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> Why do the Europeans build more Hot Rods than us?, Talking about killer Euro Hot hods
Mueller
post Apr 22 2003, 10:30 AM
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Hopefully this will not turn into a bad topic...be civil !!!!!

I've noticed that when it comes to building Hot Rod or super customized badass European cars, none of them seem to come from America.

I've seen Volvo T5 and T6 motors stuffed into early 240 series Volvos...not a small feat, both of these turbo motors are originally installed tranversly and for the 240, the motors must be turned 90° to drive the rear wheels instead of the fronts.

The have killer Mercedes and of course the dopest Porsches ever made come from overseas.

I guess seeing the supposedly Boxster powered 914 got me thinking that we lag behind when it comes to cool or different conversions..

Just a thought...........
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post Apr 22 2003, 11:13 AM
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Hey Mike,

Not sure if you're right...
I'd say it's pretty much equal

I guess it would make sense that the big Porsche tuners are here (Ruf, Gemballa, TechArt, etc). It's the same with tuners for 'murican iron and the rice-cars...

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post Apr 22 2003, 11:18 AM
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Mike..

Its pretty simple.

We build what we have... they build what they have.

They have more Euro built cars and we have more Detroit iron..

How many full on street rods do you see coming out of Europe ?

Oh.. smog laws. I'm sure most of the governments in Europe dont tell them what they can and cant build... they just tax the shit out of them based on what they built.

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post Apr 22 2003, 11:23 AM
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Plus when you do a Porsche hot rod, people on the internet make fun of you. How did US Porsche owners get so sanctimonious? It's like the whole flat six vs. V8 914 debate.
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post Apr 22 2003, 12:01 PM
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My take? It's because we have allowed the proliferation of stupid laws (as opposed to smart laws). The other thing is somewhere along the line we lost the spirit of ingenuity and creativity. We are turning into a culture of people who feel that everything has to be picked from the menu. We let society tell us what to buy, how to dress, where to eat, what to listen to, and what to drive.

Now, just the fact that we are interested in 914's says we're trying to shake that trend a little, and there are especially atypical people like you, Mike (that's a compliment), that buck the trend and actually use their brain and energy to come up with solutions that fit their exact need/want. You don't let anyone tell you what wheels to buy, what EFI to use, and when it comes to bushings you just make your own because the ones on the menu suck. That's cool. The rest of the population is content to be like sheep and buy what they are told to buy and shuffle along with the rest of the drones, or THINK they can customise their life by ordering off the "stand out from the crowd with these approved accessories" menu. The second crowd are just sheep with bling bling (I finally had to ask a teenager the other day what the @#$% that meant).

Once you start ordering exclusively from the menu it gets easy to become lazy. Then these lazy people raise kids who know no other way. And here we are.

I think these people building these unique custom cars still have some independance left in them and I seriously respect that.

-Ben M.
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post Apr 22 2003, 12:20 PM
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The second crowd are just sheep with bling bling (I finally had to ask a teenager the other day what the @#$% that meant).


"Excuse me young lad. I've noticed the kids today have a new phraseology in their vernacular that I am unfamiliar with. It is the term, bling bling. Is this something that has been gleaned from the popular culture such as the Mad Magazine?"

I have thoughts on what's going on in America too, Ben; but it's not 914 related and I don't want to give this board another bruise so soon. *sigh*
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post Apr 22 2003, 12:36 PM
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It's simple.
Fat, happy, prosperous people don't have much of a drive to compete. They construct happy, safe, little sandboxes in which they can pretend to compete (like NASCAR - or any one of a zillion other typical "American" institutions).

On the other hand, starving, poor, uneducated people don't have the resources to compete - their drive is taken up by bare survival.

I guess it's good to be somewhere in the middle. And if you're a dictator, keep your people polarized. They stay better sheep that way.
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post Apr 22 2003, 12:40 PM
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Nope....bling,bling is ghetto talk for money or something expensive and flashy.....


