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| warrenoliver |
 Oct 10 2011, 07:25 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 363 Joined: 11-November 06 From: McFarland, Wisconsin Member No.: 7,199 Region Association: Upper MidWest  |
My '73, 2.0, Djet has been running great all summer! I noticed lately that it smells like gas when running and my mileage is poorer than usual. Yesterday when cruising at freeway speed it began running differently and would occasionally buck or shudder. It would run OK if I gave it more gas or let off on it a little. Today, it really smells like gas when running and sometimes runs really rough or wants to stall. When it runs rough, it smokes black smoke (running rich).
I put a vacuum tester on the MPS and can draw no vacuum. Is that how the MPS is tested? I had engine off with the ignition off when I tried to pull a vacuum. If the MPS is bad, will that cause the rich/rough running? I have placed a WTB in the classifieds. Any ideas on where to get a good used one? Help, I wanna drive a little more before we get the white stuff. Warrenoliver |
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| dlee6204 |
Oct 10 2011, 07:42 PM
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Howdy Group: Members Posts: 2,162 Joined: 30-April 06 From: Burnsville, NC Member No.: 5,956 |
If the MPS isn't holding vacuum then that is likely your problem. When they go bad, it usually runs extremely rich. I have one for sale in the classifieds...
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=146883 |
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| somd914 |
Oct 10 2011, 08:12 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,171 Joined: 21-February 11 From: Southern Maryland Member No.: 12,741 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Yes, testing is simply drawing a vacuum down with with engine off to I think 16" (don' recall for sure), and it should hold vacuum for several minutes (I have read anywhere from 5 mins to 20 mins). Concur that you need a new (used) MPS.
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| somd914 |
Oct 11 2011, 03:32 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,171 Joined: 21-February 11 From: Southern Maryland Member No.: 12,741 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Another thought as I have been down a very similar road. If by chance you discover your MPS is good, e.g. a leaking vacuum connection on the MPS when you tested it, I'd check the cylinder head temperature, but check it from the ECU connector. I had a frayed wire at the harness connector to the CHT. Car ran very rough and very rich, would hardly idle, and sometimes didn't want to start leaving a strong gas aroma.
A good troubleshooting link if you haven't seen this one: http://members.rennlist.com/pbanders/djetparts.htm Oh, also check the MPS hose to make sure it isn't shot. |
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| Spoke |
Oct 11 2011, 07:38 AM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 7,158 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None 
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When you say "draws no vacuum" for the MPS, do you mean you can't pump it up at all or it leaks down rather quickly?
The MPS senses the vacuum in the intake and adjusts the injector pulse width to match the vacuum. The MPS is the only sensor to the ECU to let the ECU know how much fuel to allow through the injectors. High vacuum = throttle closed = narrow pulse and little fuel. Low or no vacuum = throttle open widely = wide pulse and lots of fuel. I was able to fix my MPS with no vacuum by taking it apart and sealing things up. Now it holds vacuum very well. |
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| warrenoliver |
Oct 11 2011, 06:05 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 363 Joined: 11-November 06 From: McFarland, Wisconsin Member No.: 7,199 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
QUOTE(Spoke @ Oct 11 2011, 08:38 AM)  When you say "draws no vacuum" for the MPS, do you mean you can't pump it up at all or it leaks down rather quickly? The MPS senses the vacuum in the intake and adjusts the injector pulse width to match the vacuum. The MPS is the only sensor to the ECU to let the ECU know how much fuel to allow through the injectors. High vacuum = throttle closed = narrow pulse and little fuel. Low or no vacuum = throttle open widely = wide pulse and lots of fuel. I was able to fix my MPS with no vacuum by taking it apart and sealing things up. Now it holds vacuum very well. When I try to draw a vacuum on the MPS, I can not get any vacuum. I hooked a plastic hose to the MPS and sucked on it - no resistance at all! I have located a good used MPS so I hope that fixes it. Once I get it, I might take the old one apart. Does anyone rebuild these things? Warren |
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