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OT - Mozilla Firefox, running it now, same difference |
machina |
Jan 20 2005, 10:29 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,030 Joined: 21-June 03 From: Miami Beach, FL Member No.: 848 |
thought i'd try firefox, doesn't seem faster but it is simpler, however it uses more resources than IE.
firefox reports 26,000k mem usage while IE reports 14,000k mem usage. I thought firefox was supposed to be more efficient and compact. any other benefits or drawbacks? is it safer or more resistant to attacks etc? |
SirAndy |
Jan 20 2005, 10:32 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,688 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
yepp, noticed that too. takes longer to load and eats up more ressources. security benefits? um, yeah, like, it doesn't run background ActiveX or vb-scripts, you know, the kind of stuff that installs spyware & adware on your computer ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool.gif) Andy |
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machina |
Jan 20 2005, 10:36 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,030 Joined: 21-June 03 From: Miami Beach, FL Member No.: 848 |
that's good to know.
i noticed that when ie opens, some other processes start also, so maybe the memory hit is spread out instead of being reported as one app. what's the safe tool these days to clean spyware without f'ng up your system? |
JmuRiz |
Jan 20 2005, 10:41 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,434 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I've used Spybot, you can download it from their site or others. It lists the spyware products it found and lets you decide which to delete, so it's your fault if you delete something :-D But it's worked well for me.
Spybot download It's a free download, you don't have to donate to them FYI |
d7n7master |
Jan 20 2005, 10:51 AM
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Gary# Group: Members Posts: 663 Joined: 13-March 03 From: The O.C, Ca. Member No.: 421 |
Also try AdAware SE. There's a free version @ http://www.lavasoft.com
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SirAndy |
Jan 20 2005, 11:03 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,688 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) Spybot - Search & Destroy ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/fighting19.gif) Andy |
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mohnliting |
Jan 20 2005, 11:07 AM
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INWIA Group: Members Posts: 28 Joined: 1-January 05 From: Elk Grove, CA Member No.: 3,388 |
I've been using Spybot Search and Destroy for a couple of years and I agree, it works great. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wavey.gif)
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Brando |
Jan 20 2005, 11:14 AM
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BUY MY SPARE KIDNEY!!! Group: Members Posts: 3,935 Joined: 29-August 04 From: Santa Ana, CA Member No.: 2,648 Region Association: Southern California |
Also, IE seems faster because it's integrated into windows. Most of the APIs it uses are already running as windows. Firefox on the other hand isn't. I think they have a little preloader that lets you do that.
Also, try these things to speed up firefox on BROADBAND: in the address bar, type in about:config scroll down until you see network.http.pipelining, double-click to set this to true scroll down until you see network.pipelining.maxrequests, double-click and set this to something like 30. scroll down until you see network.http.proxy.pipelining, set this to true. then: right-click anywhere in the window of settings, select New > Integer. name it nglayout.initialpaint.delay, set it to 0. Close firefox, open it back up, and notice the speed difference in web browsing. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
Part Pricer |
Jan 20 2005, 11:21 AM
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Believe everything I post Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,825 Joined: 28-December 02 From: Danbury, CT Member No.: 35 |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) Brando's steps/settings will greatly enhance the experience for broadband users.
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McMark |
Jan 20 2005, 11:57 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
What's spyware? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) I ain't got no spyware.
Damn another Windows innovation that us Mac users miss out on. I WANT SPYWARE! That must be the Windows has more software argument. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif) Had to say something.... Steve Jobs made me do it. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif) |
michel richard |
Jan 20 2005, 12:17 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,291 Joined: 22-July 03 From: Longueuil, Québec Member No.: 936 |
Many many fewer pop-ups with Mozi. Made a significant difference for me.
