Small female spade connectors, for license plate lights etc. |
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Small female spade connectors, for license plate lights etc. |
Literati914 |
Oct 3 2023, 07:30 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,697 Joined: 16-November 06 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 7,222 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Several of the small female spade connectors on my car are connected to cracked wiring at about 1-2” up, in particular @ my license plate lights. So I need to do some splicing and renew those tiny connectors. They are smaller than the typical 1/4” hardware.. anyone know the correct sizing term to search for? Are they these ones? :
https://www.wurthusa.com/Electrical/Connect...e-18/p/05585029 . |
aharder |
Oct 3 2023, 07:48 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,544 Joined: 6-September 11 From: Dallas Texas Member No.: 13,524 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Try Del city, delcity.net
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JeffBowlsby |
Oct 3 2023, 08:52 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,706 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
Those look right.
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Geezer914 |
Oct 4 2023, 07:53 AM
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Geezer914 Group: Members Posts: 1,749 Joined: 18-March 09 From: Salem, NJ Member No.: 10,179 Region Association: North East States |
Radio Shack, or any electronics parts store.
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76-914 |
Oct 4 2023, 09:21 AM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,621 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California |
Says they are out of stock at Wurthusa. Wurth says they are 1/8". Del City says theirs are .187". So what is the correct size as the original post asks? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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JeffBowlsby |
Oct 4 2023, 09:56 AM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,706 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
Here is one source. but its way too much to pay for this terminal. I know Napa has others but their site is too difficult for me to wade through right now.
https://www.napaonline.com/en/search?text=C...&referer=v2 |
Spoke |
Oct 4 2023, 10:31 AM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 7,079 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None |
If they are 1/8 inch, Digikey has them. NAPA is making a fortune on that on at $4.99 each. These are $0.17.
0.125" (3.18mm) Quick Connect Female 18-22 AWG Crimp Connector Non-Insulated |
914sgofast2 |
Oct 4 2023, 11:01 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 647 Joined: 10-May 13 From: El Dorado Hills, CA Member No.: 15,855 Region Association: None |
I second the recommendation of DigiKey. The site is a little difficult to navigate; it helps a lot if you know what the part is typically called in "Electronics World Speak".
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JeffBowlsby |
Oct 4 2023, 01:49 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,706 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
Those terminals are not typically 0.125, they are 0.110 in. if I recall correctly.
Measure the existing terminals to replace them and use corrosion resistant material such solid brass where exposed to water. |
Spoke |
Oct 4 2023, 05:26 PM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 7,079 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None |
Those terminals are not typically 0.125, they are 0.110 in. if I recall correctly. Measure the existing terminals to replace them and use corrosion resistant material such solid brass where exposed to water. There's more selection at Digikey for 0.110 in like this one. But none in copper. 0.110" (2.79mm) Quick Connect Female 18-22 AWG Crimp Connector Non-Insulated |
Literati914 |
Oct 4 2023, 06:08 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,697 Joined: 16-November 06 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 7,222 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Those terminals are not typically 0.125, they are 0.110 in. if I recall correctly. Measure the existing terminals to replace them and use corrosion resistant material such solid brass where exposed to water. There's more selection at Digikey for 0.110 in like this one. But none in copper. 0.110" (2.79mm) Quick Connect Female 18-22 AWG Crimp Connector Non-Insulated I saw that too. The one linked above ^ is actually brass as JeffBowlsby suggested but it’s coated with tin. Here is one that’s all brass (I need to see if there’s an all brass option that is insulated) https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/...rs/42068/293266 . |
Spoke |
Oct 4 2023, 06:44 PM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 7,079 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None |
Those terminals are not typically 0.125, they are 0.110 in. if I recall correctly. Measure the existing terminals to replace them and use corrosion resistant material such solid brass where exposed to water. There's more selection at Digikey for 0.110 in like this one. But none in copper. 0.110" (2.79mm) Quick Connect Female 18-22 AWG Crimp Connector Non-Insulated I saw that too. The one linked above ^ is actually brass as JeffBowlsby suggested but it’s coated with tin. Here is one that’s all brass (I need to see if there’s an all brass option that is insulated) https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/...rs/42068/293266 . Not sure why I looked for copper instead of brass. Although brass won't corrode when exposed to water it will oxidize quite rapidly. A friend worked at Baldwin Brass in Reading PA and everything they made would be cleaned, buffed, and immediately lacquered so it wouldn't tarnish. |
Arkady |
Oct 4 2023, 07:38 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 13-May 22 From: Home, PA Member No.: 26,545 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
These connectors go by several names because a number of manufacturers produce them. (Amp, Molex, Packard Electric, Hella, etc...) The good news is that they are standardized by their width. There are three in general use plus one that's smaller.
