 Original 1970 914-6 about to go outlaw!, I'm about to hot-rod my 914-6 |
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| Hec |
 May 23 2014, 04:45 PM
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Hec  Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 14-July 13 From: Mexico City Member No.: 16,122 Region Association: None  |
Hello Friends,
The restoration of my 1970 914-6 matching numbers, etc. has been slow... but good. The body work is almost ready and we'll start to assemble all the interiors, electrical, etc. BUT... the engine is going slow, my mechanic is a pretty good one and he "takes his time"... so I asked him... Is it too crazy to put in one of your 2.7L you have around while the original is finished?... not surprisingly he answered "That's the attitude!" let's do it!... I confess I may've been watching too many Magnus Walker videos and stuff that have inspired the idea of pumping up a little bit the performance of my car while keeping all the originality focus of the restoration... although I know I'm entering "the dark side of the force" here... I might never come back!... What do you guys think?! Thanks and have a great weekend, H. |
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| bdstone914 |
May 23 2014, 04:58 PM
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bdstone914 Group: Members Posts: 4,541 Joined: 8-November 03 From: Riverside CA Member No.: 1,319 |
Go for it. A stock 2.0 -6 is only a slight increase in power over a four. Sounds like you will keep the original engine which adds value if the car is sold.
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| ThePaintedMan |
May 23 2014, 05:00 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,886 Joined: 6-September 11 From: St. Petersburg, FL Member No.: 13,527 Region Association: South East States 
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Sounds like a plan, allowing you to drive and enjoy the car keeping another classic on the road.
Whatever you do though, never let that engine case out of your sight! Show us some pics when it's done (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| Steve |
May 23 2014, 05:10 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,618 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California
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I had a 2.7 in my 75, you will get throttle induced oversteer. I would recommend a limited slip if you don't have one already, otherwise I ended up flaring my car to put bigger meats in the back to help with the problem. Of course this was back in the mid 80's when tires were so so. Maybe you will have better luck. Bigger motors turn into a slippery slope.
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| SirAndy |
May 23 2014, 05:15 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,688 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
I wouldn't exactly call this an "outlaw" since you're keeping the original engine which can be swapped back at any time.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) When i saw the thread title i thought you had done unspeakable things to the tub, like installing a shalom kit ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) |
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| Hec |
May 23 2014, 05:25 PM
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Hec Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 14-July 13 From: Mexico City Member No.: 16,122 Region Association: None |
LOL Sir Andy!... Great answers from all of you!... Thanks a lot!
The oversteer problem makes sense... I'll choose some good tires but my original 14" Fuchs might have an issue there... From what I've seen, the extra power could be solved or controlled by the suspension... Fortunately it is not a 911! I'll send some pics soon! H. |
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| Steve |
May 23 2014, 05:38 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,618 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(Hec @ May 23 2014, 04:25 PM)  LOL Sir Andy!... Great answers from all of you!... Thanks a lot! The oversteer problem makes sense... I'll choose some good tires but my original 14" Fuchs might have an issue there... From what I've seen, the extra power could be solved or controlled by the suspension... Fortunately it is not a 911! I'll send some pics soon! H. I played that game to with the suspension. I put in a 22mm front sway bar and 21mm torsion bars with 140 lb springs in the rear. This induced understeer, which helped with the throttle induced oversteer. The ticket is to not jump on the gas in a corner, which was hard for me not to do at the time, since I was in my 20's and had no self control!! The 2.7 was a stock US carrera motor with webers, MSDS headers and muffler. It was allot fun!! I now have a stock euro 3.2 with 916 trans and GT flairs. No issues with throttle induced oversteer now unless its raining. |
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| jmill |
May 23 2014, 05:55 PM
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Green Hornet Group: Members Posts: 2,449 Joined: 9-May 08 From: Racine, Wisconsin Member No.: 9,038 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Does the 2.7 require an external oil cooler?
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| GeorgeRud |
May 23 2014, 06:00 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,725 Joined: 27-July 05 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 4,482 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
When Porsche first put the 2.7 in the 911, they did not put a front oil cooler on the U.S. cars, though they did on the European 911s. Hence, many aftermarket cooler kits were sold! It can live without one, but will be happier with one (especially if it's not a stock 2.7). I can tell you that it does really make for a great car when it's in a 914.
