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Posted by: grantsfo Nov 6 2006, 06:23 PM

I'll be there driving something a little different.

Posted by: trekkor Nov 6 2006, 08:23 PM

I'll be there driving the same old thing


KT

Posted by: nebreitling Nov 6 2006, 08:25 PM

uhh, you gonna let us in on the secret, grant?

Posted by: grantsfo Nov 6 2006, 09:43 PM

QUOTE(nebreitling @ Nov 6 2006, 06:25 PM)

Posted by: nebreitling Nov 6 2006, 10:06 PM

awesome! are you renting? who from?

i've been considering renting just to get some varied seat time.

Posted by: grantsfo Nov 6 2006, 10:28 PM

QUOTE(nebreitling @ Nov 6 2006, 08:06 PM)

Posted by: Rotten Robby Nov 7 2006, 10:30 AM

Me and the bee!

Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Nov 7 2006, 11:53 AM

Pray for sunshine!
My 914 is hydrophobic, coaxing it from the garage in the rain is not an easy task.

EDIT: Just got email + link from Matt Deter
http://svr-autocross.deter.com/nov/

Posted by: nine14cats Nov 7 2006, 12:22 PM

I'll be there driving Lucille...unless it's raining...then I'll be eating something watching guys spin off the track....

Bill P.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Nov 7 2006, 01:29 PM

Um.. you'll be driving!! no better time to learn than in the rain. They dont stop races because of rain. You need to learn to drive in it. I hope for rain at events! Mid engine cars do VERY well in the rain.


B

Posted by: trekkor Nov 9 2006, 12:32 AM

Looks to be dry


KT

Posted by: McMark Nov 9 2006, 01:02 AM

I'm gonna try to stop in and check it out. Maybe cut a few wires from Bills car.....



Relax, speaker wires and window motor wires.

I WILL be there if Brad is driving the truck so I can get his wheels out of my yard.

Posted by: nine14cats Nov 9 2006, 01:27 AM

QUOTE(McMark @ Nov 8 2006, 11:02 PM)

I'm gonna try to stop in and check it out. Maybe cut a few wires from Bills car.....



Relax, speaker wires and window motor wires.

I WILL be there if Brad is driving the truck so I can get his wheels out of my yard.

Posted by: trekkor Nov 9 2006, 01:32 AM

Is Randal coming up to support?

I hope so.

Also, arrive early. Limited space due to the a/x going on in the back paddock.


KT

Posted by: nine14cats Nov 9 2006, 05:24 AM

QUOTE(trekkor @ Nov 8 2006, 11:32 PM)

Posted by: Randal Nov 9 2006, 11:24 AM

QUOTE(nine14cats @ Nov 9 2006, 03:24 AM)

QUOTE(trekkor @ Nov 8 2006, 11:32 PM)

Is Randal coming up to support?

I hope so.

Also, arrive early. Limited space due to the a/x going on in the back paddock.


KT

Thanks for the advice Trekkor. I'll get there early.

Bill P.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Nov 9 2006, 12:35 PM

I'm confirmed.

Please let me know if you need help with anything Saturday after 3pm or so (Bill)

Mark,

can you get the tires off the rims? I can take them in the Civic that way. I'll pay for the removal.



B

Posted by: nine14cats Nov 9 2006, 10:34 PM

QUOTE(Randal @ Nov 9 2006, 09:24 AM)

QUOTE(nine14cats @ Nov 9 2006, 03:24 AM)

QUOTE(trekkor @ Nov 8 2006, 11:32 PM)

Is Randal coming up to support?

I hope so.

Also, arrive early. Limited space due to the a/x going on in the back paddock.


KT

Thanks for the advice Trekkor. I'll get there early.

Bill P.

Want a passenger/support person to tag along?

Posted by: Randal Nov 9 2006, 10:51 PM

QUOTE(nine14cats @ Nov 9 2006, 08:34 PM)

QUOTE(Randal @ Nov 9 2006, 09:24 AM)

QUOTE(nine14cats @ Nov 9 2006, 03:24 AM)

QUOTE(trekkor @ Nov 8 2006, 11:32 PM)

Is Randal coming up to support?

