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RIMCO vs. EMW |
yeahmag |
Mar 13 2019, 12:19 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,421 Joined: 18-April 05 From: Pasadena, CA Member No.: 3,946 Region Association: Southern California |
Machine shop showdown!
My favorite machinist (RIP John Edwards @ Costa Mesa R&D) passed away over a year ago. I'm in need of a good machinist for basics for the next motor I'm starting to build up. Any opinions on RIMCO vs EMW for the basics? * Case deck, line bore, and clearance for stroker * Basic connecting rod stuff * Cylinder inspection and honing The normal stuff... Thanks. -Aaron |
mepstein |
Mar 13 2019, 12:27 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,223 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I thought Jake Raby once said anything that comes in with a Rimco tag gets thrown in the scrap pile.
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yeahmag |
Mar 13 2019, 12:28 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,421 Joined: 18-April 05 From: Pasadena, CA Member No.: 3,946 Region Association: Southern California |
RIMCO bought FAT, so I have some hope. I've used them in the past for a few things and they did well.
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porschetub |
Mar 13 2019, 12:55 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,696 Joined: 25-July 15 From: New Zealand Member No.: 18,995 Region Association: None |
Apparently Rimco isn't what it used to be,hope they don't drag down the FAT reputation (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) ,don't remember hearing of issues with EMW.
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76-914 |
Mar 13 2019, 01:23 PM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,485 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California |
RIMCO; used them once and wasn't impressed with them. They were moving to their new location and as a result lost a long time employee. My work wasn't done on time and was a 6 weeks later than told. Then again they didn't mention they were moving when they took my order. The owner was cavalier at best. When I did receive my engine pieces back some were missing which required another trip after they were located. The BIG complaint comes from sloppy work. I posted pic's here 7 yr's ago of how it was received. Lots of machining burrs, coils and shavings. No effort had been made to clean the parts after machining. Metal shavings throughout the case 1/2's. When I complained I was treated as if I were lucky to have had them do the work. Remember that cavalier attitude! Later when CC'ing the heads I found the alcohol leaking around the valves so I ended up lapping the valves myself. Fool me once shame on you....................................... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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young55961 |
Mar 13 2019, 01:45 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 15-March 18 From: Arcadia Member No.: 21,972 Region Association: Southern California |
I use Brother Machinery in Ontario for my VW Type 1.
Happy with them. Not sure about Type 4. |
mgphoto |
Mar 13 2019, 02:48 PM
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"If there is a mistake it will find me" Group: Members Posts: 1,335 Joined: 1-April 09 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 10,225 Region Association: Southern California |
OK, way back when Capt N Krusty recommended a shop near LAX, their name is Engine Machine Service EMS, I can say they know there stuff.
Bruce, if I remember correctly, is the VW type IV guy. I saw some really nice engines come out of there. EMS 8416 Osage Ave. Los Angeles, CA 90045 310 641 7019 Highly recommended. |
draganc |
Mar 13 2019, 08:00 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 725 Joined: 2-November 09 From: central new jersey Member No.: 11,000 Region Association: North East States |
Check out: http://dprmachine.com/
I was planning to use their service but changed direction. Spoke to the owner with positive impression (took his time and sounded knowledgeable). Also, should be close enough for you to drive by and chat in person. |
yeahmag |
Mar 13 2019, 08:53 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,421 Joined: 18-April 05 From: Pasadena, CA Member No.: 3,946 Region Association: Southern California |
I plan on running a DPR crank. I hadn’t thought about using him for the case.
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flmont |
Mar 13 2019, 10:29 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 879 Joined: 21-October 08 From: Tucson,Az Member No.: 9,676 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Hell,..if I could have got a good crank like their's my 914 would have been on the road a long time ago,.!!
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Mark Henry |
Mar 14 2019, 11:46 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
-Use a good 1.7/1.8 block, you need to check but you shouldn't need a line bore.
-Case deck good plan. -No or little clearance needed for the case, rods need to be clearanced, it's the cam lobe in the way and why you have to use a reduced base circle cam. Also why you use chevy rods for strokes over 78mm. At 82mm you run into a lot of rod/cam issues. My favored combo 78mm crank with Type 1 rod journal and CB rods, with full balance. Crank has less flex with the bigger T1 rod journals. |
yeahmag |
Mar 14 2019, 02:10 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,421 Joined: 18-April 05 From: Pasadena, CA Member No.: 3,946 Region Association: Southern California |
I'm mainly considering 78mm-80mm for the Chevy (Buick) rod bearings that appear to be superior to anything in the VW ecosystem. I have 2 cases (both 1.7) to choose from.
