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| Type 4 Unleashed |
 Jun 21 2006, 02:20 AM
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CREATIVE TYPE lV ENGINEERING  Group: Retired Members Posts: 787 Joined: 20-June 04 From: Aliso Viejo, ca Member No.: 2,231 Region Association: None  |
The first build, will be a 104.9 x 82 =2835cc
The crank is an DPR 2.0 jrl (1.967") I was going to to have it turned down 1.888" Honda jrls, and use the Lentz rods. Plans changed, I, am now going to use the SBC 327ci 5.7" rod. The rod mods will consist of rod caps off the 250 six cyl chevy rods, mated to the 327ci SBC rods. The big end width of the 6 cyl chevy rod is 1.030, the width of the 327 rod is .940", the width of the 2.0 rod is 1.011". I'll start by having the side of the 327 rod welded to match the width of the six cyl cap. I'll then have the mating surface's of the cap and the rods clearanced enought to re-size the rod from 2.125" to 2.086", which is the bore dia of the Dodge bearing mod, which works on the stock 2.0 ltr jrl (1.967"), same as the dodge. The rods will be notched on the beam end so the bolts can be flipped, the bolts will be 5/16 ARP 2000. And the rod will be re-tanged also for the dodge bearing. The case, |
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| Joe Ricard |
Jun 21 2006, 07:12 AM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
If you want to sell something do it in the classifieds.
Put some pricing info. if someone wants it they will contact you. I build my own engines also. I don't push them but if someone wants me to build one or just assemble it. they contact me. |
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| Aaron Cox |
Jun 21 2006, 07:43 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
Joe...
he isnt trying to fucking sell them! he is trying to tell us about the "new" engineering going into his motor. stuff that will benefit people BUILDING these big motors! gawd... wtf is wrong with everybody today? the "advertising on the sly" remark is a tongue and cheek jab at brad for his last charade on richards crank and rod posts |
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| URY914 |
Jun 21 2006, 08:04 AM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 121,116 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
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| DNHunt |
Jun 21 2006, 08:20 AM
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914 Wizard? No way. I got too much to learn. Group: Members Posts: 4,099 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Gig Harbor, WA Member No.: 598 |
I'm with Aaron on this one. I don't see any peddling going on. I do see some pretty obvious sarcasm which I think is well deserved. In fact, he should have thrown in a bunch of inflamatory smilies and a great big F#*k OFF.
He's got more guts than I have. I can't imagine his machinist bill on some of these builds. I see an attempt by Richard at something new in an area where there have not been many choices. Good on him Dave |
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| rhcb914 |
Jun 21 2006, 08:21 AM
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member Group: Members Posts: 358 Joined: 3-February 04 From: Boston, MA Member No.: 1,626 |
I actually like to read about Type 4 Unleashed's out of the box thinking when it comes to engine builds. I have read some of hist posts on shoptalkforums.com as V6914 and I find them pretty informative. Keep up the good work! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
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| gregrobbins |
Jun 21 2006, 08:22 AM
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Member: Team NARP Group: Members Posts: 1,515 Joined: 23-March 04 From: Arizona Member No.: 1,844 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(Type 4 Unleashed @ Jun 21 2006, 01:20 AM)  The first build, will be a 104.9 x 82 =2835cc The crank is an DPR 2.0 jrl (1.967") I was going to to have it turned down 1.888" Honda jrls, and use the Lentz rods. Plans changed, I, am now going to use the SBC 327ci 5.7" rod. The rod mods will consist of rod caps off the 250 six cyl chevy rods, mated to the 327ci SBC rods. The big end width of the 6 cyl chevy rod is 1.030, the width of the 327 rod is .940", the width of the 2.0 rod is 1.011". I'll start by having the side of the 327 rod welded to match the width of the six cyl cap. I'll then have the mating surface's of the cap and the rods clearanced enought to re-size the rod from 2.125" to 2.086", which is the bore dia of the Dodge bearing mod, which works on the stock 2.0 ltr jrl (1.967"), same as the dodge. The rods will be notched on the beam end so the bolts can be flipped, the bolts will be 5/16 ARP 2000. And the rod will be re-tanged also for the dodge bearing. The case, Never tryed to build a monster Type 4, how do you deal with the issues around cam clearance? There isn't a whole lot of room to work there. Now if those guys in Europe ever got the over head cam type 4 head on the market, .... |
