https://apextrackcoach.com
Anyone test this thing out yet. Looks compelling.
As someone who needs a LOT of track driving help I think this would be awesome! If you get it keep us informed!
FYI, we sell them. They are a really good and simple way to get instant feedback on how to get better...or more accurately it shows you how far you are from the limits of the car. I’m really impressed with it. Plus it gives all kinds of data info for analysis.
https://naroescapemotorsports.com/product/apex-pro-track-coach/
Shane...you have a chance to try it out yet?
They're for green beginners...I just spent a weekend at the track and the drivers are trying to drive by them (and slowing up the field). Its a gadget, a crutch. If you think you need this gizmo please don't get on the track.
Tony
On second thought Bob-O...you might try fitting one in your car (it might help). But it doesn't perform miracles...
T
So...
I mounted it up and I never looked at the damn thing. I seen the lights going but was more concerned with braking points and hitting my marks. My dash looked like a defective xmas tree!!!
I liked the idea of its ability to "on track" coach, but i think I'm still a post data guy. My AiM is my favorite tool. I was able to drop times with its help. I borrowed the Apex Pro in the thought of replacing my Solo.
I think two things here.
A. Its a great tool for some intermediate HPDE guys.
B. OR maybe when i'm looking for the last 10th it could be useful when I become a better driver.
You know...maybe the younger generation that love those phones so much will adapt to it better. With all that has to happen before I get into the car I didn't want to add my phone to the mix.
BTW, I used it in a PCA Club race and by the end of the weekend picked up 4 seconds over my best times at the start of the event. Part from the Apex, part from the Aim, but certainly the data and feedback helped me.
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You picked up 4 seconds??
I need to give it another chance then.
Forgot to mention that I had an on track incident. After that happened i didn't want to mess with the thing.
Next time I'm testing the car at a Chin weekend i'll try it again.
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BTW, I used it in a PCA Club race and by the end of the weekend picked up 4 seconds over my best times at the start of the event. Part from the Apex, part from the Aim, but certainly the data and feedback helped me.
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You picked up 4 seconds??
I need to give it another chance then.
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Now...I won’t attribute the entire 4 seconds to the Apex Pro, but I will say me and the lights had a discussion every lap and the lights were usually right ...and I got faster..
I think it could be a big help for guys like me. Lots of autox experience, and about 10 track days, but the confidence is not there for me to be comfortable on the track going above say 70% especially with something that is 45 years old.
For someone like Tony who laughs at GT3 cup cars, confidence in his car isnt really the issue.
Not an accurate portrayal of my view of Cup Cars and the speed disparity. For the most part, an adequately driven Cup will be slower than the 914 - a well driven car will be too quick (and brakes)!
Fundamentally, I have a problem with a device that contradicts some of the key instructional elements of road racing/driving. A driver should have "head up/eyes up" looking into and through the apex. The faster the car...the further you focus your attention. This device, in real time through an apex is giving feedback that is then supposed to be interpreted by the "active driver" - and adjustments made.
Whether adjustments are being made instantly or the "next lap around" - a driver should not be analyzing data and countermeasures in this manner. For instance, Barber has 17 corners...imagine for just a second (I don't have since I saw first hand the crap it causes) drivers trying to make adjustments that many times around each lap. I don't like that.
What I saw, literally on track two-weeks ago while instructing were drivers trying to adjust their cornering speed in real time by the "lights". The result was they were tip-toeing through the corners creating trains in the process.
I do occasionally spin, typically in a slow-er corner - I did at Barber a couple weeks ago. In this case, it was a function of the tires not coming up quick enough along with too much speed into a hairpin. I believe a driver develops true "confidence" and feel through their ASS. Until you find the limit and lose it - you will always be well under the threshold.
Beyond just busting Bob's balls for the fun of it - I really do not believe this tool is healthy for driver development. Its just my opinion. I have seen the on-track results of these devices being implemented and believe they are a crutch for proper growth.
Tony
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