Orange peel, original Options

[930cabman]

AFAIK our cars were finished with a synthol enamel, probably one tack coat and 2 full coats. I am not interested in going base coat/clear coat and am looking forward to an original or close to the original orange peel. How is this measured (profilometer), what was the original?

TIA

[wonkipop]

AFAIK our cars were finished with a synthol enamel, probably one tack coat and 2 full coats. I am not interested in going base coat/clear coat and am looking forward to an original or close to the original orange peel. How is this measured (profilometer), what was the original?

TIA

you are probably right.

and not necessarily glasurit either. i think glasurit may have supplied the porsche factory (or BASF whoever made it) but i don't know that for sure. also it was karmann painting the cars not porsche (rueter).

solvent based. a member here with a 74 saturn yellow was going through this a couple of years ago. he has been off the radar for a while but there was a topic on it.

the enamel glasurit (solvent based) he found impossible to get i believe in the USA.
at least officially. and i'm not sure about his luck in looking for other versions that might have been non solvent based.

i don't know enough about paint to know more. one thing i have heard is that painters down here trying to get results in top end restos of 60s/70s aus muscle cars usually use an additive to knock the gloss levels back to match the appearance of that vintage paint. would not know how you get the orange peel but it can be done. its all in the hands of the painter.

good luck. you need to consult a master painter to work out how you could accurately achieve a restoration finish that gets around modern enviro friendly paints.

[Front yard mechanic]

If you like orange peel just use a cheap harbor freight sprayer @ 30 psi and no water separator

[emerygt350]

I can hook you up with some rattle can clear coat that will give you orange peel if you look at it wrong.

[930cabman]

Trying to get close to the original look, not interested in a "mirror finish"

[emerygt350]

Trying to get close to the original look, not interested in a "mirror finish"

Then that stuff is for you.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DVWW648Y?ref=pp..._title&th=1

Nothing mirror like about it.

Also, no idea about the original but you can sand and polish to taste. What I would be looking for is something that protects that paint underneath the best. Some of the modern clear coats don't have to be mirror like but will produce a really tough cover for your paint.

[StarBear]

Ah! A corresponding inquiry to mine in Originality. Someone TRYING to recreate the proper orange peel! huzzah!
Have used Nason urethane on some cosmetic touch ups lately. Got a computer scan match color formula. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[930cabman]

Ah! A corresponding inquiry to mine in Originality. Someone TRYING to recreate the proper orange peel! huzzah!
Have used Nason urethane on some cosmetic touch ups lately. Got a computer scan match color formula. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I found this locally in Palma Green: https://techinfo.glasurit.com/en_US/22-Line...-Mix)_en_US.pdf

Getting close with the block, might get to color next week. I will have several samples

[wonkipop]

Ah! A corresponding inquiry to mine in Originality. Someone TRYING to recreate the proper orange peel! huzzah!
Have used Nason urethane on some cosmetic touch ups lately. Got a computer scan match color formula. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I found this locally in Palma Green: https://techinfo.glasurit.com/en_US/22-Line...-Mix)_en_US.pdf

Getting close with the block, might get to color next week. I will have several samples

thats the gear..........

except.
here is the topic. member Van B was trying to get hold of it in the states a couple of years ago and was having real problems sourcing. enviro regs?

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=363333&hl=

even hard to get your hands on it down here.
though there was a guy with grey market source for it.
all mentioned in topic if i remember correctly.

good luck with finding it.

[nivekdodge]

The issue become usage. No shops are using single stage on a regular basis. So therefore the paint companies quit making it. And what ever is left on a shop or jobbers mixing machine is probably no good , leaving you with maybe a bad match or a bad paint job.

Find the guy who is going to paint your car and ask him what fills your needs the mos.

Kevin

[bkrantz]

If you like orange peel just use a cheap harbor freight sprayer @ 30 psi and no water separator

Gee, that sounds like a lot of work. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

[930cabman]

Ah! A corresponding inquiry to mine in Originality. Someone TRYING to recreate the proper orange peel! huzzah!
Have used Nason urethane on some cosmetic touch ups lately. Got a computer scan match color formula. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I found this locally in Palma Green: https://techinfo.glasurit.com/en_US/22-Line...-Mix)_en_US.pdf

Getting close with the block, might get to color next week. I will have several samples

thats the gear..........

except.
here is the topic. member Van B was trying to get hold of it in the states a couple of years ago and was having real problems sourcing. enviro regs?

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=363333&hl=

even hard to get your hands on it down here.
though there was a guy with grey market source for it.
all mentioned in topic if i remember correctly.

good luck with finding it.

Got it locally, I was kinda shocked myself

[930cabman]

The issue become usage. No shops are using single stage on a regular basis. So therefore the paint companies quit making it. And what ever is left on a shop or jobbers mixing machine is probably no good , leaving you with maybe a bad match or a bad paint job.

Find the guy who is going to paint your car and ask him what fills your needs the mos.

Kevin

I found this locally https://techinfo.glasurit.com/en_US/22-Line...-Mix)_en_US.pdf It's their 22 line urethane acrylic

and have tried a few samples, seems to shoot well. I am still blocking and will hopefully get more into it next week

question is how much orange peel? It's a small amount for sure.

