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| eman 928 |
 Nov 6 2014, 07:01 AM
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Newbie  Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 10-September 14 From: Oakland, MI Member No.: 17,885 Region Association: Upper MidWest  |
Looking to buy my first 914. Would prefer purchasing a nicer example up front than a fixer-upper. I've found two cars for sale and wanted to get some opinions from the board regarding each. Which one would you buy, and why? What are the pro's and con's of each model?
First one is the Willow Green car that looks really nice: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=244550 Second one is this 1975: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=244674 TIA, Eric |
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| mepstein |
Nov 6 2014, 07:18 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,875 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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I would buy the willow green one. I'm partial to the early cars. But the yellow car might be a better driver with a bigger engine and a/c. But I'm not a fan of yellow and the green car looks very original and nice. Best bet is to buy some plane tickets and drive both cars. Make it a fun trip. Both sellers are good guys with good reps.
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| mepstein |
Nov 6 2014, 07:19 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,875 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Nov 6 2014, 08:18 AM)  I would buy the willow green one. I'm partial to the early cars. But the yellow car might be a better driver with a bigger engine and a/c. But I'm not a fan of yellow and the green car looks very original and nice. Best bet is to buy some plane tickets and drive both cars. Make it a fun trip. Both sellers are good guys with good reps. BTW - I think you picked out the 2 nicest cars currently for sale for reasonable prices. |
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| eman 928 |
Nov 6 2014, 07:21 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 10-September 14 From: Oakland, MI Member No.: 17,885 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
QUOTE(mepstein @ Nov 6 2014, 08:19 AM) QUOTE(mepstein @ Nov 6 2014, 08:18 AM) I would buy the willow green one. I'm partial to the early cars. But the yellow car might be a better driver with a bigger engine and a/c. But I'm not a fan of yellow and the green car looks very original and nice. Best bet is to buy some plane tickets and drive both cars. Make it a fun trip. Both sellers are good guys with good reps. BTW - I think you picked out the 2 nicest cars currently for sale for reasonable prices. Thanks for your input. Other than color choice, is there another reason you would pick the 71 over the 75? |
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| DRPHIL914 |
Nov 6 2014, 07:26 AM
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Dr. Phil Group: Members Posts: 5,821 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States
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both are nice but i would go with the willow green one- and i like yellow, and you know that John Forbes will have that one well sorted out, but the green one just strikes me as more original and a bit cleaner. if you are serious buyer dont wait too long (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)
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| Dr Evil |
Nov 6 2014, 07:28 AM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,038 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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I like the green one way better. Cleaner engine compartment. I am biased to green, too. The ducktaped box in the yellow one is off putting for the price and I would need eyes and hands on it to really see the quality of the car. It is hard to do a proper eval with only pics (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Note: See how many people repilled to the green one, and how many of them are qualified restorers, like Rick (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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| dw914six |
Nov 6 2014, 07:32 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 131 Joined: 18-January 14 From: Houston Member No.: 16,902 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Eric,
You can't lose either way. You appear to have budgeted enough money for a price point that will land you a very nice car. I personally like the early bumpers and love the unique Willow Green. You don't see that color everyday which at some point equates to higher value. But I would advise acting fast. Good cars go quick. QUOTE(eman 928 @ Nov 6 2014, 05:01 AM) Looking to buy my first 914. Would prefer purchasing a nicer example up front than a fixer-upper. I've found two cars for sale and wanted to get some opinions from the board regarding each. Which one would you buy, and why? What are the pro's and con's of each model? First one is the Willow Green car that looks really nice: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=244550 Second one is this 1975: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=244674 TIA, Eric |
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| eman 928 |
Nov 6 2014, 07:32 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 10-September 14 From: Oakland, MI Member No.: 17,885 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
How about drive-ability? Is the green one going to be significantly slower than the yellow? How about the suspension upgrades on the Yellow...is it going to handle significantly better?
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| Hank914 |
Nov 6 2014, 07:46 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 389 Joined: 7-April 14 From: CA and OR Member No.: 17,215 Region Association: None |
Drive ability is key.
Go with 2.0. And side shift. But both are good looking specimens of the 914. |
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| DRPHIL914 |
Nov 6 2014, 07:47 AM
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Dr. Phil Group: Members Posts: 5,821 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States
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i dont think you will see any difference in speed in daily driving conditions. Others will have more experience comparing the 2.0 to the 1.7 but from what i have read here from others, i gather it will not be significantly slower. You can always add stiffer springs and sway bars to improve cornering if you desired but probably not necessary. I think that the anti-sway bars do help a lot if you are driving spiritedly.
- a well sorted 1.7 with d-jet injection will give you the best gas milage of any 914 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| stevegm |
Nov 6 2014, 07:54 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,111 Joined: 14-July 14 From: North Carolina Member No.: 17,633 Region Association: South East States
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The green car is certainly striking to me, the early cars look very nice original. But, then again, the 75/75 bumpers don't bother me, and they can always be backdated. Both are very, very nice cars. I would ask - which will drive better? After all, that is what the car is for, right? Which will you be able to enjoy more frequently? Which will likely have fewer problems? My gut tells me the '75 would be the better driver. But, others can speak to that better than I.
