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Root_Werks six update, Test for Patrick Motorsports |
Root_Werks |
Apr 18 2005, 08:40 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I got my 914 all pretty much tidied up and running great. That ROW 2.4 has TONS of torque. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif) Sixnotfour swung by on Sunday and we went out and hammered on it for a while. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif)
So anywhoo, here is just a couple of pics of the exhaust I did up. I used the "W" headers from the 2.7 generation 911 and made my own pipes back to a stock muffler. Why? because I want to take the heater boxes from a 75-76 914 and wrap them around these pipes. Also, I wanted the 3 pipes to merge as soon as possible to increase the top end on an already torque'd out engine. So far, I love the set up. the power band kicks ass and as you can see by the pic's, super clean, lots of room and hopefully easy install of the heater boxes soon. Just have to find some now. Attached image(s) |
Root_Werks |
Apr 18 2005, 08:42 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Pic 2 of the engine. This system fits perfect, the pictures may not do it justice, but I am very happy with how it turned out so far. Hopefully the heat will be similar.
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Root_Werks |
Apr 18 2005, 08:45 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
So after driving it around a bit, I got back and found a HUGE oil spot under the oil tank area. WTF? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)
Checked lines, good. Valve covers, good. Oil filter, filler neck, breather lines, oil tubes, all good. So WT... Wait, is that oil running down the back side of the tank? Not the front mind you, the back where there are no fittings. Dam, sure looks like it. Yep, pulled the tank: Attached image(s) |
Root_Werks |
Apr 18 2005, 08:45 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
And found this:
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Root_Werks |
Apr 18 2005, 08:48 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Here is the same picture, but with the oil leaks circled. This is a tank that Patrick says he makes. Not Vellios, but Patrick. He says from the Vellios sand castings, but still his own. So it is leaking through pin-hole sized pours in the casting on the backside. I am going to call him today to see if he will send me another tank.
What sort of answer do you guys think I will get? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) Attached image(s) |
Trekkor |
Apr 18 2005, 08:49 AM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
That looks like a nice alternative.
KT The exhaust, that is. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) This post has been edited by trekkor: Apr 18 2005, 08:51 AM |
brant |
Apr 18 2005, 08:53 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,622 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Its alloy right?
so it can be soldered/welded back up! let me know when you decide to get rid of it. I'm still interested. brant |
Root_Werks |
Apr 18 2005, 08:53 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Thanks Trekkor. The two things I wanted to try are: Increase my top end. More straigt forward heater box set up. Just something I wanted to try. If I don't like it, a set of 914-6 headers from MSD or where ever are just a phone call away. But I don't think I will have to do that, these turned out really nice. Plus they are modular, so I can remove pieces if needed. i.e. if I have to pull the engine for a clutch or something, I don't have to risk removing the actuall headers and ruining exhaust studs. Sort of cool. |
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CptTripps |
Apr 18 2005, 08:53 AM
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:: Punch and Pie :: Group: Members Posts: 3,584 Joined: 26-December 04 From: Mentor, OH Member No.: 3,342 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Yup...That'll do it!
Cool looking tank though... |
rhodyguy |
Apr 18 2005, 09:02 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,075 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
shitty molding. debris on the core or either the cope or drag. dan, look up Thomas Machine and Foundry, now located in north marysville, out your way on 99. i'll get you the phone # and you would ask for Tom Thomas. if the tank is aluminum they could weld up all the pin holes. i'll call first and set things up if you like. get back to me asap and i'll see what i can do. i wish i could get a copy of the tank and core patterns. i could get tanks made so cheap. even heat treated. it's hard to believe these companies don't pressure test the items before they ship. horrid q.c.. no excuse.
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Root_Werks |
Apr 18 2005, 09:17 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I have the alum set up for my mig welder. The tank and spool gun, used them before. The tank is fine, I like this style. They use the later OC54 oil filter and no oil console. They are a little heavy compared to a stock tank, but 4lbs isn't a big deal to me.
