 4 Cylinder 911 based motor, Polo - by Dean Polopolus of APE, Inc. |
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| bcheney |
 Nov 7 2010, 04:23 PM
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I went to the Winter Park, Florida Concours De Elegance today and saw one of the coolest Porsche cars I have ever seen. It was a 356 "Special" built by Emory Motorsports. It has a 4 cylinder, 911 based motor. Dean Polopolus. Owner of APE, Inc. has engineered a powerful high performance piece of machinery by developing the Polo 4 cylinder 911. The Crank case has been casted and machined and is now in various cars all over the world. Glad I went to this event today....Have you guys ever seen or heard of this motor?
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| Derek Seymour |
Nov 8 2010, 08:18 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 394 Joined: 10-March 09 From: Yucaipa Member No.: 10,151 Region Association: Southern California |
I have wanted one for a 912 for years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| URY914 |
Nov 8 2010, 08:25 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,758 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
If I had all the money I'd take two -6's and make a -12. Go big or go home.
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| scotty b |
Nov 8 2010, 09:14 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(JmuRiz @ Nov 8 2010, 06:14 PM)  If I had all the money I wish I had, one of those would be in my 356...but I dont't (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) But hey, they are WAY less $ than a 4-cam carrera motor. One of my customers has a 4 cam speedster. Dean's motor is nice, but that 4 cam is a work of art. Amazing engine.... I think he had around 25,000.00 just in the rebuild of the engine 3 years ago.......The polopolous motor make a lot more power though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) |
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| Jake Raby |
Nov 8 2010, 09:46 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
I've had quite a bit of exposure to the Carrera engine... Driving a 4 cam speedster lightweight was nice, but it wasn't impressive for the 416K it cost. That engine cost 125K to build in 2003.
I'll post pics tomorrow. I'd take a 2270 TIV anyday over it, the Carrera STARTS making power at 5K and thats no fun with the Le Mans gearing that was in the lightweight. |
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| VaccaRabite |
Nov 9 2010, 08:10 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,446 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I'll be "That Guy."
Aside from the fact that it looks like a baby 6, whats the point? Just to say that you have something more or less unique? I just don't get spending 2X as much as building a six to make it into a four. Where is the benefit? Zach |
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| nein14 |
Nov 9 2010, 08:31 AM
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QUOTE(bcheney @ Nov 7 2010, 03:23 PM) I went to the Winter Park, Florida Concours De Elegance today and saw one of the coolest Porsche cars I have ever seen. It was a 356 "Special" built by Emory Motorsports. It has a 4 cylinder, 911 based motor. Dean Polopolus. Owner of APE, Inc. has engineered a powerful high performance piece of machinery by developing the Polo 4 cylinder 911. The Crank case has been casted and machined and is now in various cars all over the world. Glad I went to this event today....Have you guys ever seen or heard of this motor? I have lusted (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) oveer this motor sicne I had seen the article in Excellence and contacted Dean and got a info package on his motor. For me a turbo charged version of the motor in a my current 914 GT turbo would be the ultimate 6 conversion with weight savings (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
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| mepstein |
Nov 9 2010, 09:13 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,280 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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QUOTE(Vacca Rabite @ Nov 9 2010, 09:10 AM) I'll be "That Guy." Aside from the fact that it looks like a baby 6, whats the point? Just to say that you have something more or less unique? I just don't get spending 2X as much as building a six to make it into a four. Where is the benefit? Zach It fits in a 356. |
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| JmuRiz |
Nov 9 2010, 09:59 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,429 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Nov 9 2010, 07:13 AM) QUOTE(Vacca Rabite @ Nov 9 2010, 09:10 AM) I'll be "That Guy." Aside from the fact that it looks like a baby 6, whats the point? Just to say that you have something more or less unique? I just don't get spending 2X as much as building a six to make it into a four. Where is the benefit? Zach It fits in a 356. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I'd never put one in a 914 or 912, since a 6 fits so easily...a 6 in a 356 takes a lot of work and setup to make it not handle like a boat. 2270 would be the smart money, but hey, we're talking about fantasy money here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| Jake Raby |
Nov 9 2010, 10:37 AM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE a 6 in a 356 takes a lot of work and setup to make it not handle like a boat. But not a TIV... In fact in conversion form the TIV is the same weight as a fully dressed 356 engine... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.aircooledtechnology.com-1095-1289320675.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.aircooledtechnology.com-1095-1289320676.2.jpg) |
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| VaccaRabite |
Nov 9 2010, 11:08 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,446 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Nov 9 2010, 11:37 AM) QUOTE a 6 in a 356 takes a lot of work and setup to make it not handle like a boat. But not a TIV... In fact in conversion form the TIV is the same weight as a fully dressed 356 engine... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.aircooledtechnology.com-1095-1289320675.1.jpg) And there is the point. 10K will get you a heck of a nice T4. 10K will get you a great Subaru conversion with enough power to kill the transmission - with near zero added weight. 15K will get you a totally bitch'n T4. No matter what engine you put in it, its a conversion car with a lowered resale. While the 4 engine here is undoubtably cool, I don't know that this engine could do anything that the T4 or Scoob could not do at 1/2 or 3/4 the price - and down the line it will be very hard to find parts for if it needs them. Then again, I may be looking at it from the point of view of a guy with insufficient bankroll to appreciate such things. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) ? Zach |
