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Pre-Drilled Drain Plugs?, Are they available? |
GregAmy |
Jun 26 2018, 09:04 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,298 Joined: 22-February 13 From: Middletown CT Member No.: 15,565 Region Association: North East States |
Putting aside discussion on whether they're needed...a historics group I'm running with (VRG) is insisting I run with drilled and safety-wired engine and trans drain plug fasteners. In a cursory search through common vendors I'm not able to locate any.
Is anyone aware of pre-drilled engine drain bolt, plate/screen bolt, and trans plugs before I spend the coin on a drill jig? |
ChrisFoley |
Jun 26 2018, 09:39 AM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,925 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None |
Putting aside discussion on whether they're needed...a historics group I'm running with (VRG) is insisting I run with drilled and safety-wired engine and trans drain plug fasteners. In a cursory search through common vendors I'm not able to locate any. Is anyone aware of pre-drilled engine drain bolt, plate/screen bolt, and trans plugs before I spend the coin on a drill jig? Its not possible to use a drilled trans drain plug without abandoning the factory Allen screw design. The engine drain plug and sump retaining nuts are unique and probably have to be drilled. If you bring them here I'll drill them in my milling machine, n/c. |
GregAmy |
Jun 26 2018, 09:43 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,298 Joined: 22-February 13 From: Middletown CT Member No.: 15,565 Region Association: North East States |
Thanks, Chris!
Yes, it's silly. Even more so that someone told me they're not really worried about drain plugs loosening, it's more a visual confirmation that the competitor had verified that the plugs are tightened... I pointed out the design of the trans plug; the response was (paraphrased), "there's a little bit of the flange hanging out, you can run a drill bit and wire through that." Hey, if a piece of wire makes them happy, I'll put a piece of wire through it. |
ClayPerrine |
Jun 26 2018, 11:24 AM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,462 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
You can get a set of drain plugs from a 911 transmission of the same year. The 914 has "innies" the 911 has "outies". So the 17mm hex head sticks out and can be drilled for safety wire.
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Mark Henry |
Jun 26 2018, 03:03 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Are they going to get you to drill the oil filter as well? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Ya have to admit it's pretty silly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) |
ClayPerrine |
Jun 26 2018, 04:32 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,462 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
Are they going to get you to drill the oil filter as well? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Ya have to admit it's pretty silly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) They make them.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.knfilters.com-1143-1530052362.1.jpg) |
Chris914n6 |
Jun 26 2018, 06:39 PM
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Jackstands are my life. Group: Members Posts: 3,318 Joined: 14-March 03 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 431 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Yes, it's silly. Even more so that someone told me they're not really worried about drain plugs loosening, it's more a visual confirmation that the competitor had verified that the plugs are tightened... Would a dab of paint suffice then? It's the OEM method for such things. |
GregAmy |
Jun 26 2018, 07:42 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,298 Joined: 22-February 13 From: Middletown CT Member No.: 15,565 Region Association: North East States |
Would a dab of paint suffice then? Nope, I asked. In fact, anticipating that may be an option I pointed out that not only did I correctly torque the bolts/plugs, that they should notice that I marked with a Sharpie where each bolt was located, and "promised" I would visually check them after each session. That may have assuaged their fears for last weekend and I was allowed to run, but I was given the ole "fix my next race" requirement. I like the idea of the "outtie" drain plugs on the transaxle. But they're pricey at around $25-35 each. I've got the idea that in the future I'll build up a trans cooler system for the car, so what I may do for now is buy the Patrick Motorsports plugs that convert the holes to -8AN fittings ($25 ea) and loop an AN line between them for now (I have enough -8AN fittings and hoses to do it myself). |
wndsrfr |
Jun 26 2018, 08:21 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,429 Joined: 30-April 09 From: Rescue, Virginia Member No.: 10,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Thanks, Chris! Yes, it's silly. Even more so that someone told me they're not really worried about drain plugs loosening, it's more a visual confirmation that the competitor had verified that the plugs are tightened... I pointed out the design of the trans plug; the response was (paraphrased), "there's a little bit of the flange hanging out, you can run a drill bit and wire through that." Hey, if a piece of wire makes them happy, I'll put a piece of wire through it. It's easy to overthink this...I just used a 1/16" bit on the exposed edge of the plug and the nearest web of the trans case & looped wire thru them. Same approach on the engine...did it all under the car on a lift. . I've seen sessions black flagged at big events from oil filters loosening...put a big hose clamp around it & wire it to prevent rotation....you don't want to be "that idiot".... |
Dr Evil |
Jun 27 2018, 11:54 AM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 22,995 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I have a bunch of used "outie" plugs. Hit me up. No where near retail. This is stupid....I just want to help.
