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Posted by: Randal Dec 4 2008, 11:57 AM
Found a few places that sell the fiberglass targa bars, but no before and after pictures.
Know where there are some pictures?
Thanks.
Posted by: SirAndy Dec 4 2008, 07:01 PM
I know Roger Sheridan makes one but i'm not sure which of the cars on his website have it installed.
Just email him and ask, he's usually very good at getting back to people ...
Andy
914 FIBERGLASS TARGA BAR $450.00 (APPROX. WEIGHT 4 LBS.)
http://www.ultimate914.com/MOTORSPORTS_WE/STANDARD_BODYx.html
Posted by: Randal Dec 4 2008, 09:35 PM
I know Roger Sheridan makes one but i'm not sure which of the cars on his website have it installed.
Just email him and ask, he's usually very good at getting back to people ...
Andy914 FIBERGLASS TARGA BAR $450.00 (APPROX. WEIGHT 4 LBS.)
http://www.ultimate914.com/MOTORSPORTS_WE/STANDARD_BODYx.html
Thanks Andy.
I'm not sure whether or not it makes sense to cut the targa top off. If you do you have to add cross members to effect the same load carried by the targa roof. Net weight gain might not be that much. This might be one of those projects that take a huge amount of time, but not much gain...
Posted by: SirAndy Dec 5 2008, 01:28 AM
But the weight is high in the car. Plus, the cage is already taking some of that load. I would think a lower brace across the top of the firewall together with scab plates from the firewall to the cage should be enough for that area.
Your cage does tie into the rear shock towers, right?
Andy
Posted by: URY914 Dec 5 2008, 08:08 AM
There is A LOT of steel in the targa bar. Cut off if you can. But please add back a f/g one. 914's look stupid w/o the t-bar.
Posted by: Randal Dec 5 2008, 01:23 PM
But the weight is high in the car. Plus, the cage is already taking some of that load. I would think a lower brace across the top of the firewall together with scab plates from the firewall to the cage should be enough for that area.
Your cage does tie into the rear shock towers, right?
AndyNot yet, that is the base project, i.e, to tie the front and rear shock towers to the cage.
I am also eliminating the (upper) front hoop, so nothing will be in front of the driver.
Will be adding a down tube from the (top of) back hoop to the top of the front hoop, which resides below the streering wheel.
I already have big scab plates and a triangle forward to brace the front hoop.
I'll post a picture.
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Posted by: Randal Dec 5 2008, 01:26 PM
There is A LOT of steel in the targa bar. Cut off if you can. But please add back a f/g one. 914's look stupid w/o the t-bar.
Hey Paul,
I'm trying to find a picture of a 914 without the targa bar, but no luck so far, but I believe you about the car looking stupid without the bar.
I can't even find a picture of a f/g one or how they are attached.
Posted by: URY914 Dec 5 2008, 01:48 PM
I have some shots of non-Tbar cars on the home PC.
On my car I cut off the seam that runs up the back side of the panel (the area that the aluminum trim piece covers) and peeled the face steel off sail panel. The single layer of steel weighs very little. Do the same with the T-bar top section.
Posted by: URY914 Dec 5 2008, 06:06 PM
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Posted by: J P Stein Dec 6 2008, 01:54 PM
I don't dislike the targa bar removed except for the feeling it looses the distinctiveness of the 914....whether that is good or bad is subjective.
I need to loose about 150lbs from the shitbox to get to E Mod minimum. The targa bar is in danger with its 18 or so lbs. Thus far I've only got about 65lbs on a short list.
Posted by: Randal Dec 7 2008, 11:54 AM
I don't dislike the targa bar removed except for the feeling it looses the distinctiveness of the 914....whether that is good or bad is subjective.
I need to loose about 150lbs from the shitbox to get to E Mod minimum. The targa bar is in danger with its 18 or so lbs. Thus far I've only got about 65lbs on a short list.
E-Mod minimum? What weight is that JP? Oh, maybe you're saying the weight loss necessary to be competitive in E-Mod.
