Dino vs.914, whats wrong with people Options

[geniusanthony]

Ok, so i am officially placing my first post (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) and here are my thoughts...Our beloved teeners are in an engineering sense an identical car to the Ferrari Dino. I mean this in the sense that the were both budget minded sports cars of similar size and performance...I am refering to the -6 models for closest similarity. same layout and intended consumer.
That being said I challenge you all to think this over and lend us all your thoughts on this manner and now the $100,000 question, do you suppose that if we painted our cars red, wore funny hats and red members only jackets would our cars be equally desireable????

[smooth_eddy]

My Dad wears a members only jacket. I call him the last member. Welcome to the club. What part of Seattle do you live in? Eddy

[Crazyhippy]

You guys dont wear funny hats and members only jackets?? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mad.gif)

Damn

LOL
BJH

[GeorgeRud]

As much as I have loved the 914-6 over the last 30 years of ownership, the Ferrari Dino is agueably one of the most beautifully designed cars of all time. The prototype 916s were developed to compete with it, but even then the Porsche Board decided to axe the idea as they felt it wouldn't compete effectively.

So, we continue wearing our Lederhosen, drinking our Lowenbraus, and enjoying life. Don't sweat the Ferrari crowd, there's always someone richer and thinner in life!

[grasshopper]

QUOTE (smooth_eddy @ Jan 16 2006, 07:20 PM)

Welcome to the club.

its not a club!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/slap.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) and welcome anthony! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wavey.gif)

[Andyrew]

to the dino owners...


"BRING IT OOOOOOONN!!!!"

i'd love to play cat and mouse with em on the track... if I had enough balls they would never see me (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) -

Welcome!

[geniusanthony]

so looks aside and jumping away from hat/jacket comments, in strictly mechanical terms they seem to be very close cousins both in age and performance/racing pedigree why is the 914 not as desired? VW heritage, as that is not the case with the -6 model as it was strictly a P-car in europe as opposed to VW-Porsche..

Sweating the Ferrari crowd, Never just saw one flash across the screen on SPEED and got to thinkiing

[olav]

Back before the 90s Ferrari boom or 80s boom when the Dino was looked down on for being a six cylinder Ferrari you could get those cars real cheap. Something like under 10K.

That's what owners say when I talk to them at the Concorso Italiano. Now of course they are more desireable.

[URY914]

The Dino is a Fiat as a 914 is a VW. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

[Seagrave]

The Dino was the "Dino" and not a real Ferrari just like the 914 was not a real Porsche. My, my, how times have changed. Both cars are now considered a member of the family instead of the bastard child. There is no comparison in my mind though. Tweaked teeners may kick Dino ass but (as we all know) there are a lot of little rice burners out there that can do the same to Ferraris and Porsches too. As to the comparison of the Dino and the 914, if you have a Dino, I'd consider a trade with you! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

[MattR]

My boss at work is restoring a really nice dino right now. The engine is sitting on a bench in the back and it has a big FIAT written on the cam towers. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[geniusanthony]

Sorry to let you down fellas but I do not have a dino, some good info is coming out of the consortium here though. I just picked out my teener last week and my wife is gonna pick it up here shortly, I already checked it out and am looking forward to coming back from Iraq (In the Army,based out of ft. lewis) in like 6-12 months but here is the one i examined and approved.

[redshift]

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Loving 914s is fine, but no reason to be silly about it.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

There were only around 4000 Dinos made, and they cost twice as much as a (VW) Porsche.

At the time when they were being made, Porsches weren't considered to be anything more than expensive VWs.

There were almost 123,000 914s made..

Get reaaaal...

If you drive a 246, you definately understand the difference in... uhh.. handling.

Imagine if Mercedes had made 914s in 1990.


M

[geniusanthony]

btw, definately gonna be a project, but a solid starting point,,was originally orange from 71

[lapuwali]

The premise you started with: the 914 and Dino are identical from an engineering perspective, is pretty far off the mark, too.

By that argument, you could class the FIAT X1/9, the Toyota MR2, and the Pontiac Fiero all in the same boat. Value is hardly set by "engineering perspective", and these cars all only share a mid-engined layout, and little else.

The Dino suspension shares little to nothing with the 914 layout. The 914 engine is longitudinal, where the Dino (and the others mentioned) are all transverse. Only the 914 is air-cooled. Only the 914 uses a flat-engine layout. Very different cars, hardly "close cousins".

As for value and desirability, Porsches have always been cheaper than Ferraris (and the Dino is a Ferrari to all but the worst snobs). Just look at the new and current prices for a 308 (Ferrari's cheapest model for years) and the 911s from the same year (NOT Porsche's entry model), and the 308 will generally be more expensive. Porsche's entry models from the 308 era are generally dirt cheap even in excellent condition. 924s are usually under $3K, and 944s under $5K. A 308 is 5-6 times that. Even the generally disliked 308 GT4 is worth a lot more than a clean 944, and approaches the price of a good 911SC.

None of this has to make any sense, btw. I've pointed out on this forum before that nice examples of once VERY desirable cars are often dirt cheap today. In the mid-80s every F1 driver owned a Mercedes 500SEC, and it was considered THE car to have by the Eurotrash set. Now, you can pick one up for under $5K, or less than the price of a really nice 914/4 (let alone a /6).

[geniusanthony]

Yes i said from an engineering persp., but in terms of antiquity and pedigree i still see the two as similar. remember too i stated that i was refering to the -6 models. I did not take into account that the production numbers were that low.

The original point i wanted to make was that it is merely interesting that the two makes were held in such different pedestals. on that note looking at only -6's and it may be appropriate to look at the -6 gt's here for a comparable benchmark

[Maltese Falcon]

The 246 Dino also took its engine (afaik) from the Fiat Dino, something else the purists despised. It did have a good high strung , chain driven ohc sound to it though. There was a top eschelon 246 know as the "Chairs and Flares" model, which apparently got upgraded recaros and fatter fenders/ tires in the deal.
I only recall old car mags comparing the still born 916 to the 246>> our humble 914s in a different league however.
Marty

[tod914]

There is a comonality between the two cars... the rear calipers (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)

[dan10101]

Neat car, But it has to go thru life as a NARF...
NARF NARF! Has a nice ring to it.

http://members.tripod.com/~ferrari308gt4/gt4.html

3 liter 240 HP. Sounds like fun. Seats 4, (well 2 and 2 halfs.)

[dmenche914]

rode in a Dino at christmas, It was really nice, very fast, great looking. it is in a different class than the 914.