Source of bronze bushing for side shift transmission console, 914 424 224 02 |
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Source of bronze bushing for side shift transmission console, 914 424 224 02 |
carl k |
Mar 11 2019, 12:43 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 76 Joined: 19-August 08 From: San Jose, CA Member No.: 9,440 Region Association: None |
Who carries the bronze replacement bushing kit for the shift console? The only place I've found it is Patrick Motorsports and they want almost $20 to ship the $25 part.
thanks! Carl |
dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Mar 11 2019, 12:59 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,900 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
I do not think that I would install that, it tends to wear out the rod and also the housing
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Mikey914 |
Mar 11 2019, 01:24 PM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,679 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
It’s aftermarket. I know there was a guy making these, not sure who. The factory part has a wear rib on the inside that allows a tight tolerance. The idea is that tat is a convex shape. Allows for alignment as a narrow point. It is a sacrificial part. The bronze is more durable,it can however induce a small side load. Does this mattter? Maybe not. The issue is more of how often you will hand the part. I’d venture a guess that the factory style is good for 30k, the brass lets guess 120k.
These retail at $2.99 each https://shop.914rubber.com/Late-side-shifte...6?categoryId=-1 The brass if I recall was $15-$20. So you value not having to replace as often right? Well the firewall busing (that now may have some additional side load), still wears at the same rate. So you will be replacing this one at a standard interval similar to the one in question. I get it, but this was the logic I used to determine if I should make in brass or just make like OEM. Just my .02 Attached image(s) |
troth |
Mar 11 2019, 01:29 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 151 Joined: 17-August 16 From: CT/WA Member No.: 20,305 Region Association: None |
Who carries the bronze replacement bushing kit for the shift console? The only place I've found it is Patrick Motorsports and they want almost $20 to ship the $25 part. thanks! Carl I think there's been something screwy with the calculators used for shipping by the parts companies lately. It was the same deal for me at Sierra Madre recently. They wanted to charge me $15 to ship something that could be sent using a single 55 cent postage stamp and letter envelope! I called them up and they adjusted it to the standard $6. Something similar happened with Pelican and AA too. So I'd call them up and see what the deal is. As for George's comment, I've had the plastic one in for a few thousand miles with no issues. No experience with the brass. |
johnhora |
Mar 11 2019, 01:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 867 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Derby City KY Member No.: 107 Region Association: None |
Why do you want or think you need the brass one?
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Larmo63 |
Mar 11 2019, 02:03 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,264 Joined: 3-March 14 From: San Clemente, Ca Member No.: 17,068 Region Association: Southern California |
They are made out of bronze, if I recall correctly. I've always used these with no issues, almost as if they are indestructible.
I think I have an extra one, something I double ordered when I did my /6 conversion. I believe there was an eBay seller, but I didn't find any...... |
carl k |
Mar 11 2019, 07:36 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 76 Joined: 19-August 08 From: San Jose, CA Member No.: 9,440 Region Association: None |
I installed a new bushing kit from one of our 914World members. Even with a new plastic bushing, I am seeing 0.074" of radial play (a combination of bushing loose in housing and clearance between bushing and shift rod.)
Maybe that's normal? The shift rod is constant diameter over it's length, so I don't think it's worn just at the bushing location. I have to remove the engine for other reasons, so thought I'd investigate the bronze bushing. regards, Carl Why do you want or think you need the brass one? |
porschetub |
Mar 11 2019, 08:09 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,707 Joined: 25-July 15 From: New Zealand Member No.: 18,995 Region Association: None |
They are made out of bronze, if I recall correctly. I've always used these with no issues, almost as if they are indestructible. I think I have an extra one, something I double ordered when I did my /6 conversion. I believe there was an eBay seller, but I didn't find any...... Good info ,not made of brass for sure,the ebay seller has them no more or the last time I checked,good part and have had no problems,the original part is not a tight fit for no other reason than you can't fit it otherwise. These bushes are what in the old days they called an oilite bush which is bronze and other materials impregnated with oil so self lubricating hence little wear,not sure about the AA reply (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) ,improved my shift for sure. |
Krieger |
Mar 11 2019, 11:04 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,731 Joined: 24-May 04 From: Santa Rosa CA Member No.: 2,104 Region Association: None |
Not all bronze bushing fit the same. The one I bought from PMS several years ago required me to open the hole in the transmission slightly with a file. It is a very snug fit. The other bronze bushing had a sloppy fit in the transmission. I gave it away. The shifting is now amazing in my car. Spend the big bucks on shipping AND handling. It's worth it!
