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| soupbone |
 Nov 22 2004, 03:09 PM
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Newbie  Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 21-November 04 From: Hayward, CA Member No.: 3,157  |
I have acquired a 914-2.0 from my father which I believe is a model from 74. Its been garaged for 15 years and hasnt been started since. Its currently blocked in and covered with a bunch of old garage junk. Where is a good shop in the Bay Area to get this car road worthy? What is a guesstimate on costs? I would like to maybe drive the car next summer.
Problem areas I saw include: Battery box rusted and area around it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Leaky battery removed 14 years ago. Sticky creeking pedals Grinding shifter Passenger exterior door handle broke and removed. Also maybe a smaller steering wheel for a six footer? The shift lever hits the knee. Ill try and have pictures at a later date once the garage has been cleaned out. Thanks |
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| GWN7 |
Nov 22 2004, 04:26 PM
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King of Road Trips Group: Members Posts: 6,280 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Member No.: 56 Region Association: Northstar Region |
Hello and welcome
A lot of the prestarting stuff you can do yourself: Drain the old gas, change the oil and filter, replace fuel filter, pull the fuses and clean the contact points in the fuse holder, pull the plugs and squirt some light oil in the cyl. Buy a Optima battery. There are articles on repairing the pedal cluster. Check the trans for fluid levels and replace it with Swepco. Ask in the classifieds for a handle. As to a shop...not sure, but someone will have an idea. Post some pictures of your car. |
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| Toast |
Nov 22 2004, 04:37 PM
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Not bad for carrying sway bars. Group: Members Posts: 3,380 Joined: 20-January 04 From: Las Vegas Member No.: 1,580 Region Association: Southwest Region |
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Welcome. I am going through your same experience. I just got a 2.0 914 that was last registered in 1989! It took us about 3 weeks of constantly changing parts just to get it to fire up and Idle. Of course, there are other problems being found, like it smokes as bad as a forest fire, the master cylinder leaks, ect. But at least my clock works. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rocking nana.gif) Oh, and get new rubbers on those tires! Make sure if you have steel rims, that they are not rusted so bad that you cant put another tire back on (as I found out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ) Good luck. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
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| nebreitling |
Nov 22 2004, 05:14 PM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
welcome!
impossible to tell without more info and pictures, but it will probably cost a lot to get this car road worthy. more than most people think... that said, it is a totally worthwhile experience if you have the time and money (or just lots of time, or just lots of money)! for local shops, google "high performance house". not cheap, but very high quality work. |
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| anthony |
Nov 22 2004, 06:55 PM
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2270 club Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,107 Joined: 1-February 03 From: SF Bay Area, CA Member No.: 218  |
If you tow it to a shop, my guesstimate would be $2-6K to get the car roadworthy. It depends on whether the engine has seized or not, whether the car had any problems before it was taken off the road (usually nice running cars don't get taken off the road), and whether the battery acid rusted through to the suspension ear and/or the longitudinal.
Frankly, it's probably not worth it when you can buy a nice driving 914 for $5K unless you can start digging into the car yourself. So if you always wanted to be a DIYer now is the time to start! At least start doing the easy but time consuming things to see if the car is worth it - pretty much everything previously mentioned (fluids, hoses, tune-up parts). You can also pull the rockers away from the car (they unscrew from the bottom) to see if the rust has rotted through the car. In fact that would probably be the first thing to do before wasting time on anything else. The other place to look is under the right side of the car, under the battery tray area, where the rear suspension arm attaches to the body. Check for rust there. |
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| soupbone |
Nov 22 2004, 09:49 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 21-November 04 From: Hayward, CA Member No.: 3,157 |
Thanks for the replies. Going to do a better rust inspection around the battery area and see how bad it is. Everything else looked ok as far as I could tell. I will try and have pictures this weekend.
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| SirAndy |
Nov 22 2004, 10:22 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 42,257 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(soupbone @ Nov 22 2004, 07:49 PM) Thanks for the replies. Going to do a better rust inspection around the battery area and see how bad it is. Everything else looked ok as far as I could tell. I will try and have pictures this weekend. i second HPH (high performance house) in redwood city. brad and rich know these little cars inside out ... but having a shop do the work won't come cheap. post some pictures here so we can all chime in and help you out ... oh, and welcome to the club! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) Andy |
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| Allan |
Nov 22 2004, 10:27 PM
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Teenerless Weenie Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Yep Yep Yep!!!!
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| 0396 |
Nov 22 2004, 10:46 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,046 Joined: 13-October 03 From: L.A. Calif Member No.: 1,245 Region Association: Southern California |
Take it to Brad
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| onrails |
Nov 22 2004, 11:10 PM
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if the world didn't suck,,we would all fall off Group: Members Posts: 118 Joined: 21-July 03 From: tulsa,ok Member No.: 929 |
welcome! & congrats!,,,you're a 914 owner! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
you've chosen a great place to start! everyone here is more than willing to help you, & there is a-lot of knowledge floating around here. good luck w/ the "rust search" i hope to see some pics soon! the local 914 medic e.m.teen BRIAN (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif) |
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| EdwardBlume |
Nov 22 2004, 11:22 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California 
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Yep. Talk to Brad (Roberts). I was in the same boat with my Dad's 74 914 after it sat for 15 years.