I hope so.

Also, arrive early. Limited space due to the a/x going on in the back paddock.


KT

Thanks for the advice Trekkor. I'll get there early.

Bill P.

Want a passenger/support person to tag along?

Hi Randal,

It would be great if you could come along. We can ride together all day if you like and you can help me with setups.

Bill P.

Posted by: trekkor Nov 9 2006, 11:01 PM

It's going to be a great day.

...and I finally got a lap timer.


KT

Posted by: grantsfo Nov 10 2006, 12:30 AM

I have to be there by 6:30 AM . I'm not a morning person. But to get a chance to drive an unrestricted NASCAR I'll suck it up. See y'all out there. I tried getting registered last minute with the Mazdaspeed, but doesnt look like I'm going to have a chance.

Then I'll be discussing details of my off season 914 refresh with Gary D.

Posted by: trekkor Nov 10 2006, 08:50 PM

Looks like we dodged the bullet with the weather, huh?


KT

Posted by: nine14cats Nov 11 2006, 11:06 AM

QUOTE(trekkor @ Nov 10 2006, 06:50 PM)

Posted by: nine14cats Nov 11 2006, 11:09 AM

Trekkor,

What time are you getting there tomorrow morning? I'm leaving my house at 4:45am and picking up Randal on the way.

Bill P.

Posted by: nebreitling Nov 11 2006, 12:07 PM

hey bill -- where did you find that webcam of the drag strip?

that's handy -- i was just debating whether or not to take the kart up

Posted by: nine14cats Nov 11 2006, 12:12 PM

QUOTE(nebreitling @ Nov 11 2006, 10:07 AM)

Posted by: Randal Nov 11 2006, 01:30 PM

QUOTE(nine14cats @ Nov 11 2006, 10:12 AM)

QUOTE(nebreitling @ Nov 11 2006, 10:07 AM)

hey bill -- where did you find that webcam of the drag strip?

that's handy -- i was just debating whether or not to take the kart up

Hi Nathan,

I've got this website bookmarked. I just open it up to see what it looks like!

http://www.infineonraceway.com/multimedia/raceway%5Fwebcams/

Bill P.

Posted by: Randal Nov 11 2006, 01:31 PM

QUOTE(nine14cats @ Nov 11 2006, 09:09 AM)

Posted by: nebreitling Nov 11 2006, 01:38 PM

so i'll probably be running at the kart track tomorrow -- i'll be sure to come down and say hi.

n

Posted by: trekkor Nov 11 2006, 01:43 PM

I'll be at the gate at 6:00

At least I can can leave home at 5:45 to make that happen.


KT

Posted by: nine14cats Nov 11 2006, 08:18 PM

All loaded and ready to go...kinda....

I had to inventory my 914 parts as I'm getting ready to sell a bunch of stuff. Then I worked on Lucille.

1. Bled brakes
2. Mounted fire extinguisher
3. Routed GPS antennae and Traqmate wiring
4. Adjusted swaybars for the track.

I didn't get a chance to try out the Traqmate software and controller on the car before it got dark, so I'll bring my Hot Lap timer and set it up tomorrow in the paddock for backup.

Bill P.

Posted by: trekkor Nov 11 2006, 08:32 PM

I'm also ready.

Hot Lap timer installed and tested ( my TV remote triggers it )

Trailered up, gassed, torqued, Hoosiers on and all the goodies packed.

The sky was absolutley cloud free tonight.


KT

Posted by: Rotten Robby Nov 11 2006, 11:31 PM

QUOTE(Rotten Robby @ Nov 7 2006, 08:30 AM)

Posted by: trekkor Nov 11 2006, 11:42 PM

Cool!!

This is BIG for him. Living a dream. Great.


KT

Posted by: trekkor Nov 11 2006, 11:58 PM

Martin, what tires are you running?


KT

Posted by: Randal Nov 12 2006, 06:55 AM

QUOTE(trekkor @ Nov 11 2006, 09:58 PM)

Posted by: grantsfo Nov 12 2006, 08:38 AM

One too many margaritas with freinds last night and didnt get home until 12:30am. I woke up to my alarm at 4:15 and decided track driving with a hangover wasnt in my plans. Have fun!

