 I bought another 914...*update*, Car will be heading to a new home to be repaired |
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| '73-914kid |
 Jul 3 2013, 07:59 AM
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Senior Member  Group: Members Posts: 1,473 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Vista, CA Member No.: 9,714 Region Association: Southern California   |
Since I bought my 914-4, I had been wanting to do a six conversion. Always have I suppose..
Anyways, one way or another, this car came up for sale, and kind of fell in to my lap I'd say, and I got it for a great deal. Yes, I bought a real 914-6. The original plan was to yank the motor, and all complete drivetrain components, and do a direct swap into my 4, however after going of to the owners house last night to take care of the paperwork, I don't know if I have the heart to gut it and part it... The engine is a 2.7 RS motor with S cams, IDA's, 964 oil pump, hydro tensioners, etc. It's a bulletproof 7200 RPM engine.. so you can see why I'm interested in pulling the motor and gearbox parting out the car.. As you can see in the pictures, the car was wrecked pretty hard. I'm not sure what speed he hit the pole, but it was fast enough to severely damage the car. I know it will need a front clip, but I noticed the targa top didn't quite fit perfectly... so..It's a little tweeked. That means celette bench.. After it had been wrecked, the car was taken to a shop, and was quoted $15k to weld up a new clip, and pull it back into spec. That honestly doesn't sound like a terrible price, but it certainly isn't in my budget, and I'm really not the kind of person that pays shops to weld.. So, now I'm torn.. I want to keep it and fix it, but part of me wants to do the swap into my 914-4.. What would you do? And for those of you who are experts on these kind of repairs, how difficult is a repair like this? (the welding is no issue for me, it's the chassis pulling that is daunting) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i260.photobucket.com-9714-1372859958.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i260.photobucket.com-9714-1372859958.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i260.photobucket.com-9714-1372859958.3.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i260.photobucket.com-9714-1372859959.4.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i260.photobucket.com-9714-1372859959.5.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i260.photobucket.com-9714-1372859959.6.jpg) |
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| flipb |
Jul 3 2013, 08:09 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,728 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Fairfax, VA Member No.: 10,752 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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I would have no qualms about pulling the drivetrain and sticking it into your /4. Then either part the rest or sell it as a tub. It's not like you're separating a numbers-matching /6 engine.
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| sixnotfour |
Jul 3 2013, 08:20 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,436 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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Fix it !! Its way to hard to find Factory 914-6,
If you transfer the motor you will still have a conversion. Other than a trip to a bench , It is pretty straight forward repiar. As long as it didnt transfer into the area behind the gas tank wall. |
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| mepstein |
Jul 3 2013, 08:21 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,315 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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sell the tub to someone who wants a real 6 and will restore it. You will probably come out ahead $ with a free engine. Nice!
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| JStroud |
Jul 3 2013, 08:21 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,463 Joined: 15-January 11 From: Galt, California Member No.: 12,594 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(flipb @ Jul 3 2013, 07:09 AM)  I would have no qualms about pulling the drivetrain and sticking it into your /4. Then either part the rest or sell it as a tub. It's not like you're separating a numbers-matching /6 engine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Pull the engine, do what you want with it. But hopefully you can sell the tub to someone who will fix it, hate to see an original 6 parted. For the right price I'd buy it. Jeff |
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| OU8AVW |
Jul 3 2013, 08:23 AM
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Yacht Rigger Group: Members Posts: 1,803 Joined: 1-October 08 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 9,601 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(mepstein @ Jul 3 2013, 06:21 AM) sell the tub to someone who wants a real 6 and will restore it. You will probably come out ahead $ with a free engine. Nice! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
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| Cap'n Krusty |
Jul 3 2013, 08:27 AM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
Do the swap. Move EVERYTHING, dash included.
The Cap'n |
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| 76-914 |
Jul 3 2013, 08:35 AM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,509 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California
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So Lola wants to be a man. "L-O-L-A, Lola" Ray Davies/Kinks. I'm putting a set of balls on mine, too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)
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| Mr.242 |
Jul 3 2013, 08:50 AM
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May your glass be smaller so it's always FULL! Group: Members Posts: 1,079 Joined: 10-June 08 From: Seattle Member No.: 9,160 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Jul 3 2013, 07:20 AM) Fix it !! Its way to hard to find Factory 914-6, If you transfer the motor you will still have a conversion. Other than a trip to a bench , It is pretty straight forward repiar. As long as it didnt transfer into the area behind the gas tank wall. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) look around...how many SIX's do you find? ( I know it's not #'s matching ) |
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| Hawk |
Jul 3 2013, 09:03 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 351 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Ann Arbor, Michigan Member No.: 57 |
It's an early 6, probably late January, early February 1970 build. Hope someone brings it back with all vin numbers intact.
