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Dr Evil
post Mar 20 2006, 08:55 PM
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Hey all,
I just recieved my power window kit today and figured that I would post pics of my install/trial so you all could make up your mind if you wanted to get the inexpensive universal kits from ebay. If this install and action is successful I will have one kit available for sale with everything you need, but lets see how it works first. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

(I am not at my home computer so I can not post the pics yet...I will post one of the install tonight when I get home)
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post Mar 21 2006, 03:59 PM
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All of the kits that I have seen use this very hard type of plastic. If you look at late model windows you will see the gears are all made of this material. Not worth machining IMHO.
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post Mar 21 2006, 04:00 PM
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Oh, and there is more than one adaptor that will fit the window crank (just incase).
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The good thing about the adaptor being made from plastic is that if the works get jammed up one day you know that the cheapest and easiest piece to replace is the piece that will break.

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post Mar 21 2006, 10:03 PM
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Mike,
Nice close up of the installation. Can you picture the motor being installed aft of the crank ? I mounted speakers behind the front door panel.

What gauge of wire did you install to the motors ?
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post Mar 21 2006, 11:53 PM
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Hey Mike, Just an idea, I used to install the Spal power window kits a lot back in the day and you may want to experiment with moving your crank assembly back inside the door a little using spacers. It will let your door panel sit closer tot he door.

I will order a set for mine and install them and take pictures as I go so you can see how they go in. They are similar to what you have but I have found them to be the best of the cheap kits. The kit you are using is the Colibri kit.

There is another company out there that makes OEM style power window kits called Electric Life They used to be over in Wilmington off Sepulveda, now they are in Chicago. They make the whole kit with the regulator just like the factory would have done. They were expensive though as I recall. About $500 for a two door kit. They dont make one for the 914 but they have some pretty trick universal kits that could be made to work in our little cars.

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post Mar 22 2006, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Mar 20 2006, 07:54 PM)
Here is the unit almost all of the way installed. Note- I will be trimming mounting tabs at the red lines and may need to cut the door at the green lines to keep the profile down. I will see about the last part when I trial fit my new door panels.

wow.. nice UNCUT doors.. I've nevers seen a "virgin" one, mine were butchered by some guy with a hammer and crowbar to fit crappy speakers.

Nice to know the drives are only a little over a pound each. How much current do they draw and where are you tapping in for power?
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post Mar 23 2006, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE (skline @ Mar 22 2006, 01:53 AM)
Hey Mike, Just an idea, I used to install the Spal power window kits a lot back in the day and you may want to experiment with moving your crank assembly back inside the door a little using spacers. It will let your door panel sit closer tot he door.

I will order a set for mine and install them and take pictures as I go so you can see how they go in. They are similar to what you have but I have found them to be the best of the cheap kits. The kit you are using is the Colibri kit.

There is another company out there that makes OEM style power window kits called Electric Life They used to be over in Wilmington off Sepulveda, now they are in Chicago. They make the whole kit with the regulator just like the factory would have done. They were expensive though as I recall. About $500 for a two door kit. They dont make one for the 914 but they have some pretty trick universal kits that could be made to work in our little cars.

Electric Life

Hey Scott,
Thanks for the tip on the spacing. I was wondering if there was the possibility of swapping door mechanisms so the crank side would be facing into the door. Spacers would be easier. Do you have any opinion on the brand that I decided to go with? I am very pleased with the kit so far. It came with everything from pluggs to wires to switches. I wish I oculd just drive over and install it at your place. No that I need help, just that I miss hanging out with ya.

Jim,
I would guess that the supplied wiring is 12-18 gauge. Plenty thick. As for reverse mounting, I would hae to put screw holes in my door to show you. The little metal tabs come with the kit and let you mount the regulator where ever. If I can get someone to hold it in place I will take a pic.

Brian,
I will likely tap power from my cigarette lighter wires as I have removed my lighter (I only smoke when I am on fire (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) )

I do not knw how much current these will draw, but I have a /6 so it will likely not be of consequence to me.
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post Mar 23 2006, 11:12 PM
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This may seem crazy; but here goes..........................how about replacing the existing turn signal and wiper switch (s) with a multi-tasking switch that could allow contol of the windows. My Volvo has extra stuff crammed into the two stalks; the volvo rear wiper could be a PW onleft/off/onright and the blinker could be up/down when the wiper in is onleft or onright

Is it even doable ?
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post Mar 24 2006, 09:00 AM
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(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/huh.gif) Doable? Sure, but it would probably take a bunch of time and none of the current parts would be adequate for conversion.

You sure have an imagination (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smoke.gif)
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post Mar 24 2006, 09:06 AM
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This would tak it to the next level, albeit some electrical challenges are out there. I'll bet there's someone else who has thought about this and has worked out the solutions......let's see.
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Jim,

just be happy with the power windows (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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post Mar 25 2006, 10:28 PM
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So I took Scott's advise and shimmed my assembly. It made everything so shallow that I had to notch my door to make the assembly fit flush. Of course I took pics for ya'll.


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post Mar 25 2006, 10:29 PM
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Close up (a little blurry). I kinda over did it on the reinforcement, but it looks nice (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)


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Great news and enlightening finds today. I jumpered the motor on the pass side and it worked perfectly. It was just as fast as it should be. The fascinating thing was that when I tested the drivers side it moved much slower (due to it being mounted a bit differently which will be addressed later). I can take video of the window working, but I have no place to host it (and no interest in starting such). If some one want so to host it, I can shoot it maybe tomarrow.
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QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Mar 25 2006, 09:36 PM)
Great news and enlightening finds today. I jumpered the motor on the pass side and it worked perfectly. It was just as fast as it should be. The fascinating thing was that when I tested the drivers side it moved much slower (due to it being mounted a bit differently which will be addressed later). I can take video of the window working, but I have no place to host it (and no interest in starting such). If some one want so to host it, I can shoot it maybe tomarrow.

email it to me and i can host it here on 914club...

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post Mar 25 2006, 10:40 PM
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Alright man, if I can talk the woman into filming it while I jumper it I will send it to you. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)
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I got it filmed, now I gotta figure out how to email a 54Mb video. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)
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QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Apr 1 2006, 06:54 PM)
I got it filmed, now I gotta figure out how to email a 54Mb video. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)

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I am kinda anti AIM. AOL products have spyware and such. I had a roomie put it on my computer and it was a pain to get rid of.

What about yahoo messenger?
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