Posted by: nebreitling Nov 12 2006, 09:52 AM

jesus, grant -- this isn't something like work that you can just wiggle out of -- MAN UP!

Posted by: trekkor Nov 12 2006, 08:02 PM

Great day. No rain.

Our group held it together.

1 NASCAR racer put his car into the wall in the PIT LANE before getting onto the track. Body damage only- day over.

Another driver in a EVO, who went in way over his head, 1st time on this track, overdrove and came with a reputation put his car into the tire wall between 8 and 8a to the left- totaled! He took his car home on a flat trailer

My clutch cable clevis broke, I had it "fixed". it lasted a whole session and then broke again.

I'll get a new one and carry another as a spare, along with a spare retaining pin.
You can't really inspect this part. they just break.

I decided against "fixing" it again and shot some video of Bill driving through turn ten instead.

I ran 2:02's which was ok, considering how cold the track was.

I look foward to returning here in the spring.

KT

Posted by: nebreitling Nov 12 2006, 08:18 PM

everyone at the kart track was about 1" off pace -- the track was slicker than snot and colder than a witch's tit. awesome time, every turn was a drift.

Posted by: Martin Baker Nov 12 2006, 09:11 PM

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Posted by: Martin Baker Nov 12 2006, 09:18 PM

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Posted by: trekkor Nov 12 2006, 09:32 PM

Your car looked and sounded fantastic, too.

The best news, however, was that Alison is healing from the operation nicely

Glad you made out with us, Martin.


KT

Posted by: nebreitling Nov 12 2006, 09:39 PM

i'm sorry i missed you, martin! (i was up top at the kart track all day).

Posted by: Randal Nov 12 2006, 09:47 PM

Long day, but about as much fun as you can have.

Bill did a great job reeling in Lucille from the 2:30 mark to ( ), well I'll let him tell you.

But in any event this was a great change this -change that day until the car worked, or should I say worked better.

And we were never even close to what it can really do. But at Sears you had better reel it in slowly or:

Wild day at the track, as Trekkor pointed out, except he forgot to mention that the guy that wrote off the Rally clone had $50,000 in it.

He was wearing a Hans device and if you ever needed it - this was the time. I mean he just tore the front end off this 4 wheel drive turbo car. Both sides were also damaged. I would have taken pictures, but I felt so bad for him I couldn't do it/

Hard to believe how quickly people are ready to pick up a gun and play Russian Roulette at Sears.

Oh and Brad showed up for a bit - Always great to see our SOCAL Man.

Posted by: Martin Baker Nov 12 2006, 09:58 PM

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Posted by: Rotten Robby Nov 12 2006, 10:08 PM

QUOTE(Martin Baker @ Nov 12 2006, 07:18 PM)

QUOTE(Rotten Robby @ Nov 11 2006, 09:31 PM)

QUOTE(Rotten Robby @ Nov 7 2006, 08:30 AM)

Me and the bee!

I am sending Martin Baker in my place with his adriatic blue trackmobile 914-6. I have too much pain in my arm to do 20 minute sessions right now.

Rob, Thanks much for the Hook Up on the Track Masters Event!

Posted by: Rotten Robby Nov 12 2006, 10:10 PM

QUOTE(nebreitling @ Nov 12 2006, 07:39 PM)

Posted by: nebreitling Nov 12 2006, 10:16 PM

do we have a full count of how many club members were at infineon today? it's really amazing to me that so many of us are dedicated to motorsports.


trekkor
nathan
bill
rob
randal
martin
brad
steve n
others?????

Posted by: Martin Baker Nov 12 2006, 10:32 PM

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Posted by: Rotten Robby Nov 12 2006, 10:41 PM

QUOTE(Martin Baker @ Nov 12 2006, 08:32 PM)

QUOTE(nebreitling @ Nov 12 2006, 07:39 PM)

i'm sorry i missed you, martin! (i was up top at the kart track all day).

