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> Repainting the 914: Down to metal, always?, Curious to get your thoughts
Repainting: Down to metal, ALWAYS?
What say you?
Better skin the panels, remove the fenders, and go whole hog [ 10 ] ** [5.35%]
Down to metal, no matter what -- it's the only way [ 83 ] ** [44.39%]
Strip only where you see rust bubbles, then trust the factory primer [ 64 ] ** [34.22%]
Prep and paint it as is -- but if it's only been repainted once [ 14 ] ** [7.49%]
Prep it quick and shoot it, who cares? [ 6 ] ** [3.21%]
I paint with brushes [ 10 ] ** [5.35%]
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post Jan 14 2008, 09:04 AM
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Attached ImageI'm on my second strip job now, first was my 74, now my75. I'ts a HELL OF A LOT OF WORK....did you get the emphasis--Not for the faint of heart.

Also consider, after you strip and re-work the body, everything else looks like crap, which leads you down that slippery slope of refurbish/replace/$$$$$$.

Lastly, once you determine the bottom line for your budget, double or tripple it and then you are closer to reality.


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post Jan 14 2008, 09:47 AM
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If this is THE 914 you love, then you will proabaly never be really happy with it wthout a bare metal resto, otherwise, turn a blind eye and spray away!!
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post Jan 14 2008, 01:48 PM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif) I will (and have ) vote for the bare metal with a few places left un touched. I also give a BIG thumbs up for the soda blast....did it with mine and it rocks!! $$$ but can be done in your driveway.

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post May 14 2008, 12:59 AM
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Depends on the car...
Factory primer is tough...
If you strip out all the paint how good is the new paint coverage in say the insides of the doors?
Lots of pros and cons...
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post May 14 2008, 06:54 PM
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Hey Pete,
I don't know if you remember the details of mine, but I got the body down to the factory paint and addressed specific areas/dents from there. The doors/lids I paint stripped to bare metal. I then took it to the body shop. I really had no rust on the body. It still looks really good today. The paint is 13 years old this month and I still get compliments. Color sanded, acrylic enamel. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) $1,600 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Mar 19 2010, 02:26 PM
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OK, WTF with the date?

My screen says May 14, 2008 for the last post by kreiger914 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post Mar 19 2010, 02:28 PM
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Now it's back to March 19, 2010...

Did I just travel backwards and forwards in time???? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/very_first_smiley[1].gif)
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post Mar 19 2010, 02:32 PM
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Um.... except for yours, just now, the last post on this thread was May 14, 2008. Perhaps this thread got bumped by a new poll reply.

We really need to shut polls older than X months.
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post Mar 19 2010, 02:40 PM
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Well it popped up to the top of the thread list with a date of today....

One more thing, I read all the comments in a thread and it's still flagged as "unread" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Alien invasion? Time vortex? Magnetic discontinuity? Kali Triangle?
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post Mar 19 2010, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE(kwales @ Mar 19 2010, 01:40 PM) *

Well it popped up to the top of the thread list with a date of today....

One more thing, I read all the comments in a thread and it's still flagged as "unread" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Alien invasion? Time vortex? Magnetic discontinuity? Kali Triangle?

No. McMark nailed it. It's a POLL ...

Every time someone votes in a poll, the thread get's bumped to the top. They don't need to actually post anything in the thread.

So, someone is digging through old threads and votes in polls that have been dead for years thus bumping them to the top of the list.

If it shows up as "unread" again, all that means is that someone else has voted in the poll after you read it.

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post Mar 19 2010, 04:08 PM
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Only paint over paint if it is the original factory finish and the finish is good but just faded. If EVER a repaint, media blasted down to bare metal, not ground down, not sand blasted, NOT chemical stripped!!!


QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Apr 26 2007, 08:09 PM) *

So I'm curious to see what the collected wisdom and experience here says -- and I'd like to hear from those who are NOT/have NOT stripped the car of every part for a "rotisserie" style restoration.

This is for those of us with running, driving 914s considering a paint job yet less than enthusiastic about disassembling the whole car.

I'd especially like to hear from Dr. 914 and others who have restored multiple 914s over time and seen how the paint jobs held up. Is a rust bubble the kiss of death for all surrounding metal?

Thanks, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

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Here are some of the cars in our body shop. Anyone recognize theirs?????

http://autobodymd.net/showcase/index.php
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post Mar 19 2010, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Mar 19 2010, 03:08 PM) *

Only paint over paint if it is the original factory finish and the finish is good but just faded. If EVER a repaint, media blasted down to bare metal, not ground down, not sand blasted, NOT chemical stripped!!!


QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Apr 26 2007, 08:09 PM) *

So I'm curious to see what the collected wisdom and experience here says -- and I'd like to hear from those who are NOT/have NOT stripped the car of every part for a "rotisserie" style restoration.

This is for those of us with running, driving 914s considering a paint job yet less than enthusiastic about disassembling the whole car.

I'd especially like to hear from Dr. 914 and others who have restored multiple 914s over time and seen how the paint jobs held up. Is a rust bubble the kiss of death for all surrounding metal?

Thanks, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

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Gotta ask. Why not chemically stripped?
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It NEVER fails to get into cracks and crevices and no matter how well it is washed, it later leaks out destroying the paint, if even in a tiny area, ruining the whole job. Plus it is very time consuming, tedious, and filthy work.

