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> Original 1970 914-6 about to go outlaw!, I'm about to hot-rod my 914-6
Hec
post May 23 2014, 04:45 PM
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Hello Friends,

The restoration of my 1970 914-6 matching numbers, etc. has been slow... but good.
The body work is almost ready and we'll start to assemble all the interiors, electrical, etc.

BUT... the engine is going slow, my mechanic is a pretty good one and he "takes his time"... so I asked him... Is it too crazy to put in one of your 2.7L you have around while the original is finished?... not surprisingly he answered "That's the attitude!" let's do it!...

I confess I may've been watching too many Magnus Walker videos and stuff that have inspired the idea of pumping up a little bit the performance of my car while keeping all the originality focus of the restoration... although I know I'm entering "the dark side of the force" here... I might never come back!... What do you guys think?!

Thanks and have a great weekend,
H.
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post May 23 2014, 04:58 PM
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Go for it. A stock 2.0 -6 is only a slight increase in power over a four. Sounds like you will keep the original engine which adds value if the car is sold.
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post May 23 2014, 05:00 PM
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Sounds like a plan, allowing you to drive and enjoy the car keeping another classic on the road.

Whatever you do though, never let that engine case out of your sight! Show us some pics when it's done (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post May 23 2014, 05:10 PM
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I had a 2.7 in my 75, you will get throttle induced oversteer. I would recommend a limited slip if you don't have one already, otherwise I ended up flaring my car to put bigger meats in the back to help with the problem. Of course this was back in the mid 80's when tires were so so. Maybe you will have better luck. Bigger motors turn into a slippery slope.
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post May 23 2014, 05:15 PM
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I wouldn't exactly call this an "outlaw" since you're keeping the original engine which can be swapped back at any time.
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When i saw the thread title i thought you had done unspeakable things to the tub, like installing a shalom kit ...
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post May 23 2014, 05:25 PM
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LOL Sir Andy!... Great answers from all of you!... Thanks a lot!
The oversteer problem makes sense... I'll choose some good tires but my original 14" Fuchs might have an issue there...
From what I've seen, the extra power could be solved or controlled by the suspension... Fortunately it is not a 911!

I'll send some pics soon!

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post May 23 2014, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE(Hec @ May 23 2014, 04:25 PM) *

LOL Sir Andy!... Great answers from all of you!... Thanks a lot!
The oversteer problem makes sense... I'll choose some good tires but my original 14" Fuchs might have an issue there...
From what I've seen, the extra power could be solved or controlled by the suspension... Fortunately it is not a 911!

I'll send some pics soon!

H.


I played that game to with the suspension. I put in a 22mm front sway bar and 21mm torsion bars with 140 lb springs in the rear. This induced understeer, which helped with the throttle induced oversteer. The ticket is to not jump on the gas in a corner, which was hard for me not to do at the time, since I was in my 20's and had no self control!! The 2.7 was a stock US carrera motor with webers, MSDS headers and muffler. It was allot fun!! I now have a stock euro 3.2 with 916 trans and GT flairs. No issues with throttle induced oversteer now unless its raining.
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post May 23 2014, 05:55 PM
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Does the 2.7 require an external oil cooler?
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post May 23 2014, 06:00 PM
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When Porsche first put the 2.7 in the 911, they did not put a front oil cooler on the U.S. cars, though they did on the European 911s. Hence, many aftermarket cooler kits were sold! It can live without one, but will be happier with one (especially if it's not a stock 2.7). I can tell you that it does really make for a great car when it's in a 914.
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post May 23 2014, 06:05 PM
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Squealing tires are happy tires ! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif)
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post May 23 2014, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE(GeorgeRud @ May 23 2014, 05:00 PM) *

When Porsche first put the 2.7 in the 911, they did not put a front oil cooler on the U.S. cars, though they did on the European 911s. Hence, many aftermarket cooler kits were sold! It can live without one, but will be happier with one (especially if it's not a stock 2.7). I can tell you that it does really make for a great car when it's in a 914.

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I loved my 2.7!! Super reliable and felt great with the stock 901 gearing. With the 3.2 the gearing felt all wrong on the street and I ended up going with a 916. A stock 3.0 with injection also felt fine to me with the stock 901. With a 3.6 there is enough power to just start out in 2nd and not bother with 1st gear, but you end up with a four speed.
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post May 23 2014, 06:40 PM
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It seems like the "car of the month" in the home page of the website is the way to go!... Mine won't have the GT flares either.
Does anyone know a way to this car info?

Thanks again,
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post May 23 2014, 08:16 PM
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I like the "Safety net" of a front oil cooler...handy on those 100° days, in stop and go traffic.
My mag case 2.7 used to leak oil after a hot drive, finally pulled a stud as well.
Front oil cooler + Troutman oilstat took care of that.
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post May 23 2014, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE(Maltese Falcon @ May 23 2014, 06:16 PM) *

I like the "Safety net" of a front oil cooler...handy on those 100° days, in stop and go traffic.
My mag case 2.7 used to leak oil after a hot drive, finally pulled a stud as well.
Front oil cooler + Troutman oilstat took care of that.
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Those conditions apply very much to Mexico City (where I live) Marty!
Thanks for the advice,
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post May 23 2014, 08:32 PM
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if it were me I would build a nasty mean 2.5-2.7 to hot rod around in and have the 2.0 restored and saved off to the side for the originality value.
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post May 23 2014, 08:52 PM
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I have original 916/6 cars with engines on both sides of what you are considering. I have a 2.2 911S engine in my signal orange and a 3.6 911 twin plug in my red. Both have all of the upgrades sensible for the extra power. As others have added, keep the original engines close. I keep mine on a pallet in my dry & secure warehouse.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) I believe the 2.2 is a much more enjoyable choice with plenty of power. The 3.6 is an animal (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) but .....it is fun for sure, but I love the feel of the 2.2 S engine. It has 200 HP and the 3.6 brings 300 HP.

Maybe the 2.7 is the ultimate choice for power and drivability. Good luck. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)
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post May 23 2014, 08:57 PM
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"never come back"???? you won't even look back! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)
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post May 23 2014, 09:12 PM
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Just don't cut up the body. Maybe an oil cooler over the tranny, since you're in a hot climate. That would only require a few holes in the trunk floor to hang it.
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post May 23 2014, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE(PanelBilly @ May 23 2014, 08:12 PM) *

Just don't cut up the body. Maybe an oil cooler over the tranny, since you're in a hot climate. That would only require a few holes in the trunk floor to hang it.

make some brackets to mount it off the tranny plenty of air moving around under there
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post May 24 2014, 08:02 AM
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Hector, do you have any pic's we can see?
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