My next big decision, after the "subjective"Targa bar one is losing all the fenders and going for f/g ones.
Bontempi has a body kit that can be made real thin. I'll have to ask him what the total kit weighs so net loss can be figured out.
Posted by: J P Stein Dec 7 2008, 02:17 PM
Minimum weight is 1750 with driver or around 1575 without.
The loss of 150 lbs would get me there but that alone is not enough to get to competitive at the national level. I'd also need better tires and a way to get them to work under the car. I'm gonna do some trans mods which I hope will help. Some top drawer shocks.......I need a lotto win the whole package.
Not much to be gained with FG fenders, me thinks......but I've been wrong before. The whole Sheridan body kit would be a big help....pricy sumbitch tho and some well thought out reinforcements to replace the missing metal.
Posted by: SirAndy Dec 7 2008, 02:17 PM
Bontempi has a body kit that can be made real thin.
Hmmm, i really like the current look of your car ...
Maybe stockish FG fenders with FG flares riveted to them?
Andy
Posted by: URY914 Dec 7 2008, 02:40 PM
You need some of my door skins.
Posted by: J P Stein Dec 7 2008, 03:27 PM
You need some of my door skins.
How much dollars American?
How'd you do at the Flordia AX Championship?
Posted by: URY914 Dec 7 2008, 05:57 PM
A guy showed up with a real DM car and kicked my ass. It was a former DSR that weighed 800 pounds and had a 1000cc Yamaha in it. 
But I had a bigger wing....
I'll PM you about the skins
Posted by: Randal Dec 7 2008, 08:25 PM
Minimum weight is 1750 with driver or around 1575 without.
The loss of 150 lbs would get me there but that alone is not enough to get to competitive at the national level. I'd also need better tires and a way to get them to work under the car. I'm gonna do some trans mods which I hope will help. Some top drawer shocks.......I need a lotto win the whole package.
Not much to be gained with FG fenders, me thinks......but I've been wrong before. The whole Sheridan body kit would be a big help....pricy sumbitch tho and some well thought out reinforcements to replace the missing metal.
You mean that E Mod SCCA guy with the Sprint is 1575# without the driver?
Posted by: J P Stein Dec 7 2008, 09:22 PM
Sprint?....Sprite.......I gotta look at the book.
Oops, we can be at 1700 with driver. The Sprite is a bit tougher,
2 rotor is 1700, 3 rotor is 1800.....minus 50 lbs if less than 51 % of its weight is over the rear wheels. This is last year's, 2007, rule book. I think they made some changes for 2008. Gotta go online to look at that.
Posted by: Randal Dec 8 2008, 12:59 AM
A guy showed up with a real DM car and kicked my ass. It was a former DSR that weighed 800 pounds and had a 1000cc Yamaha in it.
But I had a bigger wing....
I'll PM you about the skins
What do the skins weight Paul and how are they attached?
Thanks.
Posted by: Randal Dec 8 2008, 01:16 AM
Sprint?....Sprite.......I gotta look at the book.
Oops, we can be at 1700 with driver. The Sprite is a bit tougher,
2 rotor is 1700, 3 rotor is 1800.....minus 50 lbs if less than 51 % of its weight is over the rear wheels. This is last year's, 2007, rule book. I think they made some changes for 2008. Gotta go online to look at that.
Right, a Sprite.
If they say that the minimum weight has to be X with the driver or Y without, how does that work? It can't be either or as that would give the creative folks a big advantage.
Also are you saying that if my car has 51% of it's weight over the rear wheels that I could go down to 1650# with the driver?
Posted by: byndbad914 Dec 8 2008, 02:41 AM
... The targa bar is in danger with its 18 or so lbs...
Is that really all that the targa section weighs if you cut the whole thing off? I have to admit I assumed a lot more but wouldn't be surprised given how they intelligently boxed every section.
I have to admit I am always rather amazed how efficient the 914 base structure is - I start looking to hack weight out of my car and realize I could spend another $2K in fiberglass bits and save maybe 60-70lbs overall v. just working the existing steel parts.
