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Posted by: Joe Ricard May 7 2007, 06:33 AM
Ok ya'll time again for the 914 cup to start up again. If you would like to participate please go to the link and fill out the form. http://www.914world.com/914cup/
Structure and rules are pretty much as they were last time with only a few tweeks that were requested by you guys.
Oh and since I have been racing since January ya'll better get busy. 
Posted by: blitZ May 7 2007, 11:44 AM
Are the rules posted somewhere? I don't understand exactly how this works. 
Posted by: McMark May 7 2007, 12:01 PM
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=23990&st=0
The 914Cup is a way for all 914 racers to compare AX times and see 'who is faster'. Broadly speaking, it's a comparison of what percentage of TTOD are you. If your fastest time is 95% of the TTOD for that event, then you get 95 points.
There aren't really any 'rules'. Just classify your car on the sign up sheet (easy) and enter your AX times. We do the rest.
Posted by: grantsfo May 7 2007, 12:51 PM
Cool! Very nice job of integrating it onto the site.
Posted by: drgchapman May 7 2007, 01:18 PM
I'll come out and play. A/X is soo much fun!
Looks like I'm in the modified class, away from you go fasties.
Some day I'll put on the flairs and go big rubber.
I see Trevor is in the game!
Looks like A/X is really big here in Oregon as compared to the other events listed.
Posted by: Joe Ricard May 7 2007, 01:52 PM
I guess I only have 4 events in the 914 this year. So lucky for you guys that I drove the RX-8 for two events and My buddies Civic for one event.
Posted by: grantsfo May 7 2007, 02:37 PM
I guess I only have 4 events in the 914 this year. So lucky for you guys that I drove the RX-8 for two events and My buddies Civic for one event.
Isnt it quality over quantity in this competition? How many events are we counting for points this time?
Posted by: Joe Ricard May 7 2007, 02:52 PM
I vote for ALL of them that you run in a 914. Last year I ran 20 events in my car and 2 more in other cars. and 2 lapping days.
Yes Quality counts, Maybe it would be nice to show total points as it is now. and another column with average.
If you take FTD for all 3 of your yearly qualifying events you have 300 points and an average of 100
If you are a "back marker" but just can't not stay away or like me have no other life other than Autocross my 20 events would have gained me 1900 ish points with and average in the 90's or what ever.
Posted by: SirAndy May 7 2007, 03:45 PM
Isnt it quality over quantity in this competition? How many events are we counting for points this time?
only your best five count! Andy
Posted by: drgchapman May 7 2007, 04:03 PM
Is there another way to open the 914 cup other than through this thread?
Could we get it naiiled to the paddock header?
An average of runs seems appropriate, what ever someone decides.........
Just some ramblings.
Gary
Posted by: McMark May 7 2007, 05:05 PM
I posted a link at the top of every page. Click the 914Cup logo! 
It is hard coded right now to count only your top five entries. So max point possible is 500. I'll get a 'rules' page added in the next few days to explain all of this.
I am eager to see some debate as to how the system works and what we can do to make it better next year (probably no big changes this year).
Posted by: grantsfo May 7 2007, 05:42 PM
I do think person who scores highest points total by certain point in the year should get "Crazy for AX" award. It says something when somone has discpline to go to a ton of AX's throughout the year.
I think top 5 events are a good number.
One thing on tires I penalized myself for my rear tire width of 265 for points calculation. I run 225's in front. Is this correct?
Posted by: Joe Ricard May 7 2007, 06:27 PM
So you run itty bitty tires huh?
275 all around Full racing slicks
Under powered and over tired
Posted by: orcadigital May 8 2007, 06:25 PM
It looks like we only have 3 Autocrosses on the schedule this year (RMR PCA). How does that work? Or can i count in DE events as well? I am sure it would screw my times, as a GT3 Cup Car can hotlap a lot faster then me on a track...
Just curious, this whole thing is a nifty idea. 
Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) May 8 2007, 06:46 PM
So you run itty bitty tires huh?
275 all around Full racing slicks
Under powered and over tired
let the trash talkin' begin
the improved class needs to keep a warry eye out for the "Flyin' Pumpkin"
Posted by: SirAndy May 8 2007, 08:47 PM
It looks like we only have 3 Autocrosses on the schedule this year (RMR PCA). How does that work? Or can i count in DE events as well? I am sure it would screw my times, as a GT3 Cup Car can hotlap a lot faster then me on a track...
hmm, we need to talk about this, but my gutt feeling would be that you can enter the DE's as well so you get to at least 5 events ...
Andy
Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) May 8 2007, 10:02 PM
It looks like we only have 3 Autocrosses on the schedule this year (RMR PCA). How does that work? Or can i count in DE events as well? I am sure it would screw my times, as a GT3 Cup Car can hotlap a lot faster then me on a track...
hmm, we need to talk about this, but my gutt feeling would be that you can enter the DE's as well so you get to at least 5 events ...
Andyassuming that the DE has a TT portion with official timing.
many PCA DEs back east and midwest are DE only from what I have seen...very few regions or Zones do official timing.
Posted by: Joe Ricard May 9 2007, 05:56 AM
The ricer crowd calls it "time attack" I think it is like PAX designed to make the slow kids feel they are competative.
Posted by: grantsfo May 9 2007, 08:07 AM
let the trash talkin' begin
the improved class needs to keep a warry eye out for the "Flyin' Pumpkin"
The "Flyin Pumpkin"? Havent seen or heard from it this season. It's more like the Jackstand Jack O' Latern. Rumor has it that is might be ready for the 2008 cup?
Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) May 9 2007, 06:50 PM
let the trash talkin' begin
the improved class needs to keep a warry eye out for the "Flyin' Pumpkin"
The "Flyin Pumpkin"? Havent seen or heard from it this season. It's more like the Jackstand Jack O' Latern. Rumor has it that is might be ready for the 2008 cup?
soon Grant, very soon
Posted by: grantsfo May 9 2007, 06:58 PM
let the trash talkin' begin
the improved class needs to keep a warry eye out for the "Flyin' Pumpkin"
The "Flyin Pumpkin"? Havent seen or heard from it this season. It's more like the Jackstand Jack O' Latern. Rumor has it that is might be ready for the 2008 cup?
soon Grant, very soon
Candlestick May 19?
Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) May 9 2007, 07:03 PM
let the trash talkin' begin
the improved class needs to keep a warry eye out for the "Flyin' Pumpkin"
The "Flyin Pumpkin"? Havent seen or heard from it this season. It's more like the Jackstand Jack O' Latern. Rumor has it that is might be ready for the 2008 cup?
soon Grant, very soon
Candlestick May 19?
Nope, I will be in Chico attending my oldest daughter's graduation for grad school with a Masters in Speech and Language Pathology...
My first AX will probably be AX #4 at the stick....
Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Jul 6 2007, 08:44 PM
I'm in the lead for now! The Improved 1.7 
Improved
Name Points
1 Chris Pincetich 340.874
2 ottox914 281.705
3 Dave Darling 173.178
4 Kelly Corn 143.878
5 thomas spretke 88.6472
6 Grant Remington 85.7725
7 Mark De Bernardi 83.6113
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Posted by: grantsfo Jul 6 2007, 09:01 PM
Nor Cal Teeners Rule!
Posted by: Joe Ricard Jul 7 2007, 12:03 PM
Thanks guys for putting up some new times and points.
This place neeeds more racing
Posted by: ConeDodger Jul 7 2007, 12:45 PM
Thanks guys for putting up some new times and points.
This place neeeds more racing
I need just one day of help to get mine ready... In the mean time, the Bumblebee is doing just fine... That thing is going to make someone a great car!!!
Posted by: ottox914 Jul 7 2007, 10:23 PM
I'm in the lead for now! The Improved 1.7
Improved
Name Points
1 Chris Pincetich 340.874
2 ottox914 281.705
3 Dave Darling 173.178
4 Kelly Corn 143.878
5 thomas spretke 88.6472
6 Grant Remington 85.7725
7 Mark De Bernardi 83.6113
Enjoy it while you can- our next event is Aug 5, and I plan to add another 90+ points...
Posted by: Joe Ricard Jul 8 2007, 09:52 AM
When I get my car back on the road none of you will have a chance.
Posted by: Borderline Jul 8 2007, 11:39 AM
I didn't know it was there! OK I've entered my numbers. In my car specs I put the Azenis down for my tires. For the rest of the season I plan on running the Azenis in the morning and the victorocks in the pm. I will only enter my times for the Azenis........trust me
Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Aug 1 2007, 04:37 PM
Bill C comes stormin to the top from nowhere! ALMOST to the top that is.
My 914cup scores are maxed at 5 events and have gone from high 80s to low 90s in the recent months...I think I'm getting faster
Catch me if you can! 
Improved
Name Points
1 Chris Pincetich 451.461
2 Bill C 440.695
3 ottox914 281.705
4 thomas spretke 277.403
5 Dave Darling 253.092
6 Kelly Corn 143.878
7 Grant Remington 85.7725
8 Mark De Bernardi 83.6113
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Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Aug 1 2007, 07:48 PM
sorry the old dog is back in the Puttputt....and gaining fast after only 3 events.
and averaging ~93 points per event.
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Posted by: 914forme Aug 2 2007, 01:42 PM
Dan yours looks more burnt pumpkin than my signal orange car. LOL
I am in though catching Mr. Chapman is going to be tough. I am up for a challenge.
Posted by: grantsfo Aug 2 2007, 02:45 PM
Nor Cal cup drivers seem to be doing all right. 
Posted by: 914forme Aug 3 2007, 07:35 AM
Yeah, but I don't think you guys run fast venues, like some of us do. How many 125/250 cc shifter carts , Mod class cars, or Formula SAE cars do you all ever run against????? Or Current SCCA National champs!!!!
So I guess I gotta be like you guys and sand bag my scores by running PCA only events.....
Stirring the pot with some good trash talk....
Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Aug 3 2007, 09:36 AM
nope, no national champs around here....oh lets see. Jeff Reitmeir, he has what is it, 8 national championships. Oh and Steve Neislony and Tom Provasi, have how many Parade TTOD between them now, like 7 or 8?
Yeah, we don't have carts at our events, but then again, who cares?
trash talkin' back at you. 
Posted by: ConeDodger Aug 3 2007, 04:48 PM
nope, no national champs around here....oh lets see. Jeff Reitmeir, he has what is it, 8 national championships. Oh and Steve Neislony and Tom Provasi, have how many Parade TTOD between them now, like 7 or 8?
Yeah, we don't have carts at our events, but then again, who cares?
trash talkin' back at you.
I see a bunch of people with National level talent who are either unwilling or unable to take the time to go running off to Kansas or wherever for an event. Dan named just three. I personally have only done two SCCA events in the last two years but I won my class in both. Most courses in the Coastal area are big and fast. Heck in the Midwest, I used to win my class every event I went to and that was 20 plus a year. Here I do well but I am lucky to be top 10... Now there are people everywhere with REAL talent in NCal. I am truely honored to get to ride with the likes of Steve Nieslony once in a while. You want smack? You got it
Posted by: J P Stein Aug 4 2007, 09:19 AM
Stephen:
Since the Zone 7 guys are afraid to step out of their pond, the only way to deal with em' is to get into it with em'. So, join me at Marina on 29 Sept and let's get after these guys...they get home field advantage but let's see what they can do with it.
The good Mr. Neilsony is one exception to the above and he'd do well in SCCA XP, FP, or D Mod...whichever he would be legal. He doesn't need 8 or 10 runs to go fast.
Posted by: Borderline Aug 4 2007, 10:52 AM
Sounds like a 914 challenge right here in Marina!! Can't wait to see it! Of course, Brittain is no stranger to Marina, so the home field advantage doesn't really exist.
