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Sad set back, Cockpit reinforcement |
Wew |
Oct 28 2016, 08:30 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 227 Joined: 17-January 15 From: Novato, ca Member No.: 18,335 Region Association: None |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) gents I need your help. I have been busting my arse on this ride and welding in reinforcement brackets that I can no longer close my doors. Tried cutting near the lift points. Car jacked up doors work car down doesn't work. Please offer guidance and personal experience as the car before opened and closed without issue
Thank you : (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) |
Wew |
Oct 28 2016, 08:31 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 227 Joined: 17-January 15 From: Novato, ca Member No.: 18,335 Region Association: None |
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Oct 28 2016, 08:44 PM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,509 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California |
The car length shrunk. There are several posts here addressing that. Your not the first but hopefully the last. Proper bracing and welding techniques prevent this. From those stitch welds I can see it got hot during the welding. A big no-no. Weld 2 or 3 spots on one side, not a freeking 3" span, then move to the other side. An area is ready for additional welding if you can lay your Pecker on it comfortably. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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Wew |
Oct 28 2016, 08:46 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 227 Joined: 17-January 15 From: Novato, ca Member No.: 18,335 Region Association: None |
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Wew |
Oct 28 2016, 09:17 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 227 Joined: 17-January 15 From: Novato, ca Member No.: 18,335 Region Association: None |
I appreciate the reply and welcome more. I did cut and jack up. Then when spacing was achieved jacking rewelded. As soon as I let the jack down it contracted back.
I would appreciate some guidance regarding proper bracing.. Please advise Thanks much Gary |
draganc |
Oct 28 2016, 09:41 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 725 Joined: 2-November 09 From: central new jersey Member No.: 11,000 Region Association: North East States |
Do you have any pictures of the area before the welding was done? it would help to assess the original damage, going forward.
here is one elegant way to brace the door while doing any welding: http://www.tangerineracing.com/tools.htm you can also use two steel square tubes and weld them in palace overlapped - for easy installation. the previous post have already commented that the mistake was that the car wasn't braced and too much heat was inserted. relax, before you do any next steps, search the forum who has done the same repair. you will eventually end up cutting out your previous fix - as you have already done, "relax" the chassis and brace it back to spec and function. Than, weld back the repair SLOWLY! post a lot of pics and ask a lot of questions. the forum is a great source of knowledge and members that want to help. |
draganc |
Oct 28 2016, 09:43 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 725 Joined: 2-November 09 From: central new jersey Member No.: 11,000 Region Association: North East States |
PS: btw, your welds look rather nice....
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Wew |
Oct 28 2016, 10:03 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 227 Joined: 17-January 15 From: Novato, ca Member No.: 18,335 Region Association: None |
Thanks for the compliment on the welds. Where does one weld the brackets to maintain proper spacing?
Would like to apply the two steel square tube solution. Any write ups and images on this forum? Thanks a bunch and taking the time for feedback, Gary |
GaroldShaffer |
Oct 28 2016, 10:58 PM
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You bought another 914? Group: Benefactors Posts: 7,624 Joined: 27-June 03 From: Portage, IN Member No.: 865 Region Association: None |
With the Tangerine racing kit you don't weld the brackets in. You remove the doors and use where the door bolts on and the door latch bolts on. You adjust the door gap by turning the rod ends to get the correct opening width.
