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Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Sep 20 2006, 05:51 PM

Who is planning on coming out to our road course AX at the stick.

Yes we have elevation changes and surface imperfections
But who cares....

Need to test out my rebuilt rear calipers....

It would be nice to see a big turn out of 914s since the "stick" is a very central location for most folks in the Bay Area.

Quite talking about driving your car and do it....

Who might be considering coming out to play?

Posted by: Randal Sep 20 2006, 06:36 PM

I'm towing the timing trailer and maybe bringing the 944 for Loren.

Posted by: trekkor Sep 20 2006, 07:16 PM

I'm "iffy"...


KT

Posted by: nine14cats Sep 20 2006, 08:08 PM

I'll be in New York and won't be able to make it.

Bill P.

Posted by: nebreitling Sep 20 2006, 08:12 PM

i'd come down and watch, but I'm planning on racing at thunderhill that day...

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Sep 20 2006, 09:03 PM

Wow, bummer guys....guess it is going to be up to me and "orange julius" to uphold the banner besides the smurfmobile.

Posted by: grantsfo Sep 20 2006, 10:34 PM

Birthdays, anniversaries, new tranny's will likely keep me away. However I may just show up.

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Sep 20 2006, 10:43 PM

Posted by: Rotten Robby Sep 21 2006, 12:00 AM

My heart is in it but I work until 10pm the night before and I would have to get up at 0 dark thirty to get there... I could happen. We will see.

Posted by: Steve_7x Sep 21 2006, 10:25 AM

Dan... I have conflicts and will not be there. Hope to see you at the Zone event late in October...

Steve

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Sep 26 2006, 10:17 PM

Posted by: Rotten Robby Sep 27 2006, 09:35 AM

Ok... Now I may have to come down. I won a car show last weekend with the Submarine and I think I need to autocross just so I can get that yucky taste out of my mouth... And just so the car doesn't start thinking it is a show car... Tentatively in...

Posted by: grantsfo Sep 27 2006, 10:30 AM

Anyone know what the course is going to look like? If I show it will be in the big black sedan. No point in showing if its going to be a tight 914 course.

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Sep 27 2006, 05:57 PM

Grant and others. The course is now posted on the GGR website. www.pca-ggr.org


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Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Sep 27 2006, 07:58 PM

Nice...the right side looks like 2 Easter Island heads on top of each other.
There is a 0-25% chance I will be there. What time does registration start/end? Are loaner helmets available (size M)?

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Sep 27 2006, 08:49 PM

Registration is ~7:30-8:30am loaner helmets available....
Instruction always available...

Posted by: grantsfo Sep 27 2006, 09:24 PM

I cant tell if thats going to favor cars with power or not? What do you think?

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Sep 27 2006, 09:29 PM

I think it has a little of both (911/914)

But I think HP may have the upper hand since a lot of the straights are preceded by low speed turns.... HP and torque will be an advantage...but as always...
what we see on the map may not be what we end up with.
Look at our last course at Alamada. Appeared to be a HP course unti we set it up and slowed it down in a couple of places by order of the Chair of the event.

I am going to be helping with setup again...so I will put in my two cents worth for any advantage I think might help my little putput...

Posted by: nine14cats Sep 27 2006, 11:19 PM

Great...now that Fritz has been forced into retirement with a AX career ending injury....we get a HP course....

I'll be back...........

Bill P.

Posted by: Randal Sep 27 2006, 11:34 PM

Road race.

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Sep 28 2006, 06:09 PM

I think your assessment may be very close Randal

Are you going to show with the 944?

Posted by: Randal Sep 28 2006, 07:58 PM

The 944 timing is up to my son, i.e., wanting this to be a joint thing, not just old Dad taking off and racing the car.

Although looking at that course my judgment is waning.

Posted by: grantsfo Sep 28 2006, 08:59 PM

Can I take 3 instructors to help me out? LOL! I'm going to see if I can sneak away in the Mazda Speed 6. Was supposed to have after bitrthday brunch with my mother in law, but I'm taking her out on her birthday the night before.

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Sep 28 2006, 09:06 PM

4 in a sedan has been done before

Posted by: Chris Hamilton Sep 29 2006, 09:19 PM

We'll be there tomorrow.

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Sep 29 2006, 09:46 PM

I would have been surprised if you weren't there

I'll be there bright (foggy) well at least early....for set up.

Posted by: Rotten Robby Sep 30 2006, 01:19 AM

Sorry Dan,

I got an offer to have my silver car used for a paintless dent repair demo... It only has two small dents and they are going to go bye bye...

