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kenshapiro2002
post Oct 13 2009, 05:34 AM
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Thanks.Everybody in here was less knowledgeable and less skilled at this stuff than I am...at some point. As a retired teacher, I'm used to taking people from where they currently are, and remembering what it was like "back then". I appreciate the help soooo much, and understand the occasional smart ass who has forgotten what it was like back before they were enlightened. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)



QUOTE(jaxdream @ Oct 13 2009, 02:30 AM) *

The fella is trying do solve some issues himself, I won't knock him for that . Not everybody was born with a wrench in hand, it takes time and most of all patience. He's no different than others here , he just wants to get his car running , rolling , stopping very well so he can enjoy the pleasure of driving and owning a 914.
Ken your persistance will pay off!! Keep it up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

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post Oct 13 2009, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 13 2009, 04:29 AM) *

See...if I just say "Thanks" (to your compliment about my funniness) withour quoting you, nobody will know what the hell I'm responding to. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

QUOTE(McMark @ Oct 12 2009, 11:34 PM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) You guys are funny. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)

Now I'm just polluting your thread out of spite. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)
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post Oct 13 2009, 12:01 PM
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It's not pollution...it's communication.


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QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 13 2009, 04:29 AM) *

See...if I just say "Thanks" (to your compliment about my funniness) withour quoting you, nobody will know what the hell I'm responding to. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

QUOTE(McMark @ Oct 12 2009, 11:34 PM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) You guys are funny. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)

Now I'm just polluting your thread out of spite. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)
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post Oct 13 2009, 12:05 PM
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McMark is to McDonald's as Mark is to fine dining? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)
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post Oct 13 2009, 01:53 PM
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What do you mean? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)

QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 13 2009, 11:01 AM) *

It's not pollution...it's communication.


QUOTE(McMark @ Oct 13 2009, 01:54 PM) *

QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 13 2009, 04:29 AM) *

See...if I just say "Thanks" (to your compliment about my funniness) withour quoting you, nobody will know what the hell I'm responding to. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

QUOTE(McMark @ Oct 12 2009, 11:34 PM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) You guys are funny. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)
QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 13 2009, 11:01 AM) *

It's not pollution...it's communication.


QUOTE(McMark @ Oct 13 2009, 01:54 PM) *

QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 13 2009, 04:29 AM) *

See...if I just say "Thanks" (to your compliment about my funniness) withour quoting you, nobody will know what the hell I'm responding to. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

QUOTE(McMark @ Oct 12 2009, 11:34 PM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) You guys are funny. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)
QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 13 2009, 11:01 AM) *

It's not pollution...it's communication.


QUOTE(McMark @ Oct 13 2009, 01:54 PM) *

QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 13 2009, 04:29 AM) *

See...if I just say "Thanks" (to your compliment about my funniness) withour quoting you, nobody will know what the hell I'm responding to. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

QUOTE(McMark @ Oct 12 2009, 11:34 PM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) You guys are funny. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)
QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 13 2009, 11:01 AM) *

It's not pollution...it's communication.


QUOTE(McMark @ Oct 13 2009, 01:54 PM) *

QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 13 2009, 04:29 AM) *

See...if I just say "Thanks" (to your compliment about my funniness) withour quoting you, nobody will know what the hell I'm responding to. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

QUOTE(McMark @ Oct 12 2009, 11:34 PM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) You guys are funny. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)
QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 13 2009, 11:01 AM) *

It's not pollution...it's communication.


QUOTE(McMark @ Oct 13 2009, 01:54 PM) *

QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 13 2009, 04:29 AM) *

See...if I just say "Thanks" (to your compliment about my funniness) withour quoting you, nobody will know what the hell I'm responding to. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

QUOTE(McMark @ Oct 12 2009, 11:34 PM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) You guys are funny. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)
QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 13 2009, 11:01 AM) *

It's not pollution...it's communication.


QUOTE(McMark @ Oct 13 2009, 01:54 PM) *

QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 13 2009, 04:29 AM) *

See...if I just say "Thanks" (to your compliment about my funniness) withour quoting you, nobody will know what the hell I'm responding to. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

QUOTE(McMark @ Oct 12 2009, 11:34 PM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) You guys are funny. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)

Now I'm just polluting your thread out of spite. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)




(IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)

Now I'm just polluting your thread out of spite. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)




(IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)

Now I'm just polluting your thread out of spite. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)




(IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)

Now I'm just polluting your thread out of spite. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)




(IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)

Now I'm just polluting your thread out of spite. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)




(IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)

Now I'm just polluting your thread out of spite. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)
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post Oct 13 2009, 02:22 PM
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Rebuilding carb #2 right now and awaiting head to intake gaskets that should be here today or tomorrow. Hope to be synching in a few days!
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post Oct 13 2009, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 12 2009, 06:34 PM) *

Neither do I, but then again, he didn't say that we did. He said, "You don't need to quote something in every reply", meaning we do it too often for his likes. I am trying, therefore, to cut back. It must be a bad thing, and I wanna be good.Like when you told me not to post my questions to "both" sites. I stopped that when you spanked me, and now you've been spanked too. Hurts horribly doesn't it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)

I dont quote everything...