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draganc |
Oct 28 2016, 11:00 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 725 Joined: 2-November 09 From: central new jersey Member No.: 11,000 Region Association: North East States |
IMHO, one of the best source for rust repair:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...;hl=rustoration you will see the door brace on the first few pics. |
SixerJ |
Oct 29 2016, 04:23 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 448 Joined: 24-June 13 From: UK Member No.: 16,042 Region Association: England |
Sad news indeed and a lot of work to get back to where you started. The good news is there are some really experienced guys here who will provide sage advice. I second the digging into hell hole thread
This will also be your friend http://www.914world.com/specs/914info.php click under dimensions and there are diagrams & measurements to figure out just how far out you are now and where you need to get back to Don't think about bracing between roll bar and screen frame! You will just make matters worse and bend the screen, use the door bar method as suggested Good luck |
wndsrfr |
Oct 29 2016, 05:41 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,430 Joined: 30-April 09 From: Rescue, Virginia Member No.: 10,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
One more pic. You can see where the top of the door has pinched on itself and actually caused the pain to chip off If the door fits properly when on the jack, then I think your problem is that the underside of the longitudinal is weak, allowing the sag when off of the jack....post a pic of that area....did you do any welding there? |
wndsrfr |
Oct 29 2016, 05:42 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,430 Joined: 30-April 09 From: Rescue, Virginia Member No.: 10,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
If the door fits properly when on the jack, then I think your problem is that the underside of the longitudinal is weak, allowing the sag when off of the jack....post a pic of that area....did you do any welding there? |
cary |
Oct 29 2016, 07:39 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,900 Joined: 26-January 04 From: Sherwood Oregon Member No.: 1,608 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
If the door fits properly when on the jack, then I think your problem is that the underside of the longitudinal is weak, allowing the sag when off of the jack....post a pic of that area....did you do any welding there? I concur with John ................ there's more to the story. |
Curbandgutter |
Oct 29 2016, 08:03 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 564 Joined: 8-March 13 From: Murrieta CA Member No.: 15,637 Region Association: Southern California |
....An area is ready for additional welding if you can lay your Pecker on it comfortably. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Priceless advice (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) I'll remember next time I'm welding. |
rhodyguy |
Oct 29 2016, 10:06 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,093 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Hate to check the temp too early with the pecker test. ZOIKS!
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Wew |
Oct 29 2016, 10:34 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 227 Joined: 17-January 15 From: Novato, ca Member No.: 18,335 Region Association: None |
Thanks for all the input and direction.
The pecker test is the best and worst. I will not mess around and purchase the kit from tangerine racing. I will remove all rocker brackets. Do I need to remove the one on the back? Will explore further on the lower rockers. Thanks fellas and keep the tips and advice coming. I won't get through this without you, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) |
tygaboy |
Oct 29 2016, 10:44 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,314 Joined: 6-October 15 From: Petaluma, CA Member No.: 19,241 Region Association: Northern California |
Thanks for all the input and direction. The pecker test is the best and worst. I will not mess around and purchase the kit from tangerine racing. I will remove all rocker brackets. Do I need to remove the one on the back? Will explore further on the lower rockers. Thanks fellas and keep the tips and advice coming. I won't get through this without you, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) I'm in Petaluma and in the process of chassis stiffening. If you'd like to swing by and take a look at the Tangerine braces in action, PM me and we can meet up. I've also added a feature that allows me to run the brace with the doors on the car. I didn't invent it, gurus like RickS and Jeff Hail have been doing it for years. You can see some detailed pics in my Build Off thread, too. Note that Chris Foley (Tangerine) has plans for an update to allow the doors to stay on. Check w/him on when that may be available. Else you can do something like I did. Chris |
Wew |
Oct 29 2016, 11:06 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 227 Joined: 17-January 15 From: Novato, ca Member No.: 18,335 Region Association: None |
If the door fits properly when on the jack, then I think your problem is that the underside of the longitudinal is weak, allowing the sag when off of the jack....post a pic of that area....did you do any welding there? I concur with John ................ there's more to the story. " No welding there. I will look closer. Did the ice pick test along with close visual. Of course exterior rocker panels emoted for paint. Hell hole atleast near battery tray and engine compartment looked good Me and a bud stood in the car near each door when I first purchased car. 350 lbs between the two of us and the door opened and shut. I will continue to dig and I just ordered the tool from tangerine racing Stay tuned. |
Wew |
Oct 29 2016, 11:08 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 227 Joined: 17-January 15 From: Novato, ca Member No.: 18,335 Region Association: None |
Thanks for all the input and direction. The pecker test is the best and worst. I will not mess around and purchase the kit from tangerine racing. I will remove all rocker brackets. Do I need to remove the one on the back? Will explore further on the lower rockers. Thanks fellas and keep the tips and advice coming. I won't get through this without you, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) I'm in Petaluma and in the process of chassis stiffening. If you'd like to swing by and take a look at the Tangerine braces in action, PM me and we can meet up. I've also added a feature that allows me to run the brace with the doors on the car. I didn't invent it, gurus like RickS and Jeff Hail have been doing it for years. You can see some detailed pics in my Build Off thread, too. Note that Chris Foley (Tangerine) has plans for an update to allow the doors to stay on. Check w/him on when that may be available. Else you can do something like I did. Chris Awesome Chris thanks much and I will give you a call to coordinate a time to swing by. Thanks again |
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