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| bulitt |
May 23 2014, 06:05 PM
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Achtzylinder Group: Members Posts: 4,188 Joined: 2-October 11 Member No.: 13,632 Region Association: South East States |
Squealing tires are happy tires ! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif)
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| Steve |
May 23 2014, 06:11 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,618 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(GeorgeRud @ May 23 2014, 05:00 PM) When Porsche first put the 2.7 in the 911, they did not put a front oil cooler on the U.S. cars, though they did on the European 911s. Hence, many aftermarket cooler kits were sold! It can live without one, but will be happier with one (especially if it's not a stock 2.7). I can tell you that it does really make for a great car when it's in a 914. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I loved my 2.7!! Super reliable and felt great with the stock 901 gearing. With the 3.2 the gearing felt all wrong on the street and I ended up going with a 916. A stock 3.0 with injection also felt fine to me with the stock 901. With a 3.6 there is enough power to just start out in 2nd and not bother with 1st gear, but you end up with a four speed. |
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| Hec |
May 23 2014, 06:40 PM
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Hec Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 14-July 13 From: Mexico City Member No.: 16,122 Region Association: None |
It seems like the "car of the month" in the home page of the website is the way to go!... Mine won't have the GT flares either.
Does anyone know a way to this car info? Thanks again, H. |
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| Maltese Falcon |
May 23 2014, 08:16 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,708 Joined: 14-September 04 From: Mulholland SoCal Member No.: 2,755 Region Association: None  |
I like the "Safety net" of a front oil cooler...handy on those 100° days, in stop and go traffic.
My mag case 2.7 used to leak oil after a hot drive, finally pulled a stud as well. Front oil cooler + Troutman oilstat took care of that. Marty |
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| Hec |
May 23 2014, 08:20 PM
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Hec Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 14-July 13 From: Mexico City Member No.: 16,122 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Maltese Falcon @ May 23 2014, 06:16 PM) I like the "Safety net" of a front oil cooler...handy on those 100° days, in stop and go traffic. My mag case 2.7 used to leak oil after a hot drive, finally pulled a stud as well. Front oil cooler + Troutman oilstat took care of that. Marty Those conditions apply very much to Mexico City (where I live) Marty! Thanks for the advice, H. |
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| messix |
May 23 2014, 08:32 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
if it were me I would build a nasty mean 2.5-2.7 to hot rod around in and have the 2.0 restored and saved off to the side for the originality value.
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| dw914six |
May 23 2014, 08:52 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 131 Joined: 18-January 14 From: Houston Member No.: 16,902 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I have original 916/6 cars with engines on both sides of what you are considering. I have a 2.2 911S engine in my signal orange and a 3.6 911 twin plug in my red. Both have all of the upgrades sensible for the extra power. As others have added, keep the original engines close. I keep mine on a pallet in my dry & secure warehouse.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) I believe the 2.2 is a much more enjoyable choice with plenty of power. The 3.6 is an animal (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) but .....it is fun for sure, but I love the feel of the 2.2 S engine. It has 200 HP and the 3.6 brings 300 HP. Maybe the 2.7 is the ultimate choice for power and drivability. Good luck. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) |
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| Bruce Hinds |
May 23 2014, 08:57 PM
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V-8 madness Group: Members Posts: 733 Joined: 27-December 06 From: Port Orchard, WA Member No.: 7,391 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
"never come back"???? you won't even look back! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)
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| PanelBilly |
May 23 2014, 09:12 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,819 Joined: 23-July 06 From: Kent, Wa Member No.: 6,488 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Just don't cut up the body. Maybe an oil cooler over the tranny, since you're in a hot climate. That would only require a few holes in the trunk floor to hang it.
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| messix |
May 23 2014, 10:52 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(PanelBilly @ May 23 2014, 08:12 PM) Just don't cut up the body. Maybe an oil cooler over the tranny, since you're in a hot climate. That would only require a few holes in the trunk floor to hang it. make some brackets to mount it off the tranny plenty of air moving around under there |
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| 76-914 |
May 24 2014, 08:02 AM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,513 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California
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Hector, do you have any pic's we can see?
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