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| Trekkor |
 May 8 2005, 08:49 PM
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I do things...  Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California  |
The Streets of Willow at the WCC got me all fired up for the Big Track. ( you were right, Bill )
June 24-26, I plan on running the GGR DE and TT at Buttonwillow. Who else wants to stretch your legs? What advice can you offer? ( besides brakes ) KT |
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| nine14cats |
May 8 2005, 09:10 PM
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Bill Pickering -- 914-6 GT aka....Leeloo Group: Members Posts: 2,618 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 287 Region Association: None |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) I knew it!...Congrats Trekkor...you truly have intered into the "money pit" zone.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer.gif)
It will be great seeing you at the track....hopefully we can pit together. Buttonwillow can get hot...Last July 4th weekend we ran there and it was over 102 degrees...tough on the car....keep that oil temp gauge in working order and don't try to overdrive your first time out. And here's a word of advice....respect your instructors, but don't think they don't make mistakes. GGR and Coastal Driving have great instructors, but if the weekend is run in conjunction with Zone 8 a few of the instructors they got were from the BMW and other clubs. Here's the horror story. A guy shows up and pits next to us. Had just purchased a track 914-4 2.0. Never driven it other than onto the trailer. On the first drive around the instructor was boasting how he was a quick driver and he'd show him how it was done. Now I'm no stud on the track, but on the warm up lap this guy is all over the place...not following conventional racing lines...seemed to like early apexes and squaring off turns... Anyway...on the first lap they take off and the guy spins out with smoke coming out of the engine bay....he missed a shift because he had never driven a Porsche before! In the pits he said that "those 914 don't have a very good gearbox" and walks away. I help the guy push the rubble that is left of his car into his newly acquired trailer and the guy gets ready to leave. I told him to go tear the instructor a new a-hole....he doesn't... Get an instructor who has been in a Porsche before, preferably a 914. If it's all Zone 7 you will be fine, but if they are short of instructors, talk to folks and find one that has 914 experience... Just my $9.14. Bill P. P.S. Welcome to the "Dark Side"..... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif) |
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| drew365 |
May 8 2005, 09:13 PM
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These are the good old days! Group: Members Posts: 2,004 Joined: 29-December 02 From: Sunny So. Cal. Member No.: 37 |
Keep your nose clean. Buttonwillow seems to have a high water table. The off track area stays muddy days after rain and deep tire tracks are common. Those deep ruts are dangerous after they dry out. If you try to save a spin and hit the ruts sideways you can flip, so if you go off, stay straight and don't try to pull it immediately back on track. Other than that, have fun. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)
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| TravisNeff |
May 8 2005, 09:29 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,082 Joined: 20-March 03 From: Mesa, AZ Member No.: 447 Region Association: Southwest Region 
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Bring a clean pair of shorts, maybe two. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)
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| Joe Bob |
May 8 2005, 09:32 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Consider one of those undershirts that run ice water thru tubes.....well worth the money.
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| xitspd |
May 8 2005, 09:35 PM
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Technology and Tradition 3.6 and 914-6 Group: Members Posts: 1,305 Joined: 17-November 04 From: Foothills of Mt. San Jacinto, CA Member No.: 3,136 |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) There is a section where your car gets very light after cresting a small hill on the west side of the track, it is almost immediately followed by a turn in which the car is unbalanced. Watch it there! I almost went over after an off road experience. I was running counter clockwise. Dan |
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| DanT |
 May 8 2005, 11:31 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
Trekkor,
You will have a great time. No need to worry about instructors, as long as you are talking Saturday and Sunday since it is a GGR Time trial/DE only certified GGR instructors will be in attendance. If you are going to be there on Friday for the DE put on by central coast then again most of the instructors will be GGR but not all. For GGR, Most, but not all, are familiar with 914s. Not nearly as many 914s at GGR TTs as there were a few years ago. There are a few that are 914 specialists...such as myself (914-6 with 2.7RS motor) (sound familiar Bill?) Anyway, you should be perfectly safe... Adapting to all of that new horsepower will be your biggest issue. Are you still running 205s? It can be a lot of fun driving a 914 with good power on skinny tires!!! BW is a fun track but can get very tricky depending on which direction we run. Off topic, but Bill, how is the new hot rod coming. I haven't been on the site in a while. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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| anthony |
May 9 2005, 12:16 AM
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2270 club Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,107 Joined: 1-February 03 From: SF Bay Area, CA Member No.: 218  |
You can do Reno next weekend:
http://www.coastaldriving.org/ NCRC has also been recommended to me: http://www.ncracing.org/ They have a June 24th event at Thunderhill. |
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| Trekkor |
May 9 2005, 09:29 AM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
Thanks for the replies.