Posted by: ConeDodger Aug 4 2007, 11:23 AM
Stephen:
Since the Zone 7 guys are afraid to step out of their pond, the only way to deal with em' is to get into it with em'.
So, join me at Marina on 29 Sept and let's get after these guys...they get home field advantage but let's see what they can do with it.The good Mr. Neilsony is one exception to the above and he'd do well in SCCA XP, FP, or D Mod...whichever he would be legal. He doesn't need 8 or 10 runs to go fast.
I'm not sure Marina is not "step(ping) out of (my) pond" since it a 4 hour drive with a trailered car... But... I would go to Marina if only to see that grouchy guy with the yellow car from up North...
Bring your Bumblebee wantin' friend. I'll show him what the car will do.
Posted by: SirAndy Aug 4 2007, 04:42 PM
My 914cup scores are maxed at 5 events
uhmmm, dude, read the rules!
everybody's scores are the best 5 out of however many events you participated in.
so all you need to do to improve your current standing is to drive faster at your next event!
Andy
Posted by: grantsfo Aug 4 2007, 10:19 PM
LOL! JP had to recruit a Nor Cal driver to drive his car fast. Hope Britain makes it down here JP! ...that way you'll at least have some bragging rights. SCCA drivers aint nothing special guys. Most of the fast PCA drivers in Zone 7 are top of the heap in SFR SCCA events they run.
Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Aug 5 2007, 10:34 PM
My 914cup scores are maxed at 5 events
uhmmm, dude, read the rules!
everybody's scores are the best 5 out of however many events you participated in.
so all you need to do to improve your current standing is to drive faster at your next event!
AndyUUmmmm dude, did you fix your 914 yet or are you just bench racing from the keyboard?
I've got 5 events in = maxed out on events. I know the rules and I play by them ,fair and square. Just didn't constuct that sentence too well...I've actually been driving too fast lately, need to slow down and stop skidding through cones.
Posted by: Borderline Aug 6 2007, 01:00 AM
.I've actually been driving too fast lately, need to slow down and stop skidding through cones.
You have been driving too fast! I have never seen someone have a time thrown out for being too fast!! "He couldn't go that fast on street tires, must be a timer error"
Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Aug 6 2007, 01:03 AM
we don't want to go there Bill, and he was the one that brought it up... 
Posted by: 914forme Aug 6 2007, 12:38 PM
JP I would love to come out and run in NC @ the infamous Marina, would be fun. Can't take off work to trailer out though. It is our busy time. August and Septeber my boss has denied all vacations. 
BTW, if it is winning your class makes you think you successed in SCCA, you all must run as moving pylons.
You guys ain't fast Bring your cars over to Dayton, next year when we have a GASS regional, that brings out the Honda Factory auto-x team. This car has about 76K in development under it. And a driver pool that is deeper than many Pro racing teams. Honda RD of Troy Ohio is taking 3 cars to Nationals this year. 2 S2000, and this EP Civic. And no they are not that fastest cars on the weekend.
Bill in his Formula Ford Tiga was. You run against 11 of these things you find out how good you really are. Yes I sucked both days, not do to a lack off effort just a much deeper talent pool than I normally run. And the talent pool I run with is pretty deep. FTD was won by a local, boy, Mr. Bill Smiley 
Sorry I was not on here to keep the up, and but I ran north for 2 days. I want to thank all my Canadian Brothers and Sisters for a wonderful weekend of 
Psst: I am getting to old to party like that.... Dude I am paying today.
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Posted by: grantsfo Aug 6 2007, 04:04 PM
Yeah, but I don't think you guys run fast venues, like some of us do. How many 125/250 cc shifter carts , Mod class cars, or Formula SAE cars do you all ever run against?????
So I guess I gotta be like you guys and sand bag my scores by running PCA only events.....
Stirring the pot with some good trash talk....
Clearly you haven't read the rules if you're including non-production car times in your TTOD calculations for the 914 Cup. The 914 Cup is only based on production cars to keep everything fair. You aren't running against those cars. Frankly I need to go to a couple SCCA events to pickup my lead! Some of the fast 914 guys here don't go to SCCA events and it will give me a chance to secure my prestigious 914 cup season win.
Here are the rules for TTOD calculation:
-Definition: TTOD here refers to the fastest officially-recognized run by any production-based car. This specifically excludes open-wheeled cars such as SCCA's A-mod or F-SAE classes, as well as (very rarely) some PCA Exhibition-classed cars on a case-by-case basis.
Posted by: grantsfo Aug 6 2007, 04:56 PM
Here are a few of those slow PCA cars. Yeah your're right Chris P, Dan T, Demick, Bill and others have it pretty easy here in Zone 7. They are definitely sand bagging.
Posted by: ConeDodger Aug 6 2007, 05:57 PM
Here are a few of those slow PCA cars. Yeah your're right Chris P, Dan T, Demick, Bill and others have it pretty easy here in Zone 7. They are definitely sand bagging.
I autocrossed and SOLOII in the Midwest for many years and as I said I did very well. Now that I live in Northern California I realize I had just been a good sized dog in a fair sized pound. I went from finishing top three to five as far as TTOD to fifteenth or worse. I think my first event I was twenty-first. I have worked that back up to a pretty consistent top ten but the pound is pretty darned big here... And the venues are huge! One lap courses with over a minute times!You don't need to come now... Heck put it on the trailer and come in November. We will still be autocrossing while you are wishing winter would hurry up and go away!!!
S M A C K ! ! ! !
Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Aug 6 2007, 06:12 PM
DAMN - I knew I should have kept quiet about all this. Now Demick is posting in Improved, and he's got 90+s for all 3 events he's raced in. Way to go dude
Good points about entering TTOD from production cars only! Does that disqualify The Beast at Marina?? Not sure if I can even edit my old entries....I accidently put 2006 on one and couldn't change it.
