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AX helmets, snell rating |
Aaron Cox |
Oct 10 2004, 10:39 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
M2000 or SA2000? would moto ones work?
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VegasRacer |
Oct 10 2004, 10:48 PM
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ELVIRA Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,524 Joined: 27-March 03 From: Between Scylla and Charybdis Member No.: 481 Region Association: None |
HELMET RATINGS
SA Rated Helmets: Snell "SA" (Sports Application) rated professional helmets are designed for auto racing and provide extreme impact resistance and higher fire protection. M Rated Helmets: Snell "M" (Motorcycle) rated helmets are designed for motorcycling and other motorsports. They offer slightly less protection than SA rated helmets. What are the key differences between SA and M Rated Helmets: SA standard requires flammability test while the M standard does not. SA standard has rollbar impact test while M standard does not. SA standard allows narrower visual field than M standard (Some SA helmets aren't street legal). |
Aaron Cox |
Oct 10 2004, 10:49 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
didnt completely answer question. would M2000 work for AX
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anthony |
Oct 10 2004, 11:03 PM
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2270 club Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,107 Joined: 1-February 03 From: SF Bay Area, CA Member No.: 218 |
Yes, most likely. Check the rule book where you autoX to be sure.
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dbelleperc |
Oct 11 2004, 02:41 AM
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DoN't MaKe FuN oF mE i Am SlOw Group: Members Posts: 61 Joined: 12-March 03 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 418 |
How about this one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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ArtechnikA |
Oct 11 2004, 05:05 AM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
the answer is ALWAYS 'check with your sanctioning body.'
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GaroldShaffer |
Oct 11 2004, 08:03 AM
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You bought another 914? Group: Benefactors Posts: 7,624 Joined: 27-June 03 From: Portage, IN Member No.: 865 Region Association: None |
If you plan to do ANY track time you need a SA rated helmet. Most SCCA regions you can use a M helmet for AXing but NOT when you do any track time.
I just started AXing this year, but I went with a SA helmet. I know there will be some track time / DE events for me next year so I spent some $$ for a SA helmet. Edit: Damn, I really need spell check..... <_< This post has been edited by itsa914: Oct 11 2004, 08:05 AM Attached image(s) |
jdogg |
Oct 11 2004, 08:31 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 431 Joined: 28-January 03 From: Youngsville, NC Member No.: 204 |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Go ahead and spring for the SA now, it will save you down the road. When I bought my last helmet, all that was required for our club's track events was an M rated helmet, but that has been revised. So now I need to dig into the 914 account for an SA helmet this winter......
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seanery |
Oct 11 2004, 08:54 AM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
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Don't buy your helmet without first trying it on. Different manufacturers sizes are different and you need a helmet that FITS. This isn't a time to skimp. You know the old $10 head statement right? |
URY914 |
Oct 11 2004, 09:03 AM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 121,038 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
Also be careful with open face helmets. The can be very confusing when putting them on. See here...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Paul Attached image(s) |
seanery |
Oct 11 2004, 09:04 AM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
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Sammy |
Oct 11 2004, 09:14 AM
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. Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Orange, Ca Member No.: 178 |
I bought a G-force SA2000 open faced helmet for around $150, they have full faced for under $200.
Good stuff. BTW I have never bought into that $10 helmet/$10 head scam, it was a marketing trick to sell expensive helmets. All helmets are tested to certain specifications. They have to meet the spec or they don't get the rating. We need to focus on which specification is correct, not the price of the helmet. I sincerely do not believe that a $350 simpson will not protect your noggin any better than a $200 g-force with the same rating. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) |
URY914 |
Oct 11 2004, 09:19 AM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 121,038 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
Helmets are rated (SA, M) but so are the wears of said helmet
The wearer above is rated DA. Paul |
Aaron Cox |
Oct 11 2004, 10:20 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(URY914 @ Oct 11 2004, 08:19 AM) Helmets are rated (SA, M) but so are the wears of said helmet The wearer above is rated DA. Paul DA = dumbass miles sent me that pic too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
ArtechnikA |
Oct 11 2004, 10:31 AM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Sammy @ Oct 11 2004, 07:14 AM) I sincerely do not believe that a $350 simpson will not protect your noggin any better than a $200 g-force with the same rating. the ratings are minimums... some of the higher-end helmets are made of lighter materials (e.g. Kevlar, CF...) and one recommendation is to buy the lightest helmet you can afford. that said, i bought a forced-air ventilation G-Force helmet for my wife, and when my SA95 Bell times out in 2006, i'll probably get one just like it for myself. |
seanery |
Oct 11 2004, 11:09 AM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
what I meant by my comment was...don't save $50 by using an M helmet when the SA is really what you need. $50 isn't worth it IMHO.
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Sammy |
Oct 12 2004, 04:45 PM
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. Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Orange, Ca Member No.: 178 |
Yup, I agree. Good points. I know people who spend decent money on an M2000 helmet, only to buy an SA2000 helmet less than a year later.
I believe the SA rating calls for Kevlar reinforced plastic and nomex lining for fire resistance. |
ArtechnikA |
Oct 12 2004, 04:53 PM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Sammy @ Oct 12 2004, 02:45 PM) I believe the SA rating calls for Kevlar reinforced plastic and nomex lining for fire resistance. for sure it requires fire-resistance, don't know that it requires Nomex by name although that is typically how the standard is met. i don't think Kevlar is required, just a specific level of impact resistance. all the standards are here. i'd check it out personally the but PDF reader on this particular comupter is buggy and hangs... i'll peruse it later, i've been looking for this link for a while ... [later happened... there's good stuff there. of note just from the first couple of pages: Snell tests are Pass/Fail and passing helmets are not ranked. therefore, there MAY be a range from "just barely passed" to "passed by a wide margin" but you won't be finding that data on the Snell site. and this, from the forward, in bold there just like it is here: This Standard does not establish construction and material specifications. The Foundation does not recommend specific materials or designs. ] |
GTeener |
Oct 12 2004, 05:03 PM
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Seems ironic that motorcycle helmets provide slightly less protection than SA helmets, considering there is more vehicle protection in a car than on a motorcycle (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
I was using an outdated helmet for my first year of AX and no one ever checked (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Couldn't get away with that one at the DE event last June though. They said M rating was acceptable, though, so I had to shell out for an approved helmet. Attached image(s) |
ArtechnikA |
Oct 12 2004, 05:46 PM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(GTeener @ Oct 12 2004, 03:03 PM) Seems ironic that motorcycle helmets provide slightly less protection than SA helmets... it is not necessarily less protection, but it is (possibly) different protection... motorcycles typically do not need fire resistance, so by testing to a standard that does not require it, the expensive aramid fabrics can be left out of the liners. similarly, motorcycles need much more peripheral vision and M helmets can have larger eyeports than you'll typically see on a SA helmet. |
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