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| Mueller |
Jun 21 2006, 08:40 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None 
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QUOTE(DNHunt @ Jun 21 2006, 07:20 AM) I'm with Aaron on this one. I don't see any peddling going on. I do see some pretty obvious sarcasm which I think is well deserved. In fact, he should have thrown in a bunch of inflamatory smilies and a great big F#*k OFF. He's got more guts than I have. I can't imagine his machinist bill on some of these builds. I see an attempt by Richard at something new in an area where there have not been many choices. Good on him Dave I totally agree with you Dave and Aaron...he's excited about what he is building.....let someone else spill the beans about thier 914 Type IV engine building experiance.....if Jake had posted about this build people would be kissing his @ss for more info and telling him how they'll be the 1st in line to buy it.... I have no idea what it takes to build a bigger motor and I too like his out of the box approach, hell, even if some of stuff has been done before, I didn't know about it and I'm sure others didn't. I'm sure there is something to be learned by him. Wouldn't if be nice if someone asks about building a big Type IV and offer another choice instead of the "standard" answer of "buy from Jake"?!?!?!? |
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| Joe Ricard |
Jun 21 2006, 09:34 AM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
Well, Build it test it post results. If you need a test mule let me know.
As far back as I can remember Never kissed Jake's ass. even during a job interview in his dyno shop. |
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| skline |
Jun 21 2006, 09:34 AM
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Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California |
Richard comes by all the time on his way home from the Port, yeah, we work at the same places sometimes. I get to hear all of these stories live while we sit around the garage talking. Richard has been to several events with the So Cal guys and is welcome anytime here. He has been very helpful with more than just Joe Buckles engine. I can assure you, he is not a Stromberg by any means. He even bought some parts from me and still has yet to pick them up and its been several months........Hint Hint. He has some great ideas and I consider him an asset to this forum.
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| URY914 |
Jun 21 2006, 10:05 AM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 121,116 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(URY914 @ Jun 21 2006, 06:04 AM) Let me attempt to clear up what was saying here. My comment was referring to his first post and what he was saying. It would have helped if he would have provided a little introduction on the intent of the engine build. He just sorta jumped into the nuts and bolts of it and sorta left us hanging on "The case," ending. The thread is titled "TWO NEW ENGINE BUILDS" and he only talks about one of them. It just wasn't clear to me as to where the thread was going. |
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| Chris Pincetich |
Jun 21 2006, 10:06 AM
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B-) Group: Members Posts: 2,082 Joined: 3-October 05 From: Point Reyes Station, CA Member No.: 4,907 Region Association: Northern California |
Type 4 - I'm trying to learn from your ideas! Sounds cool...but most of it went way over my head...learning so it's ALL GUD
How bout clearing up something - this is a type IV in a 2.0 longblock?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I know - duh! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) BTW - this board really SUCKS for advertising because you can count on mass spam from 100s of "tire kickers" and guaranteed that some "experts" will chime in on their bad day for some trash talk. Nothin personal on anyone...just a fact of life on almost all BBS...but having my on home business i also realize that all press is usually good press, even the bad, because these days it costs major $$$ to advertise in print, sponsorship, and other media. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| Aaron Cox |
Jun 21 2006, 10:25 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
thanks dave and mike... you guys cleared up what i was trying to say...
you would think this was a porcupine cage... with all the pricks in here |
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| Brad Roberts |
Jun 21 2006, 10:47 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Sorry Aaron.
