Some progress at last!, let the welding begin... |
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Some progress at last!, let the welding begin... |
gaz914 |
Jan 2 2005, 06:38 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 67 Joined: 6-March 04 From: Sydney, Australia Member No.: 1,758 Region Association: None |
Well after looking at all the great pics of everyone else's project, I finally got myself a MIG welder and a cool auto-darkening welding helmet.
Practised on some scrap first then bit the bullet and moved to the real thing. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.gaz914.com-1758-1634533814.1.JPG) Only minor stuff first. Weld up holes in sail panel. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.gaz914.com-1758-1634533814.2.JPG) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.gaz914.com-1758-1634533814.3.JPG) More Pics soon <!-- emo&:clap: -->(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/clap.gif)<!-- endemo --> 2005 Year of the Tangerine <!-- emo&:trophy: -->(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)<!-- endemo --> |
Rhodes71/914 |
Jan 2 2005, 10:32 AM
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Glacier Group: Members Posts: 1,374 Joined: 8-August 04 From: End of the Road, Alaska Member No.: 2,482 |
Cool, Looks like I need to get myself a welder, finally have an excuse now.
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RustyWa |
Jan 2 2005, 01:59 PM
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Working Member Group: Members Posts: 610 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Kent, WA Member No.: 72 |
I was in the garage last night practicing my welding as I've got to weld in the triangle reinforcement pads for the front swaybar. I did some real nice practice welds on the bench. I was feeling pretty good as they were some of my best.
Then I remembered that I'll need to do vertical welds. So I practiced doing vertical and boy was that humbling. My welds turned back to crap. I couldn't control the puddle as it would keep falling out. I ran out of gas so I'll have to wait to practice some more. If anyone has tips for welding 16-18 ga. material vertical...I'm all ears. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/welder.gif) |
gaz914 |
Jan 2 2005, 11:29 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 67 Joined: 6-March 04 From: Sydney, Australia Member No.: 1,758 Region Association: None |
Welded up the hole for the lamp on the RHF fender.
Still needs some more smoothing. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.gaz914.com-1758-1634533903.1.JPG) Started investigating the rust in the cowl area <!-- emo&:huh: -->(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/huh.gif)<!-- endemo --> It had rusted in the usual place where the fender meets the cowl. The rest of the fender is pretty much perfect so I was not intending to remove it. Good news is that the rust hasn't spread to the actual tub <!-- emo&:D -->(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)<!-- endemo --> Don't know if it's better or worse now though <!-- emo&:headbang: -->(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif)<!-- endemo --> Any repair technique suggestions welcome. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.gaz914.com-1758-1634533903.2.JPG) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.gaz914.com-1758-1634533903.3.JPG) |
Rhodes71/914 |
Jan 2 2005, 11:38 PM
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Glacier Group: Members Posts: 1,374 Joined: 8-August 04 From: End of the Road, Alaska Member No.: 2,482 |
Sorry I can't help you with any advice cause I'm new to rust repair as well. But I saw that you are an Aussie and I'm sitting here drinking a Coopers Brewery Best Extra Stout that my in-laws brought me and it ain't bad. This considered decent stuff there? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer3.gif)
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gaz914 |
Jan 3 2005, 02:36 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 67 Joined: 6-March 04 From: Sydney, Australia Member No.: 1,758 Region Association: None |
Coopers is" decent stuff" here (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif) The "boys" have one or two on Christmas Day every year before we start on the red wine (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) |
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Jason914 |
Jan 3 2005, 05:43 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 28-December 04 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 3,359 |
Looking good! I was planning to purchase a Lincoln Mig Pak 10 welder. But, I saw that Eastwood Company sells a Spot and Stitch Welding Set for Arc Welders (cheaper). It's at this link: Spot And Stitch Welder Set With Rods. What do you guys think about this setup?
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lapuwali |
Jan 3 2005, 12:09 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743 |
I bought one of those, primarily because the job I need to do will specifically require spot welding from one side of the panel, which this setup is ideal for. However, for general purpose use, a MIG welder is much easier to use, and you can "spot" weld with one by drilling a hole in one panel and rosette welding through the hole. Stick welders are cheap, but they're probably the most difficult of all of the welder types to use. I'll probably end up getting a MIG when I need to do something that requires much seam welding on panels. I'll probably give the stitch welder a try, but I'm not going to care much if I can't make it work well. The spot welder bit is worth the price by itself.