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euro911 |
Mar 12 2019, 02:34 AM
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Retired & living the dream. God help me if I wake up! Group: Members Posts: 8,851 Joined: 2-December 06 From: So.Cal. & No.AZ (USA) Member No.: 7,300 Region Association: Southern California |
THOMAS made the front coupler and rear console bronze bushings for my '75. Those, coupled with the Tangerine spherical firewall bushing made all the difference in the world tightening up the shift linkage.
I'll be doing the bronze coupler and console bushings in my '71 for sure. |
maf914 |
Mar 12 2019, 07:12 AM
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Not a Guru! Group: Members Posts: 3,049 Joined: 30-April 03 From: Central Florida Member No.: 632 Region Association: None |
If the bronze bushing is over sized for the rod diameter you can sleeve the bushing. Go to a hobby shop or hardware store that stocks brass tubing for hobbyists/modellers. (It comes in telescoping sizes.) Buy a piece that slips smoothly and snuggly over the shift rod. Cut a section the length of the bronze bushing. Tin the bushing inner diameter and the brass tube outer diameter with solder. Slip the tube into the bushing and heat the assembly and flow some additional solder into the joint. Clean it up with a file and sand paper. Now you should have a snug custom fit bushing.
The various tranny console plastic bushings I have bought have all been oversize for the shift rod diameter. My steel shift rod had always ridden in the original and one replacement plastic bushing, so I really doubt there was a reduction in diameter due to abrasive friction wear. |
michael7810 |
Mar 12 2019, 09:35 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,081 Joined: 6-June 11 From: Scottsdale, AZ Member No.: 13,164 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I installed a new bushing kit from one of our 914World members. Even with a new plastic bushing, I am seeing 0.074" of radial play (a combination of bushing loose in housing and clearance between bushing and shift rod.) Maybe that's normal? The shift rod is constant diameter over it's length, so I don't think it's worn just at the bushing location. I have to remove the engine for other reasons, so thought I'd investigate the bronze bushing. regards, Carl Why do you want or think you need the brass one? On mine, the new plastic bushing was also loose in the console so I shimmed it with a single wrap of aluminum from a La Croix can and now it’s tight in the console and on the shift rod. It really made a difference shifting into first. |
Porschef |
Mar 13 2019, 04:29 AM
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How you doin' Group: Members Posts: 2,168 Joined: 7-September 10 From: LawnGuyland Member No.: 12,152 Region Association: North East States |
Yes, by all means get and install the Tangerine firewall bushing, it’s money well spent. I had a bronze bushing at the console; it was ok but had some slop. Ended up making a custom one out of Delrin which is also very durable. As the last bushing in the shifting process it does help greatly, and especially as Michael mentioned, getting into first.
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porsche914gt |
Mar 13 2019, 10:37 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 86 Joined: 20-January 04 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 1,581 Region Association: None |
I got one here.
GPRparts.com Part Number: 91442422402B |
euro911 |
Mar 13 2019, 12:12 PM
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Retired & living the dream. God help me if I wake up! Group: Members Posts: 8,851 Joined: 2-December 06 From: So.Cal. & No.AZ (USA) Member No.: 7,300 Region Association: Southern California |
GPR's site isn't working correctly. If you try searching for that #, it doesn't come up, but if you enter the year, make & model (for a late 914) you'll find it under the transmission category, and can add it to a shopping cart from there.
http://www.gprparts.com/ShopforOEAccesorie...ALL&mode=PA |
porschetub |
Mar 13 2019, 01:53 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,707 Joined: 25-July 15 From: New Zealand Member No.: 18,995 Region Association: None |
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