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post Jan 11 2004, 12:29 AM
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post Jan 11 2004, 12:35 AM
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One small step for man, one GIANT leap for mankind.

Being a conservative... I just have to laugh at that retarded freak. If I was a liberal, I'd have to laugh at that retarded freak. I like the war, the spending thing is OUT TO FUGGIN LUNCH.

I wish he would go to Mars on his own dime.

My Presidential vote is going to be a write in, I guess I can't use the multiple choice computer voting system.

Glad to make it more political,

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post Jan 11 2004, 01:07 AM
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Damn! I was expecting to see Ralph or Alice (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
"to da moon Alice!" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chairfall.gif)

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post Jan 11 2004, 12:20 PM
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Thats where Bush should go, on a one way ticket!

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post Jan 11 2004, 12:30 PM
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Geoff, we are politically diametric, but I would chip in for gas.

I am thinking about writing in 'Binko, the Wonder Monkey'.


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post Jan 11 2004, 03:46 PM
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i vote for most people in the ® column but bush has the mental capacity of jello. however, i will always support any space endeavor as i am a techno/science weinee....

the pics from mars are as good a porn to a science dweeb (insert wanking smily)

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post Jan 11 2004, 03:48 PM
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So, therefore, the tax prayers should provide porn for geeks?

I think not, Sir!


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post Jan 11 2004, 04:10 PM
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I'm all for spending money on science and space exploration, but not oil exploitation. Bush is not an idiot. (He is a fool) A Canadain show, The Fifth Estate, showed a money trail from Bin Ladden Construction to both Bush's political campains, and also contract for rebuilding the "bombed barracks" in 98 and and and. It was just one hour of sickening revelation after another up to and including cover ups for 9/11. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif)
Conspiracy Theories
Did you know that after all flights were grounded in the North America(Sept 11, 12&13), 13 planes took off, unchecked and with the approval of Bush. Lear Jets to 747's. Every one of them left US soil and went directly to Saudi Arabia, America's friends?
Just when you think you can trust your government.
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Read on and enjoy what people outsuide the US can see on uncensored TV. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif)
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post Jan 11 2004, 04:15 PM
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hey hey... let's stay out of rhetoric... that is rediculous, and people don't believe that here.

I am just sick of the government being run like every taxpayer is a billionaire, and getting richer.

Conspiracy.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I love Moslems..


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post Jan 11 2004, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(redshift @ Jan 11 2004, 02:15 PM)
Conspiracy.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I love Moslems..

I love everyone (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) and every race (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) , it's just big bussiness, greed and goverments that are too powerfull for their own good that I don't trust.
Read the article though, it's good reading, even for Bush supporters. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool_shades.gif)
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post Jan 11 2004, 06:11 PM
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and why should the government not provide items for my dweeby wanking pleasure?

they have been giving halliburton a good slobbering, shouldn't i be given a little eye candy?

(tongue in cheek, inuendo, sarcasm, etc... fully intended. though i fully expect someone to be angry!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) )
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post Jan 11 2004, 06:31 PM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

Look, the government's job is to protect us from radical Moslems (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pain30.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) They need some practice. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

The people's job is to work hard (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dance.gif) and keep the government (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) from dictating how industry (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clown.gif) works, and taking all the damn money to search for gay house cats (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cat.gif) on Uranus. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

People (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chatsmiley.gif) need to get some self respect (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stfu.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pissoff.gif) and vote NO with their money, from (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pain30.gif) 'Plop Culture'(tm Me).

Privatized space exploration... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/Yack.gif) if it can't pay for itself, it's not viable.. we know how to fly by now. Dick Rutan has a private venture about to go astro.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)


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post Jan 11 2004, 06:41 PM
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Hey everyone, we in the USA have 10 months of political rhetoric to look forward to, and 4 years of who knows what with who knows whom. I would hope we can keep it off this site. My political views are mine, and yours are yours. There are a lot of things in this world that piss me off, but I try to keep political opinions to myself and let my vote do my talking for me. If I do want to talk politics, I will go to an appropiate place to do so. Not here! With all due respect to our 914 club members from the rest of the world, move to the US, become a citizen, cast your vote, or please keep your opinions, for your leaders, and your government.

Thanks for your time.
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post Jan 11 2004, 06:49 PM
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i cring at your use of smiley's......

I'M NOT WORTHY!!!!!!
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post Jan 12 2004, 11:39 AM
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Personally,...I know that our government are as crooked as any on the planet,...nuff said on that.