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Sep 30 2006, 09:54 PM

was a good day at the Stick...
course was much more busy and tight than it appeared on the map....per usual

Only 3 914s out of about 80+ cars. Myself, AndrewB in the Smurfmobile and BillD in his '73 914.

Andrew did a 49 and change
I was at a 55.8 and left after 6 total runs....my competition in AX11 a 964 (running 9.5 and 8 inch rims, a chip and aftermarket exhaust), and a 944S2 were not up to my times. Actually I had them covered by my 3rd run in the AM but stuck around to see how they did in their PM runs. Had both covered by about 2 or more seconds. And no, I have no idea how a basically stock 914 2.0L ends up in the same class as a very stout 964. But then again I am not the one on the short end of the results stick
If I were him I would be checking my car to see if there was anything to protest...there isn't.

Posted by: trekkor Sep 30 2006, 10:59 PM

Gotta love that.


KT

Posted by: grantsfo Sep 30 2006, 11:16 PM

Clearly youre not aware of the special handling dust that sits in all 914's making them far superior to 964's. Great job! Sorry I missed running today I couldnt get out of family obligations.

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Sep 30 2006, 11:29 PM

thanks Trek and Grant...

I thought that was just regular old dust

Maybe there is something to that dust afterall.

Posted by: Randal Oct 1 2006, 12:46 PM

Well it ended up being a very tight and busy course, even though it was laid out over a huge huge area.

A real negative was that all the course workers were first timers, excluding Dan and myself.

What is happening as the course gets laid out is that people in the club's "upper echelons" walking the course make comments and or changes at will.

If you look at Paul's design there were straights everywhere between fairly open corners, so with the right line speed could be retained.

The final layout ended up being very distinctive corners with very little straights anywhere, so the course designers desire to have a course that flowed ended up being exactly the opposite.

As usual experience in laying out (physically) a course makes all the difference. If Hank Watts is in the truck cab telling you where to go, while people in the back are throwing out cones, the course always seems to flow and miss all the terrible spots at Candlestick.

Next time I design a course I'm making sure no changes are made in the layout unless it is discussed in advance.

Posted by: J P Stein Oct 1 2006, 02:16 PM

Well no shit........I'm glad (in a perverse way) that I'm not the only one that fights that battle monthly.

I like a smooth (free of lumps smooth) and flowing course with safety being foremost regardless of length or time to negociate. Many folks can't "see" ground and don't understand why an area is avoided. We also keep the course workers in mind with regard to keeping cones to a minimum and thus keeping things moving along with minimal cone shagging. This also allows the drivers to freelance a bit.

That said, there are a "few" discussions amongst "the crew" during set up and we are open to suggestions from others.....maybe 20-30% of which are implemented.....many are responded to with "If you want input, get your ass out here and help with the grunt work".
We have from 7 till 9ish to get set up.....no time to fuck around.....tempers have been know to flare, feelings get hurt...yada. Cones being moved without the consent of "the crew" will get ya a non-PC tongue lashing. Someone has to be in charge & play hard ass on occasion.....no joy from me here, in fact, I've just about had my fill of it.

I actually like AXing with the SCCA crowd better. Show up early, help if asked, drive, and go home. There's even a bit of time to swap lies.

Posted by: Randal Oct 1 2006, 05:31 PM

"Someone has to be in charge & play hard ass on occasion" How right that is.

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Oct 1 2006, 08:00 PM

Randal, I agree with your sentiment. Although Candlestick presents other challenges with terrain and such.

Too much of everyone wanting to be a nice guy to keep newbies coming back. Meanwhile, courses are being constantly changed by folks that were not part of the set up crew. It seems to happen at every event. Other than safety aspects we should respect the designer's vision.

Problem with that is that we have folks that are designing courses with little experience and even less knowledge of our rules with respect to dimensions and safety.

On yesterdays course, there were several of the corners on the back side that were less than 18' after Paul had set it up..

That is a problem....

Posted by: grantsfo Oct 1 2006, 08:52 PM

I have to say I really haven't been to many GGR events where the course didn't have that "coney" unintuitive feel. It always feels like somone has setup the course up to trick drivers.

Posted by: trekkor Oct 1 2006, 11:12 PM

I can't stand that.

That last course Randal did was amazing and flowed very well.
We should run sucessful courses more than once.


