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Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop Apr 15 2019, 02:43 PM

What engine are you running?
Wondering what your HP to weight is.
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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 15 2019, 05:42 PM

Hey Shane, she is running a 78 3.0 with carbs. Probably less than 200HP and the weight is around 1600 pounds.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 16 2019, 06:40 PM

Got a little more done today, cleaned some, put the dash back together and installed the mirrors. Still have to hook up the tach and indicator lights. Running the dash lights when the key is on.
Picture of the day.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 17 2019, 01:33 AM

Both of the windscreens are broken so this is a good time to replace them. I ordered them yesterday and when they arrive I'll post pictures of the installation. I was a little rough installing them the first time but this time I have a better handle on what I want and better tooling to make it happen.
Mark was correct as far as a plan goes I usually don't have one, when I decided to put a front wing on, I had no idea where I was going with it. And I stated that on, "What did you do to your 914 today?" thread. I said, "I'm winging it" long before I got the inspiration to put it 2" from the ground. I knew that I wanted something to change a condition of the handling of the car and my first thought was to add weight to the front of the car. When I was doing the dash my goal was to cover the ugly ness of the cowling. I may not have a complete vision of my end goal but my execution is excellent.
I wish I could weld. welder.gif

Posted by: yeahmag Apr 17 2019, 08:19 AM

When are you changing out the stock front camber plates?

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 17 2019, 09:40 AM

After I sell the house in Huntington Beach. That and rebuild the motor and a Sheridan body. But, just like you, it's only a matter of money.
One weekend in El Toro I took off a link to the sway bars (f and r) and the car was tail happy. Hooked up the rear, went back out and the rear was planted. Still had some push , but I was out of time.
Before that I had been running 911 T bars, they were too stiff. Went back to the 914-4 T bars. Now I want to get rid of the vented brakes also. Brakes don't get hot so I could lose some weight there.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 18 2019, 03:35 PM

Finally got to do some cleaning. Getting the box finished and almost ready to tie it down. Looking much better than it did as rainbow spaghetti.

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The tach and indicator lights still need to be hooked up and the front lights still need to be done.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 27 2019, 03:14 AM

First of all I would like to thank all y'all for stopping by and fallowing my build. I am surprised at the number of people viewing here. Currently I am working on my divorce which is consuming me. Yesterday I opened the garage door and looked inside, yep Carerror is still waiting for me. I am currently waiting on a relay and new windscreens. But today I hope to finish with the totals of my expenditures from 1/17 to present.
Building a wing is much more fun then FALCON TOTALS. In a few more days I will be done with this shit and go back to my vehicle fantasy.

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I can't wait to turn a wrench…

Posted by: euro911 Apr 27 2019, 11:58 AM

I put all the invoices and receipts for our house remodel work in a folder, and in Quicken ... and was pleased when it was all tabulated.

I'm also keeping a running tab on the trailer conversion. Still have a little ways to go, but the budget is looking good so far.

I'll have to do do some backtracking when it comes time to add-up the cost for 'HOWARD's build, as I've been purchasing items for that restoration since 2007 blink.gif

Good luck on the big 'D' stuff ... and make sure to let me know when you plan to visit So Cal ... maybe we can squeeze in a trip to Slater's while you're in town confused24.gif

https://slaters5050.com/

Posted by: stownsen914 Apr 28 2019, 09:09 PM

Sorry about the d ... sorry to say I know how that goes ...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 29 2019, 02:23 AM

Thanks guys. Should be over in July but I'm sure they will find another way to delay it again. So far it has cost 3 times as much as it should have and taken 7 times the time. mad.gif

I wanna get back to work on Carerror. Oh it's 4:20.

Posted by: euro911 Apr 29 2019, 11:57 AM

CRAP ... I'll probably be in AZ in July dry.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 6 2019, 01:02 AM

I am so burnt out on paper, I wanna do something constructive. Like 2 more layer's of fiberglass on the front wing. Get the Falcon hardware and bolt this thing together. Finish the loom and do some trouble shooting and hear Carerror purr...
If everything goes well I will be there today or tomorrow. I kant weight two get back too entertaining al'y'al. biggrin.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 6 2019, 03:12 PM

piratenanner.gif It has been sent. I have put the paper work behind me. piratenanner.gif I get to go back out to the GARAGE... Probably going to have a nice dinner tonight.

Posted by: sixnotfour May 6 2019, 07:22 PM

rugged ,,hoping the fairest for you..btdt...

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 8 2019, 09:46 AM

Finally back in the groove. Got 2 more layer's of fiberglass on and doing some work in the electrical box, adding another relay to spread out the load.

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I added 2 new relays to the board.
It feels so good to be doing something besides paper work

Posted by: euro911 May 9 2019, 01:17 AM

Every morning, I do one sit-up, one deep-knee bend, then the dreaded paperwork rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Carl La Fong May 9 2019, 06:48 PM

You need to use one of these and not worry about paper work so much. av-943.gif


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Posted by: euro911 May 9 2019, 10:11 PM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=/NPsaBuBGH3E

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 13 2019, 05:37 PM

Ordered the hardware today, lots of screws. All flat head and 2 quick release pins for the pivot. Still need to get the springs and cable.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 14 2019, 01:43 AM

Got some real progress today, something I can atculay show you. I got lights on the dash.

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I got the idiot lights, Tach lights, tells me I left the key on and shift light. The fuel pump is running but you can't hear that.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 18 2019, 04:20 PM

So today I got the wing mounted to check out the new quick release hinge pins, not the ones I wanted but let me know which ones I want. Also fitting one of the new windscreens.

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Really like the quick release pins, only takes a minute to take the wing on or off. Now I need to finish the spring returne cable.

Posted by: euro911 May 18 2019, 05:15 PM

You could deliver pizza now ... how many large pizzas will fit on that wing? poke.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 22 2019, 01:30 PM

Well I got both windscreens fitted and they look great. I used a different bead on them this time and I like it much better.

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I think I see checkered flags in my future.

Posted by: 2mAn May 23 2019, 01:08 PM

what an exciting build! Very much enjoying the process...

question: The front wing supports, are those bolted to the front shock towers at all, or just the body?

Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop May 23 2019, 04:02 PM

I'd like to see a pic standing back from the car with that front wing.
Love the build!
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Posted by: 914 Ranch May 25 2019, 07:00 AM

A lot of people have shown a grate interest in what I am doing here. I'm very free with the information about the build. I will gladly make templets and send them to anyone that wants them. All of this hanging from the body in 2 directions of shear. 1 in the light buckets and the other form the front bumper brackets. I don't think that the total weight with down force will be over 80 pounds and even if the ground force gets doubled it should still be under 140 pounds on the front of the car. I sincerely believe that the wing and the brackets would fit inside the headlight buckets and still have the headlights go up and down.
If I ever get her done I will go racing with the PCA autocross in Melborne at The Muscel Car Musuem.
Thanks to those of you who are enthused about my build as it helps to keep me on track.
As soon as I can get the car out of the garage I will take some pictures.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 26 2019, 05:49 AM

I have been having a delima about the windscreens. Both of the old ones cracked at the first screw hole. I used flathead screws and counter sunk them. Bumped each one getting out of the car. So I don't want to use screws, I have decided to go with Butyl tape and just ordered some but before I ordered it I went out to the shop and put together a test piece. I like it, it grabs really good and no holes to start a crack.

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The test piece is a piece of aluminum with a section of the bead glued to it. I think it's going to work well and look much cleaner with no holes, or shallow spots from being screwed down.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 5 2019, 09:37 AM

Got the windscreens glued down today.

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I really like it without the screws. If this works I will only have to take off 4 nuts at the bottom of the mirrors to take the dash apart.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 8 2019, 07:00 AM

OK, back to the wing. Taking the front bumper off to do some of the hardware. I'm screwing around. Everything gets screwed. And we get to see Carreror naked. So here's the brackers and how they mount. Doing the final fitting the wheel is about 2" off the pavement and supported by the bracket. Nice, I really like it.

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All that gets screwed together with counter sunk screws.

Posted by: euro911 Jun 8 2019, 03:02 PM

Joe, I'm a little concerned with the lateral strength of the lower arms (below the pivot points) from side-load forces as well as the shear strength of the pivot fasteners. Mainly due to the amount of mass of the wing assembly and anticipated wind load.

Being on the front of the vehicle, the structure will experience more severe left & right side load fatigue than a rear mounted wing that has less side load travel.

Take it easy on your maiden run and evaluate flexion exerted on the lower arms. You 'might' need to double up the width on the lower arms, and increase the diameter of the pivot pins unsure.gif

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 10 2019, 05:14 AM

I really don't believe that the 3/8" stainless steel quick release pin is going to have an anomaly from being pulled apart by the aluminum pivot point. Also the bracket from the wing pivot to the end plate of the wing is less than 8" and will be fastened together at that point. The total weight of the wing itself is 14.6 pounds and is located 36" from the front tires and 9' from the center of gravity. The front tires are going to cause most of the lateral forces on the wing but not much more than 45 foot pounds of inertia which is split between the 2 brackets.
Now I am not an engineer and Mark is but I did stay at a Motel 6 last night to wirite this. As I said in the beginning of this that "I am winging it" and that "If I knew what I was doing I probably would not have started this in the first place."
Come on Mark, get into the spirit of this build lets go look for an anomaly. I am worried about oscillation of the rear wing though as it's upright is going to be about 16" tall and will probably have to be made more substantial.
I really believe that I will cause body damage to the car before the wing has a real problem.

Posted by: euro911 Jun 10 2019, 02:24 PM

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I'm all for it, Joe ... just want to make sure you don't poke your eye out in the process poke.gif

I wished you were still in So Cal, or at least closer than FL ... really miss hanging out in your garage.

Carry on ... sawzall-smiley.gif smash.gif welder.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 10 2019, 04:49 PM

No sweat buddy, I have to go out there in September and I will probably be there for a week. I think I'll be driving and I like 40 so where are you going to be in mid September?

Posted by: euro911 Jun 10 2019, 07:21 PM

In AZ through the end of July. I'll be back in CA way before September.

Slaters 50/50 aktion035.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 11 2019, 12:06 AM

That's halfway, I'll be staying 2 blocks from the Ortega highway in San Juan Capistrano.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 12 2019, 04:01 AM

Back to screwing around. I screwed the pivot arm to the backing plate and wing through the backing plate. Still waiting for the 3/8" x 24 flathead screws for the wheel axel. I want everything to be counter sunk.

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Scewing the pivot arm to the back plate I counter sunk them on the backside of the plate to avoid taking more material out of the arm and possible making a weak spot.

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Would you believe it, I'm 71 today…

Posted by: sixnotfour Jun 12 2019, 02:14 PM

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Posted by: euro911 Jun 12 2019, 03:17 PM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 13 2019, 10:26 AM

More of the same today. Got the hardware on the left side of the wing screwed in.

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The wing is now holding itself up without the brackets being screwed to the body.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 23 2019, 08:26 AM

I haven't had much time for Carerror lately. I did some stuff on the wing yesterday and today. Finding the length for the of the wire that will pull the wing back down when it gets bumped up.

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This is only the mock up to get the correct length of the wire and will be replaced with wire rope.

Posted by: euro911 Jun 23 2019, 07:58 PM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 10 2019, 01:49 PM

Still working on the lenght of the wire for the return spring. Haven't been out in the garage much lately except to feed the kittens that invaded my shop about 2 weeks ago. I guess it's more comfertable than the rest of the world. There are feral and I now have a cat box and cat food and water in the shop. I went out to take a pic of the new spring and wire and the cats posied for me instead of doing their normal thing of running off and hiding.

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Haven't tried to handle them yet but there are not as afraid of me now. I just needed to post something on here cause I am totally guilt tripping about not keeping up with my viewers, almost 10,000 now.

Posted by: euro911 Jul 10 2019, 05:16 PM

At least the kitties will help to keep mice from building nests in all the nooks & crannies shades.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 13 2019, 07:54 AM

Well I finally got the length worked out for the pull cable. So you get some pics of the minuscule amount of progress that I have made. Whis this was the only thing that I have giong on. Getting about 100 viewers a day I feel like I should be showing more progress for you guys.
Pictures of the wire and spring at static and with a 9" block under the wing so the spring is at full stretch.

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I don't think that the wing will ever get lifted that far but the block was close and it fit under the wing when I lifted it for the picture.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 14 2019, 07:11 PM

Today I spent a lot of time cleaning the car for pictures for a new post coming probably tomorrow as I get to over 10,000 viewers here. Amazing, that is a hole bunch of people watching what I am doing to this poor car. Speaking of that, I have a very big grip on what I want to do for the cold air intake. Just takes me a while to figure it out. More tomorrow.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 15 2019, 09:30 AM

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I had the cops ask, "Is it a Volkswagen or a Porsche?"
Me, "Depends on which part your looking at."

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 2 2019, 06:45 PM

I'm about to start the rear wing and the Cold Air Intake on Carerror. I didn't care much about the weight of the front of the car as she still had some push in the her. I put a few extra layers of fiberglass on its nose of the wing to protect her from when cones jump out in front of her. So in order to try to keep within the basic balance of the car I can see the need to make a wing for the rear of the car. This one hopefully will never come in contact with a cone so it can be built lighter. The front wing weighs in at 11 pounds. Now we get to see how light I can make a wing. Fiberglass over foam board on foam forms with an aluminum spar. Going to use the same shape as the front wing which should give me about the same amount of down force on the rear of the car.

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I ordered a hole box of the foam board because of another project that I want to do. Wings for a vertical wind mill.

Posted by: euro911 Aug 3 2019, 01:52 AM

I bought a brand new vertical axis wind turbine from a guy on facebook marketplace for $60. smile.gif

Gonna install it on my camp trailer (when it's parked - camping) shades.gif

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 3 2019, 07:54 AM

Nice Mark, I need to do something about mine.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 5 2019, 11:49 AM

Well there it is, 10,004 viewers. That's just really awesome. If I could just work on Carerror all the time I could make a You Tube channel. That would be pretty boring. Anyway I hope to do some more stuff to her that is off the wall. Thanks for all the attention. wub.gif

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Building the plugs for the Cold Air Intake, these are for the intake scoop.
Some of my wildass dreams do turn into a total failure.

Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop Aug 5 2019, 06:17 PM

Stay after it. Love the progress

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 9 2019, 06:59 AM

Working on the rear wing when I can find some time. Mock up for the foam framing. this one is to big.

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When I get this right I'll make templets for the frames.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 10 2019, 07:01 AM

So I like planes and the first time I saw a Long EZ I was taken. I have only seen a few of them altogether in my life. After I started to put the wing on Carerror I was rambling through the net and came across a web site where they made foam board airplanes. Flite Test.com. Not only do the sell foam board planes they make kits they also encourage you to copy the kit form their cut outs and put it on Dollar Tree foam board for your family and friends and repairs. They want to get everyone involved in Flite.
I built my first Long EZ and it came to me that I could use the foam board to get the shape of plug for the plenum on The Cold Air Intake.
Sorry about the shameless plug for FT but I found their board as helpful as this one is.
But this post is about that I did 2 more frame mock-ups and got it correct. Which is the in the picture, 20" from the tail back around to the seam because the foam board is 20" wide.

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They bought a 120 acer golf course in Ohio to use for flight toys (it has a dirt runway for full size airplanes) by selling foam board airplanes.

Posted by: euro911 Aug 10 2019, 02:55 PM

I see an EZ fly out of Torrance airport every now & then. A few years ago there were two of them flying around the neighborhood together. The have a distinctive sound, so I always look up when I hear one.

So you'll use the foam-board for the mock-up, then glass over it?

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Posted by: infraredcalvin Aug 10 2019, 03:56 PM

For your cold air intake, there was a guy on here selling an interesting project a while back that tried to use the sails as an area for a scoop, although this math on how many cubic inches of air this provided was severely flawed, it looked like it could be a clean install... I stole these pics from his ad:

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Posted by: carr914 Aug 11 2019, 04:00 AM

this car had some side scoops done nicely

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 11 2019, 06:02 AM

Hey Mark, I grew up at 3311 Newton, 90505, only a block from the Torrance airport. I'm going to use 2 layers of 6 oz and 2 layers of once and half for the finish on the foil.

Thanks Pat, DD had posted some pics of that car and I had 2 thoughts about his approach to it. He cut 3 holes in his roll bar on each side of the car. the other thought was that it was anemic. I'm probably going overboard.

T.C. thats better but I would like to see more pictures of that car. Is it local?

The scoop on the inside of the targa bar is 13.5 squar inches (there is on rear window) and the outside of the targa bar is 22.75 square inches for a total of 36.25 square inches on each side. Which is going to feed the plenum by cutting out the space next to the inside of the targa bar and removing the grill and a little trim work. The plenum is going to come up an inch taller than the top of a rain hat and have no air filters. I'm not caring about the looks as always with me form fallows function…

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And still be able to open the engine cover. With that and the rear wing I'll never be able to work in the engine bay quickly.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 18 2019, 02:10 PM

Working on the pattern for the foam frames today cause I can do that inside. This is the pattern I will use for the foam frames that make up the shape of the wing. I'll make the templets from this pattern and cut the from frames from them. I should be able to cut 3 or 4 at a time.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 19 2019, 06:41 AM

Done with the pattern and now layed out the templet.

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The templet gets 2 holes for the .75" square aluminum spars and 2 more cause I'm bullshitting myself thinking that the cutouts will weigh more than the glue I spill during assembly. But they will look bitchen although no one will ever see them.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 29 2019, 11:16 PM

I have been stuck doing maintenance on the DD and no wub.gif for Carerror. With all of that, now I have to prep for Dorian. 4 hurricanes have passed by here sense I bought here and haven't gotten more than 41 mph of wind. But this one may bring it so I have to do a little more prep. I'm about 35 miles inland from Daytona and one of the paths they tell us it may take lands in Daytona and that could bring us some real wind. An F5 Tornado passed through my back yard in '07 and wiped out all of the houses here except this one. Took the garage (10' from the house), pump house and a shed here. Very little damage to the house but all the rest of the neighborhood is just over 10 years old. I really don't want to see 100 mph's of wind on the ground. I am a Sailor and have sailed in 50 on purpose on a catamaran. I love the wind and I have a skateboard with 30 squar feet of sail ( it's been out in 35 with gusts to 50). Just not at my house.
Maybe I'll be able to return to my fun next week.

Posted by: stownsen914 Sep 2 2019, 07:14 PM

Good luck with the storm. Looking forward to more updates on Carerror!

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 9 2019, 10:00 AM

Thanks Scott, Dorian was a bore here. Less than 4" of water and only 15 miles of wind.
Cutting parts for the wing and trying to work out some details on the intake. Pictures tonight.

Posted by: sixnotfour Sep 9 2019, 12:51 PM

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Posted by: rhodyguy Sep 9 2019, 05:49 PM

Needs more wing. WAY more.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 13 2019, 06:17 AM

If they work it would be really sticky...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 13 2019, 11:44 PM

It has ben really hard to fine time for Carerror lately. I have ben cutting some more parts for the rear wing and the targa bar fairing. I have to go out to Ca. soon to make the house ready to be put up for sale. Finally, soon that will all be over and I can get on with my RETIERMENT (playing with cars). I have all of the formers for the wings including the ones for the vertical windmill. It will have the some wing section as the rear wing of the car but Carerrors will be a little longer.

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Targa bar fairing parts, only about 1/4th of them.

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Wing former parts. I still need to cut in them for the holes for the spars to go through.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 21 2019, 06:22 PM

Going forward, the layout of a foil, not for Carerror.

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These foils are for a vertical wind mill. Just pratice for Carerror. They are the same foil as Carerrors just not quite as long. Hers will be 53" long and these are the some width as the foam board. I need about 8 of these.