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Aaron Cox |
Jan 20 2005, 12:25 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
I use mozilla now. im sold.
i just tried brando's suggestion...dont really notice a difference ( i hvae t3 here at school) i also use BOTH adaware SE and SpyBot S&D |
vortrex |
Jan 20 2005, 12:26 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,687 Joined: 24-December 02 From: SF, CA Member No.: 4 Region Association: None |
just made brando's changes, big difference for me. thanks!
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machina |
Jan 20 2005, 12:46 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,030 Joined: 21-June 03 From: Miami Beach, FL Member No.: 848 |
just stumbled on this at cornercarver.com
maybe I should cut my DSL and just go back to AM radio (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) Secunia Advisory: SA12526 Release Date: 2004-09-14 Last Update: 2004-09-15 Critical: Highly critical Impact: Cross Site Scripting Manipulation of data Exposure of sensitive information System access Where: From remote Solution Status: Vendor Patch Software: Mozilla 0.x Mozilla 1.0 Mozilla 1.1 Mozilla 1.2 Mozilla 1.3 Mozilla 1.4 Mozilla 1.5 Mozilla 1.6 Mozilla 1.7.x Mozilla Firefox 0.x Mozilla Thunderbird 0.x Select a product and view a complete list of all Patched/Unpatched Secunia advisories affecting it. Description: Details have been released about several vulnerabilities in Mozilla, Mozilla Firefox, and Thunderbird. These can potentially be exploited by malicious people to conduct cross-site scripting attacks, access and modify sensitive information, and compromise a user's system. 1) Various boundary errors in "nsMsgCompUtils.cpp" can be exploited to cause heap-based buffer overflows when a specially crafted e-mail is forwarded. Successful exploitation can potentially lead to execution of arbitrary code. 2) Insufficient restrictions on script generated events on text fields can be exploited to read and write content from and to the clipboard. 3) Boundary errors in the "writeGroup()" function in "nsVCardObj.cpp" can be exploited to cause stack-based buffer overflows by sending an e-mail containing a specially crafted vcard. Successful exploitation may allow execution of arbitrary code but requires that the malicious e-mail is opened in preview. 4) Some boundary errors in "nsPop3Protocol.cpp", which handles POP3 mail communication, can be exploited to cause buffer overflow by a malicious POP3 mail server when sending specially crafted responses. Successful exploitation may potentially allow execution of arbitrary code. 5) A problem with overly long links containing a non-ASCII characters can be exploited via a malicious website or e-mail to cause a buffer overflow, which potentially can lead to execution of arbitrary code. 6) An integer overflows when parsing and displaying BMP files can potentially be exploited to execute arbitrary code by supplying an overly wide malicious BMP image via a malicious website or in an e-mail. 7) Mozilla allows dragging links to another window or frame. This can e.g be exploited by tricking a user on a malicious website to drag a specially crafted javascript link to another window. Successful exploitation can cause script code to execute in context of that window. Further exploitation can in combination with another unspecified vulnerability lead to execution of arbitrary code. 8) Signed scripts can request enhanced privileges, which requires that a user accepts a security dialog. The problem is that a malicious website can pass a specially crafted parameter making it possible to manipulate information displayed in the security dialog. Successful exploitation allows a website to trick users into accepting security dialogs, which will grant access to run arbitrary programs. 9) Some files installed with the Linux installer are group and world writable. This can be exploited by malicious, local users to replace files, which can lead to execution of arbitrary code. 10) Many files and directories in the Linux install ".tar.gz" archives have wrong owner and permissions. This can be exploited by malicious, local users to replace files if the umask is set to be ignored when unpacking. Successful exploitation can lead to execution of arbitrary code. These vulnerabilities reportedly affect versions prior to the following: - Mozilla 1.7.3 - Firefox 1.0PR - Thunderbird 0.8 Solution: The vulnerabilities have reportedly been fixed in: - Mozilla 1.7.3 - Firefox 1.0PR - Thunderbird 0.8 Provided and/or discovered by: 1) Georgi Guninski 2) Wladimir Palant 3) Georgi Guninski 4) Gael Delalleau 5) Mats Palmgren and Gael Delalleau 6) Gael Delalleau 7) Jesse Ruderman 8) Jesse Ruderman 9) Daniel Koukola, Andrew Schultz 10) Harald Milz Changelog: 2004-09-15: Details have been released about some more vulnerabilities. Adding 8), 9) and 10). Original