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914 glass butyl, I searched and got confused... |
Kansas 914 |
Sep 28 2016, 08:05 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,999 Joined: 1-March 03 From: Durango, Colorado Member No.: 373 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I am replacing the front and rear glass in the flared car when it gets back from paint.
I have read where the front windshield should use 3/8" butyl, but then there are warnings that this is a tad thick and if you don't have a warm day to press the glass into the butyl the trim won't click in. I think 5/16" inch is a better solution. Does anyone have a source for 5/16" butyl? Does it really matter whether the rear glass is 3/8" or 5/16" since there is no trim just interior pieces? Thanks in advance! |
McMark |
Sep 28 2016, 08:06 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
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Kansas 914 |
Sep 28 2016, 08:07 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,999 Joined: 1-March 03 From: Durango, Colorado Member No.: 373 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Thanks Mark, I even looked on Amazon - cheers! |
McMark |
Sep 28 2016, 08:09 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
Gotta know the secret code word, 'WindoWeld'. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Kansas 914 |
Sep 28 2016, 08:14 AM
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ndfrigi |
Sep 28 2016, 08:17 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,933 Joined: 21-August 11 From: Orange County Member No.: 13,474 Region Association: Southern California |
McMark, for the rear glass, I believed 3/8 is the original size but I read from few thread here that it is better to use 5/8? I did mine before with 3/8, but after few months I got water leak again. |
Kansas 914 |
Sep 28 2016, 08:22 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,999 Joined: 1-March 03 From: Durango, Colorado Member No.: 373 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
McMark, for the rear glass, I believed 3/8 is the original size but I read from few thread here that it is better to use 5/8? I did mine before with 3/8, but after few months I got water leak again. Hi Noel, I think 3/8" (10mm?) was original from what I have read in the workshop manual. Anxious to see Mark's response. I think the glass might get close to trim piece with 5/8"? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
McMark |
Sep 28 2016, 08:29 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
McMark, for the rear glass, I believed 3/8 is the original size but I read from few thread here that it is better to use 5/8? I did mine before with 3/8, but after few months I got water leak again. Rear glass is spec'd at 8mm in the factory manual. So use 5/16" on that as well. Nothing should ever use 5/8" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) |
McMark |
Sep 28 2016, 08:32 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
I think 3/8" (10mm?) was original from what I have read in the workshop manual. I can't find a specific size in the workshop manual. Just a part number. But the manual does specify measurements for a setting-block tool, which indicates the installed/compressed thickness of the front butyl should end up being about 4mm. I doubt 3/8" butyl could compress this much. |
ndfrigi |
Sep 28 2016, 09:25 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,933 Joined: 21-August 11 From: Orange County Member No.: 13,474 Region Association: Southern California |
McMark, for the rear glass, I believed 3/8 is the original size but I read from few thread here that it is better to use 5/8? I did mine before with 3/8, but after few months I got water leak again. Rear glass is spec'd at 8mm in the factory manual. So use 5/16" on that as well. Nothing should ever use 5/8" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Hi Mike and Mark, For the windshield, when Rufino (from local here who did several 914 windshield) replaced my windshield, he used the gun type sealer and yes it is around 5/16" thick only that he applied and that is installing back the chrome trim. Maybe when i did my rear glass, the 3/8 butyl i bought online (1 box) was old and it didn't stick well. I will check later the box of butyl I have or i didn't do a good job pressing it. |
Kansas 914 |
Sep 28 2016, 09:31 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,999 Joined: 1-March 03 From: Durango, Colorado Member No.: 373 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Hi Mike and Mark, For the windshield, when Rufino (from local here who did several 914 windshield) replaced my windshield, he used the gun type sealer and yes it is around 5/16" thick only that he applied and that is installing back the chrome trim. Maybe when i did my rear glass, the 3/8 butyl i bought online (1 box) was old and it didn't stick well. I will check later the box of butyl I have or i didn't do a good job pressing it. I used 3/8" on the rear glass of the Willow car, it was warm in the garage, butyl was VERY tacky and it was at least 10 years old that I bought from AA (was in a rear glass kit with blocks, butyl and a tube of cleaner). It worked great but I don't have any drive time on that car yet so I hope the glass doesn't fall out while driving... I put the seats it right after install and slid them back towards the glass with some towels in between the glass and the seats to "press" the glass in place. I left it that way for a week. PS: I just ordered two rolls of 5/16" butyl for the front and rear glass - thanks Mark! |
Mikey914 |
Sep 28 2016, 10:34 AM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,678 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
Don't forget to add the window spacers it will settle onto the metal and start pinching the seal. I suspect this is why they start leaking.