I dont recall announcing ANY of my engine builds. I support people by answering their questions and making them think for themselves. |
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| URY914 |
Jun 21 2006, 11:00 AM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 121,116 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Aaron Cox @ Jun 21 2006, 08:25 AM) thanks dave and mike... you guys cleared up what i was trying to say... you would think this was a porcupine cage... with all the pricks in here Gee Aaron, after reading back through this thread I guess Joe and I are the pricks here. We were they only ones that didn't give Richard a big kiss for his post. Oh well... Paul |
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| Brad Roberts |
Jun 21 2006, 11:04 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Nope. I posted so you and Joe wouldnt feel bad (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif)
Joe, start posting shots of all your engine builds. Paul, it is time you started posting shots of your fiberglass work again. B |
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| URY914 |
Jun 21 2006, 11:30 AM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 121,116 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Jun 21 2006, 09:04 AM) Paul, it is time you started posting shots of your fiberglass work again. B OK, I do have some thing I've been working on. It's a f-glass Koolaid pitcher. Maybe I can make one for Aaron. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| Aaron Cox |
Jun 21 2006, 11:31 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
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| Type 4 Unleashed |
Jun 21 2006, 12:15 PM
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CREATIVE TYPE lV ENGINEERING Group: Retired Members Posts: 787 Joined: 20-June 04 From: Aliso Viejo, ca Member No.: 2,231 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Type 4 Unleashed @ Jun 21 2006, 01:20 AM) The first build, will be a 104.9 x 82 =2835cc The crank is an DPR 2.0 jrl (1.967") I was going to to have it turned down 1.888" Honda jrls, and use the Lentz rods. Plans changed, I, am now going to use the SBC 327ci 5.7" rod. The rod mods will consist of rod caps off the 250 six cyl chevy rods, mated to the 327ci SBC rods. The big end width of the 6 cyl chevy rod is 1.030, the width of the 327 rod is .940", the width of the 2.0 rod is 1.011". I'll start by having the side of the 327 rod welded to match the width of the six cyl cap. I'll then have the mating surface's of the cap and the rods clearanced enought to re-size the rod from 2.125" to 2.086", which is the bore dia of the Dodge bearing mod, which works on the stock 2.0 ltr jrl (1.967"), same as the dodge. The rods will be notched on the beam end so the bolts can be flipped, the bolts will be 5/16 ARP 2000. And the rod will be re-tanged also for the dodge bearing. The case, Sorry for leaving this post hanging, it was late and I had to get up early. Continued, more on the rods: The early chevy rods are pressed fit pins, they have no oiling holes, I'll be using used nascar casidium coated pins, I, won't be using pin bushings, I'll just have the pin holes honed to .0008" pin clearance. Because of no oiling holes, and I'am not going to drill any, for pin oiling, I'am going to file a V in the bottom and top of the pin bore, like the grove that VW recommends for the side of the big end of the 2.0 rods, which is used to squirt oil up to the piston crown for cooling. I, am also gona file the grove's in the big end, like VW recommends, not only to cool the piston crown, but to provide oiling to the pin, so I'll have pin oiling coming from the oil rings, and I'll have oil come from the squirters on the big end of the rod, plus the splash from the rotating assembly, I think it will be more than enough oiling for the pins. I, will run .012" rod side play, I will have a little extra jrl to bearing clearance, using the Dodge bearings, and I want it keeped filled with oil, because thats what the rod bearing rides on, oil not the rod jrl. And with the V mode done to the big end of the rod, the tighter side clearance, it will provide more pressure to squirt to the crown and pin. I'll add more tonight with pics. |
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| rick 918-S |
Jun 21 2006, 01:59 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,504 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region 
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I (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) back yard trash talking engine building stuff! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rocking nana.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) Really gets ya thinking... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) I could do without the side bar drama boy stuff though... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif) Whiners could try to use the PM system to resolve their differences... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif) But hey, this IS the garage... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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