Posted by: 914forme Aug 6 2007, 06:15 PM
Ah piss Grant you got me - I never read the F-in rules to anything. Except the race class I run, which I have 1000 or more times, I know every detail, and grey area in them.
But in reality to me TTOD is TTOD, run what you brung knock the top guy off the ladder and piss on his open car. Thats the sport I run. Big dog rules, and if you can put your fendered car into TTOD more power to you.
Okay off to read the dang rules, I have seen your national PCA boys run. Actually seen allot of them, more than any body knows, I been sneaking into PCA events since I was a wee lad. I watched Provasi run when he was young
Posted by: 914forme Aug 6 2007, 06:21 PM
Now I am pissed cause I have two events that TTOD is wrong.
BTW, Grant according the the rules you have to start another entry for each scationing body you run. See I can read. Can't spell but I can read.
Posted by: Demick Aug 6 2007, 07:26 PM
DAMN - I knew I should have kept quiet about all this. Now Demick is posting in Improved, and he's got 90+s for all 3 events he's raced in. Way to go dude
But I'm only a threat if I run 5 times this year - which is looking unlikely with no more 'local' events. Closest venue now is Marina. Although I might try and show up to the Sept 29th one if it appears there will be a 914 showdown!
Posted by: Demick Aug 6 2007, 07:36 PM
Nope, no fast cars around here.......
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Posted by: ConeDodger Aug 6 2007, 07:50 PM
Okay off to read the dang rules, I have seen your national PCA boys run. Actually seen allot of them, more than any body knows, I been sneaking into PCA events since I was a wee lad. I watched Provasi run when he was young
SHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! Tom doesn't know he is not young...
Posted by: J P Stein Aug 6 2007, 09:54 PM
Well, golly. Nice cars, nice pics.....now I'm all scared up.
Maybe we'll come down anyhow.
Posted by: Borderline Aug 6 2007, 10:42 PM
rules? we got rules?
Posted by: grantsfo Aug 6 2007, 10:56 PM
Well, golly. Nice cars, nice pics.....now I'm all scared up.
Maybe we'll come down anyhow.
I am excited about Britain coming down! Its just going to be like old times with Britain back home in Nor Cal! Too bad you guys chose a venue that attracts fewest fast drivers. You really should have done a SF Bay Area event where all our fast guys run to really see how your car fairs. You'll be lucky if you get one other car with slicks coming all the way down South to Marina. ...And let me see you have slicks. LOL! At least Britain have the fastest car to show us how its done in 3 runs.
I probably wont make it as I'm in Hawaii the week prior and dont arrive home until late in the evening on the 28th. ...I may just show up in my stock Miata to beat your time if I get enough sleep.
Posted by: McMark Aug 7 2007, 04:00 AM
Nope. Keep entering events. The software picks your top five. The 914Cup is about your top five runs of the season. Keep adding scores.
EDIT: There, I made a code change. Now all your results are listed and the ones which are highlighted are the five that count.
http://www.914world.com/914cup/entrant.php?id=47
Posted by: 914forme Aug 7 2007, 07:40 AM
Nope. Keep entering events. The software picks your top five. The 914Cup is about your top five runs of the season. Keep adding scores.
EDIT: There, I made a code change. Now all your results are listed and the ones which are highlighted are the five that count.
http://www.914world.com/914cup/entrant.php?id=47
Nice Job McMark
Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Aug 7 2007, 10:24 AM
McMark you rock
Grant - pack your trailer before Hawaii...we're counting on you and the WA crue going head to head for 914 TTOD at Marina!
AXes there for 2 days - maybe one day you can make it with the 914. I'm not sure right now if I can make it both days...I want to...we'll see
Posted by: Borderline Aug 7 2007, 10:46 AM
Or you may want to consider 1 week later, Sunday Oct 7th: LPR AX at Marina.
Probably fewer cars but more runs! I think JP is coming down to kick some Pirate 
. You wouldn't want to disappoint him after driving all that way!
Posted by: grantsfo Aug 7 2007, 01:23 PM
McMark you rock
Grant - pack your trailer before Hawaii...we're counting on you and the WA crue going head to head for 914 TTOD at Marina!
AXes there for 2 days - maybe one day you can make it with the 914. I'm not sure right now if I can make it both days...I want to...we'll see
I'm sure somone faster than me will show up with a TTOD contender. I hope that JP's car would beat mine in an AX. His yellow car has far more low end grunt with that big 2.7 and even more tire than me. The Beast or Hamilton Racing are more in realm of JP's car. My car really isnt a TTOD AX car by any strech of the imagination with its peaky torque curve. It is a fast sub 2.5 liter track day car however - it spends far more time in that enviroment and performs very nicely.
Posted by: drgchapman Aug 7 2007, 01:37 PM
Big smack talker.....................
Backs out.
Posted by: grantsfo Aug 7 2007, 02:25 PM
Big smack talker.....................
Backs out.
Are you coming down?
My trip has been planned for months. JP is the one who chose the date just recently after saying he wasnt going to come down to Kali. ...Let me see JP sneaks down to Marina the least attended venue in Nor Cal and plans to go when others wont be there. I think I should be the one asking
As I said I'll show up in my stock Miata and kick JP's booty in 3 runs.
Frankly JP will be lucky if he beats our fast improved class 4 cylinder guys. I'd pick Dan T over JP for faster time. You know my 70 year old dad wants to drive my car in an AX and he lives in Grants Pass Or. Maybe we could have the senior citizen shoot out for JP. My dad hasnt AX for 30 years. He's probably closer to JP's caliber and would be fun to watch. I may plan a trip up to Medford next year.
Posted by: drgchapman Aug 7 2007, 05:45 PM
Big smack talker.....................
Backs out.
Are you coming down?
My trip has been planned for months. JP is the one who chose the date just recently after saying he wasnt going to come down to Kali. ...Let me see JP sneaks down to Marina the least attended venue in Nor Cal and plans to go when others wont be there. I think I should be the one asking
As I said I'll show up in my stock Miata and kick JP's booty in 3 runs.