Do I understand this correctly, the instructors drive my car? Not just ride and yell. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) That could be touchy. If I dent my car, I'll deal with that. If someone else does, then what. They certainly won't cart up a load of Benjamins (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) More like, "oh well, sorry". (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) I prefer to be the only driver of my car. What are the options here? KT |
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| anthony |
May 9 2005, 09:38 AM
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2270 club Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,107 Joined: 1-February 03 From: SF Bay Area, CA Member No.: 218 |
My understanding is that the whole group drives a first parade lap. It's more like a 1/2 speed run for the instructors to check out the cars and make sure a safety issue wasn't missed at tech.
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| Joe Bob |
May 9 2005, 09:38 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Depends on your experience....and the race sanctioning body. Some groups like touringcar.com will ask what your experience is, put you in a slow group and then move you up after visual observations, no instructor....others will ask for a log book and assign a non driving instructor, sign your book and issue a license....the big guys will require a driving school.
ME?....no one drives my ride unless I know him/her....even then...it's debatable. As to Instructor's driving a student's car....one should know how to shift it....and should only be driving 8/10s... |
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| brant |
May 9 2005, 10:38 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,771 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains 
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ditto on what people said above...
who drives depends upon the group. but I replied to say Congrats!!! this is great trekkor! brant |
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| Mueller |
May 9 2005, 01:26 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,150 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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I'm jealous (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)
have fun..... I've only done one DE (in my Volvo of all things), I still had a blast, my instructor was "okay", but it sure beat not having one at all I guess.... |
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| anthony |
May 9 2005, 02:28 PM
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2270 club Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,107 Joined: 1-February 03 From: SF Bay Area, CA Member No.: 218 |
Mike, why haven't you used your 911 for DE?
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| Mueller |
May 9 2005, 02:35 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,150 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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it's a garage queen (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) I guess too nervous to take it out on the track...I feel more comfortable in a 914 at speed I've been thinking about it...my current tires suck (Kuhmo 712's)...my next set will be something sticky like the Falkens pretty soon... |
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| anthony |
May 9 2005, 02:41 PM
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2270 club Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,107 Joined: 1-February 03 From: SF Bay Area, CA Member No.: 218 |
For me it's the reverse. I think my SC is much more durable and up to the rigors of a 20 minute track session. If my 914 had a newer engine I'd be more willing to take it to a track.
I know Trekor will graduate to TT in no time with his car but since my cars are just street cars I just want to do DE to learn driving skills and enhance the driving experience with the car. |
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| Mueller |
May 9 2005, 02:46 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,150 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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I know I shouldn't say this, but I consider the 914 more "disposable", so if something happened to it, it would be easier/cheaper to fix/replace.........besides, if I started to track the 911, then I'd want to do the exhaust, make the suspension even better...etc..etc.... |
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| Jenny |
May 9 2005, 02:49 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,060 Joined: 6-January 03 Member No.: 96 Region Association: None |
that's what I thought! 911 jack stands!!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/chairfall.gif) Jen |
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| Joe Bob |
May 9 2005, 03:26 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
I have....but I've been so busy with the house. A two year project from hell. I have done 1:40 at the Big Willow Track....it's set up pretty nice and has plenty of oooomph as some of you saw trying to pass me in the straights at Streets. It's an 83 with a 93 3.6 motor.... Oh and Mueller....bite me....none of MY rides are garage queens.... As to Manfred...I picked it up as it was such a deal and the cabriolet is a pig at 2800lbs+......even with close to 280hp. Manfred has 180 hp and weighs less than 2000 lbs....AND a lot less invested if I DO stuff it into a wall. |
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| Mueller |
May 9 2005, 03:31 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,150 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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the 911 was a birthday present, so I take extra good care of it...now if I bought it, it would be different (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smash.gif) the 914 will not be a garage queen, it will be flogged (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/MDB2.gif) |
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