Posted by: euro911 Sep 21 2019, 07:52 PM

What does the rest of the wind turbine look like? Is there framework that keeps the vertical axle from wobbling?

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 23 2019, 06:23 AM

Er uh, sure Mark, thats it. But as usual I'm winging it so I'll have to make the turbin first and then figure out how to mount it and the electrics. I get to practice for the wing on Carerror and by the time I get hers done the rest will be a breaze. Today I glued the formers to the spars and curved the foam board trying to check out the gluing of foam. Might rap a wing today if I like the way it's coming out.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 23 2019, 12:35 PM

So I rapped the wing and it looks OK but there's room for improvement. It is useable for the windmill and I learned a lot.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 9 2019, 06:35 AM

I am really sorry about the time it takes me to get back to my second favorite pastime. Today I was out in the garage playing with Carerror and did some stuff for the rear wing. I made some templets from foam board for the mounting of the rear wing. Did it twice of course. I put the first one about 2" above the top of the targa bar. The second one I raised another inch. Foam board is really bitchen. It showes you quickly how stupid you are and only takes a few seconds to make a new piece.
The center of effort of the foil is directly over the rear axles. It sits in nice clean air and is not so tall it looks obnoxious.
Excues me.

CARERROR IS BADDASSS….

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Posted by: stownsen914 Oct 9 2019, 07:29 AM

Great work, and loving the updates!

Consider putting the wing farther back. I get the logic about putting it over the axles, but especially with a front wing, the car may do better balance-wise with the wing out back.

Scott

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 10 2019, 01:54 AM

Thanks Scott, when I started the work on Carerror I put her on a diet. I cut away everything I could to make the ends of the car as light as possible. So behind the shock tower there isn't much metal. But you made me think about a trailer hitch. The rear of the car is planted with equal scuff marks and the blue hazing inside and out with 15 psi. So anything I do to it may not be good.

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There isn't much metal behind the shock towers. The rain gutter needs to be braced to the inner fender well. I need to do something about a brace to the small area that was covered by the small grill piece.
Thats where the 2 projects merge. The cold air intake is going through the small grill area and the upper part of the area that gose to the window area gets cut out. The brace that supports the engine cover and the small grill piece is in the way and not beefy enough so it has to go and will be done when I do the cut outs for the cold air intake.

Posted by: stownsen914 Oct 10 2019, 01:45 PM

Gotcha, makes sense re: the lack of solid structure in the back. My car is similar in that respect. One option would be to angle the wing struts back and 45 degrees or even steeper, to place the wing farther rearward.

Posted by: euro911 Oct 10 2019, 02:35 PM

Joe, have you reached out to Ethan Kuhl and/or David Felzer @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=14538 for some input?... a couple of top notch Cal Poly mechanical engineering grads shades.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 11 2019, 02:26 AM

I finished the foam formers today. I have about 50 of them ready for the spars.

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The little square cut outs took more time to cut than the shape of the former.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 13 2019, 01:26 PM

Built 9 foils for the wind mill now I think I am ready to cover the rear wing.
The spar with formers attached.

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Need to make up the piece of foam bord as the sheets are 30" x 20". With my lay out there is a former 30" from each end.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 13 2019, 03:47 PM

The rear wing. Mock up uprights and the wing is unfinished but there she is.

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Not a very good pic and still lots of stuff to do it.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 16 2019, 12:14 AM

Going to add more pictures cause I know thats what your here for.
I don't usealy talk about what I'm doing because it always takes me way to much time to complete anything that I do. Just something I been thinking about, a vertical wind mill.
The Blades.

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I'm about to change over to metal work. Making patterns in foam board was really quick and easy. 10 times as fast as plywood. Foam board would not have held up the front wing.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 17 2019, 10:47 PM

I sent to Summit for a part and recived the part shipped in a box. I sure got my $10 worth of shipping.

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I cut out the holes for the Cold Air Intake on the drivers side.

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Not sure how I am going to handle the back of it yet.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 24 2019, 12:58 AM

I got the correct fittings for the fuel tank and installed them on Carerror. That finishes the fuel tank installation. Not sure about the engine bay end of her yet but after I check that stuff out I can move her outside and put the bug in her space and put her in back in the shop. When she is outside I'll get some pics.

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If you look closely you can see the new parts on the fuel line coming out of the bottom of the tank.
I did some sanding on the fairing for the targa bar but the pics were not very good. Maybe some more tomorrow.

Posted by: euro911 Oct 24 2019, 03:20 AM

I noticed you're using the European date format in your camera (Day/Month/Year).


I was also reminded that I need to round up the parts to install the front anti-swar bay in 'HOWARD'. I need to finish making a cart/dolly for the blast cabinet - have to blast the custom arms and downlinks that David @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=14538 made for it (several years ago), so I can have them powder-coated or painted.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 24 2019, 12:44 PM

The top of the Targa fairing is almost sanded rough. It's all glued together so when it dries I can finish the rough sanding.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 3 2019, 05:50 AM

I've been sanding on the targa bar fairing and it looks much better but that brought me to a thought. With the targa bar fairing and the cold air intake the hole targa bar will be covered. The targa bar should disappear in the eye of the wind. Just a thought, hope it works.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 15 2019, 04:08 AM

So I've been a little busy with life and enjoying it completely. Getting a little ssnding done on Carerror, but thats about it. Had to cut up a tree and that took a couple of days. Butt thats not what all of this is about. I had a friend growing up in Walteira , Ca. Billy B (William Robert Mitchel), we had about 6 Bills in the neighborhood and had to figure what to do with it. Billy Smith was the oldest so we let him have Bill and it went on from there. I was lucky cause my Middle name is William and told them my name is not Bill.
Billy started turning bald in he's sophomore year and rapidly matured after that. The last time I talked to him we were 35. He said that nothing worked anymore. My life had just bearly begun at that point. i bought my first wife and house in HB at 32.
Butt thats not what this is about either. This is about distractions.

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71 and still having fun…

Posted by: euro911 Nov 15 2019, 12:50 PM

71 and still havin' fun (hmmm idea.gif ... good rhyming lyrics for a song) rock_band.gif





Me? ... I'm 66, and having issues with my get-away sticks sad.gif howard.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 26 2019, 03:59 AM

I am ready to fiberglass the targa bar fairing and I believe that Carerror is ready to get start up again. I need to get her stable mate (The NARB, Not A Real Bug) back into the shop. She is a fun car around town (slamed, 2110 with a close ratio tranny and disks all round) and her small sway bar is 7/8 ths. She is a great training car for A/X as I have picked on the 914's with her before. She is in a pic at post # 252 above.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 26 2019, 04:40 PM

So I have been trying to get comfy with the bug and Carerror in a 2 car garage, it's tight but workable. Today I got start up from Carerror and it sure was nice to hear her purr...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 29 2019, 02:12 AM

Currently working on the wings making up the end caps. I have 20 of them to do and then I can start on glassing them. That's going to take a few days. Not that it's going to change anything but it's gonna be a little boring around here until I get the foils finished. I have decided to put in a switch to turn off the fuel pump. As I would like to be able to run motor till the carbs empty.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 29 2019, 09:21 PM

Cutting the end caps for the wings, really sorry about using up time that I have here for work on another project but the foils are the same size. After working on them I realized that I could probably make the foils for the windmill out of just a cupped piece of sheet metal. Probably going to do that also just to see which one is faster. I won't be doing much more to the windmill till Carerror is ready for the track. Just thought I would do all of the foils at once since the are all the same foil (Clark Y 25 foil).

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 9 2020, 04:35 PM

So today I mounted the mock up of the rear wing to see how high I wanted it to finish out at and I think I got it.

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Making some notes on the patterns for the cutting of the parts in aluminum. I have the stock on hand so it should happen quickly.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 16 2020, 06:13 PM

Making up the patterns for the intake.

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More pictures as they happen.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 2 2020, 03:16 PM

Looking at the cooled air intake to see if I like it. It's growing on me so I'm going to finish this.

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Couldn't get a good shot from the front of the car but I'll try again latter.

Posted by: euro911 Feb 2 2020, 03:26 PM

Hey Joe ... have you tested the air flow with one of those big box fans to see how much air will be forced into the engine bay?

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 6 2020, 03:34 AM

Hi Mark, I was thinking about doing some digital recording when I get to the point where I am driving her but my real interest is in the intake air temperature. It would be nice if the atmospheric pressure went up also. I would like to make the plenum very large and unobstructed so the velocity stacks are unrestricted. Yesterday I was looking at the intake scoop and didn't like the line at the top. Now it's more inline with the tail of the targa fairing. In the picture above the upper corners are sticking out.
More pics.

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Fiberglass is only hard to do because you have to do so much stuff to make it happen correctly. I know that I can make some functional scoops from the fiberglass parts that I get from this but what I'm looking for will not be so chiseled, ur ah angular.

Posted by: euro911 Feb 24 2020, 12:45 AM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 15 2020, 04:35 AM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 15 2020, 06:55 AM

So Mark, I have to give you a special thanks for an idea you have inspired. Carerror as a name for a car takes entirely too much time.
To quote you "AR 914" . But I like 914 AR (Assault Racer). I really liked"914 Light" but that car was done more than 20 years ago. Besides it was a 4 and mine is a -6 and she is lighter.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 19 2020, 05:22 AM

But after thinking about it I like it...

Carerror

AR 14

914 AR

Maybe I should open this up in The Garage and take some suggestions about a new name for Carerror. The more I think about it the more I like
AR 14.





Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 19 2020, 08:42 AM

Workig on the scoop now and really like the shape that I am getting from the foam. I need to do a bunch of body work to it so I can pull a skin from it and I will be a happy camper…

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Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop Mar 23 2020, 07:56 AM

Keep going....I'm bored. Need something to entertain me.
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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 24 2020, 02:06 AM

Ok you guys but I'm having a really hard time with this.
First of all Thanks Shane as I need some entertainment too... It is my sincerest wishes that no one reading this is under lockdown. Myself I am healthy at this time and staying at home except for food and Rx.
Carerror (AR 14), I still haven't decided yet. I really like the scoops and can't wait to see the shapes with them and the faired targa bar.
As l get closer with the Cold Air Intake I am thinking about the mounting of the rear wing. The rear wing and targa bar are ready to fiberglass. At that time I will probably glass the foils for the windmill also.
I sure am glad we have Elon, I don't think I could do space, I heard it's really hard.
Enough of my rambling, stay safe and I hope to hear from all of you in August...

Posted by: RolinkHaus Mar 24 2020, 11:25 AM

Interested to see the final product. What state are you in ?we’ve got a track up here in Indiana (Putnam Park). Oh, thanks for the eye candy on page 13.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 25 2020, 01:01 AM

OK I know we are all board to Falcon death as I really need to have some FALCON FUN. Don't know where I'm going to find it though.
When I was thinking about the Cold Air Intake I had no idea of what changes would need to be made in the engine bay. Looks like I'll need to move the oil tank breather. No big deal, a little bit of plumbing and it will be in the rear trunk area.
My options for the filler are small, leave it there or move the tank. Moving the tank means a hole new can of worms for me. There is only the stock cooler in the car. This can only put me off on another tangent that would make me more creative and evocative than I already am and take another 2 years to finish. Really, you know, A N lines, Mazda radiator out the in the back with duct work and a bank of fans with enough power to move the car.
As I degrees and realized that I am trying to out wait a Falcon chines bug and I will always be ongoing.
So for now I'll set my goals a little lower and just try to keep moving.
Sometime after day light I'll make up a box that I can use to mold the foam. I was messing with the block and saw a better way to handle this.
Stay Safe...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 25 2020, 01:15 AM

Some other thoughts a flat bottom and a defuser. Got the bottom worked out but for the defuser I got nothing...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 26 2020, 05:31 AM

WOW!!! FIFTEEN THOUSAND Viewers... Except for the times that it is occurring in I'd be totally elated. So I'm only just elated.
Thank all of you for being here for me. You are what keeps me enthusiastic about AR 14. There it is, now I have put it in print so I guess I'll need to edit the header. I do feel some similarities there as the cars wings are clip on as are the options for an AR 15.
You know that I would like to set some goals but at this time I think I have to go for just what is in front of me. Foolish of me to even consider time now because the only thing I can make a change in is the name of a car.
On going, I am one on going Mother Falconer. I say it that way because spelling it correctly is offensive, this shows that I am at least paying attention to what's happening today. Elon is amazing as are his Falcons. After seeing one abort it's landing instead of crashing into OCISLY. It crashed into the sea. I thought that a Falcon could do a backflip...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 26 2020, 05:58 AM

Speaking of Falcons as I was, offentimes I do 4:20 on the back patio as it has a wonderful view. I have seen a few birds here and have some matting pairs of Falcons and Eagles. I have no idea how many Falcons but I believe only one pair of Bald Eagles. I have witnessed both take fish but the Falcon does areobatics for me. Last week a Falcon was flying by and picked a bird out of the sky. I didn't see it fall, what I saw was it at about 40' stall, hover, and do what looked like a backstroke and spiral down backwards landing next to a lump on the ground. Which it picked up and flew off with. The next time I saw a Falcon hover I had just walked out the back door and it was stalled at about 30' over the lake, it went right onto a Delta dive and crashed right into the water and came out and flew away with about 10" of fish.

Posted by: sb914 Apr 2 2020, 08:26 AM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 3 2020, 02:07 AM

i like it…

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 8 2020, 10:02 AM

Something thing inspired me and I am back out in the shop this morning. Playing with the rear wing mounting.

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Man I wana see this thing in the daylight…

Posted by: stownsen914 Apr 9 2020, 07:37 AM

Lookin' good, keep up the good work!

Re: a diffuser, it is possible, but it does require some work to do it right. There is some room behind the engine and next to the trans to do a diffuser, but a few things are in the way, notably the exhaust and the shift linkage. I put a diffuser on my 914 and had to move both of those things. Lots of fab to do that. And then making the diffuser was a task. You'd be up to it though, based on the work you're doing with the wings, etc. I don't have great pics of the diffuser, but there are some pics of my car in the thread below, including a view from the back.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=320084&st=0

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 9 2020, 08:04 PM

Thanks again Scott, now I have to make up a diffuser but I have a really good idea what I need to do. Avoiding the shift linkage with a tunnel makes a lot of sense. I would like to put the exhaust in there as well.

Posted by: infraredcalvin Apr 10 2020, 12:03 AM

This guy did some crazy work with a diffuser on a turbo... some fun reading on his diffuser.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-930-turbo-super-charging-forum/341002-diffusor-bottom-plate-plans-911-a.html

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 10 2020, 04:35 AM

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This guy did some crazy work with a diffuser on a turbo... some fun reading on his diffuser.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-930-turbo-super-charging-forum/341002-diffusor-bottom-plate-plans-911-a.html


Thanks that was a nice read with a great post from Scott.
My plan, should I have thought that I actualy have one is to lower the front of the car as I have mentioned early on. The rear of the car is planted and has the hreat temps and scuffing on the inside and outside of the tire. So I really don't want to change anything in the rear of the car. But the front is another hole can of worms.

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This has worked out really well, just like the front it looks really neat.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 10 2020, 05:27 AM

Thanks for the link Calvin. Found a nice post from Scott there also. Petri's post have a ton of info that is as appropriate today as it was when it was written 10 years ago. Until now I have not had to pay much attention to ride height. Now it has become critical. I don't like the front suspension and I am going to have to do something about it. When I become a RMF (Rich Mother Falconer) I'll put some Elephants in the car. The cross beam is more than I wanted to spend on the hole front suspension.
Old Team NARP Headquarters is supposed to go on the market soon, maybe I will be able to put some Elephants in the front end. There I go dreaming again, speaking of dreaming again, WE NEED TO GATHER... I should open up another thread for this just because I don't think it can happen before Aug. If I start planning now we might be able to have a nice event.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 10 2020, 06:29 AM

The bottm of the rear wing is about 7/8" higher than the top of the targa fairing. I can raise the wing some but at this time I don't feel like it's too low. When I get her out for road test I'll put some streamers off the targa and see what's up.

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You can hardly see it but the yellow part is a Stabila level that is magnetic and is holding a straight edge out under the bottom of the wing.

Posted by: stownsen914 Apr 10 2020, 09:26 AM

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Thanks again Scott, now I have to make up a diffuser but I have a really good idea what I need to do. Avoiding the shift linkage with a tunnel makes a lot of sense. I would like to put the exhaust in there as well.


Racecars are just never done ...

The other thing to get out of the way of the diffuser is the exhaust. I wound up reconfiguring some 911 headers to do this, turned around so they are "backward" on the engine compared to how they would sit in a 911. This did require some fab to move a couple of the primary tubes so they wouldn't hit the chainboxes and shift linkage, if memory serves correctly. The 911 headers wrap toward the front of the car, and I angled the tailpipe upward from the collector to site on top of the diffuser. The 914/6 headers are more directly in the way since they go almost straight back from the engine. A friend has a tube frame 914 that has a diffuser and uses regular 914/6 headers and I guess cut them to angle them upward to clear the diffuser. And here are some pics of it from an old classified ad! One of them shows the exhaust from the back.

http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/porsche/914gt2/914gt2pp.htm

Posted by: euro911 Apr 10 2020, 12:27 PM

Joe, have you thought about making the angle of attack adjustable for fine tuning?

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 11 2020, 08:20 AM

It would be nice to have the wings adjustable but I think that I really need to get her running before I try to make her fancy. I don't want to make a list of the stuff that needs to be done. If I can just do the stuff that the chassis needs I can run her. And I believe that I can do it this year.

Posted by: euro911 Apr 11 2020, 06:20 PM

Hey, lookie here, Joe ... type.gif

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 13 2020, 07:09 AM

Picked up some high fill primer in white for the front wing and some stuff to do the fuel pump off switch. I want to be able to run the carbs dry.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 13 2020, 09:59 AM

I fallow Dana's Ankle Biter and watched him just see a diffuser and buy it cause he knew it would fit. Everything I see looks like it belongs on another car. I don't think that will be ready for that this year.
Making progress on the dash right now. Moved 2 switches and added 2 lights. One each for the ignition in red and a green for the fuel pump.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 17 2020, 04:12 PM

Just posted a picture of a before and after pictures. So I got the before pic from Carl La Fong many years ago but I couldn't figure out how to post it. Got some help and now I have it in an album here so I can use it. Before I edit the original post again I want to try

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On going as it is not ready for the track.
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Wow, just WOW!!!
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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 21 2020, 05:10 PM

Here we go with 6 new pictures outside, she hasn't been outside for a few years.
AAAOOOUUUUUUU, she looks fast sitting just sitting there.
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I especially like this shot as it shows the angles of the surfaces of the top of AR. Everything is at 10°. The front wing the hood, the the windscreens and the rear wing. I feel just like I did when I put the cowling and windscreens on. I have no Falcon idea what I am doing or where I am going...
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AWSOME, excuse me as I am taken by my own creation.

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Nice shots... I love my home ❤️.

Posted by: euro911 Apr 21 2020, 11:34 PM

If it were mine, I'd name it "The Weed Whacker" aktion035.gif

Looking 'Sharp', Joe beerchug.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 23 2020, 01:19 AM

Getting the AR out of the shop was to clean up in the shop. When I put her back into the shop, I backed her in so I could work on the front of her as the front wing is just sitting there. Had some delemma about the attachment point. I think I have worked it out and hopefully it will be OK. I clamped the horse head brackets in place and am happy with the ride height of the foil. So for now I'm just going to be screwing around with the front of the car.
I believe that Scott had requested pics of her outside but I don't feel like she is ready for this as the ride height is not set yet and I really want to do that on level payment, but there isn't any here. When the HB house sells that's all going to change. Even the floor in the garage needs to be changed.
I AM LOVING ALL THE SUPPORT FROM THIS COMMUNITY ❤️❤️❤️....