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| Socalandy |
Jul 3 2013, 09:47 AM
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Its got to be Yellow!!! Group: Members Posts: 2,432 Joined: 29-August 09 From: Orange Member No.: 10,742 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Jul 3 2013, 07:20 AM) Fix it !! Its way to hard to find Factory 914-6, If you transfer the motor you will still have a conversion. Other than a trip to a bench , It is pretty straight forward repiar. As long as it didnt transfer into the area behind the gas tank wall. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I see it as a rare opportunity that you may regret letting go of if you do. It's way more complete than what I started with and I'm guessing less rust to. You can do it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) |
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| pete000 |
Jul 3 2013, 09:51 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,885 Joined: 23-August 10 From: Bradenton Florida Member No.: 12,094 Region Association: South East States |
Fix it ! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
That is a low number factory six, for sure worth saving ! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
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| R8CERX |
Jul 3 2013, 09:59 AM
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2014 New year resolution: To get along with Woody... Group: Members Posts: 606 Joined: 5-June 13 From: California Member No.: 15,972 Region Association: Southern California |
Check if numbers of engine and chassis match first- if they do keep together
If not, have fun with engine and sell tub! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| billh1963 |
Jul 3 2013, 09:59 AM
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Car Hoarder! Group: Members Posts: 3,402 Joined: 28-March 11 From: South Carolina Member No.: 12,871 Region Association: South East States |
Fix it....no question about it.
Look at it like this...it will cost $30K for a decent new car.... Or, you can spend the same money or less and have a nice 914-6. It may not be a concours winner but will always hold it's value and even appreciate. |
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| '73-914kid |
Jul 3 2013, 10:04 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,473 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Vista, CA Member No.: 9,714 Region Association: Southern California |
Thanks for the insight everyone. It definetely is a bit of a conundrum for me personally...
It actually has zero rust... the only thing that needs to be repaired is the crash damage..which doesnt help my internal conflict..haha Everything on this car is working and complete, which is why this is so difficult for me.. overall, i'd say it had been much better cared for than my /4 over the years, and other than a non-numbers matching motor and a late back pad with scheel-mann seats, its entirely unmolested.. now for the other questions... Does anyone have an estimate on how much time/labor would be involved in pulling the car on a bench? I seem to remember someone having done this or something very similar before... |
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| carr914 |
Jul 3 2013, 10:05 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 119,021 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(flipb @ Jul 3 2013, 10:09 AM) I would have no qualms about pulling the drivetrain and sticking it into your /4. Then sell it as a tub. It's not like you're separating a numbers-matching /6 engine. QUOTE(mepstein @ Jul 3 2013, 10:21 AM) sell the tub to someone who wants a real 6 and will restore it. You will probably come out ahead $ with a free engine. Nice! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Or pull the Drivetrain & keep the Tub for a time when you can afford to do |
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| r_towle |
Jul 3 2013, 10:18 AM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,588 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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If you pull the motor and want to sell the roller, let me know.
I may be interested. rich |
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| oldschool |
Jul 3 2013, 10:23 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,362 Joined: 29-October 08 From: P-town Member No.: 9,705 Region Association: Southern California |
Boy kid...you always have a few secrets....lol I say fix it. Put the engine in the running car and work on the tub as you go...Or you can get my red car running and drive that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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| SirAndy |
Jul 3 2013, 11:22 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,679 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE('73-914kid @ Jul 3 2013, 09:04 AM) Does anyone have an estimate on how much time/labor would be involved in pulling the car on a bench? Do a search here, i had two cars pulled on a Celette a few years back. One of them a real /6 that was hit just as hard as the one you have, but in different places. It took 3 full weekends at a discounted hourly rate to get the car back to specs. I will still have to put it back onto the Celette to weld in the replacement panels. Thankfully, i don't have to "clip" it, but it needs major surgery. Unless you know someone who is willing to give you a good discount, the $15k shop quote sounds about right. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) PS: The upside of all of this is the fact that they are rare and they don't make them no more. Even if $5k or $10k or $15k sounds too much right now, KEEP IT. Park it, put it in storage, but KEEP IT and fix it when you have the means. PPS: Oh, and don't sweat using the 2.7L for your /4, unless it was build on the original /6 engine. |
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| SirAndy |
Jul 3 2013, 11:33 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,679 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
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