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Paper In the cooling fan |
bandjoey |
Jun 17 2021, 05:15 PM
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bandjoey Group: Members Posts: 4,926 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region |
After 30 minutes of highway driving speed the temperature goes to the bottom of the Redzone. Oil cooler completely clean and fresh oil plus the Engine tin cooling vent fully open I never let it go in the red. I pulled this out of the fan a piece of yellow notebook paper twisted so that it looks like it would cover about half the inside of the cooling fan.
Have you had something like this before and do you think that alone could cause the motor to run hot ? Attached thumbnail(s) |
mrholland2 |
Jun 17 2021, 05:30 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 753 Joined: 7-September 11 From: Santa Maria,CA Member No.: 13,531 Region Association: Central California |
After 30 minutes of highway driving speed the temperature goes to the bottom of the Redzone. Oil cooler completely clean and fresh oil plus the Engine tin cooling vent fully open I never let it go in the red. I pulled this out of the fan a piece of yellow notebook paper twisted so that it looks like it would cover about half the inside of the cooling fan. Have you had something like this before and do you think that alone could cause the motor to run hot ? Kinda like a message in a bottle!! |
PatrickB |
Jun 17 2021, 06:11 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 249 Joined: 26-March 17 From: sw ontario Member No.: 20,960 Region Association: Canada |
After 30 minutes of highway driving speed the temperature goes to the bottom of the Redzone. Oil cooler completely clean and fresh oil plus the Engine tin cooling vent fully open I never let it go in the red. I pulled this out of the fan a piece of yellow notebook paper twisted so that it looks like it would cover about half the inside of the cooling fan. Have you had something like this before and do you think that alone could cause the motor to run hot ? Kinda like a message in a bottle!! Pretty sure that's why mine was running hot, found a piece of paper towel in mine. |
BeatNavy |
Jun 17 2021, 06:24 PM
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Certified Professional Scapegoat Group: Members Posts: 2,924 Joined: 26-February 14 From: Easton, MD Member No.: 17,042 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
After 30 minutes of highway driving speed the temperature goes to the bottom of the Redzone. Oil cooler completely clean and fresh oil plus the Engine tin cooling vent fully open I never let it go in the red. I pulled this out of the fan a piece of yellow notebook paper twisted so that it looks like it would cover about half the inside of the cooling fan. Have you had something like this before and do you think that alone could cause the motor to run hot ? Kinda like a message in a bottle!! Pretty sure that's why mine was running hot, found a piece of paper towel in mine. Me too. I had a paper towel that got sucked in and oil temps spiked. |
bretth |
Jun 17 2021, 06:31 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 899 Joined: 23-June 15 From: Central TX Member No.: 18,882 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I wonder if you can get a screen cover for the fan opening like some Buses had?
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930cabman |
Jun 17 2021, 06:43 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,144 Joined: 12-November 20 From: Buffalo Member No.: 24,877 Region Association: North East States |
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Front yard mechanic |
Jun 17 2021, 06:51 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,172 Joined: 23-July 15 From: New Mexico Member No.: 18,984 Region Association: None |
I wonder what happened to my home work
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ndfrigi |
Jun 17 2021, 07:00 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,933 Joined: 21-August 11 From: Orange County Member No.: 13,474 Region Association: Southern California |
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bandjoey |
Jun 17 2021, 07:01 PM
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bandjoey Group: Members Posts: 4,926 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I never realized how important the fan is. A small paper causing an almost overheat. Out of fear of an overhear and a new habit i'll always keep a watch on the temp gauge.
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dirk2056 |
Jun 17 2021, 07:02 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 93 Joined: 31-July 17 From: cincinnati/Eastside Member No.: 21,304 Region Association: Middle East |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) You had paper (that sucks) but I had shop rag !! What a mess new 2056 motor broke 3 fins on fan and overheated motor and had to replace one exhaust valve. Got off easy and relatively cheep. New fan on ebay and lot of time rebuilding head. I now have the cleanest engine compartment everything is bolted down.
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mepstein |
Jun 17 2021, 07:12 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,313 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Have you had something like this before and do you think that alone could cause the motor to run hot ?