Were our cars baked from the factory?

[wonkipop]

The issue become usage. No shops are using single stage on a regular basis. So therefore the paint companies quit making it. And what ever is left on a shop or jobbers mixing machine is probably no good , leaving you with maybe a bad match or a bad paint job.

Find the guy who is going to paint your car and ask him what fills your needs the mos.

Kevin

I found this locally https://techinfo.glasurit.com/en_US/22-Line...-Mix)_en_US.pdf It's their 22 line urethane acrylic

and have tried a few samples, seems to shoot well. I am still blocking and will hopefully get more into it next week

question is how much orange peel? It's a small amount for sure.

Were our cars baked from the factory?

i think it was baked.
i could do a bit of searching and find out for sure.
you gonna set up a baking oven? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

can try and take a photo of mine on the weekend if the sun is out.
the paint on the flanks and inners is still pretty much ok and factory.
right sort of light will pick up the dimples. its small.

the bumpers valences and rockers are a lot more orange peel.
pretty sure thats actually black paint over shutz which leads to that particular orange peel.

[Superhawk996]

I hear plasti-dip leaves a real nice orange peel if carefully applied with a roller.

Not helpful you say?

Sorry couldn’t help myself (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

At the end of the day, it’s not about the paint type and whether or not it’s baked. Surface finish is a function of so many variables (temperature, how the paint is thinned, etc., and most of all how it is applied). Trying to shoot for a particular level of orange peel is going to be quite a challenge.

I’ll just share one last bit of experience - once you begin to wet sand orange peel - you’re almost fully committed to ending with a smooth finish.

When you knock just the tips off orange peel, but leave the “valleys”, it looks horrendous in my opinion. At that point it doesn’t look properly painted, nor does it look properly finished out.

I wish you the best in your quest. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

Used to use a tool like this in the assembly plants for quick audits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2preUd5knM?si=RwmHekqaBVfacXiV

If you have to ask how much they cost - somewhere around $30k & up - you can’t afford it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

[mepstein]

The issue become usage. No shops are using single stage on a regular basis. So therefore the paint companies quit making it. And what ever is left on a shop or jobbers mixing machine is probably no good , leaving you with maybe a bad match or a bad paint job.

Find the guy who is going to paint your car and ask him what fills your needs the mos.

Kevin

Our painter gets single stage made up in any color we need. I’ve never heard of it being unavailable, just not used for modern cars.

This is aquamarine in single stage. He’s done a half dozen other cars for us since then. All single stage.

[930cabman]

Supposing I was a nut, I could source one of these: https://www.keyence.com/products/3d-measure...asure/vk-x3000/

But I'm not that crazy.

I am currently blocking everything and will try a few samples this weekend. Perfection is far from my MO, a decent finish with some orange peel, not too many waves and shiny is the goal

a mirror finish is not the goal

[wonkipop]

Supposing I was a nut, I could source one of these: https://www.keyence.com/products/3d-measure...asure/vk-x3000/

But I'm not that crazy.

I am currently blocking everything and will try a few samples this weekend. Perfection is far from my MO, a decent finish with some orange peel, not too many waves and shiny is the goal

a mirror finish is not the goal

who cares if you are a nut. not me. bet i am crazier. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

to assist. 74 p rot. factory finish (apart from wear over 50 years to account for).
ive not polished it since 91. just clay bared it in 20.





my 2002 renault clio RS is more orange peeled.
the french robots were even drunker than the beer drinking hoons at karmann after lunch?

[930cabman]

Supposing I was a nut, I could source one of these: https://www.keyence.com/products/3d-measure...asure/vk-x3000/

But I'm not that crazy.

I am currently blocking everything and will try a few samples this weekend. Perfection is far from my MO, a decent finish with some orange peel, not too many waves and shiny is the goal

a mirror finish is not the goal

who cares if you are a nut. not me. bet i am crazier. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

to assist. 74 p rot. factory finish (apart from wear over 50 years to account for).
ive not polished it since 91. just clay bared it in 20.





my 2002 renault clio RS is more orange peeled.
the french robots were even drunker than the beer drinking hoons at karmann after lunch?

Yes, that's the look and there is a fair amount of latitude, assuming one's level of spirits

[wonkipop]

Supposing I was a nut, I could source one of these: https://www.keyence.com/products/3d-measure...asure/vk-x3000/

But I'm not that crazy.

I am currently blocking everything and will try a few samples this weekend. Perfection is far from my MO, a decent finish with some orange peel, not too many waves and shiny is the goal

a mirror finish is not the goal

who cares if you are a nut. not me. bet i am crazier. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

to assist. 74 p rot. factory finish (apart from wear over 50 years to account for).
ive not polished it since 91. just clay bared it in 20.





my 2002 renault clio RS is more orange peeled.
the french robots were even drunker than the beer drinking hoons at karmann after lunch?

Yes, that's the look and there is a fair amount of latitude, assuming one's level of spirits

go for it.
the surface of an orange is beautiful. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)