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 23 2020, 01:27 AM

I pulled the front wing off of AR and it took just over 2 minutes.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 27 2020, 09:39 AM

WIFI has been down so I forgot what pictures I had taken.
Oh yeah, that. I'm getting ready to put in the screws for the bractets to the body. I need to cut the backing and the hole in the center of the top of the bracket. Then I can start screwing the bracket to the body.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch May 2 2020, 04:27 PM

Trying to work out the trailing edge of the rear foil. Trying to bring the foil to a straight pointed end isn't easy. So I'm working on the vertical wing wind mill foils to get some experience, and make a plan so that the foil looks good, straight and clean when it's done.

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I covered the table in none stick foil and made a 6.5 ounce single layer of fiberglass. Cut 2" strips and but jointed 2 of them together to fold it into a V. It is taped in place so I can flip it over useing the blue tape as a hinge. Paint on the epoxy and glue the trailing edge back in place and tape it down.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 3 2020, 06:51 PM

Finally got back to the rear wing and looks good for me to fiberglass it tomorrow.

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The trailing edge is just taped in place at the moment, it just looks really clean and straight Thats really important to me because being DIY it is off the wall having a well executed appearance I believe makes the car more intimidating.

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I'll glue in the trailing edge tonight and glass it in the morning. Will be nice to see it mounted in white primer.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 4 2020, 03:04 AM

Finished gluing up the trailing edge this morning and took a brake. It was 4:20 and from the looks of it I won. I thought of a way to put a flap on it. Would make it adjustable form the cockpit. Mark will really like that.
Pic of the progress. All you can tell is that I added tape but it's where I put the glue that counts.

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When it is dry enough to sand I will apply 2 layers of glass, sand it smooth, primer it and mount it back where it belongs. Can't wait to see it!

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 6 2020, 03:03 AM

More on the rear wing.

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Better than I expected.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 12 2020, 02:19 AM

I have been working on the intake scoops. Building a form for the foam block shape. I had to do it twice because they are much longer than I thought. I tried to make it so I could disassemble it from around the foam after it is cured. The box is done and I am trying to talk myself into going for the pour. From the foam blocks I can make lefts and rights so really I am the only thing that is holding me back.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 13 2020, 07:23 PM

The block is done and I am happy. Rough sanded it looks awesome. My computer stopped talking to my camera so I can't post pics of what's going on. Sorry.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 14 2020, 03:52 AM

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I am sorry but phyque the plug is really looking good. And I can't show off damnit. The shape is just what I had envisioned. Just much bigger than I had thought. Kool uh?

Posted by: euro911 May 14 2020, 11:12 AM

Have you tried taking pix with your schmart fone and e-mailing them to your e-mail account?

Posted by: stownsen914 May 15 2020, 05:27 AM

I like your work making the wing

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 15 2020, 05:40 AM

I'm really trying to get some pictures up but my my phone and computer stopped talking to each other. My laptop was always a piece of shit and is a '12. Surprised it worked this long, I dumped my ipone along time ago. No point in having something that takes 2 weeks for an appointment to get it an appointment to fix it.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 15 2020, 05:49 AM

Pic hopefully...

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I'm going to need to practice that.
Posted from my phone and is not reliable.

The driver side Cold Air Intake scoop plug.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 15 2020, 06:01 AM

Trying again...

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Posted by: 914 Ranch May 15 2020, 06:04 AM

OK, probably not the last time I'll try but hoping...

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Kool, I love the shape, it's a little large but it hides part of the targa bar inside it.

This could be a total failure but I'll finish it and see if I still like it.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 18 2020, 06:22 AM

Two coats of 6.5 ounce fiberglass on the targa bar this morning.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch May 28 2020, 10:24 AM

On going with the Cold Air Intake, I am getting close with the plug for the scoop.. l'm making a pattern for cutting the fiberglass cloth. Going to need a bunch of them, at least 12. 3 for each of the plugs and for the scoops.

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I was thinking that I could make a scoop from thin aluminum from this but it would only come out all wrinkled and dented.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 28 2020, 10:38 AM

The pattern wrapped around the plug.

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It will look much better in glass.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 31 2020, 06:12 AM

Had to drive her this morning. Rain got her bay flooded and I had to sweep out the mess. I can't help it but that always puts a smile on my face. Getting ready to try to get a better line on the trailing edge of the targa bar fairing.

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Trying to work with my camera just to see what changes I can make to help with downloading.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 31 2020, 06:32 AM

Another pic hopefully...

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Damn it seemed to have worked.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 31 2020, 06:55 PM

Finally getting some detail of the trailing edge of the targa bar fairing. I have been trying to fill in gaps and air pockets and bring it to a point.

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A few more layers of epoxy and some sanding and it should be good.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 2 2020, 02:02 AM

This is taking forever, so I'm in order for me to be able to get some visuals I'm going to make a change in the plans. I really want the fiberglass scoops but I want to see them while I can still drive. So I have a piece of aluminum that I was saving for something just about like this. It took me a few minutes to make it fit the pattern on and there's very little scrap material left over. It won't be pretty but it should give me prof of concept. And I can get on with making the car work. This is taking entirely too much time and I am only about half way there. It's like the plug needs glass, sand, fill, sand, jell coat, sand, polish, wax and buff. And then I can start to make the mold which will need all of that again. I think I can do all that later if I really hate the way the scoops look. And costs, it costs $130 for the foam to make a scoop and I need 2, also the glass cloth is $17 a yard and I need at least 12 more. Oh and don't forget the epoxy. I just hope that in aluminum it doesn't appear to be quick and dirty.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 2 2020, 07:04 PM

New pics

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I like it.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 2 2020, 07:06 PM

Better pic

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Yep, that will work. I can get a pattern from this side to save a lot of time trimming the other side. It took a couple of hours to get this close but I am happy with the looks.

Posted by: PlaysWithCars Jun 2 2020, 10:06 PM

Neat idea putting the scoop on the side. How do they duct into the engine compartment?

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 3 2020, 01:08 AM

Hey Mark, I cut out the space between the engine grill cover and the targa bar. I think I have a pic.

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Let's see if this works. I have a new laptop and we are fighting about posting a pic. I have to move the breather to whats left of the rear trunk. I think it is only a little plumbing.
Looking at that pic tells me that I need to make up some kind of fairing for the targa bar upright.

Mark @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=1323 , didn't you attend the WCC in Portland in '06?

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 5 2020, 10:58 PM

Right side.

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In 2 days I got both scoops on the car and I am happy with the way they look. I would have still been sanding and glassing the plug for the left side. It would take me the till the end of summer to do this in fiberglass.
RESPECT to all those who build plugs, molds and make parts in fiberglass...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 6 2020, 07:23 AM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 8 2020, 11:41 PM

One more time, this makes about 6.
It was riveting day.



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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 10 2020, 05:16 AM

Kool huh...

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The scoops have a flange that will take the fasteners to the targa bar. The right scoops flange is setting less than an eighth from where it will be fastened.

Posted by: euro911 Jun 10 2020, 11:55 AM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 11 2020, 02:15 AM

Excuse me but I find the work that I am doing aesthetically pleasing. I am making no effort to make the car Bad Ass, so it appears to me that I must have that in me. So now that I am here I guess I'm just letting it all out. Just a personal opinion but I find the car appealing.

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Better but I still don't like the angle of the picture.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 11 2020, 02:38 AM

Yesterday I made up a small fairing that ties the targa fairing to the intake scoop.

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I'm thinking a flat head screw from the top of the little fairing through a post and the scoop to the targa bar one counter sunk screw holding everything at the top. The bottom will have 3 fasteners from the flange on the bottom of the scoop to the targa bar.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 11 2020, 04:52 AM

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Looks so much better with something covering the end of the targa bar fairing.

Posted by: euro911 Jun 11 2020, 08:22 PM

Just curious if you're gonna roll the front edges of the scoops in - like a jet engine nacelle?

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 12 2020, 02:25 AM

Thought about it for about 2 seconds. Too much difficulty. By this time next year I should have a bead roller but by then I should be able to make them in fiberglass and I can put the lip in the mold. I really do like the way the car looks with all the aluminum natural, there's a lot of hand crafted stuff in the car.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 13 2020, 06:34 AM

Doing some more fitting of the end cap of the targa bar fairing. It's looking really nice and cleans up the area where the targa bar fairing joined Cold Air Intake scoop. This is the right side.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 13 2020, 06:42 AM

Left side ready for fitting.

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If they look a little hammered it's because they are. I used a small ball peen hammer beating the aluminum into submission over a large rubber mallet mounted in my vice.

Posted by: stownsen914 Jun 14 2020, 07:27 AM

Looking nice. What did you use to shape those end pieces?

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 14 2020, 08:49 AM

I don't know what alloy that aluminum is but it is soft enough to be playable and still hold a shape.
I used the 3 hammers in this picture. The body of the end cap was shaped with the larger ball peen hammer on the outside radius of the mallet and the edge was formed on the edge of the face of the mallet.
Thanks for asking Scott, that was a bitch... But it looks better in person than in the pics.

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The small hammer worked best for the edges.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 15 2020, 01:16 PM

I spent the day mounting the rear wing to the rain gutter just above the rear tire.

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The bracket.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 15 2020, 01:18 PM

With the wing in the picture.

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I put some backing on the inside of the top of the fender just in case.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 21 2020, 12:49 PM

Rear wing brackets for the driver side.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 29 2020, 01:01 AM

Making templets to support the rear wing mount. You know I just like saying the names of the stuff that I am working on just because nobody else can. Like, Cold Air Intake. The Front Wing. I'm sorry but that stuff just sounds bitchen to me. Nobody else has either of those.
Excuse me and now I'll go back to the work I am about to do. The support is to tie the drip rail to the inner fender well and needs to go far enough forward to pickup the engine grill support. It's in the way of the plenum and would block some airflow.
I have laid out some lines for the plenum on the fire walls and the inner fender well to see where the bottom of the plenum will set so I can see what needs to be moved. The passenger side is pretty clean but I'll have to move the breather and the crankcase vent hose on the driver's side but think it will be good with just a little plumbing.
Does anyone know how much the engine rocks side to side. I believe that I need to have something flexible in the bottom of the plenum around the base of the carbs. I was thinking that it would move the most during down shifts into 2nd.

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Posted by: stownsen914 Jul 1 2020, 02:36 PM

Re: flexible sealing around the plenum - you'll definitely want to do that. I haven't measured engine movement, but do have some pretty close clearances in a couple places. I think I have 1/4" or so clearance between my air scoop (attached to the engine in my case) and the rollbar. They never hit, so I guess that's enough.

You could probably use a rubber garage door seal to seal the airbox to the plenum. It would seal decently well and have some give to it.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 2 2020, 12:02 PM

Thanks Scott, I was thinking about making up a seal but was worried about how much it would have to travel. What I am thinking of will cover more than a half an inch.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 8 2020, 10:19 AM

Another picture, I just finished cleaning up the base brackets and it all looks good.




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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 9 2020, 01:41 AM

With quick release pins. piratenanner.gif Rest in Peace Carl.

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I really like the Quick Release pins, sure makes it easy to get the Wing on and off. For more access I can pull the front pins and tilt it backwards and lay it down in the rain gutter when the trunk lid is off.

Oh my, 18,000 Views...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 31 2020, 03:29 AM

I must apologize as I have not been able to spend much time in the shop lately. Not that I am unmotivated or lazy. It's just been too Falcon hot. I can only spend a few minutes out there before I start raining sweat. So occasionally I do use the shop for small repairs that need immediate attention. It is cooling off now as it hasn't been over 95 in 3 weeks. Next summer I will have 2 shops and they both will be climate controlled.
I am currently in ecstacy as Team NARP Headquarters is in escrow. Funny, ecstacy and escrow seem to go together so well. There is going to be enough money around to finish AR off nicely. Even the Outlaws need to have a nice finish if they be representing.
More work and pictures to come soon. I'm sure that the pics are more entertaining than my drivel.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 3 2020, 01:14 PM

Well I really need to apologise to everyone that stoplped by in a while. It's been a long time since I have been able to spend some time with the car. The weather is cooling down and I feel that I am able to get back to work on the car. I bought a new welder and it should clean up my act as far as welding goes.
I am thinking that I would like to lose weight and improve the suspension, but for now I am going to have to learn the new welder.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 7 2020, 12:01 AM

1:30 am, I just got out of the garage and I'm drenched, it still to hot to get any real work done. Trying to setup the new welder but I got it on the cart. I want to weld up the seams and rivets ion the intake scoops and and tack the targa bar fairing caps in place.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 7 2020, 12:11 AM

Pictures not wanting to post.

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Need to mod the cart, I'm going to need 2 bottles of gas on here as I want be able to switch from aluminum to steel without changing bottles. I could just hook up a bottle cause the welder dose change gas automatically but then I would have a bottle just standing there unsecured.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 10 2020, 11:17 PM

Picked up a pickup truck for a driver and towing the car trailer. A nice Chevy Silverado 2500HD with under 120K, of course it is a Duramax. I have been driving junk so long I was afraid to go more than 15 miles from home. Watch out I just might make a Taco Tuesday. That's on my bucket list.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 22 2020, 10:10 AM

I am currently enjoying a monetary distraction.

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Such a nice car...

PURMAGRINN once again...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 27 2020, 06:00 PM

Trying to make room in the garage for the GT4 and AR decided not to cooperate. Had to order a new fuel pump and it probably won't be here till Saturday. Looking at a new trailer for AR so she will have covered space.
I really want to A/X so it looks like it will be in the GT4, I think that there is one in Lake County on the 5th but not sure, I will check it out tomorrow.
Twenty thousand views, I really think I need to pay more attention to the AR.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 28 2020, 03:46 PM

New fuel pump came in today and I installed it but I didn't check it yet. If I get home and find that it works she is coming out of the garage.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 29 2020, 07:20 AM

She is blowing a circuit breaker so I'm relocating the power lead to the fuel pump. I'm going to take the power from the battery positive terminal and use an inline fuse. I believe I still will have to much current being drawn from a circuit somewhere but if it stops blowing the breaker l can look for that later.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 16 2020, 06:19 AM

It's not that I am not working on her it's just that I am not making any progress on what I am working on.

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I've had a loss of power to several systems and am hunting it down. May have a bad relay.
Or I may not have done it correctly in the beginning.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 22 2020, 12:14 AM

On to something I believe I can get some gratification on. The air cleaner is going away so I need to make up screens for the velocity stacks. I bought some sink strainers and wrapped them around the top and hammered them into shape. The hose clamp helped a lot to get the under side into shape.

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Wow, I just noticed that the screens have grain and that they are 2 sizes.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 3 2021, 07:46 AM

Getting the pattern for the floor of the plenum ready to copy. I like the way it fits and there is plenty of room inside the box for the seal at the base of the air cleaner.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 4 2021, 12:23 AM

Still preparing stuff for the making of the seal.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 24 2021, 06:59 PM

Cured some electrical problems today and now I think I can go forward with the work I wanted to do under the dash. Had to cut a slot in the box in order to remove the circuit board and look at the wires from the under side and I found what I was looking for. I had put too many circuits on a relay and it wasn't working. I ran 2 circuits to other supply points and I hope that takes care of the problem. Now I can look to see why the tach is not working.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 25 2021, 10:29 AM

All of my efforts worked, she started. Ya Mother Falcon whooo. Still have some cleaning up to do and then move her to the patio.

Posted by: euro911 Jan 25 2021, 10:45 AM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 25 2021, 02:56 PM

Thanks Mark, with the race car and the GT4 useable it starting to put a positive spin on it.

Posted by: 914_teener Jan 25 2021, 08:24 PM

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Thanks Mark, with the race car and the GT4 useable it starting to put a positive spin on it.



Ahh...nothing like a "useable" GT4.


Keep at it Joe!

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 26 2021, 08:01 PM

Thanks, I will try...

Posted by: sixnotfour Jan 27 2021, 07:13 PM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 1 2021, 12:34 AM

Raining here and the car is in the trailer. Nice to have it covered.
Today I started to paint the walls of the trailer, for now they are Kills white primer. Looking for lights, not sure what I'm going to do.
Ordered some LED's .

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 9 2021, 06:17 PM

Working on the trailer floor, got some diamond plate and floor tile and enough paint to finish the walls.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 12 2021, 10:35 AM

Getting with it on the paint. Got 2 coats of primer down. Cutting in the trim and thinking about a bright white gloss finish. I'm ready to do the floors and the lights just arrived.

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Posted by: euro911 Feb 12 2021, 01:18 PM

Looking 'Sharp' there, Joe

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 13 2021, 03:01 PM

Thanks Mark, this should be even better. The diamond plate is not screwed down yet but it looks great.

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Got a couple of trickles coming for the ceiling but you will have to wait and see.
It was the cover for the vent, when I closed it the ceiling stopped.

Posted by: euro911 Feb 14 2021, 12:08 AM

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Thanks Mark, this should be even better. The diamond plate is not screwed down yet but it looks great.

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Got a couple of tricks coming for the ceiling but you will have to wait and see.
Made me think of the headliner I put up in my first van ('73 Dodge Tradesman 100) ... one of those '70s era Indian print sheets that all the head shops sold at the time ... folks called it a rolling opium den driving.gif smoke.gif

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 18 2021, 05:30 PM

Another picture.

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Some pick-up but the floor tile is pretty much done.

Gizmo is posing for me.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 19 2021, 03:28 PM

Finished cutting the ceiling tiles. Need to sand the edges and drill some holes for the attachments. Oh and don't forget the paint.

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It's going to be a 2x2 checkered flag pattern.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 23 2021, 05:00 PM

Almost done with the floor, would be nice to have the car back inside the trailer.

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Posted by: euro911 Feb 24 2021, 05:54 PM

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I need to get back to outfitting the interior of my V-nose. Stopped working on it when I developed a sciatica problem in 2019

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 5 2021, 02:48 AM

I haven't been working directly on AR but I have been gathering some parts for her. Just about ready to move her back into the trailer. Got the nutserts for intake scoops. I need to tie the scoops to the bottom of the targa bar so now I can finish mounting them. It will feel really good to get some real work done on the car. I have also gotten some stuff for the plenum base and that should happen quickly. At least on the right side of the intake.
23,000 viewers, WOW. I am delighted to have such a nice large fallowing. Never thought I would receive such accolades. Kinda makes me feel all fuzzy inside.
With the trailer almost done things should go quicker on the car now.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 6 2021, 03:37 PM

I got start up and put her in the trailer.

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Her new parking space.
Yes the tag has expired all I have to do to make her legal is put her back on the insurance and go get a new tag.
Wow, that's Falcon Epoch...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 12 2021, 01:06 AM

A picture of the plenum base. The plenum takes up a lot of space in the engine bay and it looks like it may be blocking air flow to the fan. This car should only run for a minute at a time, I really don't think it will ever get hot.

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Bottom of the right side plenum, still need to do the seal. I have to redo the support for the engine grill hold down pin as it is in the way of the plenum base.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 13 2021, 07:34 PM

Good intentions...
Never got close to the car with a camera this evening but the bottom of the plenum looks great. This project is looking really good to me. Sure I am prejudice but this is coming from my soul. Ok, ok maybe I can get the picture, I'll try.

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I am sorry about the quality of the picture but the content is of the upmost importance. Bottom of the plenum, really... We're talking Cold Air Intake be here, have you ever heard anyone say that???