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gaz914 |
Jan 5 2005, 04:09 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 67 Joined: 6-March 04 From: Sydney, Australia Member No.: 1,758 Region Association: None |
I like staying home from work - lets me do some REAL work (on the teener) <!-- emo&:D -->(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)<!-- endemo -->
POR 15'd the cowl after cleaning up the rust and welding up some holes. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.gaz914.com-1758-1634533991.1.jpg) Made up some pieces to repair the inner fender and welded them in. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.gaz914.com-1758-1634533991.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.gaz914.com-1758-1634533991.3.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.gaz914.com-1758-1634533991.4.JPG) The only way I could think to do it was to use two pieces. The first vertical piece (green highlight) was welded to the remains of the inner fender. Then a patch was welded to fill up the hole (orange highlight). Not the best job in the world but it won't be seen when the outer skin is repaired. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.gaz914.com-1758-1634533992.5.jpg) POR 15'd that as well (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.gaz914.com-1758-1634533992.6.jpg) Now just have to make some pieces to fix the cowl and the outer skin of the fender. |
xsboost90 |
Jan 5 2005, 05:59 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,393 Joined: 2-August 04 From: cincinnati Member No.: 2,432 |
wow, that looks just like what i did! Except here was my solution for making the last piece! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sawzall-smiley.gif)
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xsboost90 |
Jan 5 2005, 06:01 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,393 Joined: 2-August 04 From: cincinnati Member No.: 2,432 |
i did the same thing w/ the markers and the tops of the fenders, except i have still to weld up some small holes in the lower fender area, seems to be a PITA.
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Root_Werks |
Jan 5 2005, 10:03 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,456 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Sounds like you are letting the metal "pool" a little too much. The easiest welding to do of course is like you are welding on the floor facing down. It gets harder as you turn to hot metal dripping as you weld above you. Try shorter bursts. Give the metal a second to cool and stop flowing so much. Zap, zap, zap sort of thing. Not ZAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/welder.gif) |
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spunone |
Jan 5 2005, 11:57 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 945 Joined: 6-April 04 From: Anaheim CA Member No.: 1,901 Region Association: Southern California |
Heard there's a softer wire to use when doing body work so as much easier to sand is this true and where do we get it ??? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/welder.gif)
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914GT |
Jan 5 2005, 12:26 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,100 Joined: 11-October 04 From: Tucson Member No.: 2,923 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I don't know the difference between mild steel and low alloy wire when it comes to ease of grinding welds. Your local welding supplier will have the wire and may know if one is easier to grind/sand than the other. You can buy wire online also. One thing I have noticed though - welds are easier to grind when using CO2 gas rather than the Argon/CO2 blends. Each gas has their benefits depending on your requirements.
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restore2seater |
Jan 5 2005, 01:10 PM
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Future 914 copilot. Group: Members Posts: 311 Joined: 30-October 04 From: Dunlap,IL Member No.: 3,037 Region Association: None |
Maybe talking about this wire. 20 Gauge |
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J P Stein |
Jan 5 2005, 01:30 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
I use a product called "Easy Grind"..... .024.....for auto sheet metal. It's just that, somewhat easier to grind.
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gaz914 |
Jan 7 2005, 12:23 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 67 Joined: 6-March 04 From: Sydney, Australia Member No.: 1,758 Region Association: None |
No progress on Thursday - Did this instead <!-- emo&:driving: -->(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif)<!-- endemo --> (I'm in the 2nd car in 1st pic)
Basically they throw the circuit open for the day and you get a number of 20 minute sessions (feels like about 5 minutes). Through the little kink at about 140 km/h (80 mph). Trail brake to get the back moving out a bit This bloody Mustang wouldn't move over and let me past. I was much faster through the twisty bits and could even keep up down the straight, just wasn't fast enough to actually pass him. Other cars have caught up now Braking hard into turn 1 from about 80 mph |
gaz914 |
Jan 7 2005, 12:33 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 67 Joined: 6-March 04 From: Sydney, Australia Member No.: 1,758 Region Association: None |
Today I made a new piece for the cowl area.
I am sure it isn't EXACTLY the shape that came from the factory but I am reasonably pleased with the result. And it took me most of the day to do <!-- emo&:headbang: -->(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif)<!-- endemo --> (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.gaz914.com-1758-1634534941.1.jpg) This thread has been invaluable in getting the cowl back into shape. Pics of front trunk thread Hopefully I will have finished the RH fender before I go back to work on Monday <!-- emo&:( -->(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)<!-- endemo --> |
SpecialK |
Jan 7 2005, 02:39 AM
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aircraft surgeon Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,211 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Pacific, MO Member No.: 1,797 |
Enough playin' gaz914 (if that is your real name (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) ), I want to see how this turns out!
I seriously like the one piece fender/cowl look xsboost90 has going there. Plus, it's one less rust trap.....considering that look myself (no concourse...previously molested, she's been around! So what the hell (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/welder.gif) ) Seriously...Great to see pics of progress! |
gaz914 |
Jan 7 2005, 07:05 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 67 Joined: 6-March 04 From: Sydney, Australia Member No.: 1,758 Region Association: None |
Yeah it is tempting to just go to town and (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/welder.gif) and make the "clean" look like xsboost90 has done, but there is the "do it right" part as well... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif) Just have to have a go and see how it turns out (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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