Advisory: 1) http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258005 2) http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=257523 3) http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=257314 4) http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=245066 4) http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226669 5) http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=256316 6) http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=255067 7) http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250862 8) http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253942 9) http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=231083 9) http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=235781 10) http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=254303 Please note: The information, which this Secunia Advisory is based upon, comes from third party unless stated otherwise. Secunia collects, validates, and verifies all vulnerability reports issued by security research groups, vendors, and others. Send Feedback to Secunia: If you have new information regarding this Secunia advisory or a product in our database, please send it to us using either our web form or email us at vuln@secunia.com. Ideas, suggestions, and other feedback is most welcome. Found: 23 Related Secunia Security Advisories, displaying 10 - Mozilla / Mozilla Firefox Apple Java Plugin Tab Spoofing Vulnerability - Mozilla / Mozilla Firefox / Mozilla Thunderbird libpng Vulnerabilities - Mozilla / Netscape SOAPParameter Integer Overflow Vulnerability - Mozilla / Mozilla Firefox User Interface Spoofing Vulnerability - Mozilla / Mozilla Firefox "onunload" SSL Certificate Spoofing - Mozilla / Firefox Certificate Store Corruption Vulnerability - Mozilla Fails to Restrict Access to "shell:" - Mozilla XPInstall Dialog Box Security Issue - Multiple Browsers Frame Injection Vulnerability - Mozilla Browser Address Bar Spoofing Weakness Show all related advisories |
sgomes |
Jan 20 2005, 02:48 PM
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Electric Member Group: Members Posts: 815 Joined: 6-May 04 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 2,029 |
I just did Brando's changes. What should I look for as far as a difference? It all seems the same to me..
On a related subject. Has anyone else had the problem of firefox.exe not unloading after you exit? On my home machine I notice sometimes when I try to shut down it throws up a dialog reporting that firefox.exe won't exit. If I look at the processes running sometimes there will be three or four firefox.exe's! |
Part Pricer |
Jan 20 2005, 02:53 PM
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Believe everything I post Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,825 Joined: 28-December 02 From: Danbury, CT Member No.: 35 |
Those problems were fixed prior to the formal release of Firefox 1.0. |
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skline |
Jan 20 2005, 03:13 PM
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Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California |
Ive been running Firefox for over a year and have had no problems at all. If you dont configure it, its not much different than IE. I get no spyware and no popups at all. Spybot takes up the memory that IE wouldnt be using that Firefox does. That and I dont surf porn sites so I am pretty much safe. As for MAC's they use Safari which is pretty much the same as Firefox.
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aircooledboy |
Jan 20 2005, 03:37 PM
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Sweet Pea's 1st ride in daddy's "vroom -vroom" Group: Members Posts: 1,672 Joined: 4-February 04 From: Rockford, IL Member No.: 1,629 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Dude, Need I remind you, the only 2 legit reasons for the internet to exist: (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/monkeydance.gif) Attached image(s) |
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MattR |
Jan 20 2005, 04:32 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,279 Joined: 23-January 04 From: SF Bay Area Member No.: 1,589 Region Association: Northern California |
Brando's suggestions helped BIG time for me. I primarily use opera because its so fast with browsing (for instance, to go "back" just right click then left click), but some sites like ESPN dont work in opera, so I got firefox.
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mikey |
Jan 21 2005, 11:50 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 423 Joined: 30-January 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 214 Region Association: None |
Running Linux/Mozilla here. I made Brando's changes and the difference is stunning! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/boldblue.gif)
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