Frankly JP will be lucky if he beats our fast improved class 4 cylinder guys. I'd pick Dan T over JP for faster time. You know my 70 year old dad wants to drive my car in an AX and he lives in Grants Pass Or. Maybe we could have the senior citizen shoot out for JP. My dad hasnt AX for 30 years. He's probably closer to JP's caliber and would be fun to watch. I may plan a trip up to Medford next year.
No. Never said I was. I grew up in Sunnyvale, had enough of that silicon valley shit. I'd rather play up here where the people are more respectful as well as fun.
I will be at the "Porsches at the point" weekend in October at Infineon. Bring your track car and see if we can play nice. Trekkor and I are planning to run together for the two days. He really knows Infineon.
Posted by: grantsfo Aug 7 2007, 07:54 PM
No. Never said I was. I grew up in Sunnyvale, had enough of that silicon valley shit. I'd rather play up here where the people are more respectful as well as fun.
I will be at the "Porsches at the point" weekend in October at Infineon. Bring your track car and see if we can play nice. Trekkor and I are planning to run together for the two days. He really knows Infineon.
...Funny never said I was either?
I wouldnt live in Silicon Valley. However Northwest is far over rated and there are plenty of rude and ternendously boring people living there.
I'm sure you and Trek will have fun running together in the slow group. I run with the fast cars on Infineon. Should I put a seat in my car so you can see what a quick car is like on Infineon?
Posted by: SirAndy Aug 7 2007, 09:05 PM
Should I put a seat in my car so you can see what a quick car is like on Infineon?
in-car video of all the fast cars passing you should be enough ...
i might make marina. lost a bolt on my swaybar and now the car is really tail-happy.
just what i need on a tight course ...
Andy
Posted by: grantsfo Aug 7 2007, 09:17 PM
Should I put a seat in my car so you can see what a quick car is like on Infineon?
in-car video of all the fast cars passing you should be enough ...
Hmmm haven't seen that one yet! ...neither has Nathan. I'm sure you could tape that in your car however.
Posted by: SirAndy Aug 7 2007, 09:22 PM
I'm sure you could tape that in your car however.
Posted by: grantsfo Aug 7 2007, 09:29 PM
I'm sure you could tape that in your car however.
Oh man thats no fun!
When you get everything sorted your car will be very fast! Hell it took me a year to sort out my car!
Posted by: ottox914 Oct 16 2007, 07:31 AM
Tough season has ended. I gave it my best shot in Improved, but it wasn't good enough. All of my events had 100+ drivers, (with the exception of 1 at 62), and checking back at the season results, in all but 1 event, there were no fewer than 5 past national trophy winners ahead of me, at times as many as 10. ouch. Tough pool to swim in. This year alone we took 9 trophies, and had 3 more that were just 1 position out.
Our last event of the season ended with the "Tiki-cross", with island music, awards for the best decorated pit, person, car, and car hauler. Everyone got a cheep plastic lai when they signed the wavier and got their wrist band. Tiki decorations on the club truck and timing trailer, parrots and palm trees hanging from the registration tent. 50 degrees and raining, we still had a blast. There were cars with coconut bras, grass skirts on roll bars, folks with flowered shirts and bare legs. I designed the course, which started with the "conga line" (slalom) into the "rasta right", taking you thru the "corona crossover" (a double fence of cones you needed to line up to go thru on the diagonal), into the "hula loop" ( a 360 degree carosel), into the "bermuda triangle" (3 sided chicago box), around the "tiki turn" (about a 150 degree left) thru the "finish lime" (got corona, need a lime). It was way to much fun. If you club hasn't tried this, do it.
Posted by: betegh9 Nov 4 2007, 06:22 PM
Im fairly new to this forum........Just bought a 914-4 and I like the competition. I have been running most of my AX competition in the North Jersey area with NNJR-PCA and Motorsports NE, using a street modified early 911. I'll expect to post at least 15 events in 2008 for the 914 cup........as long as the car holds up.
Any tips on 914 stock/improved set up?
Posted by: grantsfo Nov 4 2007, 08:30 PM
Im fairly new to this forum........Just bought a 914-4 and I like the competition. I have been running most of my AX competition in the North Jersey area with NNJR-PCA and Motorsports NE, using a street modified early 911. I'll expect to post at least 15 events in 2008 for the 914 cup........as long as the car holds up.
Any tips on 914 stock/improved set up?
Focus on tires and suspension. If youre going to run street tires Falkens and some of the new 140 treadwear tires are the best. Koni adjustable shocks are the best shock. Then it depends on what class you want to run for spring and swaybar setup.
Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Nov 4 2007, 09:10 PM
Im fairly new to this forum........Just bought a 914-4 and I like the competition. I have been running most of my AX competition in the North Jersey area with NNJR-PCA and Motorsports NE, using a street modified early 911. I'll expect to post at least 15 events in 2008 for the 914 cup........as long as the car holds up.
Any tips on 914 stock/improved set up?
Focus on tires and suspension. If youre going to run street tires Falkens and some of the new 140 treadwear tires are the best. Koni adjustable shocks are the best shock. Then it depends on what class you want to run for spring and swaybar setup.
there are some time proven set ups....out there...
you just need to ask the right folks
Check the top of the Improved category...
Posted by: Joe Ricard Dec 11 2007, 06:48 AM
Make sure you guys enter your Autocross times for events driven in your 914.
Looks like most event for the year have wrapped up.
Gee I sure didn't have many 914 events. Wish I could count the RX-8 events I did real good in that car. Musta been the A/C.
Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Dec 11 2007, 02:31 PM
YUP - times all entered and 914 tucked into the garage for Xmas hibernation. I woke it up this last weekend for a fun cruise, and will put some new parts on it in January.
