Porsche Certificate (Zertificate) NLA Options

[JeffBowlsby]

I just learned that Porsche (Germany) has now limited their access for the Certificate (Zertificate) because the 914 is too old – nothing older than a 993 is now possible.

I wonder if this is related to the new system of PPS and CTC for classic Porsche here in the US?

[davep]

That may explain why the 914/4 data disappeared a few months ago that I had some access to.
Are they really trying to antagonize all the early Porsche owners? Time will tell, but that would appear to be very foolish. 45 years worth of records deleted? Really?

[JeffBowlsby]

Don’t think they are deleted, just only accessible now thru the PPS/CTC program.

[914Sixer]

Another way to make more money?

[wonkipop]

@davep and @JeffBowlsby

that settles it then for me.
i am going to try VW classic.
gives me all the info on the car including confirmation of original engine number.

https://www.volkswagen-classic-parts.com/en...zx6xJZtm43axQ-A

its a reasonable cost from VW direct.

i can't see why it won't work.
anywhere else in the world besides USA/Canada the 4 was a VW-Porsche.
i live in aus and the car resides here now.
it was sold at VW dealerships (only) in Germany (at least).
its got a VW model number. 471. ie its a type 4 "ghia". or at least a half of one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

ill be ticking the other country - english language box.

likely porsche north america were using some kind of date base that resided inside VW-Audi or VW of N A records for the 4s, not necessarily a data base held by VW in germany.

the VW certificates are produced from data held in the german operation data base i believe.
where all the old factory records are stored.
karmann was by the time the 914 was being produced owned and operated by VW.
all cars produced for VW used VW protocols and systems for production orders and records. people are able to get classic certificates for beetle cabs built at the same time and in the case of the 914 during late production on the very same production line.

[JeffBowlsby]

Sounds good Michael. Let us know how it works out.

[davep]

Oh, the dealership system may be devoid of the early Porsche data, but my primary sources are not affected in any way. I am still producing Reports for the 914.
I have been working hard for the last week rebuilding my database on the 914's and trying to figure out the model code once again. It is not as simple as I once thought and there are definitely errors in the codes derived from the Window Stickers and the options I see on the CoA's of old.

A couple of items that have appeared out of my renewed study of the 914 data are:
1) the Production # (handwritten under the dash) and the Karmann body # (stamped on the paint badge and in the rear trunk floor until sometime in 1974 then moved to a badge in the front trunk) became synchronized beginning with the 1974 model year. There may be exceptions I have no found yet.
2) option M002 ( sealed beam headlight; supplied by the USA) should be a standard option supplied with all 914 delivered to the USA for distribution starting about 1974

[wonkipop]

Oh, the dealership system may be devoid of the early Porsche data, but my primary sources are not affected in any way. I am still producing Reports for the 914.
I have been working hard for the last week rebuilding my database on the 914's and trying to figure out the model code once again. It is not as simple as I once thought and there are definitely errors in the codes derived from the Window Stickers and the options I see on the CoA's of old.

A couple of items that have appeared out of my renewed study of the 914 data are:
1) the Production # (handwritten under the dash) and the Karmann body # (stamped on the paint badge and in the rear trunk floor until sometime in 1974 then moved to a badge in the front trunk) became synchronized beginning with the 1974 model year. There may be exceptions I have no found yet.
2) option M002 ( sealed beam headlight; supplied by the USA) should be a standard option supplied with all 914 delivered to the USA for distribution starting about 1974

when you say "synchronised" dave, re the production #, do you mean that there were different non matching #s in those locations prior to 1974?

[davep]

Yes, by "synchronized" I mean that the the two numbers are the same.
Back in 1965 when the 912 was introduced Karmann added their own number to the chassis; initially in the speaker recess in the dash, then after about 3500 cars it was stamped on the tunnel along the edge of the hole at the rear for linkage access. Back then the number was not synchronized with the VIN/Production #, but was in the same format. In 1968 there were 911 chassis built by Karmann, and the Karmann # again mimicked the VIN but was generally not identical. In 1969 the VIN was no longer the Production # and the format of the Production # and the Karmann # changed from that of the VIN. The Karmann # was the same series for both 911 & 912, but again they were not synchronized. 1970 brought the 914/4 & 914/6. For the 911 & 912 the Production # and the Karmann # became synchronized, but the 914/6 was not; about 2500 cars into 1970 914/6 MY the Production # and the Karmann # did become synchronized. In fact the Karmann # was not identical in format with the Production #; it was missing the year digit in 1970, but got the missing digit for 1971. The 914/4 got an entirely different Production # and Karmann # scheme, but they they were not synchronized until the 1974 model year. And, as we have discovered, not only has the Karmann # scheme varied a bit over the years (base xxy95zz and xxy90zz) but has been shared with some VW models for a period of time.