KT

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Oct 1 2006, 11:51 PM

Yesterdays course was not that bad. The candlestick surface was more agrivating than the course. Yes it was busy but certainly not "tricky".
between the bumps and the lack of traction (yes traction problems even with a tired 2.0L) the surface was more of a challenge than the course. It pretty much turned the same way most of the time on the left side and the right side was mostly a series of left right flicks at least for my 914.

Posted by: Rotten Robby Oct 2 2006, 10:19 AM

Lets remember culture and perspective Dan, what doesn't feel tricky to you might be a maze to about 75% of the people there. You are experienced and an instructor. A couple of us SVR autocrossers were having pizza one evening and we almost organized a black ops mission to steal half of GGR's cones and sink them in the Bay! I know now that I have begun using my new to me six that what feels wide open in the four can feel claustraphobic in the six. You use a lot more course and instead of a momentum car you have a power and momentum car.

It would be so cool to go to an event at Alameda with that table flat surface and have a course that was fast and flowing with a two lap run to get the tires hot.

As for your discussion about people changing the course that is terrible! Only a safety steward should overrule the course designer and eventmaster. EVER!

Posted by: grantsfo Oct 2 2006, 11:09 AM

LOL! Where do I sign up for covert ops? "Busy" = lots of useless cones used to confuse people.

On a seperate and more serious note did you see that Alan Jung in a stock Cayman S placed 2nd. WOW! Was his car really stock with street tires?

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Oct 2 2006, 11:50 AM

Yes, street tires and factory suspension PASM I am sure
Alan was in my Boxster instructional group at the Zone AX. He has been AXing a Honda Civic in SCCA for years. Just got the Lizard this year and is quite a good driver as you can see.
This is what I have been maintaning for some time now....that a well driven Boxster or Cayman could be a TTOD contender.

The results appear to have the usual suspects in the top 20.

Posted by: Rotten Robby Oct 2 2006, 03:01 PM

We had a guy in a stock CaymanS show up early this year for his first autocross and do quite well... A very good chassis I think...

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Oct 2 2006, 05:25 PM

Just went over the points totals for season end trophies. At the next AX I can finish 5th or higher and win the season for my Class AX 11.
Since I have not placed lower than first so far this season it looks like I should have it in the bag failing any car issues at the last event.
Last event of the season might not be heavily attended since most of the classes have already been decided.
I need to be there since I only have 4 events for the seaon and you need to have results in a minimum of 5 of the total of 9 events. Got the street Michelins ready on my Empi looks in case we have wet weather for #9.

Lets see if we can get a bunch of 914s out for the last GGR event of 2006.

Posted by: nine14cats Oct 2 2006, 05:30 PM

For the last event of 2006 Randal and I will be out there mid-engined...but I can't say it will be a 914....

Bill P.

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Oct 2 2006, 05:34 PM

Hey Bill,
I am anxious to see your Boxster. Do you want to try out that gutted muffler?
If so let me know when I can meet you over at Sportech to get it and try it out....
Are you going to have sticky tires on it for the last event? I see that Ken J is selling his 17s with Kumhos on them for a very good price.

Posted by: grantsfo Oct 2 2006, 05:52 PM

Bill, Make sure to put some bigger tires on the front end of that thing. Boxster's push like pigs with stock front tire size in most AX venues.

Posted by: nine14cats Oct 2 2006, 06:12 PM

If I have time to get the following on the car:

245/45/17's up front...275/40/17's rear...
Tarrett Front and Rear Adjustable swaybars...
Tarrett Adjustable toe links rear...
GT3 Adjustable Lower Control Arms...
PSS9's...
3.0+ degrees of negative camber...
Slammed...

I think she'll turn....

Wait till you see the custom TonyC cage going in....
And all the gutting of the interior that will happen over the winter...
And...and...and...and...

Barrick - Pickering Racing......we be insane!

Posted by: nine14cats Oct 2 2006, 06:17 PM

Hi Dan,

Yes, I'd like to set up time to get the gutted muffler to try out. And I'll have Victoracers on the car for initial suspension sorting. I want as long a wearing Dot-R as I can get during the initial sorting out.

We're hoping to trot out the car for the AX and then test out the car on the track at Sears on November 12th. We will most likely then take the car down for the winter and install the cage, seats and other items.

Thanks,

Bill P.

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Oct 2 2006, 06:32 PM

Just let me know....if I can't get there at the same time as you, I can always give Mark a call and let him know you are coming to get it for a test spin.

Are you going to try to get all that suspension stuff done by the end of Oct for GGR #9?

If you are going to be doing most of the install, let me know since I have done a bit of wrench turning on mine a couple of friends Boxsters.