I do have as a re-seal kit including the butyl for $20 http://shop.914rubber.com/rear-window-reas...m?categoryId=-1 Or just the spacers for $4.50 http://shop.914rubber.com/914-Windshield-s...m?categoryId=-1 |
Kansas 914 |
Sep 28 2016, 10:45 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,999 Joined: 1-March 03 From: Durango, Colorado Member No.: 373 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Don't forget to add the window spacers it will settle onto the metal and start pinching the seal. I suspect this is why they start leaking. I do have as a re-seal kit including the butyl for $20 http://shop.914rubber.com/rear-window-reas...m?categoryId=-1 Or just the spacers for $4.50 http://shop.914rubber.com/914-Windshield-s...m?categoryId=-1 Mark - thanks for the update. I thought I saw the spacers were out of stock when I looked this morning. I will add them to my order. |
rick 918-S |
Sep 28 2016, 03:11 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,494 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region |
McMark, for the rear glass, I believed 3/8 is the original size but I read from few thread here that it is better to use 5/8? I did mine before with 3/8, but after few months I got water leak again. Rear glass is spec'd at 8mm in the factory manual. So use 5/16" on that as well. Nothing should ever use 5/8" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Hi Mike and Mark, For the windshield, when Rufino (from local here who did several 914 windshield) replaced my windshield, he used the gun type sealer and yes it is around 5/16" thick only that he applied and that is installing back the chrome trim. Maybe when i did my rear glass, the 3/8 butyl i bought online (1 box) was old and it didn't stick well. I will check later the box of butyl I have or i didn't do a good job pressing it. I would never use the urethane gun type sealant on the front windshield. if any of it touches the trim you will have to ruin the trim to remove it. As I understand glass installers have to use it on all installs now by law. So get a friend and do it yourself if you can't get the glass company to install as originally designed. |
pete000 |
Sep 28 2016, 03:17 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,885 Joined: 23-August 10 From: Bradenton Florida Member No.: 12,094 Region Association: South East States |
I got mine at NAPA they have it in rolls and strips
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Kansas 914 |
Sep 28 2016, 03:18 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,999 Joined: 1-March 03 From: Durango, Colorado Member No.: 373 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I would never use the urethane gun type sealant on the front windshield. if any of it touches the trim you will have to ruin the trim to remove it. As I understand glass installers have to use it on all installs now by law. So get a friend and do it yourself if you can't get the glass company to install as originally designed. It must vary by state. I had a new windshield installed in the Raspberry car a month ago and he used butyl. He said he hadn't used it in many years but if that is what originally came with the car he could do it. |
ndfrigi |
Sep 28 2016, 03:25 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,933 Joined: 21-August 11 From: Orange County Member No.: 13,474 Region Association: Southern California |
McMark, for the rear glass, I believed 3/8 is the original size but I read from few thread here that it is better to use 5/8? I did mine before with 3/8, but after few months I got water leak again. Rear glass is spec'd at 8mm in the factory manual. So use 5/16" on that as well. Nothing should ever use 5/8" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Hi Mike and Mark, For the windshield, when Rufino (from local here who did several 914 windshield) replaced my windshield, he used the gun type sealer and yes it is around 5/16" thick only that he applied and that is installing back the chrome trim. Maybe when i did my rear glass, the 3/8 butyl i bought online (1 box) was old and it didn't stick well. I will check later the box of butyl I have or i didn't do a good job pressing it. I would never use the urethane gun type sealant on the front windshield. if any of it touches the trim you will have to ruin the trim to remove it. As I understand glass installers have to use it on all installs now by law. So get a friend and do it yourself if you can't get the glass company to install as originally designed. Oh No Rick! mine was done last year with the gun type sealant! I believed several windshield from 914world local member was done the same. Well if in case I have to replace windshield again, maybe its time to use 914rubber rubber moulding instead of installing back the chrome trim. |
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