Also, do either have prior accident damage, rusteration? I would look into each car's history. Just my 2 cents. It is an interesting debate, though - early vs 75/76. |
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| Cairo94507 |
Nov 6 2014, 08:02 AM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 10,317 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California
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In contrast to almost everyone else I would buy the '75 and backdate the bumpers. The car looks to be really well maintained and though I love the color on the green car, and believe me either car appears to be an excellent choice, I would grab the yellow one. I would go see them both in person and crawl underneath both cars with a screwdriver and look for rust first though. Then I would have a sack of cash with me too.
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| rhodyguy |
Nov 6 2014, 08:05 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,240 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
how badly do you think you'll need the ac? the installs can vary from ok to crappy. upon removal the ac leaves behind LOTS of fixes.
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| Johny Blackstain |
Nov 6 2014, 08:07 AM
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Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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If you're looking for originality I'd look @ the green. If you're looking for something to modify I'd consider the yellow. Either one is nice & I'd be tempted to get both (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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| Chris H. |
Nov 6 2014, 08:13 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4,056 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Nov 6 2014, 07:28 AM) The ducktaped box in the yellow one is off putting for the price... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) WTF is that??? We're gonna need MacGruber to get that outta there! Both look very nice you just have to choose which style you like, late vs early. As an investment the Willow Green car is hands down the better one to buy but get the one you LIKE. The yellow car looks great from the pics but you'd want to take a very close look before spending $15k on it. Sounds like they have all the records and such. BTW if the yellow car still has the later, more restrictive exhaust system the performance would be pretty much equal. |
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| eman 928 |
Nov 6 2014, 09:37 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 10-September 14 From: Oakland, MI Member No.: 17,885 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Thanks, everyone. I really appreciate the feedback. The yellow was officially a 1.8 but then built to 2.0 specs. What is unknown is the quality of the rebuild.
Yeah, what is that duct taped box on the yellow one? |
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| Dr Evil |
Nov 6 2014, 10:12 AM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,038 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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If it were me, I would get the green one and remove the engine and transmission. Store those somewhere nice to keep all the original parts. Then, I would get a nice 2056 and side shift transmission installed and enjoy. Not too much more $$ and you get more grins without sacrificing originality as all mods are reversible.
I dont like the yellow one. A/C is a detractor, IMHO. Even dealer installed ones are hack jobs, usually. Also, it draws HP from the engine. I am also not a fan of 75-76 due to smog, bumpers, exhaust, cheaply made parts (plastic in places that used to be glass or metal). Again, this is my opinion. Do what makes you happy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| madmax914 |
Nov 6 2014, 11:20 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 16-February 14 From: Salem, Oregon Member No.: 17,007 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Nov 6 2014, 06:05 AM) how badly do you think you'll need the ac? the installs can vary from ok to crappy. upon removal the ac leaves behind LOTS of fixes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I'm fixing an A/C car now, pain in the arse. |
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| eman 928 |
Nov 6 2014, 11:52 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 10-September 14 From: Oakland, MI Member No.: 17,885 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Nov 6 2014, 11:12 AM) If it were me, I would get the green one and remove the engine and transmission. Store those somewhere nice to keep all the original parts. Then, I would get a nice 2056 and side shift transmission installed and enjoy. Not too much more $$ and you get more grins without sacrificing originality as all mods are reversible. I dont like the yellow one. A/C is a detractor, IMHO. Even dealer installed ones are hack jobs, usually. Also, it draws HP from the engine. I am also not a fan of 75-76 due to smog, bumpers, exhaust, cheaply made parts (plastic in places that used to be glass or metal). Again, this is my opinion. Do what makes you happy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) That is an interesting idea. How much extra do you think the engine and trans would cost? With regards to the green one, I do not believe this was a rust free car. I think repairs have been made and would have to verify how well they were completed. |
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| era vulgaris |
Nov 6 2014, 12:27 PM
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J is for Genius Group: Members Posts: 983 Joined: 10-November 13 From: Raleigh, NC Member No.: 16,629 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(eman 928 @ Nov 6 2014, 12:52 PM) That is an interesting idea. How much extra do you think the engine and trans would cost? With regards to the green one, I do not believe this was a rust free car. I think repairs have been made and would have to verify how well they were completed. I think you can get a 2056 long block from McMark for $5K. But then you'll still need cooling tins, fuel delivery, etc. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=42456 Then prob another $2K for a rebuilt trans and all the necessary equipment to convert the early car from tail shift to side shift. For what it's worth, a 1.7 isn't a slug. If you've spent any time driving AC VW's, the 1.7 will eat them alive. But I can say having spent a year with a 1.7, my next 914 will be a 2.0. But, the willow green car looks more like an investment car whereas the 75 I think would be more of a get in and drive car. If it's John that did the engine rebuild on the 75 car (I didn't ask when I was there), you should have nothing to worry about with the engine. If it wasn't him, then I'd ask him for all the docs and info you can get. |
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