You will want to get either a B&M or a Schnell shifter along with those other goodies.

Are those the tires and wheels you got from BillD?

Is there enough tread on those tires for any AXing or are you going to get some new tires. Right now Tirerack has very limited supplies of Kumho Victoracers. I guess it is the end of the season shortage.

If you are planning on getting 245 and 275s on there you will be using some custom aftermarket wheels?

this is going to be way cool

Instructor nametag and helmet ready for duty

Posted by: Rotten Robby Oct 2 2006, 06:42 PM

I used to refer to mine as a late model 914...

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Oct 2 2006, 07:34 PM

I have one of those Rob. I refer to mine as the great grandson of the 914

Posted by: trekkor Oct 2 2006, 10:13 PM

When did all this happen? ( Bill )


KT

Posted by: nine14cats Oct 2 2006, 10:16 PM

I'll call you later this week and see what looks good for getting together and picking up the exhaust. I haven't picked up a short shift kit, but I plan on that along with the offset kit that moves the shift tower closer to the driver's seat.

The rims are from BillD but the Victoracers are new from the Tire Rack. I must have got one of the few sets left. They were in their Indiana warehouse. Heat cycled and shaved. For AX next year we will be using the V710's. Once the suspension is sorted I will decide between the Victoracers and the Hoosier R6's. Back to tire testing again.

Several folks in POC have been testing the 245/275 combo on the stock wheels. Spec Boxster rules state the use of stock wheels or wheels with the same minimum weight and dimensions. In any case, they are reporting that lap times are superior pinching the bigger rubber onto the smaller rims than just running a 225/255 combo. AX may be different, but we'll test with Victoracers until we settle on a combo for AX. Track will definitely be 245/275.

I just hope we can get it ready for the AX. It's going to be tight. I do know that the suspension bits and the tires are currently in trucks and to be delivered by the end of this week.

Bill P.

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Oct 2 2006, 10:21 PM

Trek,
He got it about 2 weeks ago now. He is planning on making a SPEC Boxster or some such itteration.

He and I have been talking on the phone about this for about 3+ hours over the last month or so. Actually he was going to buy a spec Boxster last year before he bought Fritz.

I am going to help him as much as I can since I do have some Boxster experience.

This should be a fun project.

A completely setup, gutted Boxster should be a very formidable AX/track car.
I have been contemplating just such a project for about 2 years. So I can give Bill some good input, plus my AXing/tracking of my Boxster over the last 4 years.

Posted by: trekkor Oct 2 2006, 10:36 PM

Pretty wild...

Bill you NEED to try those 710's on the big track, too.

Now we need the pics.


KT

Posted by: grantsfo Oct 2 2006, 10:45 PM

If its a spec Boxster it will be limited in its capability to be an AX force.

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Oct 2 2006, 10:50 PM

Well after what we saw a 3K pound Cayman on street tires at the last event. A gutted well setup and driven Boxster should be right there...

We will see next season I guess

Posted by: grantsfo Oct 2 2006, 11:09 PM

Yeah but there werent really any zoomie cars there now that I look at results. Guess a well setup Boxster could take second place when no one shows up. That Cayman S was still 4 seconds off of Andrew. If its going to be a spec Boxster I still think it will have a tough time in AX against the super zoomies, no doubt it will be a contender, but will likely be placing close behind Andrew and a couple other fast cars. I think you would really need to tear into the Boxster to make it an AX winner - far beyond spec Boxster mods.

Although spending 4 years behind the wheel of a Boxster I agree they have potenital!

Posted by: nine14cats Oct 2 2006, 11:57 PM

This car will be anything but a "Spec Boxster"....more like a wolf in Spec Boxster clothing....and we will be pushing the limits of what is "bolt on" and "bolt off". Remember, the Spec Boxster series is limited by a sound set of rules to keep initial build costs down. As most of the Spec Series will be POC driven for the next few years, it will be mostly SoCal centric. I will have no such limitations up here in NorCal where I can do whatever I please within the spirit of our wonderful points system in GGR, the American Racing Club (NCRC) or PRC. With some headers, chips, intake bolt on mods...we can get the motor to 230 HP easily. And with Scott Yeamans wonderful crew at Yeaman Autobody....well f/g lids are just the beginning...it only takes money. With a little imagination, you could see being able to configure the car easily to different groups or points. Wanna save 70 pounds...bolt on f/g doors and lids. Want to save hundreds...do the aforementioned and bolt on f/g fenders and quarter panels.