To get back on / OT,...as far as this Moon / Mars crap,..I say its just that. I'm sick and tired of our government making choices with OUR money. What purpose does it serve for us to inhabit on two lifeless lands? Looking for life they say,...OK what if there is other life? If they (other species) have half a brain they see that we are a species that are still too barbaric and continue to kill each other for nothing. If I was them I would steer clear of this screwed up planet and look elsewhere for "real" intelligent life. Our government looking for life elsewhere is a farce , our world leaders only have their personal greed or interests in mind. If we found others out there and they were accessible to our world leaders, they would just use the new shared or stolen technology to make war or control another country or put cash in their own pockets. Our governement would use the ole " national security" standby and lock out everyone from that knowledge. Space exploration is a dead end money pit, sort of like owning a boat. I see no purpose from planet hopping. So what if they do find life on Mars, what does that prove? Lets use all this projected cash and fix the real problems in this country. Use it to stimulate the downed economy (jobs), Pay on the national debt (#1), feed and care for our "future" the (children). Plus haven't our hardworking NASA people, running on shoestring budgets lost enough lives for the greed of the rich and powerful?

No conspiracy theory needed here folks, just the facts and some good ole common sense will do.
Rant off.......
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post Jan 12 2004, 11:47 AM
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Qarl, Now look at what you have done... You old dog! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

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post Jan 12 2004, 12:52 PM
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QUOTE(redshift @ Jan 11 2004, 02:15 PM)
. . .
I am just sick of the government being run like every taxpayer is a billionaire, and getting richer.
. . .

Heh, I wish they WOULD run the government like every taxpayer was a billionaire.

If that were the case then:
1. I would have gotten a tax cut.
2. I'd be able to hire some third-world 8-year-old to do my job for me at 1/10th the cost.
3. I'd get a $500,000 government handout to do #2.
4. My reps would actually READ my letters, and vote accordingly, instead of shitcanning them and giggling.
5. Cops wouldn't hassle me as I drove down the expressway at 120 mph in my Porsche.
6. I'd own a Porsche.

Now, as an employee of a government contractor who builds rockets - I'm all for space exploration, and even a little war, when necessary (Iraq wasn't necessary - Afghanistan WAS). But Bush has absolutely NO intention on following through with this scam.

Notice that the plan is to gut every NASA project not related to the "pissing contest" of going to the moon and mars. That means the ISS, and the Shuttle, probably any research satellites or probes - especially anthing that might confirm global warming or spot pollution or climate change patterns.
Once all those projects are scrapped - we'll probably be about $10 Billion and halfway through the Moon project when it's killed because we've hit the limit on our national credit card. Along with Social Security and Medicare. And public education. And roads. But we'll be FORCED to spend on defense, because, of course, it's the one thing that's really, really necessary. Unless we want to learn to speak Arabic. Or Canadian.

And as far as discussing politics on this board. I think it's inevitable. And I, for one, welcome it. As long as it's always labeled OT, and those who don't care for such noise steer clear of the OT discussions.
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post Jan 12 2004, 01:32 PM
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I hate it when people talk about how they don't like or see the benifits of Space Exploration. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

Conservative estimates place US tax payer return at around 7-12 dollars on every buck spend by Nasa.

The main return we get from the space exploration program is Technology. Nearly every Technological advance in the last 40 years can be tied to Nasa, in some way.

When you got up this morning and put on your Scratch Resistant Glasses, You just benifited from the Space Program.

When you used the Dust buster to clean up your spilled Cheerio's, you benifited from Space Travel.

When you called you Father, and asked him how he was feeling from his outpatient Laser Angioplasty, Your father benifited from space travel.

When you called him you benifited from Space travel cause your Cell Phone uses Microlasers in the communications grid.

When you drove the teener over to the Golf Course, You cornered better cause Nasa developement in tires. And then your damned Golf Ball flew farther cause of Nasa.

And then the Flat screen your reading this on was based off NASA research.

So basically your advocating that we don't expand a critical agency that returns between 7-12 dollars on every one spent by it.

And then your Common Sence tells you Planet Hopping is a Dead End. On a Planet that has 6.3 billion population, thats growing at a rate thats unsustainable.

So your Common sence tells you that mass starvation, Draconian population control, and limited resources, is preferable to expanding in out onto other planetary bodies.

Please keep your narrow minded short sighted Luddite views to yourself.
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post Jan 12 2004, 02:31 PM
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Wow! I spend a few minutes photoshopping a funny picture and stir up all of this political crap.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) Hooray for free speech!
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post Jan 12 2004, 03:26 PM
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I certainly don't see myself as a ludite, I certainly do see myself fucked but taxes, if someone wants to go to Mars, let them foot the bill.


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