I"LL BE BACK!!!!!!!!

You to my Brother! Next time, it's all a blur right now! Ask me about my turn 4 incident! Smoke...flat spot...thump thump thump...black flag...just two seconds before my instuctor says; "You're doing GREAT!"

Posted by: nebreitling Nov 12 2006, 10:42 PM

ha! martin just got his first hit off the track-pipe...

Posted by: trekkor Nov 12 2006, 10:59 PM

let me guess, Martin.
You shifted into 4th approaching 4 and realized very quickly that you were going WAY too fast to make that turn?...i done that...ONCE.

just give it up in that turn. get the car pointed toward 5 as soon as possible and back on gas and then get into 4th.

If you don't give up the speed, you will end up trying to save the car every time.

my lap times came down for me when i finally got the "moves" from 4 to 7.

I think my latest in-car video would help you.


KT

Posted by: Martin Baker Nov 12 2006, 11:02 PM

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Posted by: trekkor Nov 12 2006, 11:14 PM

Yes, David Wong takes some fantastic shots.


KT

Posted by: Martin Baker Nov 12 2006, 11:20 PM

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Posted by: trekkor Nov 12 2006, 11:41 PM

http://www.mindovermotorsports.com/video/Sears10_6_06.wmv


The track was 51° in the first session.
69° 2nd
80° 3rd

then it fell off.

My clutch linkage came apart in my out lap in the 3rd, where I feel a sub 2:00 was possible

After you left, a few rain drops fell and it got really cold.


KT

Posted by: Randal Nov 13 2006, 10:06 AM

QUOTE(trekkor @ Nov 12 2006, 06:02 PM)

Great day. No rain.

Our group held it together.

1 NASCAR racer put his car into the wall in the PIT LANE before getting onto the track. Body damage only- day over.

Another driver in a EVO, who went in way over his head, 1st time on this track, overdrove and came with a reputation put his car into the tire wall between 8 and 8a to the left- totaled! He took his car home on a flat trailer

My clutch cable clevis broke, I had it "fixed". it lasted a whole session and then broke again.

I'll get a new one and carry another as a spare, along with a spare retaining pin.
You can't really inspect this part. they just break.

I decided against "fixing" it again and shot some video of Bill driving through turn ten instead.

I ran 2:02's which was ok, considering how cold the track was.

I look foward to returning here in the spring.

KT

Posted by: nine14cats Nov 13 2006, 11:08 AM

Whew, what a day! Thanks to Randal and Brad for helping with Lucille's setup.

What a difference from the beginning of the day to the end! And what a difference in the car from a HP car (Fritz) to a momentum car (Lucille). I screwed the pooch on the initial track setup and the Spec Boxster felt like shit on the first warmup lap. Cold tires are always a part of it, but this was totally different. The car felt wrong. The front plowed yet when I turned the wheel for more than slight input the car went from plowing to swapping ends! I went 2 wheels off during the warm up lap at the entry to 8! My first off and it happens on the warm up lap going 40MPH!.... I limped through the sssion at with a 2:30...

We brought the car back in to the Paddock and made bar adjustments front and rear. I also checked the shock stiffness settings and they were fubar. Rear shocks were full hard, front shocks had one full soft and one in the middle. A complete brain fade from me not checking them before going out. I reset shocks to full soft and we went back out.

Next session the car felt like a car again. 2:18 lap times. We started playing with subtle adjustments to the suspension and by the end of the day, according to my new Trackmate GPS system, we ran a 2:00.7 lap....just 7/10's from getting into the 59's! And I was coasting all over the place and braking WAY EARLY.....I'm not a go out there and drive 10/10's kind of learner. I am slow and steady getting up to speed. I need to feel comoftable in my car and I'm not very comfortable in Lucille yet.

But there is happiness here. The Spec Boxster is going to be good, no question. Randal and I were riding the last session and the rythym started to flow. We adjusted lines to carry momentum, used the Boxster's balance to go places the 911 can't and I started looking ahead instead of letting the difference in feel of the car freak me out. And we started to cook. My Traqmate data anaylsis shows I was over 20MPH faster in the straights and 10MPH faster in some linked sections than the morning sessions. Keeping up momentum is a fun challenge. And I do mean fun!