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GregAmy |
Jun 27 2018, 12:45 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,298 Joined: 22-February 13 From: Middletown CT Member No.: 15,565 Region Association: North East States |
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Dr Evil |
Jun 27 2018, 12:56 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 22,995 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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Jamie |
Jun 27 2018, 01:01 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,031 Joined: 13-October 04 From: Georgetown,KY Member No.: 2,939 Region Association: South East States |
I have a bunch of used "outie" plugs. Hit me up. No where near retail. This is stupid....I just want to help. Stupid is right! A bit of loose wire is not going to prevent the plugs from unscrewing, just going to catch the plug or filter should it fall out! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif) |
TheCabinetmaker |
Jun 27 2018, 05:43 PM
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I drive my car everyday Group: Members Posts: 8,300 Joined: 8-May 03 From: Tulsa, Ok. Member No.: 666 |
Uh, properly done safety wire will stop a bolt from unscrewing. What do you mean by a loose piece of wire? I was a jet mechanic in the Vietnam war. Every nut, bolt, and screw was safety wired, and everytime i wired one a quality control inspector signed off my work. They never came loose.
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Jamie |
Jun 27 2018, 07:12 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,031 Joined: 13-October 04 From: Georgetown,KY Member No.: 2,939 Region Association: South East States |
Uh, properly done safety wire will stop a bolt from unscrewing. What do you mean by a loose piece of wire? I was a jet mechanic in the Vietnam war. Every nut, bolt, and screw was safety wired, and everytime i wired one a quality control inspector signed off my work. They never came loose. Properly done is the key phrase here, and safety wires work just fine if there is something close by to secure the wire to, not easily done with a drain plug or an oil filter for our 914's. |
ClayPerrine |
Jun 28 2018, 12:16 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,462 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
Uh, properly done safety wire will stop a bolt from unscrewing. What do you mean by a loose piece of wire? I was a jet mechanic in the Vietnam war. Every nut, bolt, and screw was safety wired, and everytime i wired one a quality control inspector signed off my work. They never came loose. Properly done is the key phrase here, and safety wires work just fine if there is something close by to secure the wire to, not easily done with a drain plug or an oil filter for our 914's. Aircraft safety wire can be run between bolts to insure they don't turn. You don't have to wire them to the case on the trans, just to each other to keep them from turning. |
TheCabinetmaker |
Jun 28 2018, 05:49 PM
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I drive my car everyday Group: Members Posts: 8,300 Joined: 8-May 03 From: Tulsa, Ok. Member No.: 666 |
Exactly.
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GregAmy |
Jun 28 2018, 07:01 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,298 Joined: 22-February 13 From: Middletown CT Member No.: 15,565 Region Association: North East States |
Typically, safety wire won't ensure proper torque on a properly-torqued fastener. But it's a common thing on high-vibrations implementations (FAA required I safety-wired my oil filter, and yet it never-ever vibrated loose...coincidence?)
I've never had a properly-torqued drain plug vibrate loose on any race car I've had in nearly 30 years of racing. But if'n'it'll make 'em happy, I'm ok with breaking out those safety wire pliers that are...well, they're somewhere, I'll find 'em. |
914forme |
Jun 28 2018, 07:49 PM
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Times a wastin', get wrenchin'! Group: Members Posts: 3,896 Joined: 24-July 04 From: Dayton, Ohio Member No.: 2,388 Region Association: None |
It is a simple thing here, you want to race you follow the rule. I get that your not happy about it. I get that it is not a big deal as it has "never" happened with any of your race cars.
Being in a paddock where a car dumped 6 qt on the lineup grid then they all come over and start looking under my 914 saying all these leak to find a bone dry engine bottom. I was pissed, as I prep my races cars like a fanatic. I point at the ass-hat in the XR4TI that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif) oil all over the place. I mean really there is a trail of oil leading over to where the car is and he is loading it on his trailer. Blame the guy in the 914 who hates oil leaks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) So if they want me to do that to keep them from pointing fingers at the 914 guy. I would be more than happy to do it. Bit of time and safety wire makes them happy then, make them happy and go out and race, and enjoy yourself. Matter of fact I am thinking about doing just to make sure they see it was done. I also use paint pens to mark all my bolts to know they are torqued. And would still do it. I do do this with my CV bolts as I have had them back out in my younger days. And I agree, safety wire is not a sign of something being torqued to specification, but it does make it easier to get a car through tech, and it speeds up tech, then so be it. |
GregAmy |
Jul 15 2018, 09:25 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,298 Joined: 22-February 13 From: Middletown CT Member No.: 15,565 Region Association: North East States |
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