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Blank Body, Is it real? |
Pat Garvey |
May 24 2006, 07:09 AM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
I'm just curious.........
The parts manual lists parts 914.501.003.11 & 914.501.004.11 as "blank body, primed, sound-proofed & sealed". I recognize that these parts would long ago be NLA, but has anyone every hears of such a part being ordered? Maybe to build a racer? |
davep |
May 24 2006, 07:17 AM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,152 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
Yes, there were real. I know of one such being ordered to rebody a six way back when. The numbers on it are truely different, both the fender 'VIN' and the trunk 'Chassis #' make no sense compared to every other number I know of.
What complicates things for that particular car is that the original body was not destroyed as it was supposed to be. Years later it was resurrected as a /4, then reconverted to a six. So now there are two bodies around with the 'same VIN'. |
JeffBowlsby |
May 24 2006, 07:26 AM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,533 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
Is that the Dave O car?
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davep |
May 24 2006, 07:30 AM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,152 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
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Mueller |
May 24 2006, 08:54 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
sometimes known as a "body in white"...just a chassis painted in basic white, an option for the race teams to build up a car without having to purchase a complete car just to tear it apart....
whether or not anyone did this with the 914 I do not know...common with 911s |
SirAndy |
May 24 2006, 01:24 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,676 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
ok, this begs the question ...
anyone tried to order one lately? i'm serious ... i have always been amazed about the amount of stuff you still can get from the factory if you just simply ask ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Andy |
MartyYeoman |
May 24 2006, 01:31 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,520 Joined: 19-June 03 From: San Ramon, CA Member No.: 839 Region Association: Northern California |
I hope you post a picture when yours arrives, Andy.
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redshift |
May 24 2006, 01:35 PM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
There were 2 left as of around... 5 years ago? (according to AA @ the time)
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John |
May 24 2006, 02:59 PM
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member? what's a member? Group: Members Posts: 3,393 Joined: 30-January 04 From: Evansville, IN (SIRPCA) Member No.: 1,615 Region Association: None |
My dad looked into a blank body back in 1984, but was told that they were NLA back then by Stoddard.
This was after I wrecked that car. The car got straightened, a new firewall, trunk floor and a new rear panel. It is still our track car today. I don't believe half the crap that comes from AA. |
wilchek |
May 24 2006, 03:03 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 506 Joined: 8-June 04 From: Eastern Pennsylvania Member No.: 2,177 |
Porsche says that they are unavailable. The E code before part number means part no longer available
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Allan |
May 24 2006, 03:04 PM
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Teenerless Weenie Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California |
I just searched Stoddard's site using both part numbers and came up empty...
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ejm |
May 24 2006, 03:20 PM
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I can see the light at the end of the tunnel Group: Members Posts: 2,693 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Massachusetts Member No.: 224 Region Association: None |
QUOTE The parts manual lists parts 914.501.003.11 & 914.501.004.11.. The part numbers are still listed in the dealer price guide with list pricing at $7091.41 and $9284.75 |
1970 Neun vierzehn |
May 24 2006, 03:30 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,199 Joined: 16-March 06 From: cincinnati, ohio Member No.: 5,727 |
Maybe it's time for the factory to produce a few so dealers can have one or two on their "shelves". How fast would they be snapped up? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)
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Pat Garvey |
May 24 2006, 07:45 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
Maybe it's time for the factory to produce a few so dealers can have one or two on their "shelves". How fast would they be snapped up? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I, personally would pay dearly for one! I'd love to have a non-Vin'd 914 to whatever I want with. If I really needed a VIN, I know a guy down south(& most of you know him too) who has cut the VIN plates out of a bunch of 914's he's cut up for parts. Wouldn't it be great start with a frsh palate? Yep, find me one & I'm in - hang the price! Gimmee, gimmee! |
lapuwali |
May 24 2006, 08:00 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743 |
In the Brit car world, there's an outfit called British Motor Heritage that bought up the tooling for the MGB, the MG Midget, and the Mini bodyshells. They produce them in reasonable numbers, and pretty good prices. Last time I looked, a complete Mini bodyshell was around $7K. However, all of these cars were produced in far greater numbers than the 914, so there's likely to be more demand for replacement shells.
If Karmann were willing to give up the tooling, and a supply of steel could be obtained, I'm sure new shells could be produced. Given the relative complexity, I'd guess they'd be quite a bit more expensive than the Mini shells, which are very simple and very easy to manufacture. Wild guess is they'd be at least $15K apiece. Seeing as you can't even GIVE away a fairly rust-free bare tub, I'd wonder at the size of the market. |
John |
May 25 2006, 02:09 AM
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member? what's a member? Group: Members Posts: 3,393 Joined: 30-January 04 From: Evansville, IN (SIRPCA) Member No.: 1,615 Region Association: None |
You can GIVE me all the rust free tubs you can come up with!
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davep |
May 25 2006, 05:28 AM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,152 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
I don't know where the "fairly rust-free bare tubs" would come from. There are enough parts to go onto these tubs that there is no need to strip a good tub for the parts attached. Perhaps 20 years ago some of the tubs I stripped could have been repaired, but not today. Mostly what we find today are piles of rust, in a vaugely familiar shape, covering the remains of suspension and drive train.
Even so, a free tub in California would cost a lot to deliver to our 'neck of the woods'. I carefully considered Kelly's /6 tub for $500. To just get it home would have cost a week or 10 days of travel expenses. |
RON S. |
May 25 2006, 07:15 AM
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9140430841, FINALLY RUNNING Group: Members Posts: 1,212 Joined: 22-May 03 From: WALTERBORO,S.C. Member No.: 724 Region Association: South East States |
Reproduced bare tubs are getting alot more traction these days.
Several years ago,I thought it was kinda cool that you could buy a "Brand New" MGB tub for $3995.00 fron Victoria British. Then,along comes Dynacorn reproducing the '69 Camaro body,complete shell for $10,000.00. Now Dynacorn is gonna reproduce the '68 Mustang body. I'm not holding my breath,but it could happen if there is enough interest to justify the tooling and costs,just look at the 914 steel repo flares. Ron |
Hammy |
May 25 2006, 07:58 AM
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mr. Wonderful Group: Members Posts: 1,826 Joined: 20-October 04 From: Columbia, California Member No.: 2,978 Region Association: Northern California |
I've been thinking about this before, and I think it's possible.
There were a lot of 914's made, but think of how many are left today. |
Joe Bob |
May 25 2006, 08:02 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Maybe it's time for the factory to produce a few so dealers can have one or two on their "shelves". How fast would they be snapped up? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I, personally would pay dearly for one! I'd love to have a non-Vin'd 914 to whatever I want with. If I really needed a VIN, I know a guy down south(& most of you know him too) who has cut the VIN plates out of a bunch of 914's he's cut up for parts. Wouldn't it be great start with a frsh palate? Yep, find me one & I'm in - hang the price! Gimmee, gimmee! Too bad the swapping of VINs is as illegal as hell. Based on my experience as a licensed dealer....you would have to get a State assigned VIN #. Depending on the State you would have to comply with the in use smog laws unless there was an exemption. CA exempts 500 a year....I have one in my 356 Speedster clone. Carrol Shelby tired to resurrect some old Cobra frames that had previously assigned CA VIN # and sell them as true 65s....somehow he got away with it. He claimed that they were in a lost wharehouse that burned or some such crap....they went for 500K+..... |
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