Posted by: J P Stein Dec 8 2008, 06:49 AM
At SCCA events (Tour & Nats) the car is weighed with the driver in it for the Mod classes.
LESS that 51% on the drive wheels gets you a 50 lb reduction......that would be N/A for a 914, but the Sprite might get it.
I've heard 12 to 18 lbs for the Targa bar.....you pick one.
Posted by: URY914 Dec 8 2008, 07:11 AM
Randal,
Skins are 5-8 pounds. No provisions for hinges. You can attach them with dzus or chop up a factory door to use the hinges. They are only the outer skin.
Posted by: J P Stein Dec 8 2008, 06:41 PM
Randal,
Skins are 5-8 pounds. No provisions for hinges. You can attach them with dzus or chop up a factory door to use the hinges. They are only the outer skin.
Dollars, American? per pair?.....WAG, clue?
Posted by: URY914 Dec 8 2008, 09:45 PM
Between $80-100 each. Cheaper when you buy 2 at once. There are other sources also.
Posted by: Randal Dec 9 2008, 05:34 PM
Between $80-100 each. Cheaper when you buy 2 at once. There are other sources also.
Hey Paul, I'm assuming you have these on your car and if so could you post a close up of how they are attached.
Thank you.
Posted by: J P Stein Dec 9 2008, 06:14 PM
Between $80-100 each. Cheaper when you buy 2 at once. There are other sources also.
I think I'd want the light ones @ 16.00 per pound rather than the heavy ones @ 12.50 per pound.
I'll get back to you after I see what the wife has done at Christmas.
Posted by: URY914 Dec 9 2008, 07:45 PM
Randal,
They are mounted on my car a LITTLE different than most 914's....
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Posted by: URY914 Dec 9 2008, 07:56 PM
I used four dzus fasteners to hold it on when the skins were on in place of the stock doors.
This is about the only old picture I can find of it.
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Posted by: URY914 Dec 9 2008, 07:58 PM
Joe Ricard had a pair of my skins mounted to the door frame so he could still use the hinges. Although I've never seen a picture of them.
Posted by: URY914 Dec 9 2008, 08:19 PM
Compare...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-914-Fiberglass-Door-Skins_
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Posted by: grantsfo Dec 16 2008, 02:22 AM
Here's a cheaper version. http://rennspd.com/P_Detail.asp?PID=376&Task=STD
Nice to see somone take Emod seriously with a 914. Go Randal!
Posted by: Randal Dec 19 2008, 08:36 PM
Randal,
They are mounted on my car a LITTLE different than most 914's....
Now that panel would weigh a lot less than standard fenders and door, but lots of work to incorporate the panel - if I wanted to retain the cf hood and trunk.
It does get one to thinking, but now I understand how your car got to be mostly tube frames Paul.
Posted by: Rob Ways Dec 25 2008, 10:04 PM
Randal... I'll PM or email you with picts....
Posted by: J P Stein Dec 27 2008, 08:09 AM
Rob, how are you doing with that new race car?
Plans, pix?
Posted by: Joe Ricard Dec 27 2008, 04:55 PM
Yep I got some of them FG skins. I put them on gutted late doors.
Actually not completely gutted as I still had roll up window using early winders. I just bonded the FG to where the buggered up steel outer was. No outer door handle, just a hole to poke a screw driver through.
With both pieces of glass each door was 21 pounds.
Posted by: blabla914 Dec 31 2008, 07:31 PM
Randal,
They are mounted on my car a LITTLE different than most 914's....
Paul,
That is a really creative take on the rule that says the door may be attached with dzus fasteners, but must be removable. I love it.
Kelly
Posted by: URY914 Dec 31 2008, 07:42 PM
Randal,
They are mounted on my car a LITTLE different than most 914's....
Paul,
That is a really creative take on the rule that says the door may be attached with dzus fasteners, but must be removable. I love it.
Kelly
Rules never made anybody faster. You can quote me on that one.
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