We'll see where the migration takes us over the coming few years....in fact, since the pre-2000's aren't e-gas, a '99 996 3.4 isn't nearly the bear of a swap as the newer models.

But after taking the Boxster out in stock form and flogging it in the Santa Cruz hills and a few parking lots in my area, I'm convinced after mods the car is a consistent top 10 car at AX's and hopefully top 5 eventually. It may take a while to sort, but I think we can get it there.

As far as taking TTOD, a heavily modified zoomie will always take that. But my teammate Randal Barrick will give Andrew B a good run at it next year with his monster Raby 914. Wait till you see that car..... And don't forget Sir Andy and his 3.6. Or the Beast....

Besides the weight, the Boxster's biggest weakness is that in stock form, it understeers like a pig (which a street car should do). Once you see Ira's swaybars, you will understand just how much more capable the Boxster platform will be. And we will not be constrained by the PSS9 spring rates. We've already talked with H&R about higher spring rates that work with the PSS9's. They are currently supplying the PSS9 springs to Bilstein. Stock Boxster rates are relativel soft as it is a street car. The PSS9's raise the rates considerably to 260lbs fronts and 370lbs rears (approx). H&R will be supplying us with some test springs at 450/500lbs rates for the track. That should flatten out the Boxster pretty well, even at an AX!

Aftermarket pieces were few and far between on the Boxster platform. But that is changing quickly. Now you can pick up the bits and pieces needed to transform the car for the same prices as 911's or even a few 914 bits. Early stages right now, but it has begun.

It will be a battle of pure lightweight older technology versus newer technology. This should be interesting.

Dan, Randal and I have always thought a Boxster with the right mods and capable drivers would do well in AX and on the track. We will be testing that theory.

I can't wait. Wetting the appetite will happen at Sears on November 12th. We won't have time to gut the car entirely or put in the cage. But the suspension should be in. It will be a get to know the car session. Then shortly thereafter TonyC gets the car and things start to change.

Lots of fun. And the donor car we picked up is beautiful. I'll post pics of it it later.

I've tracked a 914-6 and a 911, both heavily modded. And now I'll get to play with a Boxster. I'm pretty lucky, so it's all good.

Bill P.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Oct 3 2006, 12:10 AM

Your 2.5 car will be a top 10 AutoX car. Promise.

If "I" can put a 2.5 car into the top 10 here in SD AutoX where we get over 100 cars per event.. then Bill/Randal can do it up there.

The car I run weighs 2850 with a 200lb driver (me) this is with gutted doors and only a fiberglass GT3 nose. The rest of the car is steel.

B

Posted by: grantsfo Oct 3 2006, 06:58 AM

This is great! Heavily modified and lightened Boxsters are on tracks around the world and very fast so you must know this car will fly. Heavily modded the Boxster will definitely be a TTOD contender. I think you will be suprized at all the things you can do with the Boxster. There are carbon fiber body parts, big sway bars, springs, coilovers, exhausts. I see your already on the Boxster Racing Forum so thats a good start. Trickiest thing will be getting more power from the 2.5. I have always wondered why so few people have taken this platform on in Nor Cal. My 2.7 was a blast and it was purely stock with some fat Falkens. In addition to being a very competent platform they are easy to drive too!

Curious what are you doing to get 230 HP from a 2.5?


Have you seen this one? Foto link has some build pics etc.

http://www.porsche-racing.at/index.php

Another nice one:

Posted by: Brad Roberts Oct 3 2006, 10:25 AM

The car is stupid easy to assemble. Everything from the B pillars forward can have 99-04 GT3 Cup/RSR parts bolted to it.

Grant,

The shops are afraid of the engines. Plain and simple. The day the car was released I asked ALL the Bay Area shops about "engine development" none of them wanted to get involved. They all said the engine was junk.. COOL I said. I never thought I would see piece of shit Honda's/Nissan's/Toyota's running 7 second quarters either.. LOL

I started pulling engines apart 2 years ago now. I have two different engines being developed right now. L&N engineering is helping with larger bores and pistons. Pauter machine is working with me on rods.. and Web Cam has several cams from us. Scat has been contacted about making cranks for the blocks..

I will have a "race" new water cooled Porsche engine very soon. Take a 2.5 engine and cut the case for 100mm X51 size pistons. Now you have a short stroke big bore high rev'er. All the larger heads bolt on. I can bolt on X51 3.8 heads (if I had them) NO porting or larger valves needed. I learned all this from the air cooled guys way back.

