For a late model 914?

Thanks.


Mutt

Doesn't Pelican offer them still?

if you're talking about the heat-exchangers, i'd go with a set of the 2.0L SSI stainless steel ones. for a later car (75+) you would also have to get a new muffler as your old one won't fit.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Andy

greg.treadway ought to jump in on this any moment now...

you'll only get the 75-6 heat exchangers used.

BUT, as andy mentioned, backdating to the earlier style is the trick setup. flows better, more power, less heat stays in the heads. more common to find.

or, if you can live without heat, you can get a header system for about the same cost, and free up even more power.

Hi,

Where can I get these SSI heat exchangers? And, where does one get the muffler to go with? Is there any modification that must happen too? I'll be having someone else do the work.

Thanks!

And, no, Pelican doesnt carry these anymore for the 4.

HPH should have brand new SSI heat exchangers....you can also post an WTB ad in the classifieds...

if a '76, you still need to have the cat on there for smog

interesting that they don't sell them anymore. i know for a fact that john at SSI has at least another 100 pairs of them sitting in storage ...

Stainless Systems Inc
(415) 883-2000
20 Pamaron Way
Novato, CA 94949


i don't think he usually sells to end-users tho ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Andy

To use the 2.0 heat exchangers (or SSIs) on a 75-76 914 (either 1.8 or 2.0), you will need:

The 2.0 exchangers
The 2.0 muffler
The 2.0 muffler hanger
2 muffler gaskets
4 2.0 exhaust gaskets (the copper rings)
8 exhaust nuts (usually best to replace them)
All of the heater hardware except for some hoses. That means--

• 2 S-shaped ducts from the fan shroud to the exchangers
• 2 J-shaped tubes from the large holes in the engine tin to the S-ducts
• 2 Extension pipes from the exchangers to the flapper valves
• 2 Flapper valves
• 2 Hoses from the flapper valves to the heater channels in the chassis

You can actually use the 75-76 flapper valves and the hoses; but the flappers can be a real pain to remove from the late exchangers (or the early extension pipes), and the hoses often need to be replaced anyway.

If you don't get the heater hardware, the exhaust will still function--but the heat won't.

--DD

AutoAtlanta has the SS heat exchangers in stock. You can also get them at GPR. We usually mount a Bursch muffler to them.

i knew someone was still selling them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Mutt, if you buy a set, make sure you get the SSI exchangers, they are superior quality over any other stainless steel exchangers i have seen so far ...

i also second the idea of looking here in our classifieds or on ebay first, they do come up from time to time (and they don't rust! so used ones are OK) ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Andy

"Nathanstradamus"

What an amazing prophecy. How did you predict that one? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Ladies and Gentleman,

A big hand to Dave Darling for actually offering useful information to the thread bearer! (without plugging Pelican Parts... amazing)

Way ta go Dave! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)

(and yes, I'm keeping score... useful, helpful posts now = 1 1/2 see below)

My personal preference is to get really nice factory heat exchangers and have them Jet-Hot coated. SSI's if properly installed are a lifetime part, which is a big plus, though. I have sold several new sets of SSI's, with satisfied customers.

The exhaust flanges on the factory units are twice the thickness of the SSI's, so they have been know to deform if over torqued. I don't know of anyone that's deformed a factory h/e from over torqing the exhaust nuts. In addition the little angle pieces that are welded on the SSI's, where the exhaust studs pass through, have been know to break off at the welds. Again, I don't think you could break off this part of the factory units. I'll see if I can get some pics this w/e of the exhaust flanges of the SSI's and the factory h/e's.

I don't like the Bursch, they are just louder, and start rusting the day after you install them. Get either a Leistritz or Dansk stainless 2.0 muffler, not as noisy and makes good power.

This is just my .02.

Your results may vary, and if so please post and tell us all about it!

I was unaware that Dansk offered a SS bannana for the /4? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I agree that the Dansk is also a good alternative. I like the Bursch myself and both are readily available. The SSI heat exchangers are also going up in price in the new year - cost of making them and such.

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Another alternative would be to bolt up mufflers directly to the heat exchangers. I would probably only do this if autocrossing or racing, but it does sound cool on the car.

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Just to be clear, since no one directly answered my Question, does Dansk or anyone for that matter, make an OE replica "bananna" muffler for the /4 in stainless? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

i don't think so ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

john hasn't made a single production run for the 1.7/1.8/2.0 SSI HE's in 10+ years or so.
he has about 100 pairs of 2.0L HE's left in storage and that is all there is and probably all there ever will be.
i don't think he's planning on doing a new production run any time soon.


that pretty much excludes cost of production as a price factor ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Andy

everyone is using the cost of materials as an excuse to raise their profits...I don't see John making any more /4 parts at all...he knows the market is pretty dead, or at least dead enough not to go back into production on something that is going to sit on a shelf for 10 years

Yes, someone does. Mittelmotor in Germany makes and sells an SS banana muffler. It is supposed to be near stock in sound and power; perhaps a little bit more in each department than stock. I don't know if Dansk makes an SS version or not.

Greg, I feel that separate mufflers on the heat exchangers is not a very good idea. It sounds like crap (IMHO; no offense to the guy at the WCC who had a similar setup) and there is essentially no way to get the exhaust pulses to "help each other out". At least the two Supertrapp version was very light...

--DD