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Penetrating oil study |
Harpo |
Oct 16 2011, 08:21 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,304 Joined: 21-August 11 From: Motor City aka Detroit Member No.: 13,469 Region Association: None |
Good morning everyone,
My mechanic at work gave me this information The April/May 2007 edition of Machinint's Workshop did a study on Penetrating oil. Penetrating Oil Chart Penetrating Oil Type Average load Cost per fluid ounce None 516 Lbs $0.00 WD-40 238 Lbs $0.25 PB Blaster 214 Lbs $0.35 Liquid Wrench 127 Lbs $0.21 Kano Kroil 106 Lbs $0.75 ATF-Acetone mix 53 Lbs $0.10 The ATF-Acetone mix was a 50/50 mix (1 to 1 ratio) |
Harpo |
Oct 16 2011, 08:22 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,304 Joined: 21-August 11 From: Motor City aka Detroit Member No.: 13,469 Region Association: None |
Sorry about the formatting I could not seek to fix it nor could I attach the excell file
David |
VaccaRabite |
Oct 16 2011, 10:20 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,465 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I'v posted this up in the past. It works really well, but you have to keep the ATF/Acetone mixed up as it will seperate on its own over time.
Zach |
Andyrew |
Oct 16 2011, 12:12 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California |
Hmmmmm. This is good to know!
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trojanhorsepower |
Oct 16 2011, 06:37 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 861 Joined: 21-September 03 From: Marion, NC Member No.: 1,179 Region Association: None |
OK I 'll be the dummy. I don't understand. What does this mean? What is Average Load Cost per fluid ounce? How does this relate to which one to use for what job?
Thanks |
dlee6204 |
Oct 16 2011, 06:49 PM
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Howdy Group: Members Posts: 2,162 Joined: 30-April 06 From: Burnsville, NC Member No.: 5,956 |
QUOTE OK I 'll be the dummy. I don't understand. What does this mean? What is Average Load Cost per fluid ounce? How does this relate to which one to use for what job? The average load is how much force was needed to break free the rusty bolts. |
patssle |
Oct 16 2011, 06:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 981 Joined: 28-August 09 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 10,741 Region Association: None |
I can't believe it gets better than PB Blaster. I had to take the cat off my 911 exhaust and it was impossible with the nuts/bolts dry. A spray of PB and bam, those things came off easily.
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dlkawashima |
Oct 16 2011, 07:03 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 9,749 Joined: 1-October 10 From: San Jose Member No.: 12,234 Region Association: Northern California |
"The April 2007 "Machinist's Workshop" magazine comparison
arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment" *The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50% acetone - 50% automatic transmission fluid. **Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. ***Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. |
swl |
Oct 16 2011, 08:40 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,409 Joined: 7-August 05 From: Kingston,On,Canada Member No.: 4,550 Region Association: Canada |
What really strikes me with this is that after year's of reading about the virtues of pb blaster the experiment shows that it is barely better than WD 40 which is commonly poo-poo'd as 'not a penetrating oil'. The quote says it was a subjective test but it looks pretty objective to me.
Think I'll stay way from the acetone. That stuff scares me. http://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/00140.htm |
brp986s |
Oct 16 2011, 09:59 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 434 Joined: 27-September 07 From: los angeles Member No.: 8,167 |
What really strikes me with this is that after year's of reading about the virtues of pb blaster the experiment shows that it is barely better than WD 40 which is commonly poo-poo'd as 'not a penetrating oil'. The quote says it was a subjective test but it looks pretty objective to me. Think I'll stay way from the acetone. That stuff scares me. http://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/00140.htm Bah. Acetone is relatively safe as organic solvents go. Reading an MSDS will make just about anything seem like a case of Andromeda Strain. People who have diabetes that is out of control will have acetone on their breath that is created by their own bodies. But it is not the acetone that they should be worried about. I know of a pharma co. that sells/sold a nail polish remover made of methylene chloride that stated on the bottle was "non-toxic". If you want the heebeegeebees check out the msds of that crap. And it may still exist in paint strippers. |
Elliot Cannon |
Oct 17 2011, 12:09 AM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None |
I had a friend who when working on his chevy van, had the transmission fall on his arm. Partially crushed his arm and ripped open the skin and muscle tissue. When he asked the surgeon what he used to clean off the oil and grease from his exposed flesh he said, "acetone". My friend asked, "you mean regular acetone acetone?" The doc said "yep". (Yikes) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)
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dlestep |
Oct 17 2011, 06:55 AM
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I am smilin'... Group: Members Posts: 890 Joined: 15-January 08 From: Sunrise Florida Member No.: 8,573 Region Association: South East States |
I watched some guy behind a manufacturing plant across from where I used to work, remove his shirt and
lift a 5 gallon can of MEK and pour it over his head and wash his hair, arms and chest to remove carbon-kevlar dust; SIC; and semi-cured polyurea. That guy is nuts ! I showed him the MSDS cut sheets for those items and he didn't care. |
VaccaRabite |
Oct 17 2011, 08:44 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,465 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I watched some guy behind a manufacturing plant across from where I used to work, remove his shirt and lift a 5 gallon can of MEK and pour it over his head and wash his hair, arms and chest to remove carbon-kevlar dust; SIC; and semi-cured polyurea. That guy is nuts ! I showed him the MSDS cut sheets for those items and he didn't care. A few years from now we will all be paying for his cancer and/or EOL care. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/behead.gif) Zach |
76-914 |
Oct 17 2011, 09:23 AM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,509 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California |
Informative. Thanks.
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r_towle |
Oct 17 2011, 09:31 AM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,591 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
I recall that Iodine is one of the main ingredients that wicks into the threads.
I heard at one point that using Iodine straight from the bottle did a really great job, it wicks up... Also, Brake fluid is a fantastic one to use. Rich |
IronHillRestorations |
Oct 17 2011, 10:42 AM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,731 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None |
I got turned on to the Kroil a couple years ago, and I do like it better than PB. Nice to know about a low cost alternative, especially since I've got those on hand.
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VaccaRabite |
Oct 17 2011, 11:05 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,465 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
One thing to be careful of if you try the Acetone/ATF or Brakefluid.
They EAT paint. Acetone is often sold as a paint solvent. Acetone works well, will degrease anything, and can be used to clear water from gas tanks after cleaning them. But you do have to be careful with it. |
URY914 |
Oct 17 2011, 11:46 AM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 121,070 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
Acetone is the only thing that clean up fiberglass resin. But keep the cap on the can or it will evaporate before you know it.
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RFoulds |
Oct 17 2011, 12:07 PM
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Green Teen 66 Group: Members Posts: 837 Joined: 10-August 09 From: La Quinta, CA Member No.: 10,656 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I switch back on forth between PB Blaster and Liquid Wrench. Always keep them both on hand. If one doesnt seem to be doing the job, the other does.
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tdgray |
Oct 17 2011, 01:44 PM
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Thank God Nemo is not here to see this Group: Members Posts: 9,705 Joined: 5-August 03 From: Akron, OH Member No.: 984 Region Association: None |
Are Kano Kroil and Aero Kroil the same thing?
Love the Kroil... been using it for years. |
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