1971 Italian market 914/6, for posterity |
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914/4: 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 914/6: 70 71 72
1971 Italian market 914/6, for posterity |
sixerdon |
Sep 18 2011, 08:25 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 466 Joined: 23-May 03 From: Dartmouth, MA Member No.: 731 |
This isn't meant to be an add, but rather a subject for study and discussion on an Italian market 1971 914/6. Lots of pics to look at. The car was sold and moved on to the southwest.
http://www.cannillomotorsports.com/pastinv...y/9146/9146.htm Open for discussion........ Don |
1970 Neun vierzehn |
Sep 18 2011, 11:35 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,199 Joined: 16-March 06 From: cincinnati, ohio Member No.: 5,727 |
Not a frequently seen color.....though I personally like it.
Curious placement of a clock (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) First thing I'd do is ditch the aftermarket radio. The battery area appears to be in reasonable shape.....hard not to think it hasn't been fixed at one point though. I wonder how long ago it's been repainted and the quality, prep and application thereof? I'd like to see bottomside photos if I were a buyer. It would be interesting to find the complete history and story of this Italian /6. If the car is as nice as the pics show, 36K seems reasonable. Paul |
OmaPossu |
Sep 18 2011, 01:03 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 241 Joined: 4-October 09 From: Finland Member No.: 10,886 Region Association: Scandinavia |
Is back bumper from new (-73 - 76) model?
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SirAndy |
Sep 18 2011, 10:07 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,679 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
Is back bumper from new (-73 - 76) model? That bumper would be correct for a 71 model ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.cannillomotorsports.com-179-1316405253.1.JPG) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.cannillomotorsports.com-179-1316405253.2.JPG) |
sixerdon |
Sep 19 2011, 07:25 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 466 Joined: 23-May 03 From: Dartmouth, MA Member No.: 731 |
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porbmw |
Sep 19 2011, 11:41 AM
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Curious re the front side markers...
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IronHillRestorations |
Sep 19 2011, 12:20 PM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,731 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None |
Well the bumper may or may not be the right one. I've seen some '71's with the triangular instep. I don't know about the air cleaner housing, all the original 6's I've seen are plastic.
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OmaPossu |
Sep 19 2011, 12:28 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 241 Joined: 4-October 09 From: Finland Member No.: 10,886 Region Association: Scandinavia |
I think this is right bumper for -70 .. -72 modell
http://harrasteet.1g.fi/kuvat/OmaPossu/Possu914+006.jpg and this -73.. http://harrasteet.1g.fi/kuvat/OmaPossu/Pro....4.2010+005.JPG |
SirAndy |
Sep 19 2011, 01:39 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,679 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
I think this is right bumper for -70 .. -72 modell http://harrasteet.1g.fi/kuvat/OmaPossu/Possu914+006.jpg Nope. The sharp edged bumper was on early cars only ('70) and it was for both, the /4 and /6 cars! All later cars, including the /6 cars had the rounded edges. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
Jasfsmith |
Sep 19 2011, 04:59 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 556 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Bangor, ME Member No.: 2,882 Region Association: North East States |
I was under the impression that all 914's (4/6) sold outside the US did not have the lettering on the engine lid. And side markers, wasn't that a US and Japan only item. Fuchs look strange. Were they refinshed?
I wonder if this was a US spec car destined for the US but delivered to Italy. Pehaps a service man stationed there? |
SirAndy |
Sep 19 2011, 06:29 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,679 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
And side markers, wasn't that a US and Japan only item. The car is in the US. In order to be streetlegal here, it needs the sidemarkers. So no surprise there ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
Cairo94507 |
Sep 19 2011, 08:43 PM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,826 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
SirAndy is 100% correct regarding the rear bumper (not that anyone doubted that BTW). I have owned original '70 sixes and my present six is a '71. Both of my 70's had the stepped rear bumper and my '71 has the same bumper as pictured on this car.
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sixerdon |
Sep 19 2011, 08:45 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 466 Joined: 23-May 03 From: Dartmouth, MA Member No.: 731 |
I was under the impression that all 914's (4/6) sold outside the US did not have the lettering on the engine lid. And side markers, wasn't that a US and Japan only item. Fuchs look strange. Were they refinshed? I wonder if this was a US spec car destined for the US but delivered to Italy. Pehaps a service man stationed there? Couple of things, James. Did you notice it did not have the expansion tank? Was this standard on the euro cars like yours? In reality, my expansion tank is useless and vents under the car like most /6's sold outside of CA. According to Johnson's Authenticity book, Italy and Denmark also received the side markers along with Japan & US. Also, the wipers are reversed. Is this an Italian set up? Obviously, this car has been repainted and the over spray and lack of protection of the wiring harness is evident. The hold down tabs are bare without their covers. We know how much faith we put in the CoA. If this car was an Italian delivery, then only the warranty book will provide the answer. The car is still a rare '71 and only requires proper detailing of correct parts to complete. Don |
pete000 |
Sep 19 2011, 09:02 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,885 Joined: 23-August 10 From: Bradenton Florida Member No.: 12,094 Region Association: South East States |
This car is now in AZ and offered at $50000.00 firm.