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| nein14 |
Nov 9 2010, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE(Vacca Rabite @ Nov 9 2010, 10:08 AM) QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Nov 9 2010, 11:37 AM) QUOTE a 6 in a 356 takes a lot of work and setup to make it not handle like a boat. But not a TIV... In fact in conversion form the TIV is the same weight as a fully dressed 356 engine... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.aircooledtechnology.com-1095-1289320675.1.jpg) And there is the point. 10K will get you a heck of a nice T4. 10K will get you a great Subaru conversion with enough power to kill the transmission - with near zero added weight. 15K will get you a totally bitch'n T4. No matter what engine you put in it, its a conversion car with a lowered resale. While the 4 engine here is undoubtably cool, I don't know that this engine could do anything that the T4 or Scoob could not do at 1/2 or 3/4 the price - and down the line it will be very hard to find parts for if it needs them. Then again, I may be looking at it from the point of view of a guy with insufficient bankroll to appreciate such things. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) ? Zach This absolutely about the uniqueness and cool factor and best of all its all porsche (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) |
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| bandjoey |
Nov 9 2010, 12:28 PM
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bandjoey Group: Members Posts: 4,926 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region |
"This absolutely about the uniqueness and cool factor and best of all its all porsche"
On any of the above motors....It's Only Money we're talking about. In these areas, who gives a flip about resale? (Naturally, I'm speaking for the rich, like Doctors and such (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) ) For the rest of us, if we could get one, we would. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) What a great idea and cool 356! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif) |
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| Jake Raby |
Nov 9 2010, 12:41 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
The beauty of the TIV in that 356 is the 100% bolt in affair that coupled it together..
No body mods, no suspensions mods and no transaxle mods were necessary. The OE engine could be replaced in less than two evenings. |
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| JmuRiz |
Nov 9 2010, 12:57 PM
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Good point.
Maybe I'll tell that to a local guy I may sell my 2.0 to for his beetle :-) |
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| mepstein |
Nov 9 2010, 02:49 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,280 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(nein14 @ Nov 9 2010, 01:02 PM) QUOTE(Vacca Rabite @ Nov 9 2010, 10:08 AM) QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Nov 9 2010, 11:37 AM) QUOTE a 6 in a 356 takes a lot of work and setup to make it not handle like a boat. But not a TIV... In fact in conversion form the TIV is the same weight as a fully dressed 356 engine... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.aircooledtechnology.com-1095-1289320675.1.jpg) And there is the point. 10K will get you a heck of a nice T4. 10K will get you a great Subaru conversion with enough power to kill the transmission - with near zero added weight. 15K will get you a totally bitch'n T4. No matter what engine you put in it, its a conversion car with a lowered resale. While the 4 engine here is undoubtably cool, I don't know that this engine could do anything that the T4 or Scoob could not do at 1/2 or 3/4 the price - and down the line it will be very hard to find parts for if it needs them. Then again, I may be looking at it from the point of view of a guy with insufficient bankroll to appreciate such things. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) ? Zach This absolutely about the uniqueness and cool factor and best of all its all porsche (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) Eye candy |
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| ME733 |
Nov 9 2010, 03:09 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 842 Joined: 25-June 08 From: Atlanta Ga. Member No.: 9,209 Region Association: South East States |
....Included in the "cool factor" are a few points not mentioned.., All of the inherent design advantages such as,..It,s an overhead cam engine, stock with dual valve springs,and large valves,with a "hemi" combustion chamber, valves are opposed ,twin plug would be no problem, more main bearings,set-up for dry sump as oem, Higher sustained RPM,s with more reliability,plentful parts..chains,seals, bearings,piston and cylinders,etc., and all the trick parts, and racing knowledge of the 911 engine would apply....all in all a very great idea. Naturally as a deritave of the 911 engine it costs more than a 914-411 VW engine. Naturally.
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| mepstein |
Nov 9 2010, 05:24 PM
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I get it.
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| Jake Raby |
Nov 9 2010, 07:36 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Here is another example from the Dana Point concourse earlier this year...
Thats a DTM equipped, 2270 Raby TIV in stealth mode... It fooled lots of people, even at Dana Point! Attention to detail? Hell Yeah!    |
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| Mike Bellis |
Nov 9 2010, 07:47 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,345 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None 
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Well, I'll be that "other guy". If I were to spend $28K on an engine it would be the H1 V8. 450hp, 10K red line, weighs 200 lbs... Sorry I'm not even close to being a purest...
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