At 3rd place in Improved my 1.7 on mud/snow rated 195/50 street tires did OK. I think I did 10 AX races in 2007 in my 914, lots of seat time! Next year I hope to stay in Improved but running DOT-R competition tires like DanT and OttoX. That should level the playing field a bit.
Posted by: Dan (Almaden Valley) Dec 11 2007, 04:20 PM
Chris, you will like the stickies..................alot.
Posted by: grantsfo Dec 12 2007, 07:04 PM
Make sure you guys enter your Autocross times for events driven in your 914.
Looks like most event for the year have wrapped up.
Gee I sure didn't have many 914 events. Wish I could count the RX-8 events I did real good in that car. Musta been the A/C.
Hey! Are you using PAX times on one of your reported results. LOL! I didnt read rules very well can we use PAX time? Something is very fishy with those results entered into the Cup by Joe.
http://yaketysaxracing.com/msscca/02-25-07.html
I made a mistake or two on my submissions so I'm withdrawing from the Cup in disgrace. Or can I edit my entires?
Posted by: Joe Ricard Dec 12 2007, 07:44 PM
http://yaketysaxracing.com/msscca/02-25-07.html
I made a mistake or two on my submissions so I'm withdrawing from the Cup in disgrace. Or can I edit my entires?
LOSER
Posted by: grantsfo Dec 12 2007, 09:06 PM
Here you go all the rules. No PAX times to be used. Nice try slick.
914cup
a virtual autocross series....
914ers are encouraged to participate in their respective autocross series, and report those times back here for a virtual, nationwide 914 autocross competition!
How it works:
Class your car. Enter an autocross in your area. Compete. Report back the event's TTOD, your fastest time of the day, your class, and some other minor bits of information. Points for your submitted times will be generated and entered into an ongoing series for 2005. At the end of the 2005 season, the best of each competitor's SIX (6) events will be tallied.
How do I sign up?
go here: http://www.stanford.edu/~neb/914cupmain.htm
Rules:
-Open to 914's only.
-4cyl, 6cyl, SBC conversions, rotary conversions, EV's, tube frame cars, and other customs are welcome to compete. Simply, the car MUST have started its life out as a 914, and retain some spirit of a 914.
-Cars will be divided by points into four (4) classes. Competitors are responsible for classing their cars themselves, and for policing each other if necessary.
-see below for classing information
-Eligible AX's
-Only submissions from an official, timed AX event run by a sanctioning body such as PCA or SCCA is eligible.
-In order to preserve competition, only AX events with a minimum of 5 total competitors will be eligible.
-if 5-10 total competitors, event points will be handicapped by .8
-if 11-15 total competitors, event points will be handicapped by .9
-if 16-20 total competitors, event points will be handicapped by .95
-if 21+ competitors, event points will not be handicapped.
-Competitors may enter and submit times from any number of AX events they wish.
-AX "training schools" are not eligible.
-If a competitor competes in multiple sanctioning bodies (e.g. PCA and SCCA), s/he must account for two seperate entries in 914cup; one for each sanctioning body. In this case, the competitor may submit his/her best series results for end-of-the-year 914cup standings.
-Only events held in 2005 will be eligible.
Eligible Submissions:
-Definition: TTOD here refers to the fastest officially-recognized run by any production-based car. This specifically excludes open-wheeled cars such as SCCA's A-mod or F-SAE classes, as well as (very rarely) some PCA Exhibition-classed cars on a case-by-case basis.
-Each competitor must submit their personal fastest official run of the day, as well as the official TTOD for the event. A score will be generated based on a ratio of the TTOD to the competitor's best time multiplied by 100.
e.g. if the TTOD is 37.286, and the competitor's best time is 41.615, then the competitor will earn 90 points for that event.
(37.286/41.615 = .895975009 * 100 = 89.59 rounded to nearest integer
= 90)
-This score will then be modified if necessary based upon total number of
entries (see above, "Eligible AX's")
-TTOD will always be 100 points, except AX events with less than 21
competitors, where TTOD will be either 95, 90, or 80 points (see above,
"Eligible AX's")
-All submissions shall be Raw Times -- not indexed (i.e. do not submit your PAX results)
-Fun runs are not accepted for a competitors best time
-All submitted times must be officially recognized by the organization that you run with.
-i.e., if a competitor disputes a time with his/her sanctioning body, s/he must nonetheless report the officially recognized time. If such a dispute is resolved in the competitor's favor, s/he may have his/ her score adjusted accordingly.
Score Keeping
-Scores will be tallied continuously throughout the autocross season.
-Scores will be reported in integer form. Only in the event of a season-tie will scores be calculated to the
n-th decimal necessary to determine a winner.
CLASSES:
Competitors must class themselves by adding the following points in tally according to their 914. Competitors may switch classes mid-season, but end of the year standings will be tallied for the highest class that competitor raced in.
Backdating (e.g. exhaust, bumpers, doors) is free.
Stock = 0-99 points
Improved = 100-249 points
Modified = 250-349 points
Super-Modified = 350+ points
Tires
Width:
205-width and under = + 0
tirewidth (for 305 and less): (2xx – 205) = penalty points
greater than 305 width = 100 penalty points.
i.e. :
205 or less = +0
215 = +10
225 = +20
235 = +30
etc....
305 or greater = +100
Competitors running slicks in non-standard tire size must convert sizes and add points accordingly.
http://www.csgnetwork.com/tireinfo4calc.html
Type:
DOT Street Tires with treadwear rating over 100* = +0
*exception: Falken Azenis = +50
DOT r-compound tires = +100
non DOT tires (slicks) = +150*
*Competitors running slicks must run in S-Mod,
at a minimum of 350 total points. If the competitor's
total class-points do not add up to at least 350 points,
they must nonetheless report 350 total points for all
purposes of classing.
