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| peteinjp |
Jun 13 2023, 10:31 PM
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Its not a huge deal to separate the hoses but if changing the oil often it would be nice to plumb in a valve or some type of plug to reduce long term wear on the hose seal. Anyone done this? Or any other thoughts?
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| mlindner |
Jun 14 2023, 04:34 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 11-November 11 From: Merrimac, WI Member No.: 13,770 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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| peteinjp |
Jun 14 2023, 05:41 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 212 Joined: 15-July 21 From: Japan Member No.: 25,723 Region Association: None
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So you just cut the stock hose to make that correct? What does a check valve do for you?
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| mate914 |
Jun 14 2023, 06:26 AM
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Matt ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 27-February 09 From: Eagles mere, PA Member No.: 10,102 Region Association: North East States
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Some off the 6 engines need a check valve to stop oil from the tank emptying into engine (lots of smoke upon start up).
Matt (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif) So you just cut the stock hose to make that correct? What does a check valve do for you? |
| Cairo94507 |
Jun 14 2023, 07:27 AM
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Michael ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,609 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California
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Not going to lie, I would like to add a drain valve into the tank line to make oil changes quicker and easier. Just need to remember to safety wire it after you close it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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| 914dave |
Jun 14 2023, 07:40 AM
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914 Addict ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 740 Joined: 19-October 03 From: Willow Grove Pa. Member No.: 1,262 Region Association: North East States
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i have the parts to do this. My plumbing is braided stainless. I plan on adding it between the tank and the engine on the frame behind the trailing arm. I'm working on the safety wire setup.
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| Steve |
Jun 14 2023, 07:46 AM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 6,029 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Laguna Niguel, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California
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I don't have a picture handy, but I have a an-16 male welded on the oil engine oil cooler and a an-16 adapter on the bottom of the tank. This allowed me to install a an-16 "T" with a cap in the oil line. Very easy to change the oil with this setup. Don't have to disconnect any hoses. I have seen somebody in the past install a valve in this line, which is easier than removing the AN-16 cap.
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| Biggles |
Jun 14 2023, 08:06 AM
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Definitely recommend doing this in terms of the time saving and preventing the risk of putting any stress on the weld to the engine oil coller in removing the pipes (which was my previous experience).
Mine's a 3.2 with a termostat to the front cooler, but pics show the old set up (with annotations) and new set up with the 3 way ball valve installed (threaded brass plug to the drain hole is not shown as fitted in photo but obv. should be) on the line to the engine cooler. Only issue too with a front oil cooler, as per this set up, is that you can never fully drain the system towards the front, not an issue with regular oil changes. Attached thumbnail(s) |
| Steve |
Jun 14 2023, 08:40 AM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 6,029 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Laguna Niguel, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California
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Definitely recommend doing this in terms of the time saving and preventing the risk of putting any stress on the weld to the engine oil coller in removing the pipes (which was my previous experience). Mine's a 3.2 with a termostat to the front cooler, but pics show the old set up (with annotations) and new set up with the 3 way ball valve installed (threaded brass plug to the drain hole is not shown as fitted in photo but obv. should be) on the line to the engine cooler. Only issue too with a front oil cooler, as per this set up, is that you can never fully drain the system towards the front, not an issue with regular oil changes. That is a nice setup!! Where did you find/purchase the valve and "T" from? It's much cleaner than my AN16 "T" and cap. |
| Krieger |
Jun 14 2023, 09:28 AM
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| fixer34 |
Jun 14 2023, 09:32 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 16-September 14 From: Chicago area Member No.: 17,908 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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So you just cut the stock hose to make that correct? What does a check valve do for you? It's been 6 years since I put 1000 miles on my -6, plus I did almost a full drain when I installed a check valve a couple years ago. Doing regular oil changes by disconnecting a hose is not an issue right now. On a -6 that isn't driven often, the oil in the tank can seep back into the engine sump. If all the seals are tight, it can fill to the point where oil leaks past the rings and you get a lot of blue smoke when starting. In extreme cases, it fills the case to the point where the engine won't start. With mine, I have a leak somewhere that lets the oil in the case drip onto the garage floor when it gets too full, to the point I used to lose 2-3 quarts over several months. That is why I went with a Rothsport check valve. I still get a leak, but it is on the order of a few tablespoons over a couple months now. 'Some day' I'll fix it, just need to figure out when the some day will be. |
| fixer34 |
Jun 14 2023, 09:34 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 16-September 14 From: Chicago area Member No.: 17,908 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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| Root_Werks |
Jun 14 2023, 10:19 AM
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Village Idiot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,929 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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| johnhora |
Jun 14 2023, 10:26 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 902 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Derby City KY Member No.: 107 Region Association: None
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Very clever.. Nice solution...just put in-between the existing stock lines OK...who's going to make these (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) @mb911 @Mikey914 |
| Lucky9146 |
Jun 14 2023, 10:43 AM
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Always Wanted A Bigger Go Cart ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,699 Joined: 22-September 14 From: Poway California Member No.: 17,942 Region Association: Southern California
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Good thread. Unfortunately I did not include a tank drain and have little real estate available to do so for my 6 conversion. This thread will help get me going on re-evaluating my set up. Thanks!
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| BillJ |
Jun 14 2023, 10:43 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,355 Joined: 4-March 13 From: charlotte, NC Member No.: 15,610 Region Association: None
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I would take two immediately. An -12
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| Biggles |
Jun 14 2023, 10:45 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 205 Joined: 5-September 13 From: UK Member No.: 16,353 Region Association: England |
Definitely recommend doing this in terms of the time saving and preventing the risk of putting any stress on the weld to the engine oil coller in removing the pipes (which was my previous experience). Mine's a 3.2 with a termostat to the front cooler, but pics show the old set up (with annotations) and new set up with the 3 way ball valve installed (threaded brass plug to the drain hole is not shown as fitted in photo but obv. should be) on the line to the engine cooler. Only issue too with a front oil cooler, as per this set up, is that you can never fully drain the system towards the front, not an issue with regular oil changes. That is a nice setup!! Where did you find/purchase the valve and "T" from? It's much cleaner than my AN16 "T" and cap. Steve. I had some engine work done and the garage did this at the same time. Just google 3 way ball valve. That'll give a good starting point. Dont think its anything special. |
| mb911 |
Jun 14 2023, 12:45 PM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,729 Joined: 2-January 09 From: Burlington wi Member No.: 9,892 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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I could do them very easily. I have a hundred 30mm fittings still
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| porschetub |
Jun 14 2023, 01:37 PM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,064 Joined: 25-July 15 From: New Zealand Member No.: 18,995 Region Association: None |
Its not a huge deal to separate the hoses but if changing the oil often it would be nice to plumb in a valve or some type of plug to reduce long term wear on the hose seal. Anyone done this? Or any other thoughts? Pete Where the hoses join with the male/male union I drilled a hole and threaded it for a plug as appears many have done (my late reply ) ,not keen on using a valve,works pretty well but in reality you don't always get 100% of the old but if you change oil to the right schedule its really not an issue . |
| Steve |
Jun 14 2023, 02:25 PM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 6,029 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Laguna Niguel, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California
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Its not a huge deal to separate the hoses but if changing the oil often it would be nice to plumb in a valve or some type of plug to reduce long term wear on the hose seal. Anyone done this? Or any other thoughts? Pete Where the hoses join with the male/male union I drilled a hole and threaded it for a plug ,not keen on using a valve,works pretty well . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I looked around at the 3 way ball valves and they were only rated for 215 degrees. |
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