Amp calls this series of connectors 'fastons'. They have widths of .250 (6.3mm), .188 (4.8 mm), .110 (2.8 mm) and the littlest, 0.87 (2.2 mm). They are available fully insulated with a barrel style crimp, insulated crimp only also with a barrel style crimp and a those with a 'U' style crimp. An important thing to keep in mind is that whatever crimp style these connectors use, they require what is called a 'gas tight' crimp. This means the crimp fully yields both the connector and conductor (wire) material so there are no air spaces inside the crimp region. An air space eventually causes a form of galvanic corrosion that results in a higher electrical resistance connection. High resistance makes heat which speeds up the corrosion. Connector manufacturers make crimp tools that are designed to properly crimp their connectors and provide a gas tight crimp. A generic crimp tool often is a compromise to crimp several brands and may or may not provide a gas tight crimp on all brands. Lastly, (whew!), many connectors of this style actually have two crimp regions. One for the conductor (discussed above) and a 'strain relief' crimp that grabs onto the wire's insulation. The strain relief crimp secures the wire's insulation and reduces the likelihood that wire movement will fatigue the wire's conductor at the conductor crimp. The connector manufacturer's crimp tooling usually has some means of adjustment for the wire's insulation diameter. Sorry for getting this far in the weeds, but you'd be surprised how many manufacturers of all kinds of stuff ignore this, only to create unnecessary warranty claims and unhappy customers... |
Literati914 |
Oct 4 2023, 09:10 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,697 Joined: 16-November 06 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 7,222 Region Association: Southwest Region |
These connectors go by several names because a number of manufacturers produce them. (Amp, Molex, Packard Electric, Hella, etc...) The good news is that they are standardized by their width. There are three in general use plus one that's smaller. Amp calls this series of connectors 'fastons'. They have widths of .250 (6.3mm), .188 (4.8 mm), .110 (2.8 mm) and the littlest, 0.87 (2.2 mm). They are available fully insulated with a barrel style crimp, insulated crimp only also with a barrel style crimp and a those with a 'U' style crimp. An important thing to keep in mind is that whatever crimp style these connectors use, they require what is called a 'gas tight' crimp. This means the crimp fully yields both the connector and conductor (wire) material so there are no air spaces inside the crimp region. An air space eventually causes a form of galvanic corrosion that results in a higher electrical resistance connection. High resistance makes heat which speeds up the corrosion. Connector manufacturers make crimp tools that are designed to properly crimp their connectors and provide a gas tight crimp. A generic crimp tool often is a compromise to crimp several brands and may or may not provide a gas tight crimp on all brands. Lastly, (whew!), many connectors of this style actually have two crimp regions. One for the conductor (discussed above) and a 'strain relief' crimp that grabs onto the wire's insulation. The strain relief crimp secures the wire's insulation and reduces the likelihood that wire movement will fatigue the wire's conductor at the conductor crimp. The connector manufacturer's crimp tooling usually has some means of adjustment for the wire's insulation diameter. Sorry for getting this far in the weeds, but you'd be surprised how many manufacturers of all kinds of stuff ignore this, only to create unnecessary warranty claims and unhappy customers... Wow, good info - thanks. Here’s another “interesting” question .. are there special sizing for the ones that get two wires into one connector? Maybe a larger barrel? With the cheap (red, blue, yellow) ones you can usually move up to blue from red when you have this (but hey, no gas tight crimp there either). . |
Arkady |
Oct 5 2023, 07:06 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 13-May 22 From: Home, PA Member No.: 26,545 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Sorry for the delay. Gotta work to eat... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif)
This gets a little deeper in the weeds... Connector manufacturers design crimping tools to provide a gas tight crimp for a certain size wire. In the case of the faston style connectors, (and others too) with barrel crimps, there's a range of wire gages that are acceptable. This works because both the conductor and the connector yield (squish together) from the force exerted by the crimping tool. Yellow is good for 10 to 12 AWG, Blue is fine for 14 to 16, Red for 18 to 22. The cross sectional area of each size wire is what's important. If you decide to crimp two wires in a connector, the correct connector size will be determined by adding the cross sectional areas of the two wires and referring to the American Wire Gage chart to see what the equivalent wire gage becomes. Let's say you want to crimp two 18 AWG wires into a connector. The American Wire Gage chart says each 18 AWG wire has a cross sectional area of 1.62 Thousand Circular Mils, (kcmil). Adding the two together gives: 1.62 + 1.62 = 3.24 kcmil. The AWG chart shows that 3.24 kcmil is very close to 15 AWG, so this will determine the correct connector (Blue is for 14 to 16 AWG and will work). Another way to do this is by using a helpful rule of thumb. For example, let's say you want to crimp the same two 18 AWG wires. The rule of thumb for getting the equivalent wire gage, is that doubling the cross sectional area results in dropping the gage number by three. So, two 18 AWG wires will have an equivalent gage number of (18 -3) = 15. This works for all sizes from 36 AWG through 0000 AWG. It's so because every numerical AWG size jump increases its cross sectional area by the same multiplier. Kinda cool in a 'nerdy' sort of way... |
JeffBowlsby |
Oct 5 2023, 07:49 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,706 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
B…B…B…but Porsches live in the metric wire world. Is there a similar rule of thumb for metric wires?
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Arkady |
Oct 5 2023, 08:31 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 13-May 22 From: Home, PA Member No.: 26,545 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Good point!
Happily, the American Wire Gage tables also list metric equivalents. Following, is an easy to use calculator to help with the conversions: https://www.rapidtables.com/calc/wire/wire-gauge-chart.html I'm not aware of a metric rule of thumb but that doesn't mean one doesn't exist. Wire sizes and their many styles (Materials, Stranding, Temperature Ratings, Compatibility, Shielding, etc) can be confusing. I think that for our automotive uses, the conductor's cross sectional area, be it expressed in kcmil or square millimeters (mm²), is the measure we should use to find the correct sized terminal for the wires we may use. |
bkrantz |
Oct 5 2023, 08:40 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,111 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Belmetric, for this and other true metric connectors.
https://belmetric.com/small-female-spade-no-tab/ |
Spoke |
Oct 5 2023, 09:43 PM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 7,079 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None |
It is amazing how deep one can get into details of a $0.10 crimp connector.
Oops, European car; I meant a 0.095 Euro connector. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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