Rich

Not at all...I know McMark was just in a mood...it happens.

So, howsitgoin?

If you did not take out the vents...you should..its really simple...just pull.
There is alot of crap stuck in behind them...just more crap to get into the jets and motor.
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post Oct 13 2009, 04:56 PM
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Man, there is going to be one big group hug / pat on the back when ( notice i didn't say if :-) ) Ken gets these carbs back on and the darn thing runs!
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post Oct 13 2009, 06:22 PM
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I'm actually hoping soe of you can come to Baltimore "if" it doesn't work out. BTW the chokes have "28" on them. and the auxiliary venturis have 4.5 on them. That make sense?


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Man, there is going to be one big group hug / pat on the back when ( notice i didn't say if :-) ) Ken gets these carbs back on and the darn thing runs!
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post Oct 13 2009, 06:23 PM
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My butterflies "snap" shut beautifully, but if I release them slowly they hang up a little just prior to being closed. I've sprayed and soaked the springs, spindles, etc. and hit them with CRC silicone. Problem? Solution?
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post Oct 13 2009, 07:25 PM
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Ken, I am in Baltimore every day for work. Let me know if you need help.

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post Oct 13 2009, 07:48 PM
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Zach,

I hope to be able to get this all done by myself*

* that means with the support of you guys

That being said, it's comforting to have that offer. Either way...ever go out for lunch? If so, Ill drop by and but you lunch one day...just drop me a PM and let me know if that works for you. I am a man of leisure and love combining my Harley with lunch runs!


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Ken, I am in Baltimore every day for work. Let me know if you need help.

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post Oct 13 2009, 08:07 PM
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Zach,

I hope to be able to get this all done by myself*

* that means with the support of you guys

That being said, it's comforting to have that offer. Either way...ever go out for lunch? If so, Ill drop by and but you lunch one day...just drop me a PM and let me know if that works for you. I am a man of leisure and love combining my Harley with lunch runs!


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Ken, I am in Baltimore every day for work. Let me know if you need help.

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Woohoo lunch!
Its the simple things that please me at times.

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post Oct 13 2009, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 13 2009, 07:23 PM) *

My butterflies "snap" shut beautifully, but if I release them slowly they hang up a little just prior to being closed. I've sprayed and soaked the springs, spindles, etc. and hit them with CRC silicone. Problem? Solution?


Did you remove them from the shaft? If they aren't lined up perfectly in the bore they can hang up. If you did remove them or mess with the screws try this: Loosen the machine screws on both butterflies with them closed. The butterflies will shift just a tad to true themselves up in the bores. Then tighten them back up. See if that helps.

If you never messed with them use some caution. The screws strip easily. They are brass. If you can't break them loose easily don't bother. If you mess them up you'll create a nightmare for yourself. BTDT.
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post Oct 13 2009, 08:58 PM
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Didn't touch them. Think I'll try some more spraying (carb cleaner) , re-lubing, and "working" them before I try loosening those screws.
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IIRC the holes in the butterfly are slotted or oversized. The shaft is counter sunk on the top and threaded on the bottom. You sandwich the butterfly on the shaft. If the screws break loose it's easy to adjust them. If the screws strip you'll know the definition of nightmare. Imagine trying to drill out 4 brass screws deep inside your carb bore. It's damn near impossible to do without screwing something up. The last time it happened to me I ended up buying a new shaft.
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post Oct 14 2009, 09:28 AM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I should have the second carb finished and ready for install very soon. My plan is to get the linkage hooked up, and adjusted first. I know I'll need to adjust the linkage becasue I switched to the much thicker phenolic gaskets under the intake runners. Then, get her started (hopefully) before dropping the linkage to balance the carbs.

Make sense?
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post Oct 14 2009, 09:43 AM
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BTW...any thing I'm looking for with linkage adjustment other than matching angles, simultaneous throttle opening (how do I assess that?), no binding, no slop?
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QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Oct 14 2009, 08:28 AM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I should have the second carb finished and ready for install very soon. My plan is to get the linkage hooked up, and adjusted first. I know I'll need to adjust the linkage becasue I switched to the much thicker phenolic gaskets under the intake runners. Then, get her started (hopefully) before dropping the linkage to balance the carbs.

Make sense?

Sounds like a plan, adding the thick washers may not make much difference, I don't recall what linkage style you have - hex bar, not much of a change, other style mounted to a crankcase pivot may need extending slightly.

BTW, I would not touch the butterfly either. Have you checked their alignment? To do this, turn in the slow running screw so that you can fit a 0.004 inch narrow feeler gauge between the bore and the upper edge of the butterfly, as viewed from the bottom of the carb, then check the other butterfly, it should be exactly the same. If they are then you are probbaly fine, if not then you may have to undo the screws and adjust, let us know what you find.
The 4/1000 inch setting is also the correct starting point for the slow setting, the idle and bypass orifices in the barrel are correctly covered or exposed at this point for the slow running setting.

Getting there, take it slowly and you will be fine !

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BTW...any thing I'm looking for with linkage adjustment other than matching angles, simultaneous throttle opening (how do I assess that?), no binding, no slop?

Not sure if i sent you this before, but this is for the hex linkage setup -
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