Nice car but there is overspray on parts from the respray. At that price I would want near perfection in the paint. I think it now has earlier 15" 911 Fuchs which look better IMHO. |
sixerdon |
Sep 20 2011, 07:36 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 466 Joined: 23-May 03 From: Dartmouth, MA Member No.: 731 |
I did a little more digging and apparently this car did come from Italy. The story behind it can be found in the book "Porsches for the Road - The Survivor Series" by Henry Rasmussen, published in 1981. (which I have in my library) The story goes that a gentleman, Sam Cabiglio from SoCA, traveled to Milan, Italy back in '77 to buy cars for his business. Does anyone know him? In short, he found this car on the street with the then current owner and buys it from him almost on the spot......ships it to his place of business in Long Beach, CA.
The pictures depict the car as it was in the late 70's or around the time of the photo shoot. The PORSCHE script on the engine lid is not present. The amber side marker lens is present along with the clear turn signal lens (upside down) as mentioned in the Authenticity book. The headlight surrounds are black which means someone back in the day painted or replaced the white ones. It seems Sam kept the car for several years and at some point popped up on the east coast in NY. Now it has gone back to the southwest. So, from $36k in '08 to $50k now, is it worth it? It does have provenance and is well traveled with two binders worth of records and receipts. I think it shows that the asking prices are rising faster on quality /6's. With a few detail improvements to stock condition I think it would sell on a world market. Don |
Pat Garvey |
Sep 20 2011, 04:03 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
Nice!
Loved it for $36k. Not so much now. Looks like Adriatic Blue, which I love. Would like to see the bottom, but the topside & compartments are near perfect (from the pics). |
Jasfsmith |
Sep 20 2011, 05:06 PM
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Couple of things, James. Did you notice it did not have the expansion tank? Was this standard on the euro cars like yours? In reality, my expansion tank is useless and vents under the car like most /6's sold outside of CA. Don No expansion tank on my Euro car. Importing required that it meet DOT standards. They were very lax. All you had to do was show that it met the DOT (i.e. side markers) via photo documentation and approval was made. Bubble gum does a great job for "posing" such items for the camera. Fortuantely it was exempt from emissions testing. |
pete000 |
Sep 22 2011, 06:59 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,885 Joined: 23-August 10 From: Bradenton Florida Member No.: 12,094 Region Association: South East States |
Interesting history, the dealer has a lot of photos of the car top and bottom. They had it on a lift.
FYI: It has a side shift conversion with the OEM gear box. The numbers match so at some time it had a trans update. The seats look to be smooth vinyl ? Not sure if that look quite right to me. Also the lack of detail on the respray getting over spray on a lot of the parts makes the 50 grand asking price a bit steep IMHO... |
Jasfsmith |
Sep 23 2011, 08:29 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 556 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Bangor, ME Member No.: 2,882 Region Association: North East States |
The seats look to be smooth vinyl ? Not sure if that look quite right to me. Also the lack of detail on the respray getting over spray on a lot of the parts makes the 50 grand asking price a bit steep IMHO... 1971 smooth seat inserts would be correct. I too would agree that the 50k is a bit much. I would peg it closer to 35k. Regardless it is a very nice car. |
haasman |
Oct 1 2011, 08:30 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 30 Joined: 19-January 09 From: United States Member No.: 9,947 Region Association: Northern California |
I seriously looked at this car. I was, for a while, fascinated by it. It was after seeing the over-spray on the oil filler neck, wiring harnesses that it cooled for me.
I ended up buying a 1970 914-6 with 57k miles, in very original condition (white/brown). The previous owner was very keen on keeping the car original. All the previous 3 owners and uninterrupted paperwork documents the provenance. I even had to agree to offer him first right of refusal if I ever decided to sell it. The PO went through every area of the car. It has been repainted but only with the stock paint and color and only exterior. Each little item I have done to the car is only done to keep it stock. There are some changes from stock, but these could easily be reversed such as deep-6 Fuchs and jet-coating the exhaust. After a several years of researching the 6's, there are very few surveyors. Of these most have been converted to some sort of competition use. A truly stock 914-6 is a very, very rare car. I think $35k for that car then was just about right. I paid more for my car and continue to be very happy I did. Haasman |
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