Great time. Can't wait for the next time!

Bill P.

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Nov 13 2006, 11:15 AM

Now, "where is that instructor list?"

Posted by: trekkor Nov 13 2006, 11:30 AM

Good job Bill.

Did the Boxster feel similar to the old #628 914-6 winged car?


KT

Posted by: Randal Nov 13 2006, 06:49 PM

QUOTE(trekkor @ Nov 9 2006, 09:01 PM)

Posted by: trekkor Nov 13 2006, 07:00 PM

Good call on the winch.

I bet I can tap 12v power off the truck's wiring harnes for the trailer.



KT

Posted by: Brad Roberts Nov 13 2006, 07:04 PM

Holy shit.. the guy with the Suby wrapped it up??

I have pics of the car BEFORE.. Tiffani took them. She liked that car!!

Good news on the Boxster Bill! I decided not to tell you that one of the fast BoxsterS drivers down here runs high 58's at Sears with JRZ's and similar tires.

I knew you would come on stronger as you got more comfortable in the car. Reading the tire temps that session told me a lot (he is scared..LOL) This one has NO HP to compensate for minor "mistakes" in driving. You have to be on the gas at all times with just enough brake to settle the car!!

Cant wait to see the data!!


B

Posted by: Randal Nov 13 2006, 07:11 PM

QUOTE(trekkor @ Nov 13 2006, 05:00 PM)

Posted by: grantsfo Nov 13 2006, 08:59 PM

QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Nov 13 2006, 05:04 PM)

Posted by: nebreitling Nov 13 2006, 10:15 PM

Posted by: trekkor Nov 13 2006, 11:40 PM

Pics are already up...


The guy posted his deal-
http://www.baautox.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=1099&start=0&rid=0


KT


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Posted by: nine14cats Nov 13 2006, 11:43 PM

I think the Spec Boxster will be a low to mid 50's car at Sears. I've been playing with my Traqmate Ack data and one of the nice things about it is that you can break the track into segments and analyze the segment times. If I piece together the best times from each of the segments that I drove on Sunday, the car turned a 1:56.8, which ain't bad considering I was braking way early and coasting through turns. I may never link everything together perfectly to get this time, but realistically I think it will happen. I drove terribly Sunday and I didn't feel on my game, so I played it real conservative and enjoyed the process of the car sorting. When you're not your best, Infineon is not the place to push your limits.

What really surprised me was how "soft" the car felt, even with 450lbs springs up front and 500lbs springs in the rear. My 911 feels much stiffer, and has a 350/550 combo.

B,

For setup comparison to your black car, I had the front bar set 2nd hole from stiffest and rear bar fully soft. I ended with the front shocks set at position 3 and rear at position 6 (1 firmest, 9 softest). What AR bar settings are you using for the shorter courses like Infineon and what do you use at high speed tracks like Thill? Thill will be next for us to test at.

Bill P.

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Nov 14 2006, 12:09 AM

QUOTE(grantsfo @ Nov 13 2006, 09:55 PM)

I had a sense it was him. I think he had less serious accident at Laguna too. I ran into him on Hwy 84 once. He was driving over his head on the street too. How about this picture of Mr. Hot Dog on T Hill? I have a hard time with those who drive over their heads in a track day event.

Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Nov 14 2006, 12:35 AM

don't think we will be seeing much of that paricular "Canuckmobile" for a while if ever....

I will just be on the look out for a Ricer with a maple leaf graphic

Posted by: Randal Nov 14 2006, 01:19 AM

QUOTE(grantsfo @ Nov 13 2006, 06:59 PM)

QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Nov 13 2006, 05:04 PM)

Good news on the Boxster Bill! I decided not to tell you that one of the fast BoxsterS drivers down here runs high 58's at Sears with JRZ's and similar tires.

I knew you would come on stronger as you got more comfortable in the car. Reading the tire temps that session told me a lot (he is scared..LOL) This one has NO HP to compensate for minor "mistakes" in driving. You have to be on the gas at all times with just enough brake to settle the car!!