The gas tank needs to be cleaned / checked for rust The fuel components need to be updated (lines, filter, fuel injector hoses) The battery most likely needs to be replaced. Change the oil / tranny oil. Check the plugs / ignition cables To keep costs down, diagnose as many of the problems yourself. Adding to the cost of getting it running can be if there was a problem with the car before (AKA- why it was stopped being driven). The pedal bushing are probably frozen due to rust, as with the shifter. With the rust issues you mentioned, you should take a serious look at the rust condition of the car and decide whether it makes sense to get it running at all. Post picts here. Ask lots of questions here. Talk with Brad. All this being said, 914s are wonderful cars, and any work / cash you put into it, plan to drive an awesome car for decades. The best advice of all of this is : talk with Brad. |
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| alphacrimedog |
Nov 23 2004, 10:08 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 27-June 03 From: Columbus, GA Member No.: 868 |
Im getting ready to try to get my 72 to start after years of sitting. I had to replace the fuel lines and filter and install a new fuel pump. So everything as far as the fuel system seems good to this point. I ask Santa for a new Optima Battery.
SOmeone suggested squirting "light oil" into the cylinders before turning it over. What do you mean by "light oil" ? |
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| anthony |
Nov 23 2004, 11:15 AM
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2270 club Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,107 Joined: 1-February 03 From: SF Bay Area, CA Member No.: 218 |
A squirt of motor oil should be fine. After you do that, see if you can turn the engine by hand first.
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| Steve Thacker |
Nov 23 2004, 11:34 AM
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UMMMPH Yea Baby Yea ! UMMMPH Group: Members Posts: 1,089 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Pickerington, Ohio Member No.: 113 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
I would strongly suggest using PB blaster to spray in the cylinders "you can get this at most autozones, advance auto, etc. Spray them real good, let sit for a couple of days, then repeat. After that I'd say that you can try to crank over the engine by hand. Do not use a screw driver on the cooling fan blades, as they may break and you will have to pull the engine to fix. If the engine can be turned over by hand with no sparkplugs installed, then I would say that you should change the oil and filter. Don't use old gas in running the engine as this can cause engine damage. Goog luck if you DIY. I would suggest that you take your baby to Brad and let him do what is needed. If the car has sentimental value then you might want to fix it, if not someone mentioned that you can get a car pretty much finished for 5K.
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| 7391420 |
Nov 23 2004, 11:45 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 353 Joined: 6-August 03 From: boston, ma Member No.: 988 |
I agree with everything that's been said, but I'd first do a comprehensive rust inspection! check every possible place,
if anyone on the board is local to you and knows 914's well, try to have them or a professional who knows 914's look at it, if frame is rusted or if the whole car is rusted, I wouldnt bother with it, or with spending any $$ on it, unless it's a sentimental car for you, and you have big $$ to spend on it. If the car is sound, than I'd take the next steps recommended to see if you can get it running, but it'd be a shame to spend even a few hundred into the car, and then find out that the frame is shit, and you cant drive it. |
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| soupbone |
Dec 13 2004, 09:11 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 21-November 04 From: Hayward, CA Member No.: 3,157 |
Update:
50% of garage cleaned out. This is literally a excavation project. Stuff was piled up to the ceiling! With everything covered with gravel from whoever did the roofing last (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Not the best pictures.... but once more stuff is cleared away Ill get better ones. Can you spot it? http://home.pacbell.net/troyw/P1010049.JPG There is a vehicle in there! http://home.pacbell.net/troyw/P1010048.JPG http://home.pacbell.net/troyw/P1010043.JPG http://home.pacbell.net/troyw/P1010040.JPG Battery Tray http://home.pacbell.net/troyw/P1010035.JPG More of whats left http://home.pacbell.net/troyw/P1010047.JPG Again http://home.pacbell.net/troyw/P1010039.JPG http://home.pacbell.net/troyw/P1010044.JPG http://home.pacbell.net/troyw/P1010036.JPG |
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| nebreitling |
Dec 13 2004, 09:27 PM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
you got some serious rust, my friend. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) sorry
if it's confined to the tray area (VERY unlikely), you may be okay. chances are, however, that the right-side long has rusted as well. can you weld? pop of the right-side rocker cover and shoot some pics. pay attention to the right-side jack point. nice interior, though. and a 2.0. and, what appear to be fuchs (hard to tell). go for it! |
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| soupbone |
Dec 13 2004, 10:00 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 21-November 04 From: Hayward, CA Member No.: 3,157 |
Nah, I dont weld. Could not get to the rockers yet because I was tired and I broke the garage lights moving junk out.
It just looked like the box was rusted to hell but the frame looked fine from the flash light view. Everything else looked fine but just dusty as hell. The current pictures dont show it well. Couldnt get to front trunk and rear one didnt open with provided keys. More later when I can roll it out and maybe get it on some stands. Thanks |
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| Bleyseng |
Dec 13 2004, 11:49 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,036 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Take the car to Brad!
Simple as that in the Bay Area as HPH has the most parts and the best service. Brad and Rich know there shit when it comes to these cars. Geoff |
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| soupbone |
 Jan 3 2006, 12:34 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 21-November 04 From: Hayward, CA Member No.: 3,157 |
Finally got it out. How bad does this look? The tray almost came out by itself. There were just two holes and the rest seemed solid and just surface rust. Hrmmmm is this car Delphi Green?
http://home.pacbell.net/troyw/P1010203.JPG Battery Tray Flakes™ which I later used the vacumm to suck out. http://home.pacbell.net/troyw/P1010197.JPG http://home.pacbell.net/troyw/P1010203.JPG Hole http://home.pacbell.net/troyw/P1010200.JPG Hole under box http://home.pacbell.net/troyw/P1010201.JPG http://home.pacbell.net/troyw/P1010175.JPG Trailing arm mount Bad pic but it wasnt ate up http://home.pacbell.net/troyw/P1010176.JPG |
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