Yes and Absolutely! |
wonkipop |
Jun 18 2021, 05:34 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,402 Joined: 6-May 20 From: north antarctica Member No.: 24,231 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
yeah
but how the f%ck did that get in there. no way is that going to get sucked in via the engine cooling or engine lid. the lid grille mesh is too small to admit that piece of paper? somehow that was already floating around in the engine bay? but i can believe that would be sufficient to mess with the cooling. so how did it get in there. and as to fans of the plastic grille, well the paper is still going to get sucked on to the grille, so i am not sure that is the solution. i think those grilles on bus engines were just there to stop vw technicians getting their neck ties getting caught up in the fan while tuning the twin carbs? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) |
bandjoey |
Jun 18 2021, 06:49 PM
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bandjoey Group: Members Posts: 4,926 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region |
1.5 hours today at 3000rpm or higher in 93 degree heat and it ran like new. Amazing that paper didn't effect balance (that I could tell) but blocked airflow to the heads.
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bkrantz |
Jun 18 2021, 07:50 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,802 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
yeah but how the f%ck did that get in there. no way is that going to get sucked in via the engine cooling or engine lid. the lid grille mesh is too small to admit that piece of paper? somehow that was already floating around in the engine bay? but i can believe that would be sufficient to mess with the cooling. so how did it get in there. and as to fans of the plastic grille, well the paper is still going to get sucked on to the grille, so i am not sure that is the solution. i think those grilles on bus engines were just there to stop vw technicians getting their neck ties getting caught up in the fan while tuning the twin carbs? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) That's what I was thinking. Most stuff found in the fan, or worse, downstream in the fins on the heads or cylinders, has to be self-inflicted. Unless the rubber seal around the engine tin is missing, or the lid was left open. (not including mouse nests) |
Mark Henry |
Jun 19 2021, 07:25 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Nature loves to score two points. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
I have an OCD rule of keeping engine lids (any trunk, door, etc) closed, in fact it pisses the young lad off sometimes. Besides stuff being blown into the car I've seen door hinges and trunk lids damaged by dust devils and strong winds. On the bus fan screen... I bet the first time you have to change a fan belt you will toss it. |
rbzymek |
Jun 19 2021, 08:41 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 195 Joined: 5-April 19 From: Northville, MI Member No.: 23,013 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
In my case a plastic shopping bag was blown off the rear deck and into the engine bay when I wasn't looking. I closed the lid and went for a ride. About 20 minutes later I was wondering why there was smoke trailing the car. I popped the lid. The engine was so hot it was burning off the old oil gunk on the cylinder fins still smoking like crazy. I waited for it to cool holding my garden hose hoping it would not flash and burn. I was lucky. Compression test failed miserably. I replaced the 1.8 with a 2056.
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Robarabian |
Jun 19 2021, 08:57 AM
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914 A Roo Group: Members Posts: 592 Joined: 11-February 19 From: Simi Valley, Kalifornia Member No.: 22,865 Region Association: Southern California |
When you unraveled the paper, did it say they were trying to contact you about your auto warranty?
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euro911 |
Jun 19 2021, 01:05 PM
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Retired & living the dream. God help me if I wake up! Group: Members Posts: 8,851 Joined: 2-December 06 From: So.Cal. & No.AZ (USA) Member No.: 7,300 Region Association: Southern California |
... On the bus fan screen... I bet the first time you have to change a fan belt you will toss it. Yep. I had a bus screen on one of my motors and got rid if it when I had to replace the alternator belt (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
PCH |
Jun 19 2021, 04:08 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 3-January 19 From: Santa Barbara Member No.: 22,772 Region Association: Southern California |
I too have been wondering what's written on that paper.
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wonkipop |
Jun 19 2021, 06:17 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,402 Joined: 6-May 20 From: north antarctica Member No.: 24,231 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
I have an OCD rule of keeping engine lids (any trunk, door, etc) closed, in fact it pisses the young lad off sometimes. Besides stuff being blown into the car I've seen door hinges and trunk lids damaged by dust devils and strong winds. you are not the only one. the rear trunk lid loves to pretend its on the cutty sark in the roaring 40s. .....after reading this thread i'm adding feeling around the fan before start up to paranoid routines like sniffing fuel lines. |
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