Well, I was going to keep this to myself until I called PM today. But I actually did weld up the two small pin holes. Ground it back down, you couldn't even tell they were ever there. I put the tank back in and I still have one stream of oil instead of two now. Much, much less, but still a leak from the backside of the tank? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) There are more "Pin holes" or "pits" that I didn't weld up because I didn't see any oil from them. BUT, they could still be leaking. the oil was warm and clean, very hard to see. So I will likely have to remove the tank again (that for sure), and weld some more. It isn't too much of a pain. Just wanted to drive the car, not weld the tank. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) Brant, yeah, if you want it, I will hold it for you. I plan on using the one that GPR is making. I really want to try it out, but Don hasn't been able to make any lately. So when he gets one put together, I will give you a good deal on this one. No worries, I will have the leaks fixed by then. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) |
Joe Bob |
Apr 18 2005, 09:26 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Dan...gud luck.
I HOPE he stands behind it and replaces it. If he doesn't it just validates my opinion of the guy. |
Root_Werks |
Apr 18 2005, 09:52 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Wow, I called and spoke with Brian who turned me over to Jim, the guy who helped on the devolpement of the tanks with Vellios. He said they normally liquid fill them to test them for leaks. Said this one might have gotten missed? But the part I wanted to relay was Jim was super nice. Offered to send me a shipping label (Paid label) and just swap it out, weld this one up etc. The words I liked were "We'll take care of it whatever it takes."
That was cool. I sent him the picture and told him that I will tank the tank to check for leaks. If there is only a couple more pin holes (or one I am thinking) I will just weld it up, no biggie. PM stood behind what they sold and will fix it until I am happy. If I tank it and find a bunch-o-leaks, I will send it back. But if there is just one more pin hole I missed, nah, I will just zap it really quick. Jim said when they fill them, they have only ever had troubles with a couple of them leaking on the seams, which they can weld up again. He said this would be the first he ever heard of one leaking through the cast area. I know most people don't like these tanks, but I do. They seem really sturdy and out of like 5 now, this is the only one that has given me any troubles so far. So I am sure either way, it will get fixed this week. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) |
Joe Bob |
Apr 18 2005, 10:00 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Gud....maybe he was off his prozac when I dealt with him.
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Root_Werks |
Apr 18 2005, 10:06 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I was happy. Shit happens, I won't get pissed because of things like this. I had my oil cooler mod'd for the fitting. The welder had to weld up a tiny crack in the tube. It leaked. I had to pull the cooler off with engine in car. He fixed it the same day and appologized. Shit happens, no biggie, he fixed it ASAP. That is all that matters. Funny though, I think this will be the 4th oil change this 914 has had in like 50 miles. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) $2 a quart, that is starting to add up! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) |
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Joe Bob |
Apr 18 2005, 10:12 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Next time you talk to him...tell him I said hi....like he'll remember me.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif)
unless someone from the BBS has mentioned how irked I am at him....if he cares. Anywho, I see GPR in your sig line...what up with that? |
airsix |
Apr 18 2005, 10:15 AM
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I have bees in my epiglotis Group: Members Posts: 2,196 Joined: 7-February 03 From: Kennewick Man (E. WA State) Member No.: 266 |
Dan,
I always love to see your projects. You really know how to get the most bang for the buck. I think that rocks. Cool use of the 'W' headers. You know, those would be a great starting point for building a turbo-six. Not that anyone around here would be that crazy. (Pay no attention to the 'W' headers I'm holding behind my back.) -Ben M. |
crash914 |
Apr 18 2005, 10:51 AM
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its a mystery to me Group: Members Posts: 1,826 Joined: 17-March 03 From: Marriottsville, MD Member No.: 434 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Ferget the welding.....just use JB weld or RTV (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)
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Root_Werks |
Apr 18 2005, 10:58 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Thanks dude! This method did save lots-o-money. But I didn't do it for that. More a test of power band (move the torque curve up) and heater box fabbing. I will admit, I love this stuff! About the only PITA part was replacing ALL the exhaust studs for the thicker flanges. You can see them in the pic's above. If I was to do this again, I would have just "notched" the flanges. because now if I want to put on a set of other headers, out come these studs ect. Other than that, I love the sound, the power and the simplicity of this system. It just plain kicks ass. I don't think I will ever buy 914-6 headers again. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) |
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Root_Werks |
Apr 18 2005, 11:05 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Actually, a couple of welders I know have told me to use Devcon Alum putty and not to weld. Looking into that as well. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) |
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