Cant wait to see the data!!


B

I'm sure Bill is still getting use to the feel of this car. I know I was still getting comfortable with the recently converted 914-6 on my second day at Infineon. I'm sure he will drop a few more seconds out there. Not bad at all for so little seat time in the Boxster.

I would bet the spec Boxsters will get into mid to low 1:5X's at Infineon once people get comfortable with them and have ideal conditions.

...Bad news is Spec Miatas are doing 1:55's at Infineon. Spec Miatas just fly there! I study Spec Miata guys a lot since my 165 HP 914 is similar in power. I note that they dont use all the track often and really hug the Carousel.

http://www.trackfreak.com/media/Infineon_2006_09_03_SCCA_RegRace.mov

Posted by: Randal Nov 14 2006, 01:37 AM

QUOTE(grantsfo @ Nov 13 2006, 09:55 PM)

I had a sense it was him. I think he had less serious incidents at Laguna too, has had high speed off track spins at BW and a couple at T Hill too. I ran into him on Hwy 84 once. ...no comment. How about this picture of Mr. Hot Dog on T Hill? His car was spewing oil at T Hill event too from what I remeber reading. I have a hard time with those who drive over their heads in a track day event.

Posted by: Randal Nov 14 2006, 01:46 AM

QUOTE(nine14cats @ Nov 13 2006, 09:43 PM)

Posted by: nebreitling Nov 14 2006, 11:22 AM

I agree whole-heartedly with everyone's sentiments here, but unless you are willing to only run with groups of known drivers (like dan), i just don't see how you can eliminate the "yahoo factor". that guy (or the guy who stuffed his rented ASC car) could have easily gathered up one of you out there -- i.e. one of you who don't have a SFI-5 drivers suit, hans, full-cage, etc. (not that I ever had a hans or a front hoop; and not that any of that stuff would guarantee your safety).

My only point here is that we should not be surprised by this stuff; but rather get comfortable with the idea of that we could get seriously hurt out there, and make our decisions accordingly....

Posted by: Brad Roberts Nov 14 2006, 11:30 AM

He needs a 1.7 914...

Bill,

The only tight track setup I have right now is Streets and it "kinda" compares. I havent ran the car on ANY technical tracks like Sears or Laguna. I have good seat time at CA Speedway/Willows/Buttonwillow/Streets. None of those tracks even compare. They are what I call "fast" tracks.

I wanted to stay badly and help out, but I didnt/couldnt send her home to drive by herself for 8+ hours. She told me to stay and hop a flight home... I couldnt do it to her.

Going over what you have posted about the setup:

I do run the rear bar full soft for Streets and the shocks set at position 3 (rear) I havent tightened the front bar down that far. I run the middle hole for Streets and position 4 on the front shocks.

WillowSprings: I leave the front bar where it is and go to position 2 on the front shocks. Position 2 from full hard on the rear bar and same setting for rear shock (3)

I may have to fly in and out or bring the black car to THill. I wanted to run THill this year.


B

Posted by: Brad Roberts Nov 14 2006, 11:36 AM

Nathan nailed it.

During my first SCCA licensing school I complained about a "Yahoo" who couldnt keep his RX7 on the track in front of me. He was the son of some famous NorCal SCCA racer and everyone knew him.. my complaints fell on deaf ears. My "instructor" told me to get used to it and "shut up", it is all part of the game. When you see him next on the track.. avoid him like the plague. Pass him as fast as possible and stay away from him.

The fact that we can now "show" others with digital pics on forums is GREAT compared to what I had back then. I had NO idea who I could trust and who I couldnt. The key is: these people weed themselves out. Keep running with the same groups and you will learn who is "good" and who isnt. You'll learn to recognize their cars quickly as you come up on them or if they are sitting on grid with you. Others will talk about it also.

Get used to it. For every "normal" driver.. you'll have 3 Yahoo's.



B

Posted by: Brad Roberts Nov 14 2006, 12:03 PM

Trekkor time!





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Posted by: Martin Baker Nov 24 2006, 06:51 PM

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