I have a set of JE's with 22mm wrist pins, awesome heads for Len (that were Finch heads), and just need to decide on a cam and get moving. Still thinking an 86B, but may consider something bigger. Hoping to spin to 7500RPM to avoid the 2-3 shift as much as possible. |
cgnj |
Jun 25 2023, 08:06 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 623 Joined: 6-March 03 From: Medford, NJ Member No.: 403 Region Association: None |
I'm envious. You're @ the home of air-cooled machining. Visit them all and use the one that makes you feel warm and fuzzy. While I pack up my case for it's trip to CA.
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burton73 |
Jun 26 2023, 10:42 AM
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burton73 Group: Members Posts: 3,486 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 7,414 Region Association: Southern California |
OK, way back when Capt N Krusty recommended a shop near LAX, their name is Engine Machine Service EMS, I can say they know there stuff. Bruce, if I remember correctly, is the VW type IV guy. I saw some really nice engines come out of there. EMS 8416 Osage Ave. Los Angeles, CA 90045 310 641 7019 Highly recommended. I called EMS today and they not only moved from this address, but they are retiring from biz. They did not have a suggestion as who to call to do this kind of work. Looking for more suggestions on machine shop for 2270 RAT Eng in my area. Bob B and Mark Sonners (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) |
friethmiller |
Jun 26 2023, 02:26 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 460 Joined: 10-February 19 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 22,863 Region Association: Southwest Region |
What about European Motor Works in CA (http://www.europeanmotorworks.com)? I think Ian Karr and others have used them for their engine work.
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mgphoto |
Jun 26 2023, 03:22 PM
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"If there is a mistake it will find me" Group: Members Posts: 1,335 Joined: 1-April 09 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 10,225 Region Association: Southern California |
OK, way back when Capt N Krusty recommended a shop near LAX, their name is Engine Machine Service EMS, I can say they know there stuff. Bruce, if I remember correctly, is the VW type IV guy. I saw some really nice engines come out of there. EMS 8416 Osage Ave. Los Angeles, CA 90045 310 641 7019 Highly recommended. I called EMS today and they not only moved from this address, but they are retiring from biz. They did not have a suggestion as who to call to do this kind of work. Looking for more suggestions on machine shop for 2270 RAT Eng in my area. Bob B and Mark Sonners (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) They were big Formula V guys, time is taking its toll, a lot of information disappears into the ether. Hey isn’t this thread old? |
burton73 |
Jun 26 2023, 06:29 PM
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burton73 Group: Members Posts: 3,486 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 7,414 Region Association: Southern California |
Yea but I need info now in 2023
Best Bob |
barnfind9141972 |
Jun 26 2023, 10:19 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 100 Joined: 10-December 20 From: Rancho Mirage, CA Member No.: 24,976 Region Association: Southern California |
Yea but I need info now in 2023 Best Bob @burton73 call European Motor Works, they did my motor and he does just about every displacement and has been around a long time. Owner is George. |
mgphoto |
Jun 28 2023, 12:36 PM
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"If there is a mistake it will find me" Group: Members Posts: 1,335 Joined: 1-April 09 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 10,225 Region Association: Southern California |
Yea but I need info now in 2023 Best Bob There is somebody still doing air cooled VW’s in the LA area, hit up the vw crowd at a cars and coffee, look for quality work, you can tell it when you see it. That’s how I found out about the epoxy primer I use, Deltron is twice the price of SPI and hard as rock, talked to a hotrodder whose car had bitchin paint, he did it himself, get out of your Porsche bubble, talk to people with nice cars they are friendly and there is lots of good data still out there. |
burton73 |
Jul 22 2023, 09:39 AM
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burton73 Group: Members Posts: 3,486 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 7,414 Region Association: Southern California |
Yea but I need info now in 2023 Best Bob @burton73 call European Motor Works, they did my motor and he does just about every displacement and has been around a long time. Owner is George. We are at Jeorge's and he's totally taken care of us on the 2170 plus very fast. He checked the case and we do not need a line bore in the RAT case. The HAM RAT heads are good just needed a nice valve job and new rings for the pistons. Replacing the Oil pump as the low oil pressure was from a bad oil pump type 1 unit , new bearings. We will know the fate of the RAT cam next week. The machinist is your best friend in this case. Working out just what you need. Best Bob B (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) |
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