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 14 2021, 08:14 AM

Needs a ceiling and 3 walls and I am thinking about a plexiglass ceiling. The walls are a piece of cake I think I can use the same seal as we use at the trunks. I like the idea of being able to see in the plenum.

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Hope that works.
Kool, I have a spot welder on order. Should make the rest of this a breeze.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 14 2021, 10:49 AM

Another picture

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 15 2021, 03:35 PM

Spot welder...

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Now to finish the plenum.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 15 2021, 03:46 PM

Checking out the spot welder on a little scrap price. Looks like I will be able to do what I had imagined. This material is so thin it doesn't have any strength. I wanted to put a doubler on the bottom edge all the way around.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 16 2021, 04:09 PM

I'm thinking that the spot is to hot, it burns through quickly. So I filed the points flat to get a larger contact area. It worked and I might do some more.

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I think that results are really good and I will probably do more.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 21 2021, 03:36 PM

I did the floor for the plenum on other side today. Looks good and I feel good about the progress.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 25 2021, 04:57 PM

Today I was fitting the outside edge of the plenum to the inner fender well. It came out so good that I'm calling it Cazadores time.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 25 2021, 04:59 PM

Other side.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 28 2021, 12:31 PM

Another picture

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 29 2021, 07:04 PM

More progress
Very bad pics. I'll try again later.
Well it's later now and I got the pic.

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Now we'll see if the pic is better.
I like that...

I hope this answers any questions about Cold Air Intake.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 30 2021, 05:01 PM

Making them stronger, added a lip on the top edge.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 1 2021, 12:41 PM

With Plexiglass...

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 1 2021, 12:48 PM

And the scoop.

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I see a couple of spots that need to be fixed. And some hoses that need routing oh and I have to make up the seal for the bottom of the carbs. Still probably a week away, maybe 2.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 2 2021, 02:45 PM

Passenger side getting reinforcement on the top edge.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 3 2021, 08:55 AM

Fitting the plexiglass on the passenger side.

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I had no idea how this was going to tie into the plenum. All I had to do was bend the top up 90° on the inside of the body panel.

Posted by: sixnotfour Apr 3 2021, 09:31 AM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 5 2021, 11:20 AM

New breather installed. Figured out the hose to the oil tank. I need a 90° for that.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 5 2021, 11:25 AM

Another view.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 8 2021, 03:26 PM

Just another picture of a dream I had about air.

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Cold Air in, more horse power out.

Once the other side is all screwed in I'll start making up the seals. This thing is fragile and I believe the motor would break all the spot welds.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 13 2021, 01:05 AM

Just another picture.

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Everytime I think that it's just a week away it's more than a month. I'm worse than Elon.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 14 2021, 02:35 AM

When I started all of this stuff about aero I had no idea that I was going to make a Double Breasted Biplane but here it is. The plenum is very close to being finished. After that I need to get back to the front of the car as there is some wiring and screwing on the front wing brackets. Then I will set up a picture shoot and give Sean and Scott the pictures that they requested years ago. This is looking much better than I expected.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 22 2021, 02:27 PM

So I have been working on the front of the car screwing the wing mounting brackets to the body. Now that that is done I would like to finish the plenums. Just a little spot here and there. It's just that it would be nice to have something else completed and then get back into the wiring. I'm just about ready to put her back in the trailer.



Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 25 2021, 03:19 AM

Yesterday I was working on the plenums, doing a once over the seams with the spot welder and it stopped working on me. The last weld had an awful lot of sparks around the area that I was working on. I had the welder apart to aline the tongs and I may not have tightened it up enough. So before I start today I have to go through the welder and clean up all the contact locations to eliminate any reason the voltage drop at the tongs. We will see how that goes. Should that go well I can put them back in and button all of that up.
Then I can have a photo opportunity. Gosh that will put a smile on my face. I'm going to do this at an undisclosed location (in front of my house) on the street. The only good level spot around here.
We should go over 25,000 viewers today or tomorrow. The perfect time for a bunch of pictures and another Thank You for everyone that has come by this thread.
25,000, WOW...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 25 2021, 04:46 PM

I got the car reassembled today but I am losing light so start up and pictures will have to be tomorrow. Everything looks really good can't wait to look at her outside. Almost no one has seen the car in person except Vegas Racer and he said "It looks better in person than it does in a picture." Well tomorrow is another day maybe I should take her down to the River.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 28 2021, 03:24 AM

TOTAL Failure at the front wing wheels. As I was trying to put her in the trailer yesterday I heard a terrible noise and she got stopped in her tracks. So I backed up and got out to go see what damage I had done. The end plates had contacted the ramp and didn't like the hinge or the plywood on the ramp. No damages to anything just a lot of noise. Apparently the wheels need to be much ferrthur forward, a little more than an inch. Apparently the end plates don't like to be pushed around. Pics after daylight.



Posted by: 914 Ranch May 8 2021, 10:32 PM

Sorry about the delays in finishing up the pictures of AR as I took a vacation. Currently I am in the BVI's doing a bit of sailing and swimming. And trying not to get sunburned. I should be home in a couple of days and finish the corrections on the front wing.

The raw natural beauty of The Baths.
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Posted by: 914 Ranch May 8 2021, 10:34 PM

Cheeseburger in Paradise...

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I can't wait to to get back to work on AR.
Oh and by the way traveling during Covid SUCKS...

Posted by: euro911 May 10 2021, 07:12 PM

Best not to drop your BVDs in the BVIs right now, Joe sheeplove.gif ... some of them virgins may have covid, ya know rolleyes.gif


Posted by: infraredcalvin May 11 2021, 12:21 AM

QUOTE(914 Ranch @ Apr 28 2021, 02:24 AM) *

TOTAL Failure at the front wing wheels. As I was trying to put her in the trailer yesterday I heard a terrible noise and she got stopped in her tracks. So I backed up and got out to go see what damage I had done. The end plates had contacted the ramp and didn't like the hinge or the plywood on the ramp. No damages to anything just a lot of noise. Apparently the wheels need to be much ferrthur forward, a little more than an inch. Apparently the end plates don't like to be pushed around. Pics after daylight.

I’ve wanted to say this ever since I read about your idea of the retractable wing. I was hoping I was wrong, but this incident has me concerned.

I’d look really hard at what that wing might do at speed if/when getting hung up. It’ll lift the car and fold underneath causing all sorts of havoc to the car, you, and most likely bystanders. I think the test on the plywood should be a wake up call that anything taller than the wheel clearance will be an issue. As autocross locations become more difficult to find, the quality of road decreases.

I’ve seen cracks and transitions in pavement at several local events that appear to be taller than the skid clearance you have.

Perhaps a modified bottom plate shape might help the end plates be more like a skid vs a hang up point. I also keep thinking about that plastic material they use to easily slide furniture around maybe some sort of adaptor, that can be swapped out as it grinds down... they have lip protectors for modern super cars that operate on same principle.

poke.gif sorry rant over, I saw your problem before it occurred and didn’t say anything, I just want to offer my thoughts in case of building a better mousetrap.

Ok I’ll shut up and watch silently now...

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 11 2021, 03:46 PM

Today I was working on the wheels on the front wing. I moved them up and forward which put them completely over the front and bottom of the end plates. The end plates have small scratches on the bottom front where they contacted the plywood and the plywood has what looks like skid marks and the hinge is only scratched. It's raining now so no pics.
I installed the wing back on AR.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 15 2021, 11:24 AM

I was putting her back in the trailer and ran out of fuel. So I took this pic of where the scraping is coming from.

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From the beginning of the brackets I knew that the end plates would be holding the wing up over speed bumps but this had not occurred to me. It is why I made the end plates out of 1/4 instead of something smaller. We'll see how it goes.
Without the wheels or the pivots it probably would have bent something.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 29 2021, 04:58 PM

New seatbelts. Thanks Scott.

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Reassembly tomorrow.

Posted by: stownsen914 May 30 2021, 09:14 AM

Lookin' good Joe!

For the front wing, is there a way to put wheels on the back side of the wing? Or at least some sacrificial skid material like plastic or jabrock?

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 31 2021, 10:16 AM

Thanks Scott @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=6985 , already done, did it right after I took that picture. Now 4 wheels under the wing. Taking a break right now after I got the seats back in. Pictures later today.

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New rearset wheels.

Posted by: rhodyguy Jun 1 2021, 05:37 PM

Can you get away with just taking some material off of the rear bottom radius of the end plates? Doesn't look like you need much room.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 1 2021, 08:15 PM

Hey Kevin, I probably could have but I think that this would be easier as I didn't have to remove the end plates.
New seatbelts ready for fit testing.

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Adjusting them is a pain in the ass so I hope that they fit correctly now. Then I can hot knife off the excess straps.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 4 2021, 10:05 AM

Well I finally got it correctly adjusted. I had to pull the driver 3 times to get it right but now it's comfy.

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I know that this photo looks just like the one above but the drivers seat is about 4" closer to the firewall and the belts have been adjusted.
There is still a few little things that I need to attend to but she is getting closer everyday.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 7 2021, 05:57 AM

The pictures Scott @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=6985 and a few others have been waiting so patiently for.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 7 2021, 06:02 AM

Still needs a lot of work but I really wanted to see her on the pavement too.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 7 2021, 06:05 AM

At least I got some pictures for you finally.

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She is going back up on the stands for some suspension work and the rear wheel bearings and new wheel studs.

Posted by: euro911 Jun 8 2021, 01:03 PM

QUOTE(914 Ranch @ May 31 2021, 09:16 AM) *

Thanks Scott, already done, did it right after I took that picture. Now 4 wheels under the wing. Taking a break right now after I got the seats back in. Pictures later today.

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New rearset wheels.
I was thinking the same thing idea.gif - then I scrolled down and saw you already done-did it.

Posted by: Shivers Jun 9 2021, 08:07 AM

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Still needs a lot of work but I really wanted to see her on the pavement too.

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I'm reading about this car and thinking, 'Who is this 914 ranch guy?' hahahaha...Hi Joe!
That is a wild set of wings, can't wait to see how they perform. And I really dig the rims. Hope all is well over there.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 9 2021, 08:50 AM

QUOTE(Shivers @ Jun 9 2021, 10:07 AM) *

I'm reading about this car and thinking, 'Who is this 914 ranch guy?' hahahaha...Hi Joe!
That is a wild set of wings, can't wait to see how they perform. And I really dig the rims. Hope all is well over there.


Thanks, everything is good out here. Turning 73 this week and heading out for the Route 66 next week in this.

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Going to be in Ca for a few days as I need to see some relatives. I believe I will be staying in San Juan Capistrano.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 9 2021, 06:53 PM

Wow, 26,000 viewers. Thank all y'all so very much. I really appreciate that.

Posted by: Shivers Jun 9 2021, 07:13 PM

QUOTE(914 Ranch @ Jun 9 2021, 07:50 AM) *

QUOTE(Shivers @ Jun 9 2021, 10:07 AM) *

I'm reading about this car and thinking, 'Who is this 914 ranch guy?' hahahaha...Hi Joe!
That is a wild set of wings, can't wait to see how they perform. And I really dig the rims. Hope all is well over there.


Thanks, everything is good out here. Turning 73 this week and heading out for the Route 66 next week in this.

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Going to be in Ca for a few days as I need to see some relatives. I believe I will be staying in San Juan Capistrano.


Pretty Girl You have fun Joe

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 26 2021, 02:01 AM

Haven't had any time to do much more than look at her lately but I managed to get some in the last few days. I needed to loo at the front suspension to be sure that the A arms were inline with one and another. Got to look last night and it was much better than I expected. They are parallel and at the same height in the frame. She had an off-road excursion that left me a little worried. Now after looking I feel much better. I'm about to bleed the brakes which is the next to the last thing I have to do before I can think about using her. I still need to go through the rear axles and replace the wheel studs. The front studs are OK but the tests need to be longer. At my current pace all this should be done within the year. Hopefully I can find a way to get more motivated about her and finish her enough to go Auto crossing.
Yesterday I went to an auto cross school in the GT4 and had a wonderful time. Which gave me the motivation to look at the front suspension and bleed the brakes.
The GT4 is a wonderful car to autocross.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 26 2021, 02:07 AM

Haven't had any need for a double post. I'll find something to put in here.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 29 2021, 03:54 PM

I bled the brakes today. One more step in the right direction. Probably put her in the trailer tomorrow.


Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 18 2021, 06:34 AM

Yep, she's in her trailer and I'll be able to get some of her needs taken care of there. I just got some new front turn signal lenses and with the new head lights I can finish the front lights and wiring. It will be nice to have her drivable even if it's only in a parking lot.
Gonna have to do a little paint repair also. I think that the only thing left to do will be the rear axle, wheel studs and CV joints.
This almost makes me feel like I might even have a chance to drive her this year.
Must be time for a jsharp.gif and a MDB2.gif

27,500 viewers, I never would have thought.
I owe you people some Ribs.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 16 2021, 03:27 PM

Talking with a neighbor about the value of the intake and his response to me was"Let's do it digital."
So my immediate thought was Digital Pudding. I had no idea what I would do with an Arduino board and now I get to build one.
Going digital in the Plenum with 4 sensors. Atmospheric pressure, Temperature, Humidity and Wind Speed.
The parts are on order from E-bay and should be here in a couple of days. This will all be displayed in a screen on the dash.
When I originally thought of the Cold Air Intake I asked my neighbor Josh about getting some information about what is going on in the Plenum and he replied "Yes that we could do it digitaly."
If proves that it is all a failure you will see about it here first. I'm not looking for turbo like improvement I just want to give the carbs air that is cooler than the air in the engine bay. Come on, if it's 75° outside and 125° in the engine bay it will give a huge psychological advantage over what the cars weight and the wings are already doing.
Gosh, I'm thinking about paint.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 8 2021, 09:59 AM

I haven't done anything worth writing about lately and it's really bothering me. There is a bunch of small things that I can do, so my guilt trip will be getting the better of me soon. I have a few more things that need to be out of my way and then I'll have some freedom to do what I like. Nothing gives me more gratitude than working on something as badass as this car.
Thanks for your patience and I'll try to get back on track.

Posted by: Shivers Nov 8 2021, 09:54 PM

Hey Joe, been slacking here too. But tis the season to be working. Be safe

Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 12 2021, 02:28 PM

And now for something completely different. Actually working on the car at this time. There is a 3D printer in the house that is currently working on a project for the car. It's printing a fan housing for an oil cooler that will be mounted in the trunk with the exhaust out the rear panel in-between the tail lights. It will take 4 fans and some duct work but I won't have to run -10 to the front of the car.
Print in progress.

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This is a prototype and needs some corrections. It will take 4 fans and they push 800 Cubic feet per minute each. But that's probably not enough thrust to make the car roll.

Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 12 2021, 06:25 PM

My Rear oil cooler,,exit,, and oil tank


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Posted by: Maltese Falcon Nov 15 2021, 08:59 PM

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My Rear oil cooler,,exit,, and oil tank


@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=2744 On our current 8gtt build , using the Aviaid 4 gallon oil tank mounted in the rear (former) trunk area; going to use your method with the accessible filler cap.
I've seen these on many '70-80's Porsche Rennwagens and seeing this on your red car Rocks !
The fiberglass trunk lid will be quite busy back there, air intakes, intercooler cut out, oil filler cap biggrin.gif

Joe...the progress is looking good !
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Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 16 2021, 10:48 PM

Thanks Marty, I need to make more of an effort to get to the end of some of these little projects and that will be a lot of progress.
The printer is down for the moment but I am making progress on the fan housing.

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The radiators should be here by Thursday and I am hoping that the motors arrive here by then.
Don't mind the pun.
Kool project.

Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 17 2021, 05:56 PM

WoW Very COOL..

Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 18 2021, 06:11 AM

The printer is still waiting on parts but the motors are in. Now we know how long to make the tube and where we putting the propeller. We're making some corrections to the part and learning about the printer.
More pictures.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 18 2021, 06:12 AM

And this

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 18 2021, 01:18 PM

The radiators have arrived, need to start getting ready for the hoses.
Personal I believe that a serious Autocross car doesn't need much of a cooler because it is only driven in anger for a minute at a time. Front brakes probably don't need to be vented either. Which is heavier? Vented or unvented? I really think that unvented is the way to go.

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Behind the radiators is the layout for the grills. Using 4 of the side grills as I don't have a full engine cover grill to spare here. It will work. Got the mounting worked out, doing it off the shelf on the rear panel in-between the tail lights.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 18 2021, 01:45 PM

Now you can see the layout for the grills on top of the box. I think the coolers will set a little lower in the box than this. The shelf is at the same elevation as the bottom of the hole. They will only come down about an inch.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 28 2021, 09:49 PM

piratenanner.gif We got progress. The printer is up and printing parts. The bell is really nice but we're still working on it. I have been gathering parts and trying to figure out where to put the hoses and the the thermostatic controller. I still need hose and a few connectors but I am getting close. Going to need something to protect the box from the muffler heat and still need to cover the box with fiberglass. So I have a long ways to go.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 28 2021, 09:54 PM

More pictures.

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This is not my idea as Jim Hall and Hap Sharp had used the idea of taking the air out of the back of the car on the Chaperral 2J which was deemed illegal as it required a separate engine and me of course I am making an oil cooler. That car could lower the body 2" running the fan motor at 7K RPM. And was reported to go up to 25 MPH under the power of the fans alone.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 5 2021, 01:44 PM

I hear the compressor calling me. It just turned itself off. Been running for around 3 hours and it's not keeping up with me. I'm cutting the holes for the exhausting air from the oil cooler.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 5 2021, 05:46 PM

Wow, 30,004 views. I'm taking way to much time to do this. I should have finished this long ago.
Today while I was cutting the vent holes in the back panel my compressor quit. It came to a screeching halt. So I broke out the back up and tried to give it a chance. She didn't last 10 minutes it was down below 40#. So I quit for the day and now I'm having dinner at The Saint John's River Grill. I finally am making progress and it feels good...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 6 2021, 08:22 AM

I have another compressor just waiting to be wired, along with some other equipment that is in need of power. So I reverted back to 20 volts. The Millwakie grinder cut 4 times as fast as any of my pneumatics stuff. I have a patch to make, center of the trunk lock. Right now I am working on the screens as they are not anywhere near flat.

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I always have to tell myself that this is just a race car and it only has to look good at 20'.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 6 2021, 09:52 AM

More...

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Posted by: Shivers Dec 6 2021, 09:53 AM

Looks good Joe. Happy Holidays

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 6 2021, 04:10 PM

Thanks Bud, end of the day.

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Tomorrow I'll start the cleaning of the holes and patch the center hole. I should be ready to weld.

Posted by: sixnotfour Dec 6 2021, 07:04 PM

Very Nice...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 12 2021, 08:52 AM

Latest picture.

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Just trying to get àn idea of where the hoses and the oil thermostat are going.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 27 2021, 02:44 AM

I have been trying to recover from my back being out and a head cold but the New Year is upon us and I tend to be able to get some energy from that. So with the new compressor and welder powered up I have a new learning curve coming at me. The machine is a Miller Multimatic 220. It has Arc, Mig, Tig and a spool gun. Which I have never seen in use. It should be fun figuring out how it all works. It switches automatically between Mig and Tig by triggering the the gun or stepping on the foot pedal. And the only other thing I know about it is that it has power. I'm going to hook up the wire feed first cause I need to do the patch from the trunk lock and tack in the grills in. Then I can locate the radiators and install the brackets. At that point I will be able to start making up the hoses.

Posted by: Shivers Dec 27 2021, 07:52 AM

Wow, the welder sounds awesome. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours, Joe. @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=19 Ranch

Posted by: stownsen914 Dec 30 2021, 06:59 AM

Sounds like a sweet welding setup, had to google that. MIG and TIG in one machine, hadn't heard of that before. Now I'm jealous!

