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SirAndy
post Aug 13 2008, 02:05 PM
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I found quite a few Chassis Numbers lately that don't go with the factory CN decoding ...

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For example:

4140050
This one has a 0 instead of the 9

0759607
This one is wrong for an early CN, as it has a 6 instead of a 5 and would also be wrong for a late CN unless they made 607 cars that day

4459616
Late Car, Build Date 10/75, wrong for a late CN unless they made 616 cars that day


All these examples are from pictures of the Karmann plates ...
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post Aug 13 2008, 03:01 PM
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4140050 is a factory typo
0759607, 4459616 happens when they make more than 100 a day, this was quite common some times.

I found some examples of xxy92zz in the data. I'm not sure what to make of that as yet. I need the people to submit photos, and check the body stamping vs the Karmann badge.

The factory was not perfect, and many errors are known.
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post Aug 13 2008, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE(davep @ Aug 13 2008, 01:01 PM) *

4459616 happens when they make more than 100 a day, this was quite common some times.


Huh? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

You're saying that they made 616 cars in one single day?
The total production number for '75 is 7924 cars, so 616 is roughly 8% ...

8% of the years production in one single day? if so, what were they doing for the other 350 days that year?
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post Aug 13 2008, 07:37 PM
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let us see that Karmann plate and give me the VIN also
I'd bet that 6 is really a 0.
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post Aug 13 2008, 07:53 PM
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Maybe they made 616 plates that day and installed them as needed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Aug 13 2008, 07:54 PM
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I have a chassis # like that. Mine is a '73 and has a 96 in the number: 0159601, so I suppose this means that mine was # 101 for the day?
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post Aug 13 2008, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE(plymouth37 @ Aug 13 2008, 05:54 PM) *

Mine is a '73 and has a 96 in the number: 0159601, does this mean that mine was # 101 for the day?

Yes indeed. A Friday build in the first week of January 1973. The body shop was pumping them out at that time.
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post Aug 13 2008, 08:08 PM
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I must be a real oddball then, I have a 5 in mine on a 74 1.8L. (0619534, sorry the four is hard to see.)

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post Aug 13 2008, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE(plymouth37 @ Aug 13 2008, 06:54 PM) *

I have a chassis # like that. Mine is a '73 and has a 96 in the number: 0159601, so I suppose this means that mine was # 101 for the day?
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The 5 in the 3rd position means it was made on Friday.
After lunch (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif) on Friday all bets are off.
The 6 look like a 1 to Heinze (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Aug 13 2008, 08:23 PM
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I must be a real oddball then, I have a 5 in mine on a 74 1.8L. (0619534, sorry the four is hard to see.)

No oddball, that is most common. Monday of the 6th week of 1974, 34th body that day. So mid February production, just prior to the beginning of LE production.
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post Aug 13 2008, 08:31 PM
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No oddball, that is most common. Monday of the 6th week of 1974, 34th body that day. So mid February production, just prior to the beginning of LE production.


I must have missed something in the previous replies then, what is the 5 for? Or is it just a typo like the 6 in previous replies?
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post Aug 13 2008, 08:34 PM
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The 95 is supposed to be in the middle of the chassis number, except when there are more than 100 tubs made that day (like mine) when they used a 96 to eliminate duplicates. The 96 is not a typo, for example on early cars XXX9501 is the 1st car of the day while XXX9601 is the 101st car of the day.
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post Aug 13 2008, 08:41 PM
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The 95 is supposed to be in the middle of the chassis number, except when there are more than 100 tubs made that day (like mine) when they used a 96 to eliminate duplicates. The 96 is not a typo, for example on early cars XXX9501 is the 1st car of the day while XXX9601 is the 101st car of the day.



Ah, I got it now. Thanks for clearing that up.
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I found some examples of xxy92zz in the data. I'm not sure what to make of that as yet. I need the people to submit photos, and check the body stamping vs the Karmann badge.



Maybe a hungover German put the 5 die in upside-down. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif)
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post Aug 15 2008, 05:45 AM
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Ok i have a 74 1.8 and the chassis number is 0549548.
So if i get this right it is:
built the 5th week of 74 on a thursday at Karman and was the 48th body biult.

It has a 2/74 date on the vin, which vives with the chassis number. The vin is 4742914258. if i decode it the way people on the site say: 74=914-4, 4= 1974, 29= karman, 14258 is the build number? how can that be in February of 74? They on;y built 11,415 914's in 74? Or am i decoding it wrong? My Dad was the orig. owner so i know the VIN is correct. What am i missing?
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post Aug 15 2008, 08:51 AM
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QUOTE(michaelmoo @ Aug 15 2008, 04:45 AM) *


They on;y built 11,415 914's in 74?



Did you take this number from the production numbers listed on this site? I believe those numbers refer to calendar year production, not model year. You would also need to add in the 2.0 production for the total number built.

I've been meaning to ask about that chart to confirm that it represents calendar year production.
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post Aug 15 2008, 09:09 AM
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AH yes i just used the 1.8 numbers. The total is 17012 which makes more sense. Kind of. Would a February car be number 14258? Seems like thats a high number for only 17012 cars built and about 7 more months left in the "car year" (dont they stop in September?)
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QUOTE(michaelmoo @ Aug 15 2008, 12:45 PM) *

Ok i have a 74 1.8 and the chassis number is 0549548.
So if i get this right it is:
built the 5th week of 74 on a thursday at Karman and was the 48th body biult.

It has a 2/74 date on the vin, which vives with the chassis number. The vin is 4742914258. if i decode it the way people on the site say: 74=914-4, 4= 1974, 29= karman, 14258 is the build number? how can that be in February of 74? They on;y built 11,415 914's in 74? Or am i decoding it wrong? My Dad was the orig. owner so i know the VIN is correct. What am i missing?
Mike


seems to be pretty clear to me:

0549548 => Tuesday Jan 31, 1974 - the 48th body
02/72 => car was completed in February 1974 - that's o.k. when the body was built on Jan 31

14258 - the VIN always relates to the MODEL YEAR, not calendar year
and the model year '74 started in August 1973 (!!!)

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post Aug 15 2008, 09:31 AM
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Thanks Gustl. I guess i wasn't starting in August... Now it makes much more sense. Thanks!!!!
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post Aug 15 2008, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE(michaelmoo @ Aug 15 2008, 08:09 AM) *

AH yes i just used the 1.8 numbers. The total is 17012 which makes more sense. Kind of. Would a February car be number 14258? Seems like thats a high number for only 17012 cars built and about 7 more months left in the "car year" (dont they stop in September?)


Some of the '74 MY production is reflected in the '73 column. Note that there were 3903 1.8s produced in '73 yet no '73 914s had 1.8s.
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