OK here is where I'm at. Just about finished with the six conversion. Now I have to think about wheels, brakes, etc.

My current 4 lug set up is great. Brakes are newly rebuilt, rotors in good shape and Porterfield pads on all 4 corners. I have killer 9.85 lb 15x8" 4 lug wheels with Hoosiers.

I will likely do 8-10 AX and 3-5 track days this year.

Should I bite the bullet and do a 5 lug conversion and buy 5 lug wheels with proper backspace? I have the fender flares, rocker panels to do a GT body.

Trekkor seems to be doing well with his 4 lug setup under the narrow body and hasnt reported any signficant issues.

Wider track, bigger brakes is always better. But if you do go wider, don't you loose a little in agility? Is it quicker to change the direction of a non-flared 914 than a flared 914?

I would say if you have the flares and even rims to start with, that's half of it right there. I would go bigger, you can never have too much braking power. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif)

Is there no way to upgrade the brakes and still stay 4-lug?

there are volvo or bmw calipers you can go to on the front.

I personally would go to the 911 front 5 lug. Your car was built stock with the brakes that are now on it. Your can is NOT stock. It is better to have too much brake, then not enough. But hey its your life.

Oh yeah there is someone that made a setup retaining the 4 lig (i believe) and used larger brakes. Or was that 5 lug with factory brakes, or something. Was it Muler?

Grant, I would keep it like it is till you can evaluate the need or not for more braking.
I doubt you will ever need more braking for Autocross.
Track days well maybe.. But then your car is still going to be light even with a six. As you know wheel wieght makes a big difference in braking.

Grant,

What wheels do you have? <10 lbs is really light for a 15x8. As for changing what's under the car? Well, the stock brakes are probably gonna be plenty fine for autox most likely. Track stuff might need more stopping hardware though.

If you've already got the killer wheels and suspension setup, stick with it. All you'll need to do is tweak the alignment and suspension settings to accomodate the power and weight gains from the six.

There are lots of options to go with for improving the brakes and keeping 4-lugs. The simple ones are going with bigger calipers up front (Volvo/BMW), But for really big changes? Most of them involve really big bucks. Like custom hubs with stoptech brakes and the like.

But if you decide to go five lug, can I have dibs on those wheels? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

-Josh2

If I had a 2.4 I would 'eventually' move to M-Calipers and V-Calipers but for now and for what you're doing... I'd have to agree with the guy that said this:

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personally I'd just use what you have...until you find that the current brakes cannot deal with the heat, then make your decision.....

914 brakes are damn good brakes and if it's just autocrossing for short stints you should be fine. Fine enough to analyze what's going on and make your own educated decision for next season. You could then go 5 or even stay 4 with the Club Hubs. You've got choices.

QUOTE (jhadler @ Mar 8 2006, 01:33 PM)

Grant, What wheels do you have? <10 lbs is really light for a 15x8. As for changing what's under the car? Well, the stock brakes are probably gonna be plenty fine for autox most likely. Track stuff might need more stopping hardware though. If you've already got the killer wheels and suspension setup, stick with it. All you'll need to do is tweak the alignment and suspension settings to accomodate the power and weight gains from the six. There are lots of options to go with for improving the brakes and keeping 4-lugs. The simple ones are going with bigger calipers up front (Volvo/BMW), But for really big changes? Most of them involve really big bucks. Like custom hubs with stoptech brakes and the like. But if you decide to go five lug, can I have dibs on those wheels?  :) -Josh2

Custom made Keizer wheels. And yes they are silly light.

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and they fit quite nicely under my slightly rolled fenders.

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My car weighs less than a stock 4 too.

Most 5-lug setups weigh more, and it's mostly unsprung. Bigger brakes definitely weigh more, and again, all unsprung.

Stick with what you have until you prove it's inadequate. Too many people jump on the bigger brakes, more tire bandwagon long before they really need to.

Does Outlaw or Wilwood make aftermarket calipers &/or rotors for 914's? Cool car BTW. Is it still going to be street legal or just a racer?

Stay four lug.

I have exactly the same set-up as you and it is plenty.


KT

QUOTE (trekkor @ Mar 8 2006, 07:28 PM)

Stay four lug. I have exactly the same set-up as you and it is plenty. KT

I'll stay 4 lug short term. I do have plans now to go to 5 lug. I know I'll want more brakes and bigger tires under the car when I get more seat time. I heard the engine today and it scares me - I didnt know a 2.4 could sound so mean!

Have my cage from Stable Energies on the way. Got a good quote for body work, fenders and repaint. I'm going for Gulf Oil paint scheme (Blue with Orange stripes).

Grant,

did you ever corner scale the car with the -4
what was the starting weight.

my buddy in colorado had a nice gulf car of the same robin's egg color with the same orange stripes.
it was a conversion 2.7 with glass flares too.
it was a PCA CR car
he sold it about 2 years ago through this very club.
If you want me to email him I'll solicit old pictures.

so what did the car weigh before and when are you going to get some after weights?

Mine would be a package deal which would include proper fiberglass fitment of hoods, bumpers spoiler, fender install, body damage repair, making top smooth and full respray for $4500.