It's funny, my boss/co-worker is very white-bread-sheltered-from-MTV-rap-and-BET-TV...I throw him off once in while with slang and he just stares at me not having the slightest clue as to what I am talking about (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Apr 22 2003, 12:59 PM
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smog laws are just as bad (or good) in germany. i think brad is dead on. much more US born cars are hot-rodded (sp?) here and more of the european cars overseas ...
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post Apr 22 2003, 01:05 PM
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Yup, go to the Goodguys car show if you want to see hot rods.
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post Apr 22 2003, 01:06 PM
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...The rest of the population is content to be like sheep and buy what they are told to buy and shuffle along with the rest of the drones, or  THINK they can customise their life by ordering off the "stand out from the crowd with these approved accessories" menu.  The second crowd are just sheep with bling bling (I finally had to ask a teenager the other day what the @#$% that meant).

Once you start ordering exclusively from the menu it gets easy to become lazy.  Then these lazy people raise kids who know no other way.  And here we are.



-Ben M.

Or, maybe some of us just want a nice, clean example of an original 914.
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post Apr 22 2003, 01:07 PM
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I've noticed something similar in another hobby of mine. It seems that in europe there are a lot more people doings really exotic things like building their own really hi-fi speaker systems and tube amps, building jet engines, kinda like this guy
http://www.technologie-entwicklung.de/Gast...s__project.html

Not to mention a lot more activity in the amateur radio microwave bands (above 10 GHz). I'm not sure if its really true that there are a lot more techno-hobbyists in europe, or if they are just more visible.

I agree that with cars, there's a lot of hot-rodding here in the US but its centerd around V8s, or more recently imported Japanese 4 cylinder cars.

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post Apr 22 2003, 01:07 PM
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Young folks crack me up.

Tho I'm slowly drifting towards senility, I can still remember when I was 30ish and had all the answers.....now, I have nothing but questions....like:

Which is more worrysome, global warming or the next ice age? Can we burn enuff fossil fuel to keep the ice at bay?

Bling bling, eh? It'll never catch on.....
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post Apr 22 2003, 01:09 PM
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Nope....bling,bling is ghetto talk for money or something expensive and flashy.....


Gack! Sooo hard ... must resist ...
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post Apr 22 2003, 01:32 PM
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Sorry JP.....bling,bling has already caught on....in fact on KCBS, the news radio station already has ads featuring this lingo....


Holy sh!t...that flying suit is too cool...there is no way that guy has life insurance, or his policy holder does not know about it !!!!

(IMG:http://www.technologie-entwicklung.de/Gasturbines/Andreas__Project/suit1.jpg)



Hey Ben....talking about this concept of not using OTS components, like Brad once mentioned, most of the stuff that you and I and lot's others are doing have already been done by someone else....I guess we just bring it back into the limelight for others to see again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
(I might not look like you, but we sure do think alike, LOL)

Now that I think of it, nothing personal, not that I'm glad to not look like you, I'm just really glad I don't look like Jon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Apr 22 2003, 01:42 PM
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Brad, can we revoke Mueller's posting priveledges until he
  • puts his mill back together and makes more than 1 set of rear roller bearings
  • finishes his wheel project
  • puts his engine together so his car runs again
  • turbocharges and re-megasquirts his type IV
  • loses 20 pounds himself
Mike, I think the europeans have more cool cars because they have less ADD.
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post Apr 22 2003, 01:42 PM
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Mueller,
So, what the bling blink is that? New form of OP art?
Don't shine me on, now... tell me "what it is"! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Apr 22 2003, 01:49 PM
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So, what the bling blink is that? New form of OP art?
Don't shine me on, now... tell me "what it is"!  
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Its a 'jet-pack.' Some guy named Andreas who I believe is from Germany is building it. Its a home built jet propelled flying machine to hold a single person. If you take a look at this web page http://www.technologie-entwicklung.de/Gast...s__project.html it outlines the project up to this point. Its really amazing what this guy has done to build this thing. The materials he's using and the techniques are really sophisticated and expensive. For instance he's made turbine blades himself by laminating carbon fiber in molds that he made on a CNC wire electrical discharge machine.

The guy who hosts the web page has a lot of crazy projects of his own. For instance, he built his own turbine shaft balancing tool that uses piezo-electric sensors which interface to a computer for sensing imbalance. And he did this on his CNC milling machine at home. I am jealous. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

-Tony
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post Apr 22 2003, 01:57 PM
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those crazy germans (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

http://www.technologie-entwicklung.de/Gast...rbocharger.html
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post Apr 22 2003, 02:05 PM
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They did that on Junkyard War's - turbine/jet dragsters.
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