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Carbon fibre shortage???, Just spoke to Getty Design.............. |
East coaster |
Mar 27 2006, 11:12 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,691 Joined: 28-March 03 From: Millville, NJ Member No.: 487 Region Association: None |
I just tried to order a CF 911 dash fro my teener and Getty informed me that they are no longer doing anytihg w/CF becasue they can't get it. They said the aircraft industry has bought up all produced CF and there is a shortage.
Just FYI for anyone considering any CF goodies! I guess I'm back to my 914 dash and now need a 2 1/16" gas gauge. I've searched and read previous posts till bored and still can't seem to find the definitive answer on part#/availablility of this gauge?????? |
Aaron Cox |
Mar 27 2006, 11:14 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
alpha/johnman are almost done with 904 gauge kits....
the magic vdo gas gauge i think is the VW sender one... |
skline |
Mar 27 2006, 11:16 AM
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Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California |
Carbon fiber shortage my ass. That is just a marketing technic to drive prices up. They did it with gas and every other commodity out there. And we fall for it hook line and sinker everytime. I dont believe any of it anymore.
People want what they cannot have and if there is a shortage, they will pay more for it. What can you do? |
alpha434 |
Mar 27 2006, 11:22 AM
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My member number is no coincidence. Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 16-December 05 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 5,280 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Why would the aircraft industry buy cosmetic carbon fiber. The use exclusively the directional stuff.
And Aaron. Yes. I'm picking up a bunch of uncoated units on Thursday. |
Phoenix-MN |
Mar 27 2006, 11:25 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 927 Joined: 23-January 04 From: ST. Bonifacius,MN Member No.: 1,590 |
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alpha434 |
Mar 27 2006, 11:30 AM
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My member number is no coincidence. Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 16-December 05 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 5,280 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
No way! You're kidding!!! I'd better go out and buy some stock today!
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turboman808 |
Mar 27 2006, 11:37 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,718 Joined: 31-January 06 From: North Jersey Member No.: 5,505 Region Association: North East States |
Fine fiberglass it is!!!
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Terrance |
Mar 27 2006, 11:42 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 125 Joined: 2-August 05 From: Milpitas, CA Member No.: 4,526 |
I heard this more than once. I remember reading an article about the new RS Spyder. Apparently, they couldn't finish some parts in time due to the shortage. Why? Because the new Airbus A380 uses a lot of carbon fiber, and has been depleting the world of it.
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Jake Raby |
Mar 27 2006, 12:11 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
It is real.. My Carbon Fiber tech works for Rockwell and he says it is certainly been hard to get.
We have suspended selling Carbon Fiber DTMs until the situation gets better, turn around time is out of control! |
J P Stein |
Mar 27 2006, 12:25 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
Ayup.
Boeing & Scarebus have most all of it tied up....and it's gonna be so for the forseeable future. The new Boeing jet is a CF airplane. It's comming out-of-the-box at 7 planes per month.....but now they want 10 going to 14 per. Course, we haven't built any yet. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) All structual attachments to the CF must be to Tiatainium......which, while available....temporarly at least, is going thru the roof also. |
byndbad914 |
Mar 27 2006, 01:32 PM
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shoehorn and some butter - it fits Group: Members Posts: 1,547 Joined: 23-January 06 From: Broomfield, CO Member No.: 5,463 Region Association: None |
I was ordering a GT Racing c/f 70" wing just last Friday, and at the end of it all he mentioned "the new price" and the old price was a bit steep (for me, not for c/f goodies) and that wing was now double the fiberglass one, so I have a fiberglass one on the way. He also said it was almost impossible to get c/f, the price of material was increasing, and he might not get more of those wings once he is out. He said it would be an 8 month lead time if he were out of stock from what I gathered (he had 2 left when I was talking to him Friday).
I really liked the shape of that wing too... oh well. I will have plenty of downforce with the one that is coming. |
SpecialK |
Mar 27 2006, 04:55 PM
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aircraft surgeon Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,211 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Pacific, MO Member No.: 1,797 |
JP nailed it.....the Seattle guys are sucking up all of the CF for their CF tube fuselage.
Actually, we use alot of plain weave CF (mostly prepreg), with some strategically placed Uni for strength in a given direction. That said, I believe that the CF tube fuselage sections on the 7E7 and 787 uses tons of Uni in their automated process (picture a spider spinning a web around a fly (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif) ) ....and I just happen to have a 1000' roll of 3" prepreg I could let go for say... $10,000. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool_shades.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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Grngoat |
Mar 27 2006, 10:22 PM
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Lurker Member Group: Members Posts: 158 Joined: 17-October 04 From: Fort Worth, TX Member No.: 2,967 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Aircraft don't use unidirectional exclusively. It all depends on the application. If it's stiffness critical, then uni (tape) is usually better, but woven (fabric) has better damage tolerance and is much easier to work with. Even so, most tape parts still have some fabric in them. Either way, the raw fibers are exactly the same for tape or fabric, they're just different product forms of the same material.
Boeing and Scarebus are using up lots of it, but so are military aircraft programs. Not surprising that cosmetic uses get the short end of the stick. Also, mating metal parts don't have to be Ti. Aluminum works fine, you do have to seperate the parts with a fiberglass layer to prevent galvanic corrosion, but Ti isn't mandatory. |
J P Stein |
Mar 27 2006, 10:29 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
Don't tell me, tell a Boeing engineer......you may as well preach to God (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) |
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Grngoat |
Mar 27 2006, 10:44 PM
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I'm a Lockheed engineer. But commercial stuff is different, they are very conservative. And I'm glad for it! I hate flying on Airbus! If it's not Boeing, I'm not going. |
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dion9146 |
Mar 28 2006, 07:27 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 469 Joined: 16-May 04 From: Buckner, KY Member No.: 2,071 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Interesting topic, and it helps explain why I am seeing this shortage elsewhere. One of my other 'hobbies' is building/flying high performance RC sailplanes. And yes, it has been very hard getting CF lately. I use it in tail booms, spars, fuselage construction, etc. eBay has been the best source as it seems many suppliers are running out.
Dion |
riverman |
Mar 28 2006, 08:24 AM
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Learn As I Go Group: Members Posts: 449 Joined: 18-January 05 From: Kitchener, ON Member No.: 3,466 |
I guess I should start manufacturing carbon fiber.
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Nick |
Mar 28 2006, 08:35 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 144 Joined: 25-June 04 From: Washington DC Member No.: 2,250 |
I always see Airbus getting bashed on this site and was wondering if the bashers have an statistics to back up their claims that Airbuses are less safe than Boeing's. I did a quick Google on airplane crash statistics and got a few listings and Boeing always seemed to have more crashes than Airbus? Just curious.
Nick |
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