QUOTE(Shade Tree @ Mar 19 2010, 03:14 PM) *

QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Mar 19 2010, 03:08 PM) *

Only paint over paint if it is the original factory finish and the finish is good but just faded. If EVER a repaint, media blasted down to bare metal, not ground down, not sand blasted, NOT chemical stripped!!!


QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Apr 26 2007, 08:09 PM) *

So I'm curious to see what the collected wisdom and experience here says -- and I'd like to hear from those who are NOT/have NOT stripped the car of every part for a "rotisserie" style restoration.

This is for those of us with running, driving 914s considering a paint job yet less than enthusiastic about disassembling the whole car.

I'd especially like to hear from Dr. 914 and others who have restored multiple 914s over time and seen how the paint jobs held up. Is a rust bubble the kiss of death for all surrounding metal?

Thanks, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

pete





Gotta ask. Why not chemically stripped?
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post Mar 19 2010, 04:38 PM
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There is an electro process used here in Cincinnati that is amazing. I've had them remove the foam from inside a rusty rear trunk, and killl all of the rust inside and out without chemicals that will screw up paint. They also took a 914 front fender and killed the rust INSIDE the rear double walled area as I requested.

For me, $65 a panel and darned well worth it. They also do rusty cast iron engine blocks without any dimensional bore or finish changes, and can do whole cars.

I watched them pull a Model-T from their in-ground car size tank, and hose it off without protection. No rust anywhere on their work. I asked about 5 years ago and they rough quoted $1000/car.

Here's the site.

http://www.americanmetalcleaning.us/
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post Mar 19 2010, 10:11 PM
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I AM THE HARBINGER OF JACKSTAND DEATH. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif)

UNLESS THIS IS YOUR SECOND 914 AND YOU HAVE A DAILY DRIVER... OR YOU REALLY WANT A NEW CAR WHEN YOU'RE FINISHED... OR YOU'RE FILTHY RICH...NOT TO THE METAL...

SAND PREP AND PAINT (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) AND DRIVE... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/andy914.jpg)

REMEMBER, IT'S NOT JUST THE PAINTING BUT THE PUTTING IT BACK TOGETHER THAT'S A SHITLOAD OF WORK. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) ASK ME HOW I KNOW. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif)
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post Mar 20 2010, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE(bandjoey @ Mar 19 2010, 11:11 PM) *

I AM THE HARBINGER OF JACKSTAND DEATH. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif)

UNLESS THIS IS YOUR SECOND 914 AND YOU HAVE A DAILY DRIVER... OR YOU REALLY WANT A NEW CAR WHEN YOU'RE FINISHED... OR YOU'RE FILTHY RICH...NOT TO THE METAL...

SAND PREP AND PAINT (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) AND DRIVE... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/andy914.jpg)

REMEMBER, IT'S NOT JUST THE PAINTING BUT THE PUTTING IT BACK TOGETHER THAT'S A SHITLOAD OF WORK. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) ASK ME HOW I KNOW. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif)


Bill,

Please post some progress pix of your car. Maybe even a new thread. I'm going through the same thing and would l love to see some progress pics. My car is still not completely apart and I have a long way to go.

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Well, I planned to sand down to the last fill coat, but went to bare metal. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...l=Fun+with+rust

The thing turned into way more than I expected, but you can read about my progress here. There is light at the end of the tunnel!

Best,

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if your going to spend money on expensive paint why not get the car get down to bare metal or down the road old rust bondo will ruin your nicely painted car and cost you more in the long run, i work at a restoration shop and you would be surpised what you can find on a car you thought was in nice shape after getting under the coats of paint and bondo ,
QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Apr 26 2007, 07:09 PM) *

So I'm curious to see what the collected wisdom and experience here says -- and I'd like to hear from those who are NOT/have NOT stripped the car of every part for a "rotisserie" style restoration.

This is for those of us with running, driving 914s considering a paint job yet less than enthusiastic about disassembling the whole car.

I'd especially like to hear from Dr. 914 and others who have restored multiple 914s over time and seen how the paint jobs held up. Is a rust bubble the kiss of death for all surrounding metal?

Thanks, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

pete
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QUOTE(bandjoey @ Mar 19 2010, 11:11 PM) *

I AM THE HARBINGER OF JACKSTAND DEATH. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif)

UNLESS THIS IS YOUR SECOND 914 AND YOU HAVE A DAILY DRIVER... OR YOU REALLY WANT A NEW CAR WHEN YOU'RE FINISHED... OR YOU'RE FILTHY RICH...NOT TO THE METAL...

SAND PREP AND PAINT (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) AND DRIVE... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/andy914.jpg)

REMEMBER, IT'S NOT JUST THE PAINTING BUT THE PUTTING IT BACK TOGETHER THAT'S A SHITLOAD OF WORK. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) ASK ME HOW I KNOW. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif)



I'm with Bill...
I think it depends on what you want... obviously if perfection is your goal... bare metal is the path. but for a lot of us looking to freshen paint for a driver, you can peel back to the factory paint, and if you aren't finding major rust issues... paint on, and drive
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