Brakes
free all classes
Suspension
non-stock rear springs/torsion bars +30
fine-adjustable coil spring platforms +10
(e.g. threaded collars or sim.)
non-stock sway bar +30
Interior
Interior has been substantially gutted and lightened = +20
Race Seat = +10
Body/Frame
car has been lightened by replacing body panels or bumpers with non-stock parts (fiberglass, carbon fiber, etc.) = +10 per body panel
car has been stiffened by reinforcing suspension points (extra bracing, cage tied into suspension points, etc.) = +20
inner or outer long reinforcement: +5
for cars that have been lightened/stiffened beyond the above: please add points as you deem appropriate.
Transmission
non-stock gearing = +15
LSD = +40
Engine/Flywheel/Exhaust/Induction/etc.
Displacement (4cyl)
1.7 - 1.8 = +0
1.9 = +15
2.0 = +30
2.01-2.2 = +45
2.21-2.4 = +60
>2.4 = +75
Displacement (6 cyl)
2.0 = +45
2.01-2.3 = +60
2.31-2.6 = +75
2.7-2.9 = +90
3.0 = +100
3.2 = +125
3.6+ = +150
Induction (ALL CARS with internal combustion engines):*
Stock FI = +0
Stock or non-improved Carbs = +0
Non-stock FI = +15
Non-stock or improved Carbs* = +15
(this includes all dual carbs on T4's)
*for conversions such as SBC/rotary: if the induction
is an improvement over a common version of your
motor (such as a big carb on a V8), add points as
as directed.
Cams (ALL CARS with internal combustion engines):*
stock = +0
non-stock = +20
*for conversions such as SBC/rotary: if the camshaft
is an improvement over a common version of your
motor, add points as directed.
Ignition:
free all classes
Other:
V8 conversion = +70*
*Add additional points for induction and cam
(etc.) if necessary. Exhaust, including
headers, is free.
Rotary/Suby conversion = +75*
*Add additional points for induction, cam and
turbo (etc.) if necessary. Exhaust, including
headers, is free.
Electric conversion = add "Engine" points as you deem appropriate
Other conversion = add points as you deem appropriate
Flywheel (All Cars):
stock = +0
lightened = +5
Forced Induction (All Cars):
car is turbo- or super- charged: +40
Exhaust (All 4cyl and 6cyl):
mufflers: free all classes
headers: +15
Posted by: SirAndy Dec 13 2007, 12:34 AM
Or can I edit my entires?
you can't, but i can ... no need to bail, just send me the corrections and i'll add them in by hand ...
Andy
Posted by: Joe Ricard Dec 13 2007, 06:00 AM
What's your problem Grant still LOSING? so you think you can find a whole point by making accusations?
Where ever you got the idea that I was using PAX points is ridiculous.
XP PAX is stupid high. My Raw times are always top 5 or better. my PAX results are top 20 or better.
Sorry ya'll I know DON'T FEED THE TROLL
Posted by: grantsfo Dec 13 2007, 01:03 PM
No accusations just facts.
You listed PAX time of 57.279 and your buddies PAX time of 57.227 as TTOD. When in fact your raw time was 1:05.537 and TTOD was set by an STU production class car 1:03.139
Open Tire
Number Class Driver Car Penalty PAX
97 STU Drew Boyles BMDubya M3 0 0:51.837
29 GS Ryland Hemphill Mini Pooper S 0 0:52.450
90 BSP Darryl McElrath Corvette 0 0:54.374
57 STX Scott Main Sunfahr 0 0:54.854
07 FJ3 Evan McElrath kart 0 0:55.644
84 ESP Damon Cuccia Mustang Cobra 0 0:55.755
78 BSP Jim Bishop 280ZX 0 0:56.933
126 XP Hassan Malik 914 0 0:57.227
26 XP Joe Ricard 914 0 0:57.279
13 STU Chris Harper M3 0 0:57.375
76 BSP Skip Brunson 280ZX 0 0:58.464
36 XP Christopher Ricard 914 0 0:59.646
184 AM Hassan Malik Mustang Cobra 0 1:05.525
Raw Times
Number Class Driver Car Penalty Raw
97 STU Drew Boyles BMDubya M3 0 1:03.139
90 BSP Darryl McElrath Corvette 0 1:03.744
29 GS Ryland Hemphill Mini Pooper S 0 1:05.317
126 XP Hassan Malik 914 0 1:05.477
184 AM Hassan Malik Mustang Cobra 0 1:05.525
26 XP Joe Ricard 914 0 1:05.537
2 SM2 Tracy Hipp MR2 Spyder 0 1:06.704
All can be validated here:
http://yaketysaxracing.com/msscca/02-25-07.html
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Posted by: Joe Ricard Dec 13 2007, 02:57 PM
Yup you are right I boned it. should I correct it and make the gap between 1st and 2nd bigger?
Posted by: grantsfo Dec 13 2007, 03:20 PM
Yup you are right I boned it. should I correct it and make the gap between 1st and 2nd bigger?
You'd drop to 2nd since the gap is much larger between your raw time and TTOD a couple of seconds as opposed to a couple hundreths. Hell thats the only one I checked who knows if your other times are correct?
But who cares this is all for fun right? You win! CONGTRATS!
Posted by: Joe Ricard Dec 13 2007, 03:23 PM
If I knew I was racing against Grant I would have tried harder.
Posted by: grantsfo Dec 13 2007, 03:28 PM
If I knew I was racing against Grant I would have tried harder.
You just have to explain to me how you let a G Stock Mini Cooper S beat you at the Columbus Freeze.
Posted by: J P Stein Dec 13 2007, 06:58 PM
Super-Modified
Name Points
1 Joe Ricard 492.776
2 Grant K 492.071
3 Michael J. Ticonchuk 487.91
4 Trevor Turner-Rice 473.593
5 Sandy Isaac 425.773
6 Steve Lutz 178.886
7 Andy Schmidt 95.1883
Competitors who have not yet reported a result are hidden.