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 31 2021, 03:53 PM

Thanks Scott, I was using the MIG today practicing spot welding so I can weld in the grills on the oil cooler. This machine is much easier than my Lincoln 100 and does a much clearer weld. Almost makes me look good.

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Posted by: sixnotfour Jan 1 2022, 04:02 PM

Im ready for a new tig machine, Times have changed 100%


Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 3 2022, 06:39 AM

I have not tried the TIG as of yet but the change from TIG to MIG with out going to the machine is really neat. Miller has been making the 220 for about 3 years now so there are probably some options I don't know about. After I bought my Lincoln mig I became a Miller fan but I should have bought a larger plasma cutter.
I like the adjustable of the 220 because I get settings from the machine and can slow it down or speed it up depending on how it is working. Can't wait to try the spool gun.
I ordered material for the flat bottom today. I know, I know, off on another tangent. I have mentioned this before and I know that this will only lead me to something else like a defuser but there is more stuff in the way of completing the car. Right off the top of my head is rear axle hub to hub and the front suspension is not finished. I need to move her from the trailer to the garage for some grinding and welding hopefully I can get all of that done today.

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Picture is only here to get me to move the car. Welder doesn't reach out here.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 3 2022, 02:18 PM

Got the grills welded in and clamped the radiators in place. Kinda like it.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 3 2022, 02:19 PM

Another picture

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Still can't see anything but it is good progress.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 3 2022, 05:26 PM

Back in the trailer again.

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The grills worked out fine l really like the spacing. The box still needs some work. The hose is ordered but I'm still counting connectors.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 25 2022, 05:15 AM

Almost ready to make up the hoses.

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I still need 2 more fittings but I'm not sure what they are yet.
Might have to put in some 90's° in the corner of the trunk.
Ordered the 90's° and the fittings, it will be a few days.

Posted by: Shivers Jan 25 2022, 07:21 AM

Dang, looks good Joe

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 28 2022, 10:05 AM

Thanks again, got the first hose done really is satisfying to see even though you won't be able to when it's complete.

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I did the smallest one because if I screwed it up it wasted the least amount of hose. The 90's and 4 straight connectors should be here today. So if all goes well I believe that I can make up the hoses all the way to the thermostat. That'll leave me just 2 hoses left but I still have no idea what to expect for there termination.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 17 2022, 01:24 AM

I am truly sorry about being absent from the most important thing in my life. The car and of course All y'all. I have been in and out of bed for the last 3 weeks and I seem to be able to start back to life again.
At my worst my brother brought a home self test kit. Which turned out to be my turning point. For sure because when I opened the instructions and just got confused, so looking at the instructions as I couldn't comprehend them so then I turned them right side up and was no less confused. Call to my buddy Josh. He just laughed and 15 minutes later we are waiting for results which came out negative.
Nothing to do but go forward....
I guess the next thing is to primer the grills and do the hoses in the back of the car.
It feels good just to be sending this.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 18 2022, 02:31 PM

Gotta striped SS screw. Need to do some better prep work so my job is easier.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 23 2022, 07:26 AM

Gaining some ground on the fun stuff feels really good. But all of this is probably going to be interrupted. Today I am going to see if I can fix a smoker and see if I can make it work. If I can make it work correctly I may go to work there as a BBQ cook. My BBQ chicken is done in 1:45. You can be early but don't be late.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 2 2022, 04:25 PM

So I actually did something to the car today. I bent the cover to the air box on the oil cooler.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 3 2022, 12:33 AM

Another picture...

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I ordered a nibbler to cut the holes with and I am planning on putting the end caps in with flathead rivets, like every 2".
As it turns out every 1.25" inches. I'm gunna need some more rivets.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 3 2022, 08:02 AM

Ordered another 100 rivets.
Tried bending an edge flange for the side. I'm happy.

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Posted by: Shivers Mar 3 2022, 09:25 AM

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=19 Ranch

Coming along. Nibbler was nice to get close and finish with the wiss. Can't say how many times those crescent moon nibbles got me, they end up in some of the most peculiar places. Have fun Joe!

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 3 2022, 08:36 PM

Well this is going on also.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 3 2022, 08:41 PM

That's OK cause there is another picture available.

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Almost done...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 4 2022, 09:06 PM

Number 3 should be done in the early AM. So l should have all 4 by 4:20 tomorrow afternoon. I ordered a circle cutter for the fans holes today and it should arrive by Tuesday. It's so nice to have progress on this.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 5 2022, 05:30 AM

3 of the 4 bells and the last one is in the printer now. It will be done sometime around 5pm today. The propeller on the last bell on the right is installed and clearanced. I can't wait to hear all 4 of these babies pushing air.

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I still need hardware to mount the motors to the bells and the bells to the plenum.

Posted by: Shivers Mar 6 2022, 03:45 AM

That printing is very cool. I would have been baking PVC pipe for the flare and sanding it down thin. Would have been done by August. wink.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 6 2022, 10:27 AM

Yeah, I could never have made up the bell. I could have done the tube but after that I'm done. Sure it took some time to sort out the machine but it got done and I am happy.
The propeller touches some spots on the wall of the tube. Same place on all of them. So I'm cleaning up the surfaces with a file. Oh and breaking the lip at the bottom of the bell. Just like you were porting them.

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I hope you can see this.

Posted by: Shivers Mar 7 2022, 08:41 AM

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Yeah, I could never have made up the bell. I could have done the tube but after that I'm done. Sure it took some time to sort out the machine but it got done and I am happy.
The propeller touches some spots on the wall of the tube. Same place on all of them. So I'm cleaning up the surfaces with a file. Oh and breaking the lip at the bottom of the bell. Just like you were porting them.


I hope you can see this.



They look awesome! I think that is probably the best thing about printing your parts. Where mine would function, yours will look factory. Next time emboss your own made up 914 part number on it. laugh.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 7 2022, 09:49 AM

The 4 bells are complete and the propellers are clrearenced.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 7 2022, 09:53 AM

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Gosh that was quick...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 8 2022, 10:20 AM

Finished up the end caps on the air box. I have all the rivets and have done lay out but I am expecting some new tools on Friday, They should make cutting the holes easy and do precise lay out for the rivets and screws.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 11 2022, 04:15 PM

Wow, this is a milestone for me. And I finished installing the last bell at 4. That's 4 bells for me. I still have to cope in the air box around the tail lights and clean up the box but once that's done I get to finish the hoses.
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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 11 2022, 04:23 PM

Another picture.

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Posted by: Shivers Mar 12 2022, 10:13 AM

So with all the fans going at once, with the extra thrust what do you think, maybe 10 mph faster? wink.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 12 2022, 03:44 PM

Hey Bud, the 2 giant fans on the Chaparral fan car got Jim Hall to 25 mph, but I don't think that they will move this car unless it's pointed down hill. Too much junk in the trunk in the way, radiators and grill work.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 15 2022, 04:21 AM

Currently I am installing the panel that goes under the air box. I have the panel held in place with cleko clips so I can remove it for fitting during the installation. I'm trying to move the air box as far to the rear of trunk as possible because there is a little lip there and I can use it for attaching the top of the air box to it.

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The rear panel on the trunk of the car has an arc with a radius of over 20'. So since I can't replicate it I'm going to take an impression of the curve in foam board.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 15 2022, 04:42 AM

Since the rear of the car has a curve in it I can't just cut the panel off. It needs to be scribed to the body, but there is no room to do that. So I'm getting my cut line from the holes for the fasteners. We'll see how that goes.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 15 2022, 04:48 AM

Since the rear of the car has a curve in it I can't just cut the panel off. It needs to be scribed to the body, but there is no room to do that. So I'm getting my cut line from the holes for the fasteners. We'll see how that goes.

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You are barely able to see a line of 5 holes in between the clamps. The surface I am clamping to is a rolled lip. I'm drilling from the outside through the center of the lip. I may have to roll the edge of panel before I am done.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 21 2022, 05:24 PM

The air plenum for the oil cooler is in place for the first time. That just means it fits where it is supposed to. Really good to have it there.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 21 2022, 05:28 PM

I cut it down an inch so it would fit between the tail light brackets and made up 2 new end caps and it went right in.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 24 2022, 02:08 PM

Finished the bottom plate and did the final fitting on the air box.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 24 2022, 02:10 PM

Another view.

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Now I can get back to the radiators and hoses.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 25 2022, 01:29 PM

All of this is lose as I didn't have the hardware to finish it correctly.

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Trying to figure out where to put the Mocal thermal controller.. Right now I can do the 2 coming from the radiators to the 90° in the corner but I need to locate the Mocal to go any further.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 25 2022, 01:36 PM

Another picture of today.

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Going to be fun wiring them in. RC airplane parts for the controller and a potentiometer on the dash. Looks neat anyway.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 27 2022, 05:38 PM

Finished the fit of the air box and fastened it in place.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 30 2022, 03:41 PM

Finished the brackets and got the location for the Mocal today. All the hardware is there but there is a small clearance issue that I will handle before I do the hoses. Now I can make up 4 hoses. All very small.

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Posted by: Shivers Mar 30 2022, 10:46 PM

Coming out nice Joe

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 31 2022, 04:23 PM

Thanks man, today I got some hoses done.

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I cut another hose but ran out of time and didn't get the fittings done.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 2 2022, 12:55 AM

The air box is in it's place.

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I need to make some corrections as one of fans has some bad wiring and a fan housing is broken. We had just printed a replacement housing and it is rough and in need of detailing. I still need a couple of fittings to tie in to the oil system. I think I may have to pull the oil tank to make the connection. So as usual I still have a ways to go before I can fire her up.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 19 2022, 04:01 PM

Moving right along now, yeah right... Today I cleaned up all the edges of the air box in preparation for graining in an effort to remove some of the scratches in the aluminum. The box itself looks much better but I don't think that it shows up in the picture.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 19 2022, 04:13 PM

Another picture Good God,,, 34,000 viewers, hard to believe that I checked in that many times.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 19 2022, 04:22 PM

So I got distracted by Diesel, a new dog. A male 3 month old XL Bully. He is learning to be part of the family.

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I think he is about 40 pounds now and I have expectations that he will weigh more than 165, which is what his daddy weighs.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 21 2022, 01:21 PM

Finished up the details of the air box and set it in place in the car. It looks really good with the graining done.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 21 2022, 01:23 PM

The other end.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 21 2022, 01:26 PM

The radiators hiding in the grill work.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 23 2022, 12:10 PM

Made some more foam board patterns today. Putting in some more aluminum panels, these go just above the transmission.
The patterns.

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Where I am placing them there is an elevation change and this allows me to stack the sheets and sneak in a piece of extrusion for support.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 23 2022, 04:57 PM

Placing the panels. A few small details that should be quick and easy. Like moving the back up wiring and the ground strap. I can do most of fasteners tomorrow.

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Posted by: Shivers Apr 24 2022, 05:23 AM

Looking good Joe

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 24 2022, 01:05 PM

I ran out of hardware so still have to do final fitting. Really happy with the looks.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch May 1 2022, 09:08 AM

I have taken the last few days off to give my back a break. I worked out there for a couple of hours and the time spent away really helped. The bending over and reaching really hurts after just a few minutes. But today went well.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 1 2022, 09:14 AM

Getting ready to fasten down the new panels, also ready for another trip to Daytona bolt and nut. They want to see the car.
I love Calico clips

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I like this material so much that I might make up a new set of plenums out of it. They are made from a roof flashing material and it's pretty thin.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 9 2022, 05:07 PM

Finished the with the screws on the panels and really happy with the looks of it. It gave me a lot of pain bending over the back of the car. I had to give it a break for 3 days so I could finish it up.

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Still need to make up 2 more hoses but it requires pulling the oil tank so now I get to jack up the car in the trailer. I have to pull the plenum on the driver's side to get the tank out.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 9 2022, 05:10 PM

Another picture.

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Excuse me but I think that it is a really clean institution.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 9 2022, 05:13 PM

From the rear of the car.

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What can I say...

Posted by: Shivers May 10 2022, 06:13 AM

Looks good Joe. Curious to see the results in numbers. Is the air supply the two holes in the inner fenders?

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 10 2022, 03:28 PM

There are holes everywhere, I just hope I can make the motors work. If any of the things that I have done to this car works it will be a surprise to me. All of this stuff keeps me from watching the TV. Sure helps me pass the time. So if it works as good as I think it looks it would be really cool.
The latest pictures.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch May 10 2022, 03:30 PM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch May 11 2022, 09:09 AM

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=24781 , first of all, thank you for making me think. Second I must apologize for not knowing, but in '12 I had a stroke and lost my mind. One of the things that hasn't returned to me is your first name. All these years of association and I would really like to be able to address you by your first name.
My solution to your query is to box in the intake of the air box.
I can make the top from Plexi so you can still see those horns.

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Posted by: Shivers May 11 2022, 10:00 AM

No worries Joe, I have to keep my mind on a leash. Paul is my name. But I went and hung with family in New Jersey back in 2008, stayed all through summer and most of the fall. Me being a desert rat wore a jacket most of the time. The whole township was calling me Shivers... av-943.gif Lol so call me Shivers and know I respond fondly to it. Half the time my Wife calls me Shivers. Have a great day Joe!

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 12 2022, 12:19 AM

Paul of Crippled Krauts Racing Team??? Man that is way back. Thanks Paul. It has been a long time.

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Paul of Crippled Krauts Racing Team??? Man that is way back. Thanks Paul. It has been a long time.


Paul the cripple no doubt, but not from crippled krauts. We go back to the club days, NARP brothers and I'm a "Work Party At Joe's" multi- participant. SoCal914 was the old handle. If you don't remember, we'll just become friends again. I'm game

Posted by: Shivers May 12 2022, 10:57 AM

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Paul of Crippled Krauts Racing Team??? Man that is way back. Thanks Paul. It has been a long time.



Long time ago, there was a crazy bastard here that photoshopped everything. Mostly irreverent images. Here is one you may remember:

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And one I did for Howard:

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Posted by: 914 Ranch May 15 2022, 01:24 PM

Thirty five thousand viewers, WOW. I never could have imagined that. And I have found a way to get something happening that I always thought I could never afford. Elephant Racing's front suspension is for sale on the Bird board for $3,750 and I have 2 tax returns coming at me. With that and shocks from Marvin Shaw I can take the iron springs out of the car by replacing them with nitrogen gas. That's the best replacement pound for pound on the car. The wind screens for the windshield was a really good ratio but the 4 springs for all of the weight of the nothing that the nitrogen gas weighs has got that beaten by a mile.
I don't have a link, that's not really true as I don't have the ability to post a link. I bought some shocks from Marvin in '88 and they are still working today.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 15 2022, 01:24 PM

I'm just sitting here waiting for the delivery of the new suspension parts. I talked to Marvin Shaw shocks ( Marvin has passed but his shop is still working) and they can make up inserts for the shock housing and that is just what I need. I have seen this type of set up on a 914 before but I don't remember where and that car had coil over shocks. I'm just hoping to be able to eliminate the coil spring. I'll post a picture as soon as the parts arrive.

Posted by: Shivers May 17 2022, 11:15 AM

QUOTE(914 Ranch @ May 15 2022, 12:24 PM) *

Thirty five thousand viewers, WOW. I never could have imagined that. And I have found a way to get something happening that I always thought I could never afford. Elephant Racing's front suspension is for sale on the Bird board for $3,750 and I have 2 tax returns coming at me. With that and shocks from Marvin Shaw I can take the iron springs out of the car by replacing them with nitrogen gas. That's the best replacement pound for pound on the car. The wind screens for the windshield was a really good ratio but the 4 springs for all of the weight of the nothing that the nitrogen gas weighs has got that beaten by a mile.
I don't have a link, that's not really true as I don't have the ability to post a link. I bought some shocks from Marvin in '88 and they are still working today.


I think it's the wings. biggrin.gif

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Posted by: 914 Ranch May 19 2022, 11:59 PM

Thanks Shivers. The wings, yes. It definitely looks like it's going fast standing still.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 3 2022, 08:58 PM

Been trying to get the duct work in front of the fan box ready. I got all the aluminum for the frame and I am cutting the pieces up getting ready to tie it all together. Should be nice to see it all together,

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I don't think I have enough fasteners.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 4 2022, 04:17 PM

I cut up the frame today and I should have all the parts screwed together tomorrow. It's looking good and neat.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 8 2022, 07:02 PM

Almost there, still need some rivets and I can install this.

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Rivets should be in Saturday but the Elephant Racing suspension parts should be here tomorrow. Then I'll be thinking about Mono balls and shocks. That's going to really put a smile on my face.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 9 2022, 02:55 PM

Just another picture...

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I'm jazzed, but I did wonder just how long it's going to take me to finish this installation???

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 13 2022, 01:48 AM

Getting wired. I had to stop as I don't have the correct size heat shrink.

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So some time later today I get to go to my favorite marine store in Daytona Beach.

Posted by: Shivers Jun 13 2022, 05:09 AM

The front suspension is wicked

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 13 2022, 12:51 PM

Back from Daytona and all the wires have their heat shrinking done. In the picture I have the wires placed next to the connectors from the motors. Looking for the placement of the bus bar and the ESC. All those wires have to exit the end of the box somehow and the ESC has a switch on it that needs to turned on and off. And I thought this would be simple shit.

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Somehow I have to isolate the ESC from car electrical system. It can't take voltage over 12 volts.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 13 2022, 04:58 PM

So I built this nice reply and lost it.
So I'll try again. I'm going to use the cars 12 volts system to change the RC battery. A relay will turn on the RC ESC powering it up from the RC battery. That will give power to the potentiometer on the dash, which sends a signal to the ESC's and that runs the motors.
Ain't no simple shit here...

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 14 2022, 04:06 PM

This is the power distribution wires. With a motor plugged in. The wires are color coded because I need to have all the motors going the same direction.

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I ran out of bullets ( the brass connectors), they are on order.
OK you guys, that was one big ass Elephant Bite. I have been thinking about this one for weeks. Nice to see the final product looking so clean. I can see some Cazadores in the near future.

Gosh I feel good... piratenanner.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 15 2022, 04:01 PM

Working on the circuitry for the motors. Got some progress.

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Still a work in progress.


Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 16 2022, 09:41 AM

Yeah Falcon Who, I have control over the motors.
Time to move everything on to and into the air box.

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So JAZZED....

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 16 2022, 02:49 PM

One of the motors is not wired in (I'm missing 2 little brass bullets). The box needs aluminum brace across the top. And I need to check the connections on the relay. And a hot lead from the engine electric box.

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Posted by: Shivers Jun 16 2022, 10:02 PM

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Working on the circuitry for the motors. Got some progress.

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Still a work in progress.


Soooooo, 88 miles per hour? Pretty darn cool Joe

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 17 2022, 04:03 PM

Air box is almost complete. Can't wait to hear it roar...
First the electronics.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 17 2022, 04:07 PM

Lousy pictures, have to try harder.


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See how this one comes out.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 17 2022, 04:13 PM

Not bad so I'll do another.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 18 2022, 06:16 AM

Enjoying my coffee and accomplishments this morning. Not to be beating my own drum this is a really cool piece of work. A couple of things still to be done. I ordered some wire and some bullet connectors which will finish it up and bring me to the installation. Fusch, Fusch, I truly believe that this is the sweetest rear of the car oil cooler installation I have ever seen.

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And here is another accomplishment. This thread is about to go over 37,000 viewers. This is so COOL. WOW JUST WOW...
Once again thanks to all y'all for your continued support of my addiction and LOVE for my machine.