The engines are not going away and the first person with a REAL race engine based on this new block design will have *something* (it could just be another headache..LOL)


B

Posted by: grantsfo Oct 3 2006, 11:07 AM

The lack of shop support was what kept me from going the Boxster race car route. I got the same feedback that the engine was junk and that I'd be better off with a 911 or a 914-6. When I coupled the higher price of entry and lack of support for the Boxster platform I gave up and went with my 914.

I'm not willing to blaze trails with the Boxster, but I'm certainly willing to follow people who spend all the money and learn from their mistakes. My racing budget of $10K to $15K a year just cant take being a Boxster pioneer.

Figure I can sell my 914-6 for about $10K in a year and jump into a $15K Boxster so I'm keeping my eye on developments.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Oct 3 2006, 11:40 AM

I beleive you. I stayed away also. Once I started running part number matches with the 99 996GT3 cup car.. I knew they would be good platforms to start with. I like it when you can build a race car based on proven factory components.

The entry price is still higher than 914's (duh.. the oldest Boxster is coming up on 10yo) but the used engine/transmission pricing makes it a NO brainer. The 2.5 car is the 1.7 of the 914's. NOBODY will use those engines to DO anything with them. This will make all the used ones CHEAP (just like a throw away 1.7 4cyl) The early 2.5 tranny will be the tailshifter of the 914's. I hate the fact that it will run you 10k+ to rebuild a ANY of the 6cyl air cooled engines. This keeps me from playing in that area. The later engines are less than 10k NEW from Porsche. I think a new 2.5 engine is right around $5500 with the PCA discount and your core. We paid 15k for 385hp X51 engine outright with no core!!

If I had been around.. I would have liked to see a 1.7 914 spec class!!

Porsche isnt hard to figure out. Look at the past to determine the future.


B

Posted by: trekkor Oct 3 2006, 02:45 PM

Sounds exciting...Something to look forward to.


KT

Posted by: Brad Roberts Oct 3 2006, 02:54 PM

The best part:

They are still making Boxsters.. and the platform has just been extended with the Cayman. They share 90% of their parts. We will have Boxster/Cayman parts coming out of the woodwork over the next 10 years. Used unmolested engines will be cheap. Conversions will be even more popular than they are now. 15 years ago 9146 conversions were very few and far between.

Just remember where you heard it..LOL


B

Posted by: trekkor Oct 3 2006, 03:04 PM

"The Boxsters are coming"...


KT

Posted by: Brad Roberts Oct 3 2006, 03:08 PM

Oh.. yeah.. that is what?? 2 years old now?

I'll always love the 914's. I'll always be involved, but from a racing/money perspective.. I can get sponsorship for a Boxster and I cant for a 914. People like the Boxster. People tend to shy away from the 914's.



B

Posted by: Randal Oct 3 2006, 04:55 PM

Anyone that has run or taughts students in Boxsters knows they handle. If you've had students running Caymans then you know they handle better.

The reason seems to be the stiffer chassis provided by a roof.

I can't wait to see how Bill car handles with a full cage and the right suspension components all working as they should in a stiff chassis.

Last weekend a SCCA guy showed up in a Cayman - he wasn't even running slicks and he still kicked butt.

Fun!

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Oct 3 2006, 05:13 PM

I vote for this


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Posted by: trekkor Oct 3 2006, 06:33 PM

mid-engines racing


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Posted by: grantsfo Oct 3 2006, 06:48 PM

OK I know I'm going to find a way to relate this to GGR AX somehow. Bet this car would have had a chance to be TTOD. 2500 lbs Boxster with a 3.6 liter









Specs:


Weight 1150 kg
Wheelbase 2415 mm
Track (F/R) 1465 mm / 1530 mm
Transmission Hewland 6-speed sequential
Clutch Metal twin plate (AP)
F: Double Wishbone push rod
R: Double Wishbone push rod
F: Brake Ventilated disk 6pod (Endless)
R: Ventilated disk 4pod (Endless)
Tire
F:280/710-R18
R: 280/710-R18

Wheel
American Racing
10.5J × 18
10.5J × 18

Engine Specifications
Engine Model M96/77
Engine Type Horizontally Opposed 6-cylinder, NA
Displacement 3598 cc
Bore × Stroke 100.0 mm × 76.4 mm
Air Restrictor 29.9 mm × 2
Maximum Power 350 ps over / 8000 rpm
Maximum Torque 32 kg-m over / 7000 rpm
Engine Tuner MID WEST RACING

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Oct 3 2006, 06:50 PM

It's all good Grant....it is my thread

I likey the blue one