Britain Smith:
E=entries
ORPCA 3/18 29.065/29.857= 97.3 E 67
4/29 TTOD= 100 E 54
7/27 TTOD= 100 E65
SCCA OR
region 7/1 TTOD= 100 E127
9/1 56.807/59.596 = 95.3 (slacker) E84
SCCA NW
region 7/15 62.730/63.989 98.0 E186
590.6
Now, of course, he didn't enter.......wouldn't have been fair, eh?
Humm.....rule change....best 5 eh?
495.3....damn....still big frog.
Posted by: grantsfo Dec 13 2007, 08:13 PM
Super-Modified
Name Points
1 Joe Ricard 492.776
2 Grant K 492.071
3 Michael J. Ticonchuk 487.91
4 Trevor Turner-Rice 473.593
5 Sandy Isaac 425.773
6 Steve Lutz 178.886
7 Andy Schmidt 95.1883
Competitors who have not yet reported a result are hidden.
Britain Smith:
E=entries
ORPCA 3/18 29.065/29.857= 97.3 E 67
4/29 TTOD= 100 E 54
7/27 TTOD= 100 E65
SCCA OR
region 7/1 TTOD= 100 E127
9/1 56.807/59.596 = 95.3 (slacker) E84
SCCA NW
region 7/15 62.730/63.989 98.0 E186
590.6
Now, of course, he didn't enter.......wouldn't have been fair, eh?
Humm.....rule change....best 5 eh?
495.3....damn....still big frog.
Andrew B or Steve N would have been tied for 1st. I just didnt want Joe R to grab top honors I see you're not too proud of your status JP and had to post somone elses times?
Maybe you should ask Brit to give you some driving lessons? But as you know AX is all about who shows up. I'm the national champ of 914cup 2007 currently because others didnt show up. Not much differnt than real world of AX. LOL!
Posted by: J P Stein Dec 13 2007, 08:30 PM
I'm starting this New Year's resolution early......Don't feed the trolls.
Posted by: grantsfo Dec 13 2007, 08:46 PM
I'm starting this New Year's resolution early......Don't feed the trolls.
Thats OK I troll for beer too.
Posted by: Joe Ricard Dec 14 2007, 07:30 AM
Got to run what ya brung. last winter we were running Goodyear Canti's 430 compound. temps were in the 30's Only tiars I had so that what we run on.
But at least we were racing in the winter.
I am seriously thinking of A6's all around this year 275/35-15. Slicks take too much time to heat up. Leave the slicks for track days when heat is easy to make and tires need to hold up longer.
Posted by: J P Stein Dec 14 2007, 05:53 PM
I am seriously thinking of A6's all around this year 275/35-15. Slicks take too much time to heat up. Leave the slicks for track days when heat is easy to make and tires need to hold up longer.
Ever try to find *light* 10 X 15 wheels? BTDT , no luck...... & good luck with them suckers up front...should you find any. By light I mean some thing like the 4, 10 X16s I have.....12lbs each.....which I no longer run up front.
I asked Greg Fordahl how he was able to make the 10 X 16s work up front on Mr. Gulick's 914. I got some words that didn't make much sense when I digested them....but I've never been the sharpest knife in the drawer....maybe if he talked real slow........
Also.....I asked Hoosier which would get heat more quickly, A6s or R35 slicks. He said the R35s. Maybe if you'd try some new tires rather than castoffs.....but I fergit, you're gonna be a track rat....another DE hero?
Posted by: Joe Ricard Dec 15 2007, 06:46 AM
Hey old bugger,
Remember in a few hours I'll have two cars.
I don't know about that. Kiezer makes the wheel I want for AX only they will serve me well.
I have been doing testing with my pyrometer between my car 2 driver and a competative C5 at Nationals also 2 driver. His tires were in the 120's as were mine. He said he treid slicks and noticed that the car was quicker to point and turn in with the stiffer side wall of the A6. The vette was cooling his rear tires with water after the 2nd run.
With 2 drivers and warm weather I have no problem with grip.
Spring and fall get tougher and without a good co-driver this season I am probably screwed.
Tire science is tough stuff to digest.
Posted by: J P Stein Dec 15 2007, 08:46 AM
Tire science is tough stuff to digest.
That's God's own truth........
I'm not sure I understand everything I think I know.
One thing I think I know is you can't use data from a car that weighs 1200 lbs more than ours. It might be useful for *something*......I have had tires get greasy from heat generated pressure gains, but drop them back down to base pressure and they come back in. I think that is due to reduced contact patch not overheated rubber.
I now keep on top of pressure. It's not unusual to gain 5-7 lbs in the first 3-5 runs.
Slicks seem to get hot quicker (& cool quicker) partially due to having less mass than R specs.
Less tire weight is another bonus. My tire/wheel set ups weighs 30-33 lbs ea.
Posted by: Racer May 28 2008, 04:03 PM
So.. I recalled this thread when looking for my 914 last fall. Now that I have one and the season has begun around here, are folks "playing" in 2008? Signing up regardless... mmm cones
Posted by: Phoenix 914-6GT May 28 2008, 07:44 PM
Yeah... it is going on. Just look in the menus area to find it and input your times. So far my times are good at the events but not so good here. TToD is generally a very fast car that is killing my times here. Damn you Ron Bauer
Posted by: helios May 29 2008, 02:37 PM
What is Ron driving this year?
Posted by: J P Stein May 29 2008, 09:53 PM
The same blue Miata he & Daniels rans last year.
We got our asses kicked last time out.....but it wasn't a straight up fight.
Prolly won't get a shot at em' again till July.
Posted by: Phoenix 914-6GT May 30 2008, 12:57 PM
Yeah.. that miata is pissing me off:D Well that and Leads 914. There is all the cars that run and then they come in about 1 to 2 seconds faster than everyone else.... sometimes. However, one of those two cars does end up getting top time. This last weekend it was some other Miata that has a full cage and 300 Hp with lot of rubber. Looks like crap but goes like a bat out of hell.
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