Beating my own drum ( Eeh, Aye, Aye, Aye.) To an ancient Native American rhythm.
Enthusiasm
Inspiration
Imagination
Innovation

I do feel the LOVE.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 20 2022, 12:02 PM

This morning I hooked up all the electrical connections and fired it up. There were motors running and that made my day. Remember one of the motors is not connected so it doesn't work. Still waiting on the connectors. Happy to hear the response from the 3 of them. When all 4 motors are running I will get them straight and all running the same way.

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So close...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 22 2022, 10:06 AM

I cleaned up the top of the box today. I used my Eastwood SCT and it did a wonderful job. Leaving a nice grain pattern on the hole top.
SCT in the background.

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Still waiting on the connectors for motor number 4. Should be here any day.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 23 2022, 01:51 PM

The connectors arrived yesterday and I installed them immediately. I then got all the motors running the same direction. I'm running into some electrical glitches so after I get all of them sorted out I will do the installation.
That is a big deal as it involves work under the dash through the hole car, pulling the plenums, finishing up the oil coolers. An oil change and reassembling the duct work and fan box. No sweat, we're going into the hottest time of the year and I will be working outside. We'll see how it goes.
Checking out batteries and I think I'm gonna need a bigger boat er, uh battery.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 27 2022, 09:59 AM

Although it appears that nothing is happening here work on the wiring for the circuit board for the control of the sensors. Air temperature, pressure and velocity and a few other things in the car.
Remember going digital? That's still happening. There is a circuit board on the fan box and a screen on the dash going in. I don't have the ability to fabricate the boards so my neighbor Josh is doing that. He says the screen has 5 lines on it and they can each be different colors.
Two new buttons are also coming to the dash one to power up the circuit board and one for Mark Shid+#!?&tl @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=7300 . Mark had mentioned at one point that it would be nice to have the rear wing adjustable from the cockpit. I have a huge servo for a flap and I am working on just that. I seems as though thru the circuit board I will be able use the flap in 3 positions. Like an adjustable Gurney Flap. I'm going to call those positions 0 None (0°) 1 Some (30°) and 2 A Lot (60°).

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The difference between a LARGE and small servo. The adjustable flap is just for intimidation. It might even work out to be a good tool for the car.
Look, I want this car to be shocking. I want the top time racers to say, if they ever figure out how to drive that car we're all done.

Posted by: Shivers Jun 28 2022, 10:37 AM

Anyway you could use a speed sensor to adjust the wing for you? One less thing

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 28 2022, 10:43 PM

Hey Paul, so here I go again off on another tangent. Sense we have a computer on board we can probably make the flap computer controlled. So it could be made flat when under hard acceleration. And up full when on the brakes. Just when I thought I was getting ahead I figured that I need to do more things to the car. Active areo WOW. Ok I will talk to Josh and we'll brainstorm it tomorrow.
We have had the fans running but it hasn't been quite correct. It seems that the 80 amp ESC is inadequate and that it might require 2 of them. When I bought the motors they came with ESC's but that meant that I had to run 4 of them and I wanted to just have 1 controller. So now I'm going to work on tying 4 of them together. So I think I am going to put it all inside the box.
More later today.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 2 2022, 10:21 AM

Well I guess this is latter. I've taken all the wires and electronics off of the fan box and I am moving fan housings to inside the box. When I was organizing the electronics originally I was trying to use a single RSC but the complicated electronics didn't want to run the 4 motors. So now I'm going to try to make 4 ESCs work together. One of the advantages to having one ESC was that I could put in on the side of the box. Now everything has to go inside the box which means pulling the box for maintenance.
Currently I am rotting 2 of the fan housings to make all the connections on the center of the floor of the box. So just to see I connected all the motors wires up and it looks like I will be able cut down on a lot of the wires to the motors. About this much.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 2 2022, 10:26 AM

The wiring should be much easier as all the power points will be together and I should be able to tie all the throttle wires together too.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 5 2022, 03:04 PM

No progress yesterday or today by myself, but Josh is getting the circuit board together. Thanks you brother. Myself I was helping a friend with their boat twice and fell both times. My back is out and today is the third day after fall number one. I'm OK but quite stiff and I don't walk well yet. I have done some small things like straighting up the wiring inside the box.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 7 2022, 03:08 PM

OK, here we go again. Sense this is the second attempt at controlling the motors I am using 4 ESC's and the circuit board to provide the correct voltage for the throttle and the rear wing flap servo. I still need to bring 12 volts to the busbar. Power from the regulator through a relay that is made hot by the ignition switch.

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Posted by: Shivers Jul 9 2022, 01:53 PM

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OK, here we go again. Sense this is the second attempt at controlling the motors I am using 4 ESC's and the circuit board to provide the correct voltage for the throttle and the rear wing flap servo. I still need to bring 12 volts to the busbar. Power from the regulator through a relay that is made hot by the ignition switch.

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Oh cool, good idea. Everything hot from one spot makes it easier to trouble shoot. Peace

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 12 2022, 01:14 PM

Thanks Paul but all the trouble shooting has to happen inside the box now. With the single ESC which was outside the box I had easy access, now I have to pull the box to do it. I still have to make it live before I can do the installation. We'll see where it goes from there.
I really want to see the fan box with the duct work installed.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 13 2022, 05:07 AM

And there goes another thousand, 38,000 viewers.
At my anual physical the other day my Doctor says to me, " Joe how is your heart?
Me, " My hart is fine, it hasn't been broken in years."
Yesterday I started wiring for Gurney flap on the rear wing. It's going to be a little difficult.
Josh has been working on the circuit board and is making good progress.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 15 2022, 11:02 AM

Hiding from the heat today. Working on wires for the motor controls. Trying to get the rear wing apart so I can install the servo and cut in the Gurney flap. If things don't work out, I'll make a new wing built for the Gurney flap and the servo.


Posted by: Shivers Jul 16 2022, 11:59 AM

Pretty cool stuff, Joe

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 16 2022, 06:22 PM

Thanks Paul, I really think so. If everything works the way it is supposed to I'll be able to see if the scoops for the intake are aiding in airflow and the same goes for the fan box. I can add an air pressure sensor to the bottom of the air box and see if it is really dropping the air pressure under the car. Check the air speed in the plenums and at the exhaust grills behind the oil coolers. I will be able to check air temperature, pressure and velocity anywhere on the car. The readout and controls will be on the dash.

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Today I located the Gurney flap servo. This is so COOL.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 18 2022, 06:40 AM

Cut out the opening for the Gurney flap on the rear wing and drilled a chase for the wires. I also figured out how to hide the servo wires up to the wing.

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I was also looking at the Gurney flap width and what you see here is 2", but I 'm thinking about 1.5" would be adequate.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 19 2022, 06:35 AM

The relay gives regulated power to the ESC's. I did this yesterday and now it's about ready for a test to see if it will all work together

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The white paper is a pattern for the end of the air box. It needs replaced because it has to many holes in it.

Posted by: Shivers Jul 19 2022, 01:11 PM

Very cool Joe...Let us know

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 20 2022, 01:44 PM

Thanks Paul, probably a couple of days before I can crank it up.
Mounting the electrics to the patched end of the air box. I need more wire, it should arrive tomorrow.

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Works just like the first one, ignition switch powers up the relay, it turns on the regulator which gives regulated power to the ESC's. The regulator is there to protect the delicate little ESC'S. That way they will never see a spike.
Josh tells me that the Arduino board is almost complete and that new screen and cable are here.
WOW, the fan box is almost complete and we are going DIGITAL soon.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 22 2022, 04:34 AM

Awful lot of people checking in here every day. I'm not tracking the numbers but I 'm just trying to keep me going. It seems to work because I really enjoy the out come. The results are obvious as the car is radical and I am the one that is doing it. You guys here help me a lot and I really appreciate your input like when Scott Townsend said to put the front wing close to the ground and Mark Shidemantel (sorry Mark, I could never spell your last name) said to make the rear wing adjustable from the cockpit, I had no idea how to accomplish that. Now I do and am making it happen.
The car is still a long ways out because of what I still would like to do, like the flat bottom and the front suspension. I know what I:m going to do with the exhaust and that will probably cause me to think about other unexpected things that will give me some more to do.
So as my build thread approaches 40'000 viewers I have a lot of people to thank. Everyone of them cost me thought effort and time, but that is really what this car is for. Time. I have something really cool to do everyday. The changes you have guided me to have made this car as cool as it is. DON'T EVER STOP!!!
So a huge thanks go out to
Scott
Tony
Mark
Paul
and anyone that has caused me to back up and look at what I was doing and redo it.
This project would not be as bitchin as it is without your input.

Posted by: stownsen914 Jul 29 2022, 06:23 PM

Keep on truckin' Joe, lookin good!

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 30 2022, 07:04 PM

Thanks Scott, this has been fun. I was happy with the car when I was running out on the west coast. It still had some pushing in the front end but the geometry was not quite right and I thought it could still lose a little more air pressure. The tires were scuffing in on the outside but nothing on the inside. I found that I still had a bit of camber left . Now I have taken that out. The rear of the car was planted and the temperatures were within 8° a cross the back of the car. So I'm not changing a thing there. It's still has a long ways to go before I can put her back on the track.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 31 2022, 11:23 AM

So, I'm having lunch and checking out all my computer options. Laptop, tower and phone. currently I'm using the tower, normally I use the phone but today I'm using the tower which required a little work to get up and running. The reason I'm doing all this stuff is Starlink arrived day before yesterday. So now I'm going through all the stuff and making sure it is all functional.
Ribs for lunch, I can't tell you how good these ribs are. I've been sending some home with the staff of my watering hole (Saint John's River Grill) and one of the guys mother came over to me the other day and said that she really liked them and handed me a $50. What a nice surprise. So Friday night I cooked 11 racks and sent her one a half racks. The staff at The Grill got the rest. I cook them so that they are falling off the bone but every rack weighs in over 4 pounds which makes them very meaty. I had 4 bones for lunch that's probably half a pound. As you can see from the picture the piece that still has it's bone they are meaty. Look close.

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I'm editing from my phone and posting from the tower. Sorry if I seem confused.

39,001 viewers today. I said it before and I'll probably say it over many times, WOW Just WOW...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 4 2022, 09:23 AM

I've been having a dilemma about how to hinge the flap on the rear wing. I've made it way more complicated than it needs to be. First of all it's 50" and me thinking that it needs to pivot freely. So I was trying to think of fabricating up some sort of wire hinge with 5 or 6 pivots. And do that without it being difficult to install and move freely. Right. So today I had a thought about the hole thing and this is where I went. It doesn't need to be perfectly centered on the wing or have perfect fairing when up, it just needs to pivot.
I have on hand some really light fiberglass cloth to make a 2" wide tape from and glue it on with Flex Seal. I just ordered some 1/16" pinstripe tape and I would like to use it to put a center line on the fiberglass tape on both sides so I can pull it after the installation.
It seems to me that I always try to make things more difficult than they need to be.

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Cutting the Flap out.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 4 2022, 10:43 AM

I've been having a dilemma about how to hinge the flap on the rear wing. I've made it way more complicated than it needs to be. First of all it's 50" and me thinking that it needs to pivot freely. So I was trying to think of fabricating up some sort of wire hinge with 5 or 6 pivots. And do that without it being difficult to install and move freely. Right. So today I had a thought about the hole thing and this is where I went. It doesn't need to be perfectly centered on the wing or have perfect fairing when up, it just needs to pivot.
I have on hand some really light fiberglass cloth to make a 2" wide tape from and glue it on with Flex Seal. I just ordered some 1/16" pinstripe tape and I would like to use it to put a center line on the fiberglass tape on both sides so I can pull it after the installation.
It seems to me that I always try to make things more difficult than they need to be.

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Cutting the Flap out.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 6 2022, 07:17 AM

My rendition of The Gurney Flap.

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I would have never thought of this until @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=7300 asked for it.
Thanks Mark!!!

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 8 2022, 07:40 AM

So I pulled the flap and fitted it with the wing and taped it in place. The fit is perfect and it is much freer than I expected. Lifting it from laying on the top flat it falls down into its neutral position with a clunk. Much better than what I expected. Completely free from any drag.

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Sorry you don't get to see the action, I need to learn how to post a video.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 8 2022, 07:43 AM

So after deleting the double post I'll be posting about what I am trying to accomplish today. Like getting the wing ready for the hinge. I'm going to try to do the gluing in 2 stages, upper and lower. With some tape over the center line. Wish me luck.
We're really close to 40,000 viewers.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 8 2022, 07:51 AM

Well it's not very pretty but should be functional. Really not dry enough to do anything with. I hate waiting.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 11 2022, 04:35 PM

Well here it is Boys and Girls except for the chanel for the wires and the length of the levers on the linkage for the Gurney flap it's done.

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Less than 40 viewers till it gets to 40,000 Viewers.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 12 2022, 09:11 AM

Got the wing ready to go back on the car. Made up the channel to cover the wires going up the mounting bracket and it looks OK but if I don't like it later I can change it easily.

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When I started this post I looked to see how many views this thread has had and it said 39,995. I'm going to look right now and see if I'm any closer to the big 40,000 number yet...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 12 2022, 12:23 PM

40,000 VIEWERS at last. I am jazzed, I never thought that I would receive such a huge amount of attention. Can't be my writing, has to be something in the contents.
What ever, you've put perma-grin on my face. Thank you for your support and habitual returning to my build thread...
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I sure would like to cook for al'yal...
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That's my smiley...


Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 13 2022, 03:24 PM

Well I managed to get some time for the car today. I cleaned up the finish on the strut and the end plate and ran the wires to the servo.

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The wires are coming out of the hole in the bottom of the wing.and I left enough wire to make it back to the air box.
The grain on the aluminum looks good on the strut and end plate .

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 15 2022, 12:35 AM

Purely for your entertainment, I am getting closer all the time.

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Let's see how bad the picture is.
I might have to change it as it's not very good. We'll what tomorrow brings.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 17 2022, 05:46 PM

The wires to the servo connector are done and tucked away at the correct length. Coming out of the bottom of the strut bracket at the drip rail so I can tuck them into rear of the car. I still need to make a connection to the wires coming out of the air box. Oh I'm forgetting the linkage from the servo to the Gurney flap

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 17 2022, 05:53 PM

Servo wires coming out of the bottom of the strut bracket.

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The strut bracket mounts into the drip rail on the rear trunk. I can make the connection to the air box there.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 19 2022, 05:33 AM

Placed the wing and located the wires by clipping them in place with a plastic clip on double sticky tape. Next step is to heat shrink it into shape. It only has 2 connectors in the circuit one at the servo and one at the air box. The wing comes off the car with 4 quick release pins and 1 connector.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 19 2022, 05:34 AM

The way I ran the wires.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 19 2022, 05:36 AM

Where the connection is going to be. You can barely see the wires coming out of the air box but they cross where I can get both hands on them.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 26 2022, 02:23 PM

Today I was working on getting the air box ready for the adreno
board installation. Just some small details.

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Josh told last night that he had it live and it was working. He also talked about some of the sensors.
WOW, this is so COOL.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 26 2022, 02:30 PM

The adreno board installation will go here.

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The voltage regulator and the relay can be moved if they need more room.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 29 2022, 03:29 PM

Working on the circuits with a new relay that will power up the Gurney flap when the brakes are applied. I really hope this works just because it would be so cool to see it happen.
I've got power to the Arduino board from the relay that is the signal to the board. Now I need to finish the wires to the servo. Everything will need to be wired to the Arduino board. We have a bunch of sensors and each one is different, some by function others by location.
Wind speed will be cool also. I will be able to see Barometric Pressure, Temperature and Humidity in several places on the car at once.
All of this works...

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The voltage regulator is there to protect the delicate electronics from the spikes and the 2 relay's turn on the ESC'S and put the Gurney flap up when the brakes are applied.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 31 2022, 12:36 AM

Nice that I had my circuits running tonight because Josh came over to connect the Arduino board up.
I got to see it light up. But the board didn't like the clean 12 volts. So Josh is making up a low voltage power point to feed it what it wants.
Really it's just a bunch of spaghetti right now but this hole thing is just an exercise in electronics.
But I'm jazzed because I got to see the screen and the board light up.
Josh started this test tonight because he has a question about powering up the ESC's signal. Right now I have all 4 ESC's tied together and he was afraid that we might have to run them as individuals. My bus bar has the room to do that.
Josh went home to make up the power point.
I was going to take a picture but like I said it would only be of spaghetti.
This is so Kool...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 31 2022, 10:49 PM

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So I bought this light to add some light to the inside of the box. I had bought 2 of them before and they were white. I had intended to put it on the Bimini top on my poontoon but never got around to it. I had used the other two, one for a license plate light and the other on a Bimini for cockpit lighting. I also thought that it might light up the oil coolers a little and that might look neat. So after the installation I got this one lit is when I found out that it is red. Damn. It's going on the car this way at least until I decide to change it.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 31 2022, 10:51 PM

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It's hard to get anything done inside of the box because of the light level. But I'm not sure that I can live with this.
We have lots of work left todo inside here and it may get changed before the box goes back in.
I hope someone is laughing out there.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 1 2022, 12:09 AM

I don't think that this is going to work.

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Can't see the screws on the bus bar. It's 2am, I'll talk it over with Josh later. He has to wire in the Arduino board and make sure everything works.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 1 2022, 12:34 AM

Some of the things I want to know that the Arduino board is going to be able to tell me are.
Do the intake scoops make a difference in air pressure and temperature in the plenums?
Does the fan box make a difference in air pressure under the rear of the car at speed?
How much air flow is in the plenums?
The temperature of any place on the car?
How fast is the car going (wind speed)?
The air pressure on the top and bottom of the air foils?
Any questions that can be answered out there in my viewer land?

The installation is going to take a little time as Josh does most of his work on the car after he puts his girls to bed. He comes over here often in the wee hours sometimes just to escape.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 1 2022, 06:06 AM

Somehow I missed all this. It says 10.16 CM Rouge. So today I'll see if I can't find one that talks about White.

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What's french for white, blanc. I'll find out later. Have to have real light in there.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 2 2022, 12:06 AM

This is so much better. I hung 2 LED strip lights from the ceiling of the box and it is so much more light. My problem with the red was glare, and really made it hard to focus on the screw heads.

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Now I can see the head of the screw from outside of the box.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 2 2022, 12:12 AM

Look closely and you can see the head of the screw through the fan housing.

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I lied, it's a very bad picture and I can't see shit. Sorry, but changing the lights made a huge difference in what you can see inside the box.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 7 2022, 04:54 PM

Today Josh and I had a meeting about what he needed for the wires from the bus bar to the Arduino board for the signal wires to the ESC'S and the Gurney flap. So I ran them this evening.

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Now I believe that I can mount the box and run the wires up to the rear wing bracket. I need to run the wires though the plastic clips and use the heat gun to form the wires in place.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 9 2022, 07:20 AM

Everything is labeled, the motors are numbered and show directions. I either have 1 correct and 3 wrong or vice a versa. The ESC's and the wiring on the bus bar.

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One of the ESC's seems to have a weak signal. (#4). I have a spare.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 12 2022, 07:02 AM

I've done a little more detailing to the electrical wiring inside the air box and I'm in the middle of installing an off and on switch for the lighting in the box. Also I decided to use the red light as a 3rd brake light but I don't think it is bright enough so I'm adding 2 more. The switch and lights should be here later this week.

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During the many times that I have placed the air box into it's location once the voltage regulator was in the way of the taillight bracket. So it got moved over.
At this time I am trying to put the switch for the interior lights inside the box, next to the taillight bracket. Hopefully I will be able to get my finger on the switch and turn it on and off. The red wires in the for ground will go to the switch.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 15 2022, 05:27 PM

Today I spent about 4 hours on the electronics inside the box. It gave me a cleaner and more organized finished appearance. Believe me it's much easier to fallow now. During the chore of getting this done I redid the wiring for the 3rd brake light relay, now it works. Oh and I installed a switch on the inside lighting.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 15 2022, 05:31 PM

The box with the 3rd brake light on.

