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StratPlayer |
Jan 9 2004, 03:32 PM
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StratPlayer Group: Members Posts: 3,278 Joined: 27-December 02 From: SLC, Utah Member No.: 27 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
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East coaster |
Jan 9 2004, 04:03 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,671 Joined: 28-March 03 From: Brigantine, NJ Member No.: 487 Region Association: None |
I'm flying behind it's little brother, the type I. Converted for aircraft use. THe type IVs are nice but a lot heavier then the type Is. Here's my type powered toy......
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airsix |
Jan 9 2004, 04:10 PM
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I have bees in my epiglotis Group: Members Posts: 2,196 Joined: 7-February 03 From: Kennewick Man (E. WA State) Member No.: 266 |
Neither your bird or the ebay plans appear to be geared. You're direct driving your prop? I don't know much at all about automotive conversions, but my first question would be power. You're going to spin the prop at about 3,500rpm max, right? At 3.5k the motor would last forever, but there's not much power to be made down there. I'd like to hear more about this. Cool stuff.
-Ben M. |
East coaster |
Jan 9 2004, 04:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,671 Joined: 28-March 03 From: Brigantine, NJ Member No.: 487 Region Association: None |
Your right, it's direct drive. I'm maxing out at 3200 rpm. The motor is bored/stroked to 2180cc and is supposed to kick out 70 - 80hp @3200. It's never been dyno'd but the plane's performance seems to be spot on for these hp #'s. This is the only aircraft of it's type (Rans S6) that's flying with this engine. I had to create a motor mount, cowling, and all engine systems (intake/exhaust/etc..)
It's a blast to fly and only burns about 4 gals/hour. It's kinda funny building an engine that needs to develop all it's power at 3k, most of the hp tricks we all know and love are useless down that low. |
nebreitling |
Jan 9 2004, 05:31 PM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
WOW! that's incredible to me. looks like a blast! (although i don't think i would trust my life to engine i have in my 914....)
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East coaster |
Jan 9 2004, 06:06 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,671 Joined: 28-March 03 From: Brigantine, NJ Member No.: 487 Region Association: None |
birds eye view........
2400 rpm @90mph puttin' down the beach Attached image(s) |
Aaron Cox |
Jan 9 2004, 06:53 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
are thos VDO gauges??? LOL, must be a late model (no silver center gauges!) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Air_Cooled_Nut |
Jan 9 2004, 07:12 PM
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914 Ronin - 914 owner who lost his 914club.com Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 19-April 03 From: Beaverton, Oregon Member No.: 584 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(East coaster @ Jan 9 2004, 02:03 PM) I'm flying behind it's little brother, the Type I. Converted for aircraft use. THe type IV's are nice but a lot heavier then the type I's. Here's my type powered toy...... Fuckin' SWEET! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_wirdgut.gif) I REALLY want to get my Private Pilots license...just need a job first (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) I have a friend who's CFI and gave me a lesson and it was a BLAST! I took off, flew and brought the plane in to the runway (due to heavy winds I opted to let him land). He said I learned very quickly for a beginner and I should continue...oh, I can't wait! So, about how much does it cost to built a plane like your's? Would my experience building a radio controlled Q-Tee (absolute beginner kit...cut the balsa wood, epoxy, dope the whole aircraft, etc.) and working in the confines of the VW air-cooled dash and 914 engine compartment help (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
cnavarro |
Jan 9 2004, 07:39 PM
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Cylinder Guru Group: Members Posts: 472 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Chicagoland! Member No.: 49 Region Association: None |
I have a customer with a 140hp @ 3500 rpm type 4 direct drive with a Kr-2...has LN engineering secret torquemeister cam- like 200 ft/lb of torque below 3k... :-) With nickies, you can make a big type 4 weigh in around the weight of a similar cast iron cylindered type 1.
Charles Navarro LN Engineering http://www.LNengineering.com Aircooled Precision Performance |
steve@ottosvenice.com |
Jan 9 2004, 07:41 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 214 Joined: 9-November 03 Member No.: 1,324 |
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Rgreen914 |
Jan 9 2004, 09:04 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 285 Joined: 20-October 03 From: West Covina, Ca. Member No.: 1,266 |
cnavarro
How big is this customer's Type IV that makes 200 ft-lbs of torque and is it normally aspirated? |
Jake Raby |
Jan 9 2004, 09:08 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
I can get 200 lb/ft and keep it a daily driver- been there- done that!
I have built engines that made 140 BHP below 3500, but its not easy. Above that and according to prop size- they can explode. |
East coaster |
Jan 9 2004, 09:12 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,671 Joined: 28-March 03 From: Brigantine, NJ Member No.: 487 Region Association: None |
What the hell is that???? Looks like water cooled heads/aircooled cylinders and turbo charged. Is this what Limbach is up to these days?
Mine is dual ignition (one magneto, one electronic) with an Ellison throttle body injector. I've had wood over those nikasil cylinders ever since someone posted a picture of them on this site. I was looking all over for someone who made an aluminum cylinder sleeve for a type I when I was building the plane/engine. All I could find was Autocraft and it was only suitable for alcohol use. When/if I rebuild the engine I think it'll get nikkies. The motor has been very reliable for aircraft use. So far, the only problem I've had is the exhaust valves having a short life (150 to 200 hours). I've never had a failure of any sort, but they are begining to erode at that point. The plane took 10 months to build from start to first flight. That's working every weekend, every night after work, all my vacation. Not to mention 10,000 cups of coffee and 150 pizzas! I actually kinda built it twice, I cut and fit every piece and then disassembled it and had every aluminum piece on the plane color anodized for orrosion protection and then re-assembled it. It's paid off, it's been flying for 10 years and still looks perfect and it gets hangared 100ft from the ocean. |
redshift |
Jan 9 2004, 09:16 PM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
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Gary |
Jan 9 2004, 11:39 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 744 Joined: 12-January 03 From: Mount Airy, MD Member No.: 134 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Jan 9 2004, 07:08 PM) I can get 200 lb/ft and keep it a daily driver- been there- done that! I have built engines that made 140 BHP below 3500, but its not easy. Above that and according to prop size- they can explode. You can get a reduction drive to allow higher motor rpms: Great Plains reduction drive In my retirement, I want to build a kitplane. Type IV motor with Nickies would be way cool. Hopefully Charles will still be around 10-15 years from now. |
Air_Cooled_Nut |
Jan 15 2004, 11:46 AM
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914 Ronin - 914 owner who lost his 914club.com Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 19-April 03 From: Beaverton, Oregon Member No.: 584 Region Association: None |
Just received this email...
Boeing's "Take Your Kid to Work" Day. Attached thumbnail(s) |
redshift |
Jan 15 2004, 06:48 PM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
hahaha it's my bad grandkid!
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bernbomb914 |
Jan 15 2004, 07:27 PM
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one of the oldest Farts on this board Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,873 Joined: 29-December 02 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 36 |
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