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Just to see how this shows...
The coolers will look bitchin bathed in that glow.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 24 2022, 03:01 PM

I've not had much time for the car lately but I can sometimes slip in a moment or two just because a lot of the project is in the living room.
The Gurney Flap with linkage in the full up position.

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Damn, I just like it.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 9 2022, 02:59 PM

Well I finally got the Gurney Flap pivot lever finished and installed and and the pivot hinges screwed down. I'm really happy with the the pivot lever as the other one was weak and ugly and causing problems. This one has a pop rivet for a pivot point.

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It almost seems like every time I turn around there is another Thousand Viewers. Thank you very much. Over 42,000 now.

Don't forget to like and subscribe.....
I don't think I have enough time in my life to be a U tuber.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 12 2022, 12:46 AM

Exercising the Gurney Flap. I don't know about you but I really like this. This is the position the Flap well be in when the brake lights are on.

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Neat, I have Jim Hall of Chaperral to thank for that and exhausting the air from the oil cooler out the rear of the car. I believe that he used an air brake before he actually used a wing for down force. I'm thinking '64. His worked off of the hydraulics from the brakes. We're just running a wire from the brake light as it's only about a foot from the Arduino board.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 12 2022, 12:57 PM

The Arduino board is here. Josh is trying to hook it up. I'm trying to stay out the way.

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I don't expect everything to be perfect, but this is definitely progress

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 12 2022, 02:05 PM

I have seen the two barometric sensors, the air flow meter and saw all 4 motors run. I have a huge task in from of me in putting all of them away somewhere. It just feels so nice to have it all here and working.

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Some of this mess goes under the dash and some in and on the air box. We can't check out the Flap at this time but as soon as I get everything tied down we will be able to do that.
This is so KOOL...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 15 2022, 01:08 PM

Making Spaghetti. Hope I can figure all of this stuff out. When Josh said he could put an Arduino board on I had no idea what he was talking about much less how to spell Arduino. Now I'm handling the installation. This might turn out to be very embarrassing, showing me how foolish my fantasies are. But then again no one will ever be able to wipe the smile off face if this stuff works.
Going Digital....

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The 2 toggle switches in the back ground are laying next to the screen and all of that goes on the dash. Thinking about mounting some magnets to the sensors and thin sheet metal where I want to get a reading from.
The plenums are on the table now.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 15 2022, 04:08 PM

Getting everything straightened out, now I know where everything goes.


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Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 16 2022, 03:52 AM

So I'm trying to attach the Arduino board and power pack (the Arduino board didn't like our clean 12v supplied power). So there is a separate board too supply power to the Arduino board. I'm using a M2 x 8mm screws on the Arduino board but they are too big for the power board. I think I can make up something to clamp the board down using the M2 hardware so it should be fine. I have a correction for Josh as I want to flip that board over so the electronics are facing and the wires are pointing up.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 16 2022, 04:07 AM

Today I am installing the Arduino Boards. Got a problem with the small one and will probably have it worked out by this afternoon.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 16 2022, 10:00 PM

So much better, and the m1 hardware is on the way.


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Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 16 2022, 10:04 PM

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I.jusy wanted to see what this looks like...

Complete and udder failure

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 18 2022, 12:44 PM

I mounted the screen and the 2 circuit boards today. Now Josh gets to clean up behind me. I pulled 2 wires lose but he had a bunch of stuff that needs shortening and straighten out. Soon I will be able to test the motors for detection. I still need to make up the extensions for the sensors and place some sheet steel at the spots I want to read the sensors.

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I mounted the screen to a large piece of scrap and mounted 1 of the sensors to a very small piece because they take really small screws. M1 I'm, finding that I can mount it to something that I like to work with, like 18 gauge aluminum.
Just like everything else, I have no idea what I'm going to do with the screen. But it's probably going to need a shade of some sort.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 21 2022, 06:02 PM

This little panel is going on the dash. It contains the screen, throttle control for the fans and the controller for the Gurney Flap. We almost be Digital. Today I ran the wires for the Gurney Flap. I used a heat gun for the heat shrink and guided it through the hold down clips, so it looks clean.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 22 2022, 04:29 PM

Picture of the hardware that I have to use. The micro controller board uses the smaller hardware (M1) and the LCD screen uses that larger stuff (M2). The m1 is so tough to work with cause you couldn't tell if the threads were engaged.

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I know that I have a lot to do here but being at this point makes me feel like end of this is near. I am currently mounting the LCD screen to the dash.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 23 2022, 01:01 AM

Picture of the hardware that I have to use. The micro controller board uses the smaller hardware (M1) and the LCD screen uses that larger stuff (M2). The m1 is so tough to work with cause you couldn't tell if the threads were engaged.

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I know that I have a lot to do here but being at this point makes me feel like end of this is near. I am currently mounting the LCD screen to the dash.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 5 2022, 06:07 AM

So I was trying to power up the fan box and let the smoke out of the Adurino board. Fuck, now I caused a huge delay in progress but sense Josh has been learning more about the boards I get an upgrade in the computer programming that comes with much smaller boards.

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I installed a piece of sheet metal on the floor of the box so I could use for a mounting point for the sensors. They each have a magnet. I want to know the air velocity and biometric pressure inside the box. Only my first curiosity, as I want to compare this to the pressure of the engine bay and under the back of the car at speed.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 7 2022, 08:42 AM

Installed the rubber grommets in the air box this morning.

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Now I need to clean up the box again and it's getting really close, really having a good time with this. I've been having a problem with some of the wires because I can't see what I am trying to crimp. So I bought a light with a magnifying glass in it. Hoping that I can get the job done.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 7 2022, 01:45 PM

The picture I promised you. The smoke came from the top left middle, it looks a little singed

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 12 2022, 06:09 AM

I was trying to get some thing done and was dealing with bad weather. So I made my first mistake, I put up a table on the living room. When that project was done I took down the table and got my living room back. In a few days I wanted to do another project and it was a little bigger, so I set up 2 tables. My living room has become my shop. A/C and heat, I love it. The other day I was watching something on Starbase and I got a good view of the rocket garden. Starhopper and the later models. I looked back at the tables and I had placed a plenum on top of the air box. The plenum looked like it was built by the water tank crew. I have decided to make new plenums. The quality of my work is much better than it was when I made up the plenums.

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The new plenums will be as nice as the air box.
I'm approaching 75 and those plenums have more wrinkles than I do.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 29 2022, 02:45 AM

The plenums are under construction, the driver side base is fitted and on the car now I have to make a bend in the passenger side before I can fit it. The other day I tried to bend some aluminum angle and got good results and I think it will all be assembled with pop rivets.

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The 3/4" plywood I am using as a guide while I use the shrinker and stratcher on the aluminum angly.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 2 2022, 12:08 PM

The new plenums are coming along nicely. I can see from this picture that I have made a lot more room for the engine fan, to me it looks like it's gained a hole bunch of breathing room. We'll see when I get the plenums completed, currently we're awaiting some aluminum angle. I have everything else on hand so they should finish very quickly.

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I had decided to make new patterns for the new plenums, aside from looking like they were assembled by the crew that built Starhopper. I thought they could be a little smaller, so I made up patterns from the old plenums and laid out the rain hat over holes for the carbs and made the new plenums just a little larger than the rain hat.
We'll see how it looks when I finish it.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 3 2022, 05:28 PM

piratenanner.gif 44 THOUSAND viewers.
I need to make more of an effort for you people. I'm probably getting too much nap time.
At this time the duct work is ready but the fan box is waiting for some electronics. Both the duct and the box are looking really good. Been thinking about the exhaust system and I leaning towards megaphones and Super traps. I think that this would be quick and easy and not cost a bunch of money. I'll put the air box and the duct work back in the car. There is a bunch of stuff that I need to do under the car. So she'll be back up on the stands soon. Pictures tomorrow.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 6 2022, 04:40 PM

The new bases for the plenums are in place, not installed. They look so much clearer it will be really nice to have them looking as clean as the air box.

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Man that's going to make one badass engine bay picture...
I like the proportions of the plenums much better now.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 8 2022, 04:04 PM

Assembling the new plenums.

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I should be finished with this tonight, when it's done I'll take a picture with one of the old ones just for the smiles.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 11 2022, 09:02 AM

This is number 2, should be done in a couple of hours.

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I'll post pictures when I put it in place.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 12 2022, 01:16 AM

The other one is ready for fitting.

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I cut foam board templates for the plexiglass tops.
I am jazzed with the way that these came out.
Excuse me but they look TITS...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 12 2022, 08:47 AM

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NICE.....

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 18 2022, 06:48 PM

Deatailng the new plenums this evening, laying out the hardware and filing all the edges on all of the pieces. As all the aluminum always has an edge that seems to know I cut easy.

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Should be finished tomorrow. I decided to mount and wire the barometer sensor in the center of the plenum. I'd rather unplug a wire than disassemble the plenum to use the sensor somewhere else.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 28 2022, 07:19 PM

Been trying to get something done but I just seem to be in the way. I'm happy with the new plenums and the install is going well also.

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I'm batting better than 500 on the pictures. But that's only after the editing.

Posted by: infraredcalvin Dec 29 2022, 04:07 PM

Looking good! Can’t tell fro the pic, looks like you’re fine, but make sure you’ve got enough distance between the top of the horns and the lid, too close and you block airflow….

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 30 2022, 03:18 AM

Thank you Pat, it has more than a rain hat all the way around and I used a rain hat for the dimensions when I did the redo of the plenums. Rain hats have 3" inside them and the plenums have 4".
This is definitely the hardest ( physically) thing that I have done to the car. Way to much bending over. My back is giving me 7 & 8's. It's just a temporary thing, in a couple of days I will be back to normal, makes me want my wheelchair back. But the car is ready for start up again. And that is real progress. It sure looks BITCHIN...

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My wheelchair didn't fit into the garage. Welding in the Engman stiffing kit was only hard because I had to climb over the door brace. The car was on stands and shimmed level.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 30 2022, 03:33 AM

I thought I posted this.

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Nope not a repost. Just another picture but the drivers side plenum is complete in the second one. The plexiglass and the screws are in.
Like I said, looks pretty cool to me.
OK look, so this car puts a smile on my face. biggrin.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 30 2022, 04:17 AM

Rain hat with an air filter inside the old plenum.

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Yes, this is a much better picture.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 30 2022, 07:43 AM

So Pat got my curiosity going and I just had to know. The clearance between the violosity stacks and the ceiling of the rain hat is an inch and a half, the clearance of the stacks and the ceiling inside the plenums is two and an eight. It's more than I thought.

Posted by: infraredcalvin Dec 30 2022, 10:37 AM

Ahhh much better pic, that should be plenty of room. I’ve always thought scooping air from the sails is a much more elegant solution than adding a scoop from the top a la GT1…. Haven’t seen too many sail scoops though…

As mentioned in another thread, glad this makes you happy, that’s what this is all about!

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 1 2023, 03:27 PM

Thanks again Pat.
Second, HAPPY NEW YEAR...
Third, I got start up today...
Tumultuous times, screw that, I have a great start on the year and I'll go directly forward. Tomorrow I will have the car out and be able to clean up the trailer and car. Oh boy another photo opp.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 12 2023, 03:32 AM

Working on mounting the front turn signal lights. It's an 1157 mounted in a flash light reflector in a piece of aluminum. Weight is about 4 oz.

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914 Light got nothing on me.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 12 2023, 03:45 AM

Driving light.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 20 2023, 03:13 AM

I've been looking at some stuff to hold the wire looms in place and I am not really happy with the plastic clips that I have been installing on the car. What I'm looking at right now is magnets held in place with heat shrink.

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Installing the looms with a heat gun I can make them lay petty much anywhere I want. If one magnet won't hold it in place I can easily add another magnet, like on that connector.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 28 2023, 07:07 AM

Looking at board that I mounted the screen for the Arduino board I wasn't happy with, so I made a new one. And as with all my small projects it is much better than the first one.
I'm also doing a smoke generator.

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There ya go, another lousy picture. Sorry I'll do something about it later.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 28 2023, 07:14 AM

Another try.

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Better, I'm leaving the earlier one up.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 30 2023, 06:46 PM

So today I did the finishing on the mount for the Arduino board screen. It looks great and I got the speed control to have zero straight up and the other 2 switch's are for the Gurney Flap and the power to the screen. Just about ready for installation.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 2 2023, 05:19 PM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 3 2023, 08:40 PM

Tonight I have been working on the wiring behind the Arduino board screen which controls the fan motors and the Gurney Flap.

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This is a bunch of spaghetti and needs to be trimmed down to a manageable state. I think that before I am through here that all the connectors and most of the wiring will be changed. poke.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 5 2023, 06:08 AM

Well I'm about to start hanging wire all over the car. I like heat shrinking the wires because it covers all of the wire colors and that helps with making the car look less cluttered. My problem is that I wired the car for the street and it's probably not going to see much time on the streets. I was thinking that if I get serious about racing I can easily pull all the lights and switches out of the car.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 5 2023, 06:31 AM

Ahhh!!!

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So this is what I want to do for the easy removal of the wires and lights. I think that the weight of the the electrical components weight is about 20 pounds.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 5 2023, 06:40 AM

Ahhh!!!

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So this is what I want to do for the easy removal of the wires and lights. I think that the weight of the the electrical components is about 20 pounds. The magnets hold the small wires in place nicely. And if I need more holding power I just add more magnets.

Posted by: euro911 Feb 16 2023, 09:25 PM

Hey Joe ... check your message inbox type.gif

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 19 2023, 06:24 PM

Thanks Mark, good to hear from you.
I have the dash out and am stripping out the electrical components, lights, wiring and switches. I'm putting it all in a bag and I'll weigh it when I'm done.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 23 2023, 07:05 AM

I almost feel like a have been sinning. Working on the car and not writing. Got some good progress though. Much less clutter under the dash. I need to move tie down on the battery and make a few more connections in the dash (2 warning lights) and I can try start up. That always makes me smile.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 27 2023, 03:35 PM

Lots of progress but I still have a few circuits to remove. The dash is looking much cleaner. I broke one of the mirrors and have to replace it so that gives me the opportunity to add another mirror to the center of the dash.

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In the picture you can see that I mounted the LED screen. It still needs to be wired in. I probably have another day removing wires, I can't wait to see how much weight I am removing from the car.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 4 2023, 05:23 AM

I've got all this stuff going on with the dashboard and I'm sure you'll remember that I broke one of the mirrors. Well I ordered a new pair and decided to mount the unbroken one to the center of the dash. Which will require a pedestal mount as the dash is 3" lower than the firewall.

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In mounting the mirror I'll need to shim the cowling off the 914 cowling.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 6 2023, 05:46 AM

Picture from the driving position.

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I also have one from my the front of the car.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 6 2023, 05:50 AM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 10 2023, 02:50 AM

I'm rewiring the car, trying to make it easier to work on. Moving the boxes and new wires under the dash.

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At this time the car has 10 circuits.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 17 2023, 08:13 AM

Still working on the circuitry. Getting some progress and should be closing the dash soon. Expecting the hardware for the center mirror today but I wanted to see the mirror up.

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I like it but if I think it'll too tall I can shorten it later.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 19 2023, 10:05 AM

Mirror mounted. I shortened the stand and I like it.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 20 2023, 03:24 AM

Major progress on the electrical this evening. I'm really hoping for start up tomorrow. Got the starter signal and that put a smile on my face.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 27 2023, 03:57 AM

So I got start up last night. Been working on that for over a week. You see I have an event coming at me. In the next 2 or 3 days this thread is going to have reached 50,000 viewers and that audience deserves pictures. So I need to get the car running and move it to a more picturesque area than it's home in the trailer.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 29 2023, 05:29 AM

We went over 50,000 viewers yesterday, I am so jazzed. Today I am cleaning up the car and trailer so I can take the car to a nice place for the photo opportunity.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 7 2023, 08:11 AM

In the cleaning of the car I decided to do some paint touch up to cover some rust stains. Then I decided to repair the front trunk hood but my epoxy was all dead from age. So new epoxy arrived yesterday and now I can go forward with the repairs.

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Glass, sand repeat glass, sand repeat... It's shape and rigidity is returning.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 16 2023, 03:52 PM

Been busy doing a lot of little things on stuff that I got burnt out on or needed more tools. Tools for Riv nuts really make a difference in the finish and appearance of the scoops. I still have 6 Riv nuts and screws to install on the scoops. I'm thinking that I need more rivets on the bottom of the scoops. It's just the spacing that bothers me, need to tighten it up a little. So this will bring me back to the targa bar as far as finishing the construction repairs. All of this stuff is making her look much better.

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Still not pretty but looking much straighter.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 16 2023, 04:04 PM

Like I said, I still have a bunch of work to do under the car. I really can't get under the where she is. She needs things like an oil change and some fittings on the new coolers, wheel studs and other work that I can put off awhile. Currently she needs to have the plenums cleaned from the just completed work. When I do that I'll give the engine bay a washing also.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 18 2023, 04:47 PM

Finished cleaning up the engine bay, so tomorrow I can reassemble her. I still need to clean up the plenums and about 6 nut serts on the scoops. It nice to see her this clean but she still needs some help.

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Naked engine bay, I'll take another one after assembly.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 24 2023, 12:30 AM

So I screwed up big time, I was screwing around removing the plenums and just removing the plexiglass from the plenums is about 50 screws and washers. So when I take them off I put them in a ziploc bag and set them aside. That's where I really screwed I have no idea what I did with them. Been looking for 3 days now and I have been straightening up the hardware laying on the benches and in the shop.
I ordered 50 more button head screws because I like the smaller head on them. The plenums and the fan box have been cleaned. The installation is coming along nicely and the car looks really clean for a car in primer. Still gonna be a couple of days till I can take her out for pictures.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 24 2023, 11:58 AM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Apr 24 2023, 12:01 PM

Another one.

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She's not quite ready to leave the trailer yet as I still have some stuff to tidy up. I really want to take her to a local RV park and see if I can get the rust off of her brakes. She is not rolling very well.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 1 2023, 02:45 AM

So this isn't just me I am sure. Just because I do believe that I am not that unique of an individual. I keep raping myself for time. By this I mean that if I learned a new to me technique I may get inspired by this and want to go a hole new direction with some aspects of the car. The Supertraps led me to ideas that will give me a useable diffuser. Because of the work I did on the plenums and the fan box I have the insite to get the flat bottom completed.
Not happy with the seats in the the car I have received the inspiration to build Bomber Seats. I like them and I feel like they would be the perfect addition to the car.

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Do these oil cooler's make my butt look bigger?

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 2 2023, 08:40 AM

Plenums installed and the engine grill.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch May 11 2023, 06:00 PM

I've been interrupted by another project. A bomber seat for my office chair. I was always jealous of the guys posting of a hot race car office chair evan a nice 914 seat office chair. I got this bomber seat as a practice seat for what I want for the race car. I have seen a lot of videos on the bomber seat on U tube lately. Some thing nice for me and another unique item in the race car.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch May 12 2023, 01:51 AM

Seat is ready for rivets. This kit is from Speedway Motors and was $187 but I spent $300 before leaving.
I have about 6 hours in this so far. Cleaning up all the time edges of burs and holes of chips. Seat is now ready for rivets. Nice kit, I'm about ready to start to do 200 rivets.

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Like I said, this is not going in the car. The seat I want for the race car will take more time and effort. That seat kinda resembles an early Speedster seat.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 13 2023, 07:10 AM

I don't have the proper rivet punch for my rivet guns. Ordered them, should be here tomorrow. I have cleaned and grained the parts, everything looks really good and I wanted to see it with rivets so here it is.

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The rivets are just set in place so they fall out with the slightest movement. I ran the grain on each part differently, barely shows in the picture.

Posted by: Justinp71 May 15 2023, 04:39 PM


Lots of original designs here! Will be interesting to see the final product.

You going to do a head rest on the body? Did the 914-gt's even have a head rest?

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 15 2023, 06:00 PM

That's a good question, the seats they used did have a head rest but I don't remember the name of the seat. I had one in my -6, very comfortable, it's what it came to me with. I have a rectangle of foam attached to the top edge of the firewall on the passenger side. My passenger seat is from a sand rail. The new seats will be AWESOME.
Sorry I have no idea how to provide a link.
U-tube, Ron Covell bomber seat.
He is doing some pretty neat stuff.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 21 2023, 07:33 AM

Remember this chair will used for my comfort while posting here on the 914 board. So it is not totally 914 unrelated.

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Patterns for the 1/2" black foam padding.
This will be fine here under my but while posting. It did give me the insite to a much more appropriate seat for the race car. A seat that resembles a seat from an early Speedster.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 25 2023, 03:08 PM

Working on fitting the chair to a chair base. I have to think this one out as it can't be done with just one piece.

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Yep, 2 pieces, I need hardware and it's ready for padding. Hole saw supposed to arrive tomorrow. I want to see how the black padding cuts with the hot wire foam cutter. After I cut some holes I'll be able to test the foam for compatibility with the glue.

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 31 2023, 03:21 PM

Cutting the holes wasn't sure how to get it done. Decided to do it by hand. 19 holes left.

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Can't wait to get started on the next one.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 2 2023, 02:30 PM

Well I finally got the holes cut, I made a handheld 3" foam hole saw from a 3" hole saw. It cuts the hole in about 30 seconds. I just set it up in the pattern and twist it. Done.

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I have about 4 options for glue. I'll start testing the rubber for compatibility tomorrow.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 2 2023, 06:50 PM

I really like the seat, all the reflections from the dimples against the flat black of the padding. Kool seat, can't wait to do the next one.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 6 2023, 04:23 PM

OK, now a picture of the seat with all the padding glued in. Got the hardware ready to go. I'll be posting here tomorrow from that chair.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 7 2023, 09:33 AM

It's tomorrow and the chair is done. It looks really good. Now I can start on the layout for the new seats for the car. It looks much better than the Sparco, that seat is a monster. It got removed from the car because of it's size.

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I already have a drawing of the new seats, so all I have to do is go to work.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 10 2023, 06:52 AM

So the other day I was opening up the trailer to do some stuff to the car and opened the ramp door first and was amazed by what I saw. Excuse me but opening up the back door and seeing the car pushed all the way back gives a very nice display of her rear. I can think of no other way to say it. Bad ass. I don't mean to be beating on my own drum but whatthe. OK as a person I may be a little off center but I turn 75 in a few days and caring probably isn't going to happen.

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Nice chair with the perfect back drop. Better picture...

Posted by: stownsen914 Jun 11 2023, 06:00 PM

I like the seat, Joe. That's cool.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 12 2023, 01:51 AM

Thank you Scott, wait till you see the seats that I have planned for the car. They are going to pull on your hart strings.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 15 2023, 01:53 PM

Today I was working on new hood pin hold down plates and smoking 10 racks of Ribs.

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The plates are 2" x 2" and are hand grained. Doing more than 20, only gonna use 12.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 15 2023, 02:09 PM

Hold down pin plates. 2" x 2" so I cut them out of what ever scrape I can find. Made a little fixture for graining them cause I like checkered flags.

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If nothing else they are cute.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 17 2023, 10:38 AM

New plates almost done.

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I would like the hoods to more or less fall into place as they close (only in my dreams). So these will have a larger hole in them and that should be fine. Once their pinned down they aren't going anywhere, it's when you forget to clip them down that they learn flight.


Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 18 2023, 06:11 PM

And now holy.

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Going to have to do some repairs on the lids, have to plug the old screw holes.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 20 2023, 03:16 AM

Edges finished, ready to go on the car.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 26 2023, 01:48 PM

So I am in the middle of detailing the paint of the front hood. I know the hood is junk and needs replacement but I wanted to see if I could put a little V W back into her . That V W is about 23" in diameter.

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The hood is currently in black primer and is about to be sprayed white primer. I am hoping that I can change the color of the shade of the paint in the finish of the color. It is a V W after all.
I figured that if I tried to put a sticker on that it would probably pull up the fresh paint.
Now to paint it white and pull up the taype.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 27 2023, 02:04 AM

Oh shit, I found bomber seats for under $50. Bought 2, we'll see how this comes out. I also bought 2 sets of adjustable seat slides that I think I can modify and install the seats in the car for under $150. I have about $200 in the chair I made. That's cheaper than I can buy the material for. They are from Jegg's. On sale now.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jun 27 2023, 05:43 PM

Primer done, I haven't found the blue I want yet but I can do the layout for the stripes and arrow head. I want something as light as Sapphire and I don't think Dupilcolor makes it. I still need to do more research. My hope is that the VW shows up on the blue.

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Still a little early for handling so tomorrow I get to layout.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 17 2023, 03:08 PM

I didn't realize it but now it's pretty obvious to me that I am in paint.

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I have chosen Dupilcolor deep blue with orange stripes and arrow head. Doing the layout for the arrow head now.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 19 2023, 08:10 AM

I laid out the stripes and arrow head on the hood. It worked out well so I like it. Still some touch up to do in the white primer.

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You're going to have to look really close to see the layout lines as they are in pencil.
I'm probably going to take the ends of the arrow head above the hood pin plates
Did that and also narrowed the stripe as it comes to the arrow head an inch on each side. I think it looks better with the taper.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 19 2023, 03:31 PM

Yep, I like the changes. I saw cleavage in the top center and thought about breast but I couldn't figure out the nipples.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 19 2023, 03:32 PM

Bonkers likes it.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 8 2023, 02:26 AM

I'm back on the new seats. Building the fixture to make the bends with and getting the layout correct. The fixture, this should make a bend with a 4" radius.

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Fixture still needs a base and then to be assembled and tested.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 15 2023, 04:25 PM

59,000 ah man I can't keep up... I promised pictures at 50K , hope I can get them done before 60K . There is more happening here than in the hole rest of my life.
I'm almost ready to spray color on the frunk lid. Still working on the bomber seat fixture. Got all the parts now so all it needs is cutting and assembly.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 18 2023, 03:20 PM

The fixture is complete but my test piece needed more shaping after it was bent. I would like a little tighter radius.

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Probably take me a day to get the material out from where I stash the large flat materials (behind the roll-a-ways and a compressor). Everything on that wall is on wheels.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 18 2023, 03:27 PM

So I got the sheet of aluminum out and cut it to size. The layout is complete and it's just about ready for trimming

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In order to see the layout you need to make it much bigger. I need to trim it to fit the fixture.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 20 2023, 01:55 PM

So now I have the shape of a bomber seat. It appears to be too wide but I think that the fixture needs a smaller pipe. This is 4" but I would like to try a 3" pipe to see if it will reduce the physical appearance in size. I know it needs about 4.5" cut off the edges.

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Remember, this chair is going on the lawnmower. This is just for practice as I don't have material thick enough to for the race car.
So change out the pipe and rebend the seat.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 25 2023, 08:01 AM

Now something else is getting in the way. Cooking lunch, quote from a neighbor " Ready? Yum. "

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Earlier I was working on the lawnmower, finished assembling it and quit to take a break. But lunch is done.

Posted by: technicalninja Aug 26 2023, 06:44 PM

QUOTE(914 Ranch @ Aug 25 2023, 09:01 AM) *

Now something else is getting in the way. Cooking lunch, quote from a neighbor " Ready? Yum. "

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Earlier I was working on the lawnmower, finished assembling it and quit to take a break. But lunch is done.


What are those?
They look delicious chowtime.gif chowtime.gif

Now I'm drooling over my keyboard...

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 30 2023, 03:58 PM

I made pizza, I buy a medium pizza and then I put about 2 pounds of stuff on it. Maybe it's more like 3 pounds.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 1 2023, 01:01 PM

Getting ready to apply some color on some parts. We'll see how badly this goes.

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Looks like I'm not going to get any color on before the viewers hit 60K.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 2 2023, 11:00 AM

Now in full living colors.

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Still drying so don't want to move it yet. Really want to see it in the daylight.
I like it and it got color before this thread got to 60,000 viewers.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 5 2023, 03:26 PM

I'm sitting here in my living room watching the fresh paint on the front wing off gassing.

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Too wet to mess with, really risky bringing it on here. Riskier leaving it outside. It looks like rain.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 5 2023, 04:33 PM

My Golf colors...

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Can't wait to see it in the sunlight.

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Sep 5 2023, 04:37 PM

"Plays with Food" Chef Sharp pizza looking good ! my 10 minute garage pizza:
Dave's Killer Bread, 6-cheese (Kroger) marinara, roast beef & swiss + side of corn chowtime.gif
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Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 6 2023, 05:48 AM

Thank you Marty, replies from you always puts a smile on my face.

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I only posted this picture to edit it. Man did it need it. When I started the rework of the car I thought it needed about 15 pounds of more weight on the front end. Unknown to me the car had some camber left in the suspension but all of that is mute now that I'm doing a complete front suspension change. This could go on forever, probably what's keeping me alive like O'l Lady Winchester, but she died too.
That is the 15 pounds I was looking for. Plus about 60 pounds of down force if the wing works.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 6 2023, 06:44 AM

I've been doing more work on the lawnmower seat. I just finished cutting the material down to fit the modified fixture. The seat behind it is now being used by Diesel as his chair. That chair has very bad aerodynamics and weighs way too much. I call it an elefawntay.
Does anybody see a Speedster seat in that piece of aluminum?

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 16 2023, 01:01 AM

Rough shape of the "Speedster seat" going on the lawnmower. I like the proportion of it better than the previous bending of this piece of aluminum. It was way to big after trimming this seat will appear much more petite.

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I think the finished seats will weigh in at under 4 pounds. To me thats wonderful. Before when I raced the car with PCA South Coast Region I had been feeding them for 4 years. But they didn't remember eating lunch on me. As a matter of fact a guy in 912 that probably has more money in his 912 than most of the 911 owners. I guess if it wasn't a Porsche part he didn't want to pay for it.
The first time I raced the car at the end of the day I was 2/3's of the way through the pack.
They didn't like a purpose built Volkswagen on THEIR course. Some of the 911 owners got down right unfriendly.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 16 2023, 08:04 PM

I'm hoping you'll be able to see this. As it's all really only my imagination. I used an 8" radius for the 3 curves. I love it.

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Gosh, I have to make a pattern...
Excuse me, that's bitchen. To

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 17 2023, 09:28 AM

I think I can call this proof of concept. It's just the right size, fits me perfectly.

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I just finished filling the outer edges. I have to figure out how I want to put in the rivets and stand for the base.

Posted by: sixnotfour Sep 22 2023, 08:57 PM

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 24 2023, 04:35 PM

Yeah I like it too... Trying to work out the padding. I don't like trying to line up all the blocks with square corners. I think a radio and a little spacing would be easier to arrange and look cleaner.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 24 2023, 04:37 PM

I'm really looking forward to the padding because that's what makes it resemble the early Porsche race car seats. Currently I'm trying to find a way to round the corners as almost everything you touch to the rubber grabs it. Even my hot wire foam cutter does not treat it well. Causing waves and peaks that can't be sanded out.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Sep 28 2023, 11:15 AM

Coming along sorta. The pads are just taped in place. But I like the pattern and don't mind the corners.

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Does anyone else see a resemblance to an early Speedster seat?

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 13 2023, 01:16 PM

With everything except the trim and base mount, it's done. Next thing I need to do is make the pattern from this chair.

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This chair is for my Deere, Diesel distorted the one on it .

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 17 2023, 11:23 AM

I was unhappy with the action of the Gurney flap on the rear wing. It was stiff and a slight bind in one spot, that meant to me that it wasn't straight. Looking very close I found the spot that needed to be relieved. Fixed the spot and now the flap is a little slow but I believe that after a little use it will be fine. It looks so much better.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 17 2023, 11:29 AM

I was unhappy with the action of the Gurney flap on the rear wing. It was stiff and a slight bind in one spot, that meant to me that it wasn't straight. Looking very close I found the spot that needed to be relieved. Fixed the spot and now the flap is a little slow but I believe that after a little use it will be fine. It looks so much better.

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It's going to take me awhile to get everything repaired and reassembled so I'll post better pictures later.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Oct 27 2023, 05:34 AM

Today I finally made the pattern for the race car seats. I took an impression of the seat because I knew it wasn't symmetrical folded it in half and cut the pattern from the side I liked best.
Remember this is my imitation of a Speedsters seat. I had a lot of help from Ron Covell on Utube.

The pattern
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I picked a very poor paper so I need to get it glued down to sometime more substantial.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Nov 18 2023, 07:11 AM

This morning I am watching the launch and I received an epiphany regarding the diffuser. I have been worrying about the mounting for the front of it. The muffler is in the way of doing any mock up as I have a stock 911 muffler on there. Came with the motor. (T-40 and holding) I'm going to use the muffler bracket to mount the front of the diffuser. WOW! They blew up the booster as soon as the rocket was clear.

What a KOOL day.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 8 2023, 06:05 AM

I must apologize for my lack of progress here as I have been trying to recover from a back problem. I have been able to do some small stuff but I have not been able to get under the car so I have cleared a space on the patio and I can get the car jacked up there. She is overdue for an oil change and at the same time I can hook up the oil cooler lines. Pull the muffler and check out the path of the diffuser. The nice thing about having the Arduino board on board is the ability to use biometric sensors, I can put them anywhere. Having the sensors in the car will probably burst my bubble but it will be interesting
Thank all y'all
Trying to get back on track
Joe

Posted by: stownsen914 Dec 15 2023, 10:05 AM

Back problems suck, get better soon Joe

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 15 2023, 08:09 PM

Thanks Scott, I'm trying to not do anything that involves bending over. So not much progress on the car. Right now I need to get some fuel so I can bring her out of the trailer. One of her needs is an oil change, while I'm in there I'll start looking at what it's going to take to get the diffuser started. I've got a pretty good idea what's going to be needed and how to assemble it. New mufflers, straight megaphones with Supper Traps. Can't wait, need to get the car up on the stands.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 29 2023, 05:44 AM

I've been thinking about the diffuser so I stole some stuff off of a drawing that I have no idea who drew. But it gave me the information that I needed. I will get the actual dimensions when I get under the car.

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I'm surprised how well that came out.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Dec 29 2023, 06:03 AM

I needed a light box to make the drawing. I put a piece of plexiglass between the table and the desk and then added a light.

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It almost evolved into a 2' x 4' fluorescent ceiling style fixture but I managed to reel myself back in when I saw the piece of plexi. I hardly ever practice the KISS system

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 1 2024, 07:12 AM

Before I can cut any metal for the diffuser I need accurate measurements and to get them I have to get the car back up on the stands. I'm at the point where I can move the car to the patio. I've had her there before, so no big deal. Somehow things never go as I thought they would.

Posted by: stownsen914 Jan 6 2024, 07:18 AM

Joe - cool you're building a diffuser. Are you anticipating it being a functional one, or more of a bodywork thing?

I put one on the 914 racecar a few years ago, and went kinda whole hog about it. Lots of work.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jan 9 2024, 01:12 AM

Thanks Scott, I have been doing a lot of reading and studying on the tube. I believe that it will function better than the wing. I'm hoping to eliminate the wing at the same time reducing drag under the car. That's the only reason I am making the effort. So aluminum from front to rear. The most interesting thing that I found was from the Chaparral museum site on Jim Halls Indy car, most innovative it had the nicest under tray. I'm not ready to try to skirt the edges of the bottom yet. At this time I'm going use the long seam as my perimeter for now stopping at the engine bay. Won't know what I'm doing at the front of the car till I get there.
65,000 viewers WOW!!!!

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 17 2024, 02:33 PM

What the fuck Joe, get with the program. A thousand viewers between my post's. Well I'm doing stuff like trying to find some latches for the diffuser really the name of the company that makes them is Professional Awesome Racing. Neat latches, they also have some adjustable splitter support rods that are compressible. I have also been researching Duzs fasteners. I had used some on a dune buggy years ago but I needed to bring me up to date. Building the flat bottom isn't going to be easy as it will require a lot of reaching to get the fasteners in the center of the car. The flat bottom is about to get started and I have a handle on the diffuser.

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My approach is to anchor the spring to the bottom side of the raised sections of the floor.

Posted by: stownsen914 Feb 20 2024, 08:11 AM

Finally saw your response. So you are flat bottoming the car front to back? This is pretty much what you need to smooth out all the protrusions under there, otherwise the diffuser won't have a good stream of air to do its thing.

Agreed the underbody can do as much (or more) than a wing if done well.

I haven't worked on the 914 in a few years as I've been tied up with other projects, but I'd like to do some data acquisition to see what the aero is really doing. I got some ride height sensors that could be used to infer download. In my dreams I'd love to do CFD if/when it becomes more available to the masses.

If you're up for some more reading, consider Racecar Aerodynamics by Joseph Katz. I found it really helpful when I was planning my underbody aero.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 25 2024, 08:16 AM

Thanks again Scott, one more time you are making me think deeper than I thought was possible. I'll have a copy of Joe Katz book next week. I've been thinking about the under tray for weeks now and I'm surprised at some of the things I can see right in front of me. Both the GT4 and my '15 Chevy 2500HD have flaps in front of the rear tires. The skirts on Chaparral's Indy car came down the sides and turned in, in front of the rear tires.
In my dreams I would like to have the chassis raked to at least an inch at the firewall. Aft of that it looks pretty clean back to the collectors, which is the lowest part of the car. Still gathering materials but I'm always doing something to occupy myself and seek gratification somewhere. Currently doing some repairs on the rear wing.

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I'm repairing it because of the depth of adjustability. The rear wing has 4 positions, with the flap straight, in the middle and all the way up and the wing removed. Balancing the car should be fun.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Feb 29 2024, 07:24 AM

Repairs on the rear wing are completed, put in a new hinge and it works much better than the old one. Also reglued the frame (formers to the skin) trying to get some of the rigidity back. It's all good now. Still need to install and tune the servo for the Gurney flap. While doing all this I splashed some alcohol on the wing and when I went to wipe it up it took the paint down to the primer. So I'm done with duplicolor, I had a hard time getting colors from them. I was under the impression that duplicolor had all the necessary products to give me a complete paint job under one label. Now I'm looking at Eastwood.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 2 2024, 02:15 PM

Installed the servo for the Gurney flap with a new servo cover and linkage wire. The new hinge works great.

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Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 7 2024, 08:30 AM

The rear wing is back on the car it really looks good and I'm working so hard to make it obsolete. My heart tells me that it will look cleaner running without the wings.

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Posted by: stownsen914 Mar 14 2024, 07:42 PM

Joe - one of the things the Katz book emphasizes is how the wings help activate underbody aero. So they work together. Particularly a well placed rear wing. Similar to how a flap on a two stage wing operates.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Mar 24 2024, 12:18 PM

Once again Thanks Scott, I have to that I am sorry because I didn't get to order Katz's book because I spent too much money over at Professional Awesome for the brackets that want to use. These are trick